Re: Two factor authentication

[nospam]

In article <pnv16c$ts$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie <M...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can someone tell me how to turn off the stupid Two-Factor Authentication
> off after the recent update?

there's nothing stupid about two factor and it's not new either.

[Elden]

On 2018-09-20, Meanie <M...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone tell me how to turn off the stupid Two-Factor Authentication
> off after the recent update?

Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.

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[nospam]

> Are you saying you don't know how to turn it off?

no. i'm saying using two factor is a really good idea.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915>
Can I turn off two-factor authentication after I¹ve turned it on?

If you already use two-factor authentication, you can no longer turn
it off. Certain features in the latest versions of iOS and macOS
require this extra level of security, which is designed to protect
your information. If you recently updated your account, however, you
can unenroll for a period of two weeks. Just open your enrollment
confirmation email and click the link to return to your previous
security settings. Keep in mind, this makes your account less secure
and means that you can't use features that require a higher level of
security.

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:

> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.

Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
lost iPhone.

To me, this is the "show stopper" in terms of enabling it. If this issue
were solved, I would want 2FA enabled.

To the OP:

goto appleid.apple.com
login
select Security, Edit.

You'll see an option to "Turn Off Two-Factor-Autnhentication"

Note: when you turned it on, you security questions were zapped, so
after turning it off, you have to setup your security questions again.

[nospam]

In article <aaQoD.90543$wV2....@fx01.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> lost iPhone.

absolutely wrong.

[Lewis]

In message <aaQoD.90543$wV2....@fx01.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:

>> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.

> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> lost iPhone.

This is 100% bullshit and Lies. It is, in every fucking possible way,
WRONG.

> To me, this is the "show stopper" in terms of enabling it. If this issue
> were solved, I would want 2FA enabled.

To me, this is another example of you making up shit. In this case, you
are making up DANGEROUS LIES that some poor sucker will believe and be
FUCKED because you are a SHIT WHO LIES.

--
Words have meanings, but not here.

[Alan Browne]

So, if someone is traveling with only their iPhone and they lose it and
want to find it: how do they go about logging onto their Apple Account
on an unknown computer and manage the TFA challenge?

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[Alan Browne]

On 2018-09-20 19:58, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2018-09-20, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
>>
>>> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
>>
>> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
>> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
>> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
>> lost iPhone.
>

> Hmmm. It's never stopped me from using Find My Phone. Wonder why?
> It's almost as if you've never actually used it...

[nospam]

In article <tbidnVPcj_nSqDnG...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne

<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> >> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> >> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> >> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> >> lost iPhone.
> >
> > absolutely wrong.
>
> So, if someone is traveling with only their iPhone and they lose it and
> want to find it: how do they go about logging onto their Apple Account
> on an unknown computer and manage the TFA challenge?

find my iphone is the exception and does not require a 2nd factor, for
exactly this situation.

[David Empson]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
>
> > Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
>
> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> lost iPhone.

Wrong. Even with 2FA enabled, you can use Find my iPhone from the iCloud
web site (or the app on any iOS device) without needing to authenticate
from one of your devices.

> To me, this is the "show stopper" in terms of enabling it. If this issue
> were solved, I would want 2FA enabled.

You have obviously never tried it and guessed wrong.

> To the OP:
>
> goto appleid.apple.com
> login
> select Security, Edit.
>
> You'll see an option to "Turn Off Two-Factor-Autnhentication"

Not if you have had this feature enabled for a while. 2FA is now
required for some features. See the article linked earlier by nospam.

<https://support.apple.com/HT204915>

> Note: when you turned it on, you security questions were zapped, so
> after turning it off, you have to setup your security questions again.

That is correct, _if_ you are still able to turn off 2FA.

--
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dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Ant]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
> >
> > > Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
> >
> > Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> > your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> > login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> > lost iPhone.

> Wrong. Even with 2FA enabled, you can use Find my iPhone from the iCloud
> web site (or the app on any iOS device) without needing to authenticate
> from one of your devices.

Yep. I tried it. Try it and you will see how it works!
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[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-20 15:17, nospam wrote:

I have asked Apple and here. Never got an answer.

So pay tell, if I enable 2FA on my account, am on business triop with
only my phone and lose the phone. How can I get on some random laptop.
get to icloud and login to enable "find my iPhone" ?

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-20 19:58, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> Hmmm. It's never stopped me from using Find My Phone. Wonder why?
> It's almost as if you've never actually used it...

I never enabled 2FA because I could never find an anwer from Apple opr
here about using a random computer to get to "find my iphone" on the
web when I have no other authenticated devices at my disposal (eg:
traveling with only my phone).

If you do have authoritative answer, by all means, please let me know
because I have searched for it last year and found no authoritative
answer. The only data I found was that it would not be possible because
Apple would want to authorize that new random computer via your existing
devices and if you are not next to those devices, you coudln't
authenticate that new computer.

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-20 20:22, nospam wrote:

> find my iphone is the exception and does not require a 2nd factor, for
> exactly this situation.

Thanks for the pointer. I had always though one went to www.icloud.com
to get to find my phone. So what is the url for "find my iphone" where
one can login from any computer ?

[nospam]

In article <z%_oD.103109$3L2....@fx44.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> >> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
> >> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
> >> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
> >> lost iPhone.
> >
> > absolutely wrong.
>
> I have asked Apple and here. Never got an answer.

bullshit. if you asked here, someone would have answered. apple also
explains how it works, but you never looked.

> So pay tell, if I enable 2FA on my account, am on business triop with
> only my phone and lose the phone. How can I get on some random laptop.
> get to icloud and login to enable "find my iPhone" ?

log in with your apple id and password. 2fa is not used to find a
device.

you could easily test this yourself.

[nospam]

In article <_8%oD.141851$RN2.1...@fx40.iad>, JF Mezei

<https://www.icloud.com/>

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-20 22:13, Ant wrote:

> Yep. I tried it. Try it and you will see how it works!

I could not try iot in the past because Apple told me that once I
enabled 2FA I couldn't roll it back, and this newsgroup, when I asked
same question, blew me off.

This is the first time that I hear that "find my iphone" is treated
differently. Once I have verified with Apple this is the case, then I
can try it.

[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:47:02 -0400, JF Mezei
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
>
>> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
>
>Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
>your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
>login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
>lost iPhone.
>
>To me, this is the "show stopper" in terms of enabling it. If this issue
>were solved, I would want 2FA enabled.

That's why I make sure I have access to my two-factor codes from
multiple devices. If one device gets lost or stolen I can still obtain
a code from somewhere else to log into the various services I have
two-factor authentication enabled on.

[David Empson]

I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
verification code. This works even if someone else has your device and
rejects the 2FA request.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9h0sx0pzffmmdw/Find%20my%20iPhone.png?dl=0

You can also use the following link to go straight to Find my iPhone
without the web site waiting for verification (it still sends the 2FA
request to your devices).

https://www.icloud.com/#find

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 21.09.18 um 07:20 schrieb JF Mezei:

My wife and I use 2FA for years now and we have absolutely no problem
using find my iPhone. It works on all Macs and on all iPads.


--
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[Lewis]

In message <tbidnVLcj_l9qznG...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2018-09-20 19:58, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2018-09-20, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
>>>
>>> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
>>> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
>>> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
>>> lost iPhone.
>>
>> Hmmm. It's never stopped me from using Find My Phone. Wonder why?
>> It's almost as if you've never actually used it...

> So, if someone is traveling with only their iPhone and they lose it and
> want to find it: how do they go about logging onto their Apple Account
> on an unknown computer and manage the TFA challenge?

Boy, that is a mystery. I wonder how anyone could solve that? Why, it
would take the genius brain of McGruff, the Crime Dog to figure this out.

Or, you know, a couple of seconds of effort.

(hint: www,iCloud.com)

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[Lewis]

In message <%6%oD.141850$RN2.1...@fx40.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-20 19:58, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. It's never stopped me from using Find My Phone. Wonder why?
>> It's almost as if you've never actually used it...

> I never enabled 2FA because I could never find an anwer from Apple opr
> here about using a random computer to get to "find my iphone" on the
> web when I have no other authenticated devices at my disposal (eg:
> traveling with only my phone).

You are, of course, lying,. This has been discussed here several times.
In threads you were supposedly reading.

> If you do have authoritative answer, by all means, please let me know

Honestly? I don't give a fuck if you have 2FA on your phone. So no, I'm
not wasting my time telling you AGAIN that you've wrong, because you can
only seem to retain lies, misinformation, and FUD.

> because I have searched for it last year and found no authoritative

No you haven't. If you had actually searched you wouldn't be spreading
lies.

> answer. The only data I found was that it would not be possible because
> Apple would want to authorize that new random computer via your existing
> devices and if you are not next to those devices, you coudln't
> authenticate that new computer.

And there you are making shit up again. You did not find any such thing,
because it is a fucking lie.


--
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[Alan Browne]

On 2018-09-20 20:22, nospam wrote:

I'll try that on a "strange" computer some time and see how that goes.

[Alan Browne]

On 2018-09-21 08:39, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2018-09-20 20:22, nospam wrote:
>> In article <tbidnVPcj_nSqDnG...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you
>>>>> lose
>>>>> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
>>>>> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
>>>>> lost iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> absolutely wrong.
>>>
>>> So, if someone is traveling with only their iPhone and they lose it and
>>> want to find it:  how do they go about logging onto their Apple Account
>>> on an unknown computer and manage the TFA challenge?
>>
>> find my iphone is the exception and does not require a 2nd factor, for
>> exactly this situation.
>
> I'll try that on a "strange" computer some time and see how that goes.

I see it now on my own computer, but have to clear the browser "cookies
and other date" first. Otherwise the login and password are accepted
and the "find my iPhone" etc. options are not shown. That is the normal
case and why I never noticed it before.

[Alan Browne]

On 2018-09-21 07:44, Lewis wrote:
> In message <tbidnVLcj_l9qznG...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-09-20 19:58, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-20, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-09-19 23:12, Elden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since when is two-factor authentication stupid? Get with the times.
>>>>
>>>> Two factor authentication makes "Find my iPhone" unusable when you lose
>>>> your phone during trip since you can't login to just any computer and
>>>> login to icloud from that cokputer to locate, lock or remote wipe your
>>>> lost iPhone.
>>>
>>> Hmmm. It's never stopped me from using Find My Phone. Wonder why?
>>> It's almost as if you've never actually used it...
>
>> So, if someone is traveling with only their iPhone and they lose it and
>> want to find it: how do they go about logging onto their Apple Account
>> on an unknown computer and manage the TFA challenge?
>
> Boy, that is a mystery. I wonder how anyone could solve that? Why, it
> would take the genius brain of McGruff, the Crime Dog to figure this out.
>
> Or, you know, a couple of seconds of effort.
>
> (hint: www,iCloud.com)

Drop the snide, moron. As I just replied to nospam (who is at least
helpful):

"I see it now on my own computer, but have to clear the browser "cookies
and other date" first. Otherwise the login and password are accepted
and the "find my iPhone" etc. options are not shown. That is the normal
case and why I never noticed it before."

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-21 04:45, David Empson wrote:

> I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
> icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
> has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
> verification code. This works even if someone else has your device and
> rejects the 2FA request.

Thanks. This is new as last year when I inquired, was not told about this.

"Find My Phone" was the show stopper for em and if this is solved, then
I could set it up. (You had already explained how to make oit work on my
Snow Leopard server when I had asked about this last year).

[nospam]

In article <rt8pD.86126$cL2...@fx43.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
> > icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
> > has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
> > verification code. This works even if someone else has your device and
> > rejects the 2FA request.
>
> Thanks. This is new as last year when I inquired, was not told about this.

it's not and you were.

[Alan Browne]

On 2018-09-21 04:45, David Empson wrote:

> I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
> icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
> has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
> verification code.

Which is slightly misleading if testing from home or work: If your
browser has already been claimed as Trusted by you, then you would not
see the Find my iPhone option (absent clearing browsing data in the
browser options). The login/password are accepted and no TFA is
presented, nor the Find iPhone option. Such was my case until I cleared
browsing data.

[Lewis]

In message <rt8pD.86126$cL2...@fx43.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-21 04:45, David Empson wrote:

>> I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
>> icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
>> has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
>> verification code. This works even if someone else has your device and
>> rejects the 2FA request.

> Thanks. This is new as last year when I inquired, was not told about this.

It is not new.

--
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the wrong side of."

Mal: "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the
wrong one."

[B...@onramp.net]

re: JF Mezei's latest post on TFA.
On 21 Sep 2018 20:49:52 GMT, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

<Clippage>
>
>You guys need to learn: JF Mezei almost *ever* actually tries the things
>he talks about. He's more full of hot air then anyone I've ever
>encountered.

What about Arden Holder (or his current nym)?

One thing I've noticed about Mezei is that:
He can't spell or type well and doesn't have or use a spell checker.
:-)

Oh, about Holder. He has stated that I'm and Apple apologist and
consistently wrong in my posts. I have never offered explanations or
technical suggestions here. I've PLONKED each of his aliases though
and stated why.

That alone places me on his "shit list" and I'm delighted to be in
their company.

[David Empson]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-09-21 04:45, David Empson wrote:
>
> > I tried it again to confirm before my previous post. When you sign in to
> > icloud.com, it invokes 2FA and prompts for the verification code, but
> > has a button to go to Find my iPhone without needing to enter the
> > verification code. This works even if someone else has your device and
> > rejects the 2FA request.
>
> Thanks. This is new as last year when I inquired, was not told about this.

It is not new. It has been possible to use Find my iPhone without
authenticating for way more than one year, probably since 2FA was
introduced.

I don't recall when I first found out about it, but it was certainly far
enough back that I wasn't worried about enabling 2FA when I did that
about two years ago for my main Apple ID.

I haven't found any documentation from Apple explicitly stating that
Find my iPhone can be used with 2FA enabled. Probably because it is
obvious that not being able to do so would defeat the purpose if you
only have one device and you need to find it.

Also...

Here is an article from August 2016 pointing out that Apple NOT
requiring 2FA on Find my iPhone is a security risk, because your devices
are vulnerable to being found, locked out or erased by someone else
getting hold of your Apple ID and its password, even if they don't have
physical access to any of your devices:

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-two-factor-authentification,news-23097.html

Use a strong and unique password for your Apple ID.

Just in case it isn't clear: this applies (and the security risk exists)
even if you DON'T enable 2FA.

> "Find My Phone" was the show stopper for em and if this is solved, then
> I could set it up. (You had already explained how to make oit work on my
> Snow Leopard server when I had asked about this last year).

Hunting through my previous posts I assume you are referring to the
mechanism whereby older OS versions which don't support 2FA attempting
to log in to services using your Apple ID (e.g. App Store) trigger a 2FA
request on your devices running a newer OS, then you need to append the
2FA code to the Apple ID password to complete the login on the old OS. I
had a discussion about you with that in January 2017.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-21 20:25, David Empson wrote:

> It is not new. It has been possible to use Find my iPhone without
> authenticating for way more than one year, probably since 2FA was
> introduced.

I asked Apple about this, via telephone at 1-800-MYAPPLE and via twitter
last (first half) of 2017 and was told there was no such option, and
login into icloud on any computer would trigger 3FA.

I asked here and as was NOT told about the secret option to still login
without 2FA to get to find my phone.

Apple at the time was pushing 2FA hard, and I had to consider the
situations where I travel with my iphone only (such as long bike trips)
and NOT being told about the possibility to access "find my iPhone" was
THE deciding factor for NOT turning on 2FA last year.

> I haven't found any documentation from Apple explicitly stating that
> Find my iPhone can be used with 2FA enabled.

Which means that it can be disabled at any time if Apple has not
documented it.

> Hunting through my previous posts I assume you are referring to the
> mechanism whereby older OS versions which don't support 2FA attempting

Yes because that discussion was about my asking about the implications
of going 2FA, including for my Snow Leopard Server and then for when I
travel with only iPhone.

I got satisfactory answer for the server (as you pointed out), but not
for when travelling with iphone only. Theregore, I did not enable 2FA.

[nospam]

In article <L_xpD.45587$9O2....@fx03.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > It is not new. It has been possible to use Find my iPhone without
> > authenticating for way more than one year, probably since 2FA was
> > introduced.
>
> I asked Apple about this, via telephone at 1-800-MYAPPLE and via twitter
> last (first half) of 2017 and was told there was no such option, and
> login into icloud on any computer would trigger 3FA.

don't call that.

> I asked here and as was NOT told about the secret option to still login
> without 2FA to get to find my phone.

it's not a secret.

> > I haven't found any documentation from Apple explicitly stating that
> > Find my iPhone can be used with 2FA enabled.
>
> Which means that it can be disabled at any time if Apple has not
> documented it.

nonsense.

[Lewis]

In message <L_xpD.45587$9O2....@fx03.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-21 20:25, David Empson wrote:

>> It is not new. It has been possible to use Find my iPhone without
>> authenticating for way more than one year, probably since 2FA was
>> introduced.

> I asked Apple about this, via telephone at 1-800-MYAPPLE and via twitter
> last (first half) of 2017 and was told there was no such option, and
> login into icloud on any computer would trigger 3FA.

Bullshit.

> I asked here and as was NOT told about the secret option to still login
> without 2FA to get to find my phone.

Bullshit. I found references to that 2FA mechanism dating back to
December 2000 *SIXTEEN*. It took mere seconds to find.

<https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2016/12/the-ugly-side-of-two-factor-authentication/>
"While two-factor authentication is designed to protect your Apple
account against unauthorized login attempts, there is one exception. You
can still use Find My iPhone service https://www.icloud.com/#find to
locate or erase your iPhone or put it to Lost Mode without using a
single-time password. In other words, you can still log in to this
service by using your Apple ID and password, and nothing else."

> Apple at the time was pushing 2FA hard, and I had to consider the
> situations where I travel with my iphone only (such as long bike trips)
> and NOT being told about the possibility to access "find my iPhone" was
> THE deciding factor for NOT turning on 2FA last year.

You're a moron who refuses to read, listen, or understand.

> Which means that it can be disabled at any time if Apple has not
> documented it.

And it can be disabled at any time even if it was documented. Apple could
sell off everything tomorrow and shutter the company.

> I got satisfactory answer for the server (as you pointed out), but not
> for when travelling with iphone only. Theregore, I did not enable 2FA.

Your loss. No one cares. Just stop lying about how it works and possibly
fucking over someone else who fails their Int check and believes you.

--
"Is that a star?" "Nah, that's Ted Danson."

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-22 20:31, Lewis wrote:

> Your loss. No one cares. Just stop lying about how it works and possibly
> fucking over someone else who fails their Int check and believes you.

When I original;ly asked last year, if the answer was so obvious, why
didn't you asnwer it instead of insulting me as you always do?

If the answer was so obvious, why didn't Apple give it to me when I
asked specifically?

Pray tell, if neither this group nor Apple were willing to confirm that
Find My Phone could still work with 2FA on an unknown device, how was
how supposed to react except asssume it wouldn't because I was told
clearly that that using your Apple ID on an unknown computer would
trigger 2FA ?

[Lewis]

In message <7gCpD.69197$vJ1....@fx05.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-22 20:31, Lewis wrote:

>> Your loss. No one cares. Just stop lying about how it works and possibly
>> fucking over someone else who fails their Int check and believes you.

> When I original;ly asked last year, if the answer was so obvious, why
> didn't you asnwer it instead of insulting me as you always do?

I believe your question was answered. But the fact is, you failed to do
even the slightest research on your own. No one has a DUTY to answer
your questions.

But for you then to go off and make shit up that is nothing but
misinformation and lies is something else.

> If the answer was so obvious, why didn't Apple give it to me when I
> asked specifically?

I have no idea. But front-level CSR's don't know everything, regardless
of what company they work for.

> Pray tell, if neither this group nor Apple were willing to confirm that
> Find My Phone could still work with 2FA on an unknown device, how was
> how supposed to react except asssume it wouldn't because I was told
> clearly that that using your Apple ID on an unknown computer would
> trigger 2FA ?

If that is the question you asked, they again, you're a moron. Using
your AppleID on an unknown computer DOES trigger 2FA. No one ever said it
didn't.

Either way, you stating your "assumption" as fact, as you always do, is
irresponsible.

--
"But you read a lot of books, I'm thinking. Hard to have faith, ain't
it, when you've read too many books?"

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-23 08:25, Lewis wrote:

> If that is the question you asked, they again, you're a moron. Using
> your AppleID on an unknown computer DOES trigger 2FA. No one ever said it
> didn't.

So, here you say using myt AppleID on an unknown computer will trigger
2FA. Right? I read correctly right?

So why the fuck do you think that if this is what I was told last year,
I would have concluded that with 2FA enabled, you could not do "find my
iPhone" from an unknown computer?

Until this week, I was never told there was an exception for "find my
iphone"..

[Lewis]

In message <RnQpD.95436$wV2....@fx01.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-23 08:25, Lewis wrote:

>> If that is the question you asked, they again, you're a moron. Using
>> your AppleID on an unknown computer DOES trigger 2FA. No one ever said it
>> didn't.

> So, here you say using myt AppleID on an unknown computer will trigger
> 2FA. Right? I read correctly right?

That is correct and NO ONE has ever said differently.

> So why the fuck do you think that if this is what I was told last year,
> I would have concluded that with 2FA enabled, you could not do "find my
> iPhone" from an unknown computer?

Because you, as is so often the case, didn't ask the question you
actually wanted an answer to (Can I use fund my phone if it is my only
2FA device) and instead asked a very different question and then MADE
SHIT UP.

--
Just give us a kiss to celebrate here, today.

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-25 08:36, Lewis wrote:

>> So, here you say using myt AppleID on an unknown computer will trigger
>> 2FA. Right? I read correctly right?
>
> That is correct and NO ONE has ever said differently.

So which is which? What about those who now say that there is an option
to login without 2FA to access Find my IPhone ?

[Lewis]

In message <SKyqD.205424$Vl2....@fx46.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-25 08:36, Lewis wrote:

>>> So, here you say using myt AppleID on an unknown computer will trigger
>>> 2FA. Right? I read correctly right?
>>
>> That is correct and NO ONE has ever said differently.

> So which is which?

See? There is no "which is which". You fail to understand because you
CANNOT GET PAST YOUR MADE-UP ASSUMPTIONS.

> What about those who now say

There is no "now" about it. I posted you a link from fucjing 2016.

> that there is an option to login without 2FA to access Find my IPhone
> ?

Yes. That is correct.


--
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cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are
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enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror.

[nospam]

In article <SKyqD.205424$Vl2....@fx46.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> What about those who now say that there is an option
> to login without 2FA to access Find my IPhone ?

what about them? they're correct.

try it yourself.

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-25 19:00, Lewis wrote:

>> that there is an option to login without 2FA to access Find my IPhone
>> ?
>
> Yes. That is correct.

Yet, 2 posts ago, you confirmed that there was no way to login without 2FA.

[Rod Speed]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote

Doesn’t matter what he 'confirms', Apple has said very
explicitly that 2FA isnt required for Find my Iphone.

[Lewis]

No, I did not.

You are INCAPABLE of reading for comprehension when it challenges your
assumptions. This thread is a hilarious example of just how blinkered
and obtuse you are. You are conflating tow different things and deciding
they are the same, so you are confused because you think I am making two
statements that are contradictory. And despite having it explained to you
SEVERAL times, you still can't wrap your head around it.

Q: Does trying to login to my AppleId on an unknown computer trigger 2FA?

A: Yes it does.

Q: Can I use Find my iPhone from an unknown computer even if the phone I
am looking or is my only 2FA device handy?

A: Yes you can.

At this point, your brain explodes.

--
NOBODY LIKES SUNBURN SLAPPERS Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F23

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-26 06:38, Lewis wrote:

>> Yet, 2 posts ago, you confirmed that there was no way to login without 2FA.
>
> No, I did not.

The question was asked in the context of Find My Iphone being needed on
*any* computer after having lost phone during travel.

> Q: Does trying to login to my AppleId on an unknown computer trigger 2FA?
>
> A: Yes it does.

Had your answer been "Yes it does, unless you click on the "Find my
iPhone" at which point 2FA is bypassed", then you would have answered
clearly and responded to my question instead of purposefully making your
answer obtuse.

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-26 06:38, Lewis wrote:

> Q: Does trying to login to my AppleId on an unknown computer trigger 2FA?
>
> A: Yes it does.

You did this after it was made quite clear this was about Find My
iPhone, and after Mr Empson pointed out that there was in fact an option
to bypass 2FA if you wanted Find My IPhone. In essence you contradicted
the much more credible Mr Empson and hence why I asked you to confirm
which you did confirm with that message.

[B...@onramp.net]

Holy shit!!! I hope you really understand now that Find My iPhone is
not subject to 2FA. Drop it.

[Lewis]

That would be inaccurate. The 2FA is triggered regardless of what you
do.


--
Spontaneity has its time and place.

[Lewis]

In message <XYOqD.158482$RN2....@fx40.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-26 06:38, Lewis wrote:

>> Q: Does trying to login to my AppleId on an unknown computer trigger 2FA?
>>
>> A: Yes it does.

> You did this after it was made quite clear this was about Find My
> iPhone, and after Mr Empson pointed out that there was in fact an option
> to bypass 2FA if you wanted Find My IPhone.

But the 2FA is still triggered. Go ahead, Try it.

> In essence you contradicted the much more credible Mr Empson and hence

No, I did not. You cannot parse simple words, which is YOUR problem.

--
"Don't be nice. It's Creepy."

[JF Mezei]

Question:

When accessing www.icloud.com,

I get http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/icloud.png


There is no option to login only for "find my iPhone". Is this what
others get ? I tried on Firefox and then on Safari which wouldn't have
accessed this before and both had same output.


Note: I asked @AppleSupport on twitter to confirm ability to bypass 2FA
to get to "find my iPhone" and they have not responded. Usually they
respond within an hour.

[nospam]

In article <nGZqD.207808$Vl2....@fx46.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> When accessing www.icloud.com,
>
> I get http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/icloud.png
>
> There is no option to login only for "find my iPhone". Is this what
> others get ? I tried on Firefox and then on Safari which wouldn't have
> accessed this before and both had same output.

log in.

without 2fa, you'll see something like this:
<https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/12/Byu_D9-CcA
ATc6--730x356.png>

for the locked icons, you will need 2fa.

[Rod Speed]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote

> Question:

> When accessing www.icloud.com,

> I get http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/icloud.png

> There is no option to login only for "find my iPhone".
> Is this what others get ?

Yes.

> I tried on Firefox and then on Safari which wouldn't
> have accessed this before and both had same output.

> Note: I asked @AppleSupport on twitter to confirm ability
> to bypass 2FA to get to "find my iPhone" and they have
> not responded. Usually they respond within an hour.

Why didn’t you try that other url you were given ?

[David Empson]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Question:
>
> When accessing www.icloud.com,
>
> I get http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/icloud.png
>
>
> There is no option to login only for "find my iPhone". Is this what
> others get ? I tried on Firefox and then on Safari which wouldn't have
> accessed this before and both had same output.

You need to log in with your Apple ID and password before you can access
Find my iPhone.

If you don't have 2FA enabled then you get the entire iCloud feature set
including Find my iPhone.

If you have 2FA enabled, the next screen is the one I posted a link to
almost a week ago, which asks you to type in the 2FA code that was sent
to your devices, but lets you access Find my iPhone without entering the
code.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-27 04:42, David Empson wrote:

> You need to log in with your Apple ID and password before you can access
> Find my iPhone.

> If you have 2FA enabled, the next screen is the one I posted a link to
> almost a week ago, which asks you to type in the 2FA code that was sent
> to your devices, but lets you access Find my iPhone without entering the
> code.

I had interpreted that screen as being the login screen. The screen
which nospam posted is quite different, a very GUI interface with all
icons except Find my Phone veing locked. (as opposed to your screen
having clickable test to skip to find my iphone)

Thanks for clafification.


Had Apple not stated that in some cases, cobverting to 2FA was a one way
process that couldn't be undone, it would be much easier to test this
wioth confidence that I could roll back if it didn't work.

[David Empson]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-09-27 04:42, David Empson wrote:
>
> > You need to log in with your Apple ID and password before you can access
> > Find my iPhone.
>
> > If you have 2FA enabled, the next screen is the one I posted a link to
> > almost a week ago, which asks you to type in the 2FA code that was sent
> > to your devices, but lets you access Find my iPhone without entering the
> > code.
>
> I had interpreted that screen as being the login screen.

"A message with a verification code has been sent to your devices.
Please enter the code to continue."

iCloud already needed to know who I was at that point (note also it said
"David" at the top) so it knew where to send the verification codes,
therefore I had already logged in with my Apple ID and password.

> The screen which nospam posted is quite different, a very GUI interface
> with all icons except Find my Phone veing locked.

That is the screen you get after the one I showed, if you click the
button to get quick access to Find My iPhone rather than completing the
2FA process by entering the verification code.

It is the normal iCloud web site "app switcher" but with most services
locked out because you bypassed 2FA.

> (as opposed to your screen
> having clickable test to skip to find my iphone)
>
> Thanks for clafification.
>
>
> Had Apple not stated that in some cases, cobverting to 2FA was a one way
> process that couldn't be undone, it would be much easier to test this
> wioth confidence that I could roll back if it didn't work.

Yes and yes. Read the article again, particularly the last section.

https://support.apple.com/HT204915

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-09-27 17:18, David Empson wrote:

>> I had interpreted that screen as being the login screen.
>
> "A message with a verification code has been sent to your devices.
> Please enter the code to continue."

mea culpa, I had seen it as a login screen. Didn't think about the
intervening 2FA page.

> Yes and yes. Read the article again, particularly the last section.
>
> https://support.apple.com/HT204915

Thanks. BTW, that page redirects to
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204915

and that version makes no version of ability to bypass 2FA to get to
Find My iPhone.


Going to the bottom, I do find the paragraph you have refered to:

"If you Recently updated your account", is there a definition of
"recently" ? 24 hours ? 1 weeks ? 1 month ? 1 year ?


And "unenroll for a period of two weeks", does that mean that 2 weeks
after disabling 2FA, it kicks back in without my taking action?


In the past, the text read something like older customer can enroll and
unenroll, but new customers can't unenroll from 2FA, and that at one
point, older customer won't be able to unenroll.

[JF Mezei]

BTW, one reason I am hesitant on this isn't that I don't beleive you
guys, but rather that Apple has different policies in different countries.

The fact that Apple still hasn't answered on the issue of accessing Find
My IPhone without 2FA is one reason I am hesitant to take it for granted
that it would work for me. And the text that states that I might be able
to disable 2FA for only 2 weeks (which basically means you can't
permanently disable it) means that I have to make sure before I enable it.

[Malcolm]

On 2018-09-28 01:18:13 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> And the text that states that I might be able
> to disable 2FA for only 2 weeks (which basically means you can't
> permanently disable it)

It means you have two weeks to decide if you want to disable it. If
you do disable 2FA it won't re-enable by itself.

[Lewis]

In message <nGZqD.207808$Vl2....@fx46.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Question:

> When accessing www.icloud.com,

> I get http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/icloud.png


> There is no option to login only for "find my iPhone". Is this what
> others get ? I tried on Firefox and then on Safari which wouldn't have
> accessed this before and both had same output.

You have to login, as you have been told multiple times.

You just can't listen.

--
Don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. You
choices are half chance; so are everybody else's.

[Lewis]

In message <A1frD.181053$4S3.1...@fx47.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-27 17:18, David Empson wrote:

>>> I had interpreted that screen as being the login screen.
>>
>> "A message with a verification code has been sent to your devices.
>> Please enter the code to continue."

> mea culpa, I had seen it as a login screen. Didn't think about the
> intervening 2FA page.

But this was told to you MULTIPLE TIMES.

>> Yes and yes. Read the article again, particularly the last section.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/HT204915

> Thanks. BTW, that page redirects to
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204915

Because you are in Canada. I mean, seriously, can you not pay the
SLIGHTEST attention? You know what en-ca means, surely?

> "If you Recently updated your account", is there a definition of
> "recently" ? 24 hours ? 1 weeks ? 1 month ? 1 year ?

If you finish reading the damn sentence instead of clipping out of
context it tells you RIGHT THERE.

"If you recently updated your account, however, you can unenroll for a
period of two weeks."

> And "unenroll for a period of two weeks", does that mean that 2 weeks
> after disabling 2FA, it kicks back in without my taking action?

That is not what the sentence says by any stretch of the imagination.
Not at all, in anyway. Are you sure you're a native speaker? Fluent?
Passed more than two years of English?

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Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids
built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper to
build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow one, there
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