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Multiple reports confirm Apple iPhones still way behind Android in camera quality of results
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Arlen G. Holder
Sep 9, 2019, 1:53:29 PM9/9/19
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FACTS
As we've factually shown in the past, even the most horrifically expensive
Apple iPhones are still falling way behind Android in camera quality of
results where independent test results show, as usual, Apple camera quality
of results at the BOTTOM of the top ten (and sinking fast).
o CXO Mark Mobile Phone Camera QOR detailed test summary
<https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/>
113 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G (one)
112 Huawei P30 Pro (two)
112 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G (three)
111 Honor 20 Pro (four)
111 OnePlus 7 Pro (five)
109 Huawei Mate 20 Pro (six)
109 Huawei P20 Pro (seven)
109 Samsung Galaxy S10+ (eight)
107 Xiaomi Mi 9 (nine)
105 Apple iPhone XS Max (ten) <=== iPhones are at the bottom as usual
103 HTC U12+
103 Samsung Galaxy Note 9
103 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3
102 Huawei P20
101 Apple iPhone XR
101 Google Pixel 3
100 Google Pixel 3a
etc.
Independently, the Verge opined that iPhone camera QOR is sinking fast
where, the fact show that Apple never makes the best of anything - but
their marketing advertises imaginary functionally - which is what people
actually believe in (people who can't comprehend facts, anyway).
o Will Apple justify the iPhone 11's camera bump?
o Smartphone cameras are plateauing
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/9/20853477/apple-event-2019-iphone-11-camera-bump-wide-angle-telephoto-dslr-rumors-expectations>
"The rumors point to a three-lens system on the ´pro¡-level iPhones: a
regular, a telephoto, and a wide-angle. This system has been de rigueur for
Android phones for roughly the past year. Android phones have also leapt
ahead of Apple when it comes to low-light photography and computational
photography."
o The iPhone's camera used to be a selling point
o Now it's a settling point
"The iPhone camera has fallen behind, and itÿs now something users tend
to accept rather than anticipate."
As we've factually shown in the past, even the most horrifically expensive
Apple iPhones are still falling way behind Android in camera quality of
results where independent test results show, as usual, Apple camera quality
of results at the BOTTOM of the top ten (and sinking fast).
o CXO Mark Mobile Phone Camera QOR detailed test summary
<https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/>
113 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G (one)
112 Huawei P30 Pro (two)
112 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G (three)
111 Honor 20 Pro (four)
111 OnePlus 7 Pro (five)
109 Huawei Mate 20 Pro (six)
109 Huawei P20 Pro (seven)
109 Samsung Galaxy S10+ (eight)
107 Xiaomi Mi 9 (nine)
105 Apple iPhone XS Max (ten) <=== iPhones are at the bottom as usual
103 HTC U12+
103 Samsung Galaxy Note 9
103 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3
102 Huawei P20
101 Apple iPhone XR
101 Google Pixel 3
100 Google Pixel 3a
etc.
Independently, the Verge opined that iPhone camera QOR is sinking fast
where, the fact show that Apple never makes the best of anything - but
their marketing advertises imaginary functionally - which is what people
actually believe in (people who can't comprehend facts, anyway).
o Will Apple justify the iPhone 11's camera bump?
o Smartphone cameras are plateauing
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/9/20853477/apple-event-2019-iphone-11-camera-bump-wide-angle-telephoto-dslr-rumors-expectations>
"The rumors point to a three-lens system on the ´pro¡-level iPhones: a
regular, a telephoto, and a wide-angle. This system has been de rigueur for
Android phones for roughly the past year. Android phones have also leapt
ahead of Apple when it comes to low-light photography and computational
photography."
o The iPhone's camera used to be a selling point
o Now it's a settling point
"The iPhone camera has fallen behind, and itÿs now something users tend
to accept rather than anticipate."
Arlen Holder
Sep 12, 2019, 10:56:21 AM9/12/19
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Here's a related article with logical assessment, published 18 hours ago:
o These days, Apple is content to follow trends, not set them
<https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/11/apple-iphone-camera-once-great-now-late/>
"The company is letting others take risks and innovate in its place,
particularly when it comes to photography..."
All verbatim quotes...
"Take, for example, the new Deep Fusion computational photography
feature that Phil Schiller described as "way cool." It's an
image-processing system that taps the A13 Bionic's neural engine and uses
machine learning. According to Apple, this system will "do pixel-by-pixel
processing of photos, optimizing for texture, details and noise in every
part of the photo." Deep Fusion will be available later this fall, so we
don't know yet how effective it might be. Apple did show sample shots of
its Night Mode tool that will improve low-light photography, and those
results looked impressive."
"That latter feature is the most obvious example of Apple's attempts
to outdo its competitors. If you recall, Google's Night Sight launched last
November and made it possible to take relatively clear photos in near-total
darkness. And Google wasn't even the first to try this: It was just the
most effective. Huawei, LG and Samsung have all offered their own take on
the feature in previous flagship phones to varying degrees of success.
Apple's Night mode promises to do pretty much the same, though how well it
works remains to be seen."
"Nowadays, though, Apple is seen as lagging behind Samsung, Huawei and
even LG in picking up on trends, not to mention setting them. On the
hardware front, Apple belatedly jumped on the ultrawide-angle trend this
year. It added cameras with a 120-degree field of view to all three new
iPhones. LG was one of the earliest to test out this concept when it added
a super wide lens to the G5 in 2016."
"But in simply adding a third, ultrawide sensor, Apple isn't doing
anything that other phones aren't."
o These days, Apple is content to follow trends, not set them
<https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/11/apple-iphone-camera-once-great-now-late/>
"The company is letting others take risks and innovate in its place,
particularly when it comes to photography..."
All verbatim quotes...
"Take, for example, the new Deep Fusion computational photography
feature that Phil Schiller described as "way cool." It's an
image-processing system that taps the A13 Bionic's neural engine and uses
machine learning. According to Apple, this system will "do pixel-by-pixel
processing of photos, optimizing for texture, details and noise in every
part of the photo." Deep Fusion will be available later this fall, so we
don't know yet how effective it might be. Apple did show sample shots of
its Night Mode tool that will improve low-light photography, and those
results looked impressive."
"That latter feature is the most obvious example of Apple's attempts
to outdo its competitors. If you recall, Google's Night Sight launched last
November and made it possible to take relatively clear photos in near-total
darkness. And Google wasn't even the first to try this: It was just the
most effective. Huawei, LG and Samsung have all offered their own take on
the feature in previous flagship phones to varying degrees of success.
Apple's Night mode promises to do pretty much the same, though how well it
works remains to be seen."
"Nowadays, though, Apple is seen as lagging behind Samsung, Huawei and
even LG in picking up on trends, not to mention setting them. On the
hardware front, Apple belatedly jumped on the ultrawide-angle trend this
year. It added cameras with a 120-degree field of view to all three new
iPhones. LG was one of the earliest to test out this concept when it added
a super wide lens to the G5 in 2016."
"But in simply adding a third, ultrawide sensor, Apple isn't doing
anything that other phones aren't."
Arlen Holder
Sep 14, 2019, 2:35:40 PM9/14/19
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Adults do things Apologists don't seem to ever be able to do
o Adults comprehend basic facts about Apple camera output, and,
o Adults form logical assessments of those basic camera output facts.
And
o Adults easily find reputable cites backing up everything they claim.
To wit:
o TheVerge: Apple is playing catch-up with the iPhone 11 camera
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/9/11/20860442/apple-iphone-11-camera-analysis-competition>
"The two biggest additions to the iPhone 11 camera system, the ultrawide
lens and night mode, are commonplace on Android phones."
"Schiller pointed out that between the ultrawide and telephoto cameras,
the 11 Pro has a zoom range of 4x, which is true. But it still doesn¢t have
any further reach than the XS, and it can¢t match phones like Oppo¢s Reno
10x Zoom, which has about 8x optical zoom range with its ultrawide and 5x
telephoto lenses."
"Night mode, meanwhile, is a feature that exposed Apple¢s lack of
competitiveness in low-light photography when Google brought it to Pixel
phones a year ago, and the situation was compounded by Huawei¢s even more
impressive take on the idea. In truth, the iPhone XS is worse than
basically all of its competitors in low light even when they¢re not using a
night mode"
"Apple simply had to add a night mode this year to even remain in the
conversation."
o Adults comprehend basic facts about Apple camera output, and,
o Adults form logical assessments of those basic camera output facts.
And
o Adults easily find reputable cites backing up everything they claim.
To wit:
o TheVerge: Apple is playing catch-up with the iPhone 11 camera
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/9/11/20860442/apple-iphone-11-camera-analysis-competition>
"The two biggest additions to the iPhone 11 camera system, the ultrawide
lens and night mode, are commonplace on Android phones."
"Schiller pointed out that between the ultrawide and telephoto cameras,
the 11 Pro has a zoom range of 4x, which is true. But it still doesn¢t have
any further reach than the XS, and it can¢t match phones like Oppo¢s Reno
10x Zoom, which has about 8x optical zoom range with its ultrawide and 5x
telephoto lenses."
"Night mode, meanwhile, is a feature that exposed Apple¢s lack of
competitiveness in low-light photography when Google brought it to Pixel
phones a year ago, and the situation was compounded by Huawei¢s even more
impressive take on the idea. In truth, the iPhone XS is worse than
basically all of its competitors in low light even when they¢re not using a
night mode"
"Apple simply had to add a night mode this year to even remain in the
conversation."
nospam
Sep 14, 2019, 2:43:45 PM9/14/19
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In article <qljbtq$n3s$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
> Adults do things I don't seem to ever be able to do
ftfy
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
> Adults do things I don't seem to ever be able to do
ftfy
Arlen Holder
Sep 15, 2019, 1:53:03 AM9/15/19
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:43:45 -0400, nospam wrote:
> ftfy
Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
Here's a reliable cite from the NY Times that bolsters the adult view:
"With its focus on camera tech, Apple is playing catch-up with Google."
"Google¢s Pixel smartphones focus on camera innovations including Night
Sight, a popular feature for shooting photos in low light, which led
critics to conclude that the search giant had used its prowess in
artificial intelligence to surpass Apple in camera tech."
o NY Times: Apple¢s iPhone 11 Has a New Feature: A Lower Price
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/technology/iphone-11.html>
Apologists are like children - they can never find reliable cites which
back up their claims because the claims of apologists - are imaginary.
> ftfy
Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
Here's a reliable cite from the NY Times that bolsters the adult view:
"With its focus on camera tech, Apple is playing catch-up with Google."
"Google¢s Pixel smartphones focus on camera innovations including Night
Sight, a popular feature for shooting photos in low light, which led
critics to conclude that the search giant had used its prowess in
artificial intelligence to surpass Apple in camera tech."
o NY Times: Apple¢s iPhone 11 Has a New Feature: A Lower Price
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/technology/iphone-11.html>
Apologists are like children - they can never find reliable cites which
back up their claims because the claims of apologists - are imaginary.
Arlen Holder
Sep 15, 2019, 1:34:45 PM9/15/19
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 05:53:03 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
FACT
> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
o The iPhone 11 series' camera is playing catchup to Android.
It's easy for adults to cite reliable assessments that back them up
o iPhone 11: Apple has lost its magic
<https://news-techno.com/2019/09/13/iphone-11-apple-has-lost-its-magic-commentary/>
"The fact that the new generation of iPhone 11 is NOT innovative can be
seen in many places."
FACT:
o The iPhone 11 series' camera is playing catchup to Android.
"Apple has installed in the two largest models for the first time a
triple camera, where for other manufacturers including three lenses with
several photo options has long been part of their daily business."
"For example, Huawei or Samsung are the computer giants in terms of
camera technology on smartphones, & in some cases, far ahead."
FACT:
o The iPhone 11 series' camera is playing catchup to Android.
Chris
Sep 16, 2019, 3:42:50 AM9/16/19
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Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:43:45 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> ftfy
>
> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
Ah, good ol' confirmation bias. Only select evidence that supports your
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:43:45 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> ftfy
>
> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
position.
Arlen Holder
Sep 16, 2019, 9:59:55 AM9/16/19
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:42:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
>> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
>
> Ah, good ol' confirmation bias. Only select evidence that supports your
> position.
Hi Chris,
>> Since adults form logical assessments, it's EASY for adults to find views
>> on the net from reliable sources that back up the views of those adults.
>
> Ah, good ol' confirmation bias. Only select evidence that supports your
> position.
All you apologists are exactly the same when it comes to FACTS.
You literally _hate_ the fact that I provide cites to all my assessments.
o OK... let's see where YOUR imaginary belief system comes from Chris.
Find a _single_ cite ... supporting your imaginary belief system - Chris:
o Name just one
--
HINT: Apologists always fail this simplest of tests of imaginary beliefs.
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