Another ACORN scandal – in a funeral home?
JP
WND Exclusive PHOTONETDAILY
Another ACORN scandal � in a funeral home?
Group operating out of small building donated $33 million to Obama campaign
Posted: May 14, 2009
11:30 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
� 2009 WorldNetDaily
Fox News' Glenn Beck may have uncovered another twist to a series of ACORN's alleged scandals when
he revealed on his show that the group's main affiliate is operating out of a former New Orleans
funeral home and bringing in millions of taxpayer dollars.
The Service Employees International Union's New Orleans headquarters location that also houses ACORN
is supposed to be home to more than 270 related corporations and non-profits.
"Does that former funeral home look big enough to you to house 270 organizations?" Beck asked. "The
owner of the building is a company whose partners are � oh my gosh! � Wade and Dale Rathke."
Wade Rathke, a New Orleans resident, is founder of ACORN and also founder and chief organizer of
Service Employees International Union, which donated $33 million to President Obama's campaign last
year.The online OpenSecrets.org estimates Obama's entire campaign spending at about $640 million.
According to the New York Times, he failed to notify police in 2000 when he learned that his brother
Dale, ACORN's chief financial officer, had embezzled $948,600 from Citizens Consulting Inc., the
ACORN affiliate that handles its financial affairs.
Beck said Wade and Dale are listed as president or partner in dozens of companies based in the New
Orleans building.
"[T]he big question remains unanswered: Millions of dollars flow into that building every year,"
Beck said. "Where does it go?"
He said ACORN received as much as $10 million in federal grants last year. But it could get up to $8
billion more after the House passed Rep. Barney Frank's amendment allowing organizations indicted
for voter fraud or related crimes to receive taxpayer dollars today.
Rest of article:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98145
I know it is WND and a lot of you won't read it because it is, but nobody else seems to care what
ACORN is doing except for FOX news and WND. Don't you think that with this much of the taxpayers'
money going there someone would look into it?
I know a lot of congress could care less.
From the article:
"Just as word of the Nevada charges was surfacing, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John
Conyers, D-Mich., released a May 4 statement read on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight." It said: "Based on
my review of the information regarding the complaints against ACORN, I have concluded that a hearing
on this matter appears unwarranted at this time." "
ACORN has been indicted in 17 states and this congressman can't see where a hearing is needed? I
smell rats and payoffs here.
JP
marcodbeast
> WND Exclusive PHOTONETDAILY
> Group operating out of small building donated $33 million to Obama
> campaign
> Posted: May 14, 2009
> 11:30 pm Eastern
>
> By Chelsea Schilling
> � 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
> Fox News' Glenn Beck may have uncovered another twist to a series of
> ACORN's alleged scandals when he revealed on his show that the
> group's main affiliate is operating out of a former New Orleans
> funeral home and bringing in millions of taxpayer dollars.
Where is the scandal?
>
> The Service Employees International Union's New Orleans headquarters
> location that also houses ACORN is supposed to be home to more than
> 270 related corporations and non-profits.
Sounds routine.
>
> "Does that former funeral home look big enough to you to house 270
> organizations?" Beck asked. "The owner of the building is a company
> whose partners are - oh my gosh! - Wade and Dale Rathke."
> Wade Rathke, a New Orleans resident, is founder of ACORN and also
> founder and chief organizer of Service Employees International Union,
> which donated $33 million to President Obama's campaign last year.The
> online OpenSecrets.org estimates Obama's entire campaign spending at
> about $640 million.
>
> According to the New York Times, he failed to notify police in 2000
> when he learned that his brother Dale, ACORN's chief financial
> officer, had embezzled $948,600 from Citizens Consulting Inc., the
> ACORN affiliate that handles its financial affairs.
>
> Beck said Wade and Dale are listed as president or partner in dozens
> of companies based in the New Orleans building.
>
> "[T]he big question remains unanswered: Millions of dollars flow into
> that building every year," Beck said. "Where does it go?"
If Beck were a journalist instead of a rumormonger, he'd find out.
>
>
>
> He said ACORN received as much as $10 million in federal grants last
> year. But it could get up to $8 billion more after the House passed
> Rep. Barney Frank's amendment allowing organizations indicted for
> voter fraud or related crimes to receive taxpayer dollars today.
>
> Rest of article:
> http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98145
>
> I know it is WND and a lot of you won't read it because it is, but
> nobody else seems to care what ACORN is doing except for FOX news and
> WND. Don't you think that with this much of the taxpayers' money
> going there someone would look into it?
>
> I know a lot of congress could care less.
>
> From the article:
>
> "Just as word of the Nevada charges was surfacing, House Judiciary
> Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., released a May 4
> statement read on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight." It said: "Based on my
> review of the information regarding the complaints against ACORN, I
> have concluded that a hearing on this matter appears unwarranted at
> this time." "
>
> ACORN has been indicted in 17 states and this congressman can't see
> where a hearing is needed? I smell rats and payoffs here.
>
> JP
ACORN was indicted, or the fraudulent campaign workers they turned in? So
far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN has been indicted" that
doesn't actually mean a small number of workers who violated ACORN
instructions.
marcodbeast
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pb8mvf
"A worker for a grassroots organization was so eager to fulfill a voter
registration quota during the presidential campaign that she filed a
fraudulent application in the name of a county elections employee, but got
the Social Security number wrong, prosecutors said Thursday.
....Scott Levenson, a spokesman for ACORN's national office, emphasized that
ACORN informed county elections officials of suspected irregularities after
reviews turned up discrepancies in voter applications."
Thank you for verifying my hunch. Individual workers, turned in by ACORN.
marcodbeast
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 22:39:59 -0500, Ray <R...@yaooo.net> wrote:
>
>>> ACORN was indicted, or the fraudulent campaign workers they turned
>>> in? So far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN has been
>>> indicted" that doesn't actually mean a small number of workers who
>>> violated ACORN instructions.
>
I'm thinking I simply asked a question.
That
> fact has already been posted here. Please see;
> Message-ID: <news:l8hb05padav90u98j...@4ax.com> in the
> thread "Acorn's record (was: Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000
> replay?)" posted at 11:04 am on 05/09/2009.
>
> That post was in a response to your post in another thread. Please
> see;
> Message-ID: <news:gskv4...@news4.newsguy.com> in the thread
> "Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000 replay?" posted at 10:18 am on
> 04/21/2009.
>
> The site offered up was;
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>
That's one, yep - now you only need 16 more states. I see you have
snipped the original claim, but it was for 17 states.
And speaking of Nevada (lol):
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=204037&forum_id=91
(cg lies snipped)
marcodbeast
>> in? So far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN has been
>> indicted" that doesn't actually mean a small number of workers who
>> violated ACORN instructions.
>
> fact has already been posted here. Please see;
> Message-ID: <news:l8hb05padav90u98j...@4ax.com> in the
> thread "Acorn's record (was: Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000
> replay?)" posted at 11:04 am on 05/09/2009.
>
> That post was in a response to your post in another thread. Please
> see;
> Message-ID: <news:gskv4...@news4.newsguy.com> in the thread
> "Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000 replay?" posted at 10:18 am on
> 04/21/2009.
>
> The site offered up was;
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>
> has been indicted and you either failed to thoroughly read that
> article or, for some unknown reason, didn't not see that it clearly
> indicated ACORN was indicted in Nevada for "submitting thousands of
> fraudulent voter registration forms".
>
> Realizing that some consider the WSJ to be tabloid from the right,
> here is a report published in what others consider a tabloid from the
> left;
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?ref=us
>
> The headline in this newspaper is "Acorn Charged in Voter Registration
> Fraud Case in Nevada". Further, just in case, for some unknown
> reason, you miss the portion of the report indicating Acorn has been
> indicted - here is a quote for the NYT article;
>
> "The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
> Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
> creating an incentive program called "blackjack" because $5 was paid
> for signing more than 21 prospective voters."
>
> The key phrase being "The indictment includes 13 counts each against
> Acorn..."
>
> There is no one so blind as those who will not see. This is a very
> common malady found in True Believers. But don't worry since facts
> can begin the cure for that.
>
> I expect you will either fail to reply to this post or come up with
> some spin to excuse the misunderstood Acorn. Likely a spin I'll be
> able to discover at some Acorn apologist site.
>
> But you could render me speechless when it comes to responding to your
> post (if you post) by simply admitting Acorn has been indicted.
Repeat lie post. See my answer in the actual thread.
marcodbeast
> indictment to prove you were overlooking facts already supplied to
> you. I'll not be looking into all the many Acorn related indictments
> to prove you are a denier. That has already been proven.
>
> I'd suggest you take that up with Ray. The best response would be to
> show that all of the other Acorn related indictments are not against
> Acorn.
>
> Until you do that many here will believe the old saying, "Where there
> is smoke, there is fire." Your desire to ignore facts already posted
> to you will do nothing to improve that approach.
>
> But your active investigation resulting in reputable reports of
> Acorn's non-involvement would go a long ways towards proving your
> theory. Good luck.
>
> BTW, thanks for fessing up to the Nevada exception to your general
> statement.
I made no statement to which it was an exception. That's because I could
not rule out there being an indictment or two. That's the difference
between us - you load your stuff up with "facts" you could not possibly
know, let alone prove - and the above is a perfect example.
marcodbeast
> board. There has certainly been proof of that supplied to you.
Since I am pointing up Ray's faulty example here, I'll leave that in the
appropriate place in the thread, like normal people do.
marcodbeast
> which of your posts are you referencing? The one that said Acorn has
> not been indicted? That would be;
> Message-ID: news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com
You are lying. No such thing was said in that post, and you cannot show
that it was.
>
> Or are you making reference to some other post?
>
> Perhaps you have misunderstood my response to you. It was specific to
> Nevada and did not include the indictments Ray provided. Nor was
> there a reference to the 17 indictment Ray referenced.
>
> The NY Times is very clear in stating Acorn was indicted so I am
> having some difficulty when even a liberal publication is reporting an
> Acorn indictment and you say there is a liar in the wood pile.
>
> But just to be clear, are you saying Acorn has not been indicted for
> fraudulent voter registration in Nevada? Are you saying Acorn has not
> been indicted for any similar infraction in any other state? Are you
> saying the Nevada indictment is based on lies?
>
> What say you?
Sorry, if you are too damned stupid to read a thread, there's not much I
can do for you.
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:01:31 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>
> That was clearly a case of your overlooking widely reported facts.
Nope, just a fruitless Google search. Another lie on your part.
>
> When those facts are pointed out you "cleverly" indicate you never
> ruled them out which was never the point to begin with. The point was
> you ignored or skipped over facts already posted to you.
Another lie. The point is that the WND story is fraudulent. The rest of
this is just a sorry attempt at changing the subject on your part.
>
> Then you write "you load your stuff up with "facts" you could not
> possibly know, let alone prove."
>
> Now there is a classic statement.
..of fact. Continue lying. ;)
marcodbeast
> taken to court on each and every infraction for which it is being
> indicted.
Another CG lie. Surprise! lol
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:08:25 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> It is not sufficient to be a denier. Please be specific. Exactly
>>> which of your posts are you referencing? The one that said Acorn
>>> has not been indicted? That would be;
>>> Message-ID: news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com
>>
>> You are lying. No such thing was said in that post, and you cannot
>> show that it was.
>
>
> You indicated you could not find where Acorn had been indicted.
That's better.
>
> Since that had already been posted to you I re-informed you of the
> fact that Acorn had been indicted.
>
> Where is the lie?
The one that said Acorn
>>> has not been indicted? That would be;
>>> Message-ID: news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or are you making reference to some other post?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you have misunderstood my response to you. It was specific
>>> to Nevada and did not include the indictments Ray provided. Nor was
>>> there a reference to the 17 indictment Ray referenced.
>>>
>>> The NY Times is very clear in stating Acorn was indicted so I am
>>> having some difficulty when even a liberal publication is reporting
>>> an Acorn indictment and you say there is a liar in the wood pile.
>>>
>>> But just to be clear, are you saying Acorn has not been indicted for
>>> fraudulent voter registration in Nevada? Are you saying Acorn has
>>> not been indicted for any similar infraction in any other state?
>>> Are you saying the Nevada indictment is based on lies?
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>
>> Sorry, if you are too damned stupid to read a thread, there's not
>> much I can do for you.
>
> Oh, now your are resorting to profanity. Next comes name calling and
> then I win. Ooooops, you already have called me a name. Not that
> winning is such a big deal. It would be much better to just have you
> say your searching was half-hearted, not followed up with any thorough
> research and that some of the indictments mentioned by Ray could be
> against Acorn for all that you know.
In other words, you want me to lie. lol
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:17:20 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> First, you said you couldn't find where Acorn had been indicted.
>>>
>>> That was clearly a case of your overlooking widely reported facts.
>>
>> Nope, just a fruitless Google search. Another lie on your part.
>
> seem to be saying you used.
>
>>
>>>
>>> When those facts are pointed out you "cleverly" indicate you never
>>> ruled them out which was never the point to begin with. The point
>>> was you ignored or skipped over facts already posted to you.
>>
>> Another lie. The point is that the WND story is fraudulent. The
>> rest of this is just a sorry attempt at changing the subject on your
>> part.
>
> the WMD lies issue was a moot point. The price was being paid due to
> a finding of guilt in the news media regardless of the accuracy of the
> claims of lies being told.
Another lie - this is the first time you've mentioned it.
marcodbeast
> when you indicated none of the indictments were against Acorn
I never indicated any such thing - another lie.
when
> clearly some of the were, e.g., the Nevada indictments.
I certainly was uninformed about the Nevada indictments.
>
> I continue to be mystified by your claims of lies being told. That
> seems to be a continuing topic for you. Those who do not fully agree
> with you are liars? It sure is starting to seem that is the case
> since you certainly have not singled me out for that liable.
Lies you have told in this thread:
> Go back and take a look at your statement. It only takes one Acorn
> indictment to prove you were overlooking facts already supplied to
> you. I'll not be looking into all the many Acorn related indictments
> to prove you are a denier. That has already been proven.
(not finding a news story does not prove I am a denier.)
Your desire to ignore facts already posted
> to you will do nothing to improve that approach.
(no such desire is in evidence.)
> BTW, thanks for fessing up to the Nevada exception to your general
> statement.
(I made no such general statement.)
> If you understood what I wrote you would know that I said the truth of
> the WMD lies issue was a moot point. The price was being paid due to
> a finding of guilt in the news media regardless of the accuracy of the
> claims of lies being told.
(none of this ever mentioned previously.)
> You are nit-picking. Everyone knows Acorn is corrupt and needs to be
> taken to court on each and every infraction for which it is being
> indicted.
(everyone knows no such thing, because it is a lie.)
The one that said Acorn has
> not been indicted? That would be;
> Message-ID: news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com
(no such statement ever made.)
>>>that some of the indictments mentioned by
>>> Ray could be against Acorn for all that you know.
>>
>> In other words, you want me to lie. lol
>
> No, that is not so
(Article specifically said nothing against Acorn yet)
I simply want you to admit you were uninformed
> when you indicated none of the indictments were against Acorn
(no such statement ever made.)
Hope this helps.
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 12:44:07 -0700, �cg�
> <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> No, that is not so. I simply want you to admit you were uninformed
>> clearly some of the were, e.g., the Nevada indictments.
>
> should have written;
>
> No, that is not so. I simply want you to admit you were uninformed
> Acorn when clearly some of them were, e.g., the Nevada indictments.
Sure, I've never claimed otherwise.
marcodbeast
> mentioned it, though not in this thread.
If it wasn't in this thread, it can't be what you're talking about.
Your reference to WMD caused
> me to believe you were referencing the following post;
> Message-ID: <news:anc215papb3qbb1jo...@4ax.com>
>
> You are the one who brought it up in this thread as far as I can tell.
OK, I'll bite. Where?
Amused
news:gusba...@news2.newsguy.com...
Funded by Democratic operatives, ACORN operatives were instructed to obtain
voter registrations any way they could. They were paid based on results.
Many resorted to fraud. It wasn't a case of EVERY registration was invalid,
or that every single ACORN operative engaged in fraud, it was a case of the
some/many were obviously forged, and in some cases that was thousands of
frequent registrations. But, the defective controls exercised by the
national organization was so widespread that it calls into question every
registration drive.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/ Note
that this is a list of the convicted...the second page was allegations.....
Argue if you must, but the ACORN reputation is so besmirched, that no one
with any integrity wants anything to do with them. It'd be like joining the
Mafia and then claiming you are an angel.
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:03:32 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>wrote:
>
>You are nit-picking. Everyone knows Acorn is corrupt and needs to be
>taken to court on each and every infraction for which it is being
>indicted.
Just my 2�, cg, but.....
Based on my readings, almost all of the charges are actually against
bad voter registrations, and it is ACORN who brings these issues to
light whenever fake names and addresses are reviewed by ACORN.
As for the Nevada charges, may I suggest you actually read what ACORN
has to say?
http://www.acorn.org/fileadmin/Vote/5_4_09_ACORN_Update_5.pdf
Go ahead, read it in full, and then get back to me.
I'm particularly curious what you may have to say about this:
"..... Seven months after executing a carefully staged raid on the Las
Vegas ACORN office - a publicity stunt purporting to gather evidence
of "voter fraud" in ACORN's 2008 voter registration drive - Nevada's
attorney general and secretary of state today announced that they were
filing a complaint against ACORN and two voter registration managers.
Specifically, the complaint alleges that ACORN implemented a
"corporate mandated quota system," and that bonuses were paid for
exceeding this quota, in violation of a Nevada statute that prohibits
payment based on the total number of registrations.
"What the attorney general and secretary of state did NOT announce
were any indictments against any of the 44 individual canvassers ACORN
identified, as early as April 2008, as having submitted fraudulent
applications to their supervisors. If Nevada officials were truly
interested in protecting the integrity of the registration process
they would cooperate with ACORN in seeking prosecution against these
individuals. Instead, after seven months, the state of Nevada has
chosen to divert attention from their failure and attempt to justify
their attacks against ACORN with this ridiculous complaint...."
--
Ditty
--
"After scolding one's cat, one looks into its face
and is seized by the ugly suspicion that it understood
every word. And has filed it for reference."
~ Charlotte Gray
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:16:57 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>
>>
>>
>> Your reference to WMD caused
>>> me to believe you were referencing the following post;
>>> Message-ID: <news:anc215papb3qbb1jo...@4ax.com>
>>>
>>> You are the one who brought it up in this thread as far as I can
>>> tell.
>>
>> OK, I'll bite. Where?
>
>
> If I'm missing something please let me know - seriously. If I've
> screwed up I'll not hesitate to apologize.
It sounds like you may have 'WMD' (completely different subject) and 'WND'
(source site for the original crap post) mixed up. It's hard to tell what's
actually going on because for some unknown reason you are bringing in
material from other threads that was never mentioned here and is unrelated
to the topic.
marcodbeast
Sorry, republican k00ksite. And serial-liar author, operator of another
republican k00ksite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pajamas_Media
http://thinkingmeat.net/2009/01/30/jim-hoft-still-a-goddamn-fucking-liar/
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:37 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>> �cg� wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:03:32 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> turned in? So far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN
>>>>>>>> has been indicted" that doesn't actually mean a small number of
>>>>>>>> workers who violated ACORN instructions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/pb8mvf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A worker for a grassroots organization was so eager to fulfill a
>>>>>> voter registration quota during the presidential campaign that
>>>>>> she filed a fraudulent application in the name of a county
>>>>>> elections employee, but got the Social Security number wrong,
>>>>>> prosecutors said Thursday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....Scott Levenson, a spokesman for ACORN's national office,
>>>>>> emphasized that ACORN informed county elections officials of
>>>>>> suspected irregularities after reviews turned up discrepancies in
>>>>>> voter applications."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for verifying my hunch. Individual workers, turned in
>>>>>> by ACORN.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be great if you acknowledged that is not the case across
>>>>> the board. There has certainly been proof of that supplied to
>>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Since I am pointing up Ray's faulty example here, I'll leave that
>>>> in the appropriate place in the thread, like normal people do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are nit-picking. Everyone knows Acorn is corrupt and needs to
>>> be taken to court on each and every infraction for which it is being
>>> indicted.
>>
>>
> Look who is talking. LMAO
I see Ray the serial liar thinks he has the gravitas to comment. ROFL
marcodbeast
> is trying to pedal Acorn crap & defend P-BO at all cost. Its not
> working. <grin>
...says the serial liar. lol
You ever find those other 16 states that actually indicted Acorn, as your
pathetic lie article claimed?
No, and you won't, but you will keep lying about it. lol
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:08:25 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>> �cg� wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 12:34:02 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> �cg� wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:18:16 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ACORN was indicted, or the fraudulent campaign workers they
>>>>>> turned in? So far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN has
>>>>>> been indicted" that doesn't actually mean a small number of
>>>>>> workers who violated ACORN instructions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Message-ID: <news:l8hb05padav90u98j...@4ax.com> in
>>>>> the thread "Acorn's record (was: Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000
>>>>> replay?)" posted at 11:04 am on 05/09/2009.
>>>>>
>>>>> That post was in a response to your post in another thread.
>>>>> Please see;
>>>>> Message-ID: <news:gskv4...@news4.newsguy.com> in the thread
>>>>> "Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000 replay?" posted at 10:18 am on
>>>>> 04/21/2009.
>>>>>
>>>>> The site offered up was;
>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>>>>>
>>>>> Acorn has been indicted and you either failed to thoroughly read
>>>>> that article or, for some unknown reason, didn't not see that it
>>>>> clearly indicated ACORN was indicted in Nevada for "submitting
>>>>> thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms".
>>>>>
>>>>> Realizing that some consider the WSJ to be tabloid from the right,
>>>>> here is a report published in what others consider a tabloid from
>>>>> the left;
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?ref=us
>>>>>
>>>>> The headline in this newspaper is "Acorn Charged in Voter
>>>>> Registration Fraud Case in Nevada". Further, just in case, for
>>>>> some unknown reason, you miss the portion of the report indicating
>>>>> Acorn has been indicted - here is a quote for the NYT article;
>>>>>
>>>>> "The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its
>>>>> former Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is
>>>>> accused of creating an incentive program called "blackjack"
>>>>> because $5 was paid for signing more than 21 prospective voters."
>>>>>
>>>>> The key phrase being "The indictment includes 13 counts each
>>>>> against Acorn..."
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no one so blind as those who will not see. This is a
>>>>> very common malady found in True Believers. But don't worry
>>>>> since facts can begin the cure for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect you will either fail to reply to this post or come up
>>>>> with some spin to excuse the misunderstood Acorn. Likely a spin
>>>>> I'll be able to discover at some Acorn apologist site.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you could render me speechless when it comes to responding to
>>>>> your post (if you post) by simply admitting Acorn has been
>>>>> indicted.
>>>>
>>>> Repeat lie post. See my answer in the actual thread.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is not sufficient to be a denier. Please be specific. Exactly
>>> which of your posts are you referencing? The one that said Acorn
>>> has not been indicted? That would be;
>>> Message-ID: news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com
>>
>> You are lying. No such thing was said in that post, and you cannot
>> show that it was.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps you have misunderstood my response to you. It was specific
>>> to Nevada and did not include the indictments Ray provided. Nor was
>>> there a reference to the 17 indictment Ray referenced.
>>>
>>> The NY Times is very clear in stating Acorn was indicted so I am
>>> having some difficulty when even a liberal publication is reporting
>>> an Acorn indictment and you say there is a liar in the wood pile.
>>>
>>> But just to be clear, are you saying Acorn has not been indicted for
>>> fraudulent voter registration in Nevada? Are you saying Acorn has
>>> not been indicted for any similar infraction in any other state?
>>> Are you saying the Nevada indictment is based on lies?
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>
>> Sorry, if you are too damned stupid to read a thread, there's not
>> much I can do for you.
>
marcodbeast
>>
>> Perhaps you have misunderstood my response to you. It was specific
>> to Nevada and did not include the indictments Ray provided. Nor was
>> there a reference to the 17 indictment Ray referenced.
>>
>> The NY Times is very clear in stating Acorn was indicted so I am
>> having some difficulty when even a liberal publication is reporting
>> an Acorn indictment and you say there is a liar in the wood pile.
>>
>> But just to be clear, are you saying Acorn has not been indicted for
>> fraudulent voter registration in Nevada? Are you saying Acorn has
>> not been indicted for any similar infraction in any other state?
>> Are you saying the Nevada indictment is based on lies?
>>
>> What say you?
>
> to him. I stopped for the most part.
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>It isn't unusual for a defendant to tell a good story though I don't
>particularly buy into the setting performance standard portion of
>their argument. But it is their's to make and it looks like that is
>what they will be doing in a Nevada court.
>
>Defendants also routinely toss others under the bus. In this case
>that would be Acorn chucking its employees under that bus. At least,
>that is what it looks like to me.
If an employee handed in a list of voter registrations for fictional
people, I'd throw him under the bus too, in that he would not work for
me again and I'd notify the Registrar of Voters that these fictional
registrants were just that, fictional. That is the upshot of what
happened. You might want to google Schlozman in that regard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Schlozman
"In the summer of 2006, ACORN "paid workers $8 an hour to sign up new
voters in poor neighborhoods around the country. Later, ACORN's Kansas
City chapter discovered that several workers filled out registration
forms fraudulently instead of finding real people to sign up. ACORN
fired the workers
and alerted law enforcement."******
"Just five days before the 2006 election, Schlozman announced the
indictments of four of the former ACORN workers, who all ultimately
pleaded guilty to the voter registration charges. The election
featured an extremely close Senate race between the incumbent Jim
Talent and eventual winner Claire McCaskill. Former U.S. Attorneys
Todd Graves[30] and David Iglesias,[31] expressed surprise at the
indictments, claiming that they appeared to violate longstanding
Department of Justice policy to avoid overtly politically-related
prosecutions during an election. Joseph D. Rich, a 35-year veteran of
the Department of Justice and chief of its voting section from 1999 to
2005, wrote a Los Angeles Times op-ed criticizing the prosecutions as
politically motivated.[32]"
Schlozman testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on June 5,
2007. Responding to concerns about a possible political motivation for
pushing forward with prosecution immediately before the 2006 election,
Schlozman stated that the department's public integrity officials had
approved the prosecution and that he "did not think it was going to
affect the election at all."[33] However, he later amended his
testimony, indicating that he had not been "directed" to indict for
voter fraud, days before the November 2006 election in question, but
that Schlozman himself made the decision to indict, after his First
Assistant U.S. Attorney had consulted with the Washington DOJ Election
Crimes Branch.[34] Schlozman's view was that the prosecutions were not
precluded by the Department of Justice policy because they pertained
to "... voter registration fraud (which examined conduct during voter
registration), not fraud during an ongoing or contested election."
>
>I don't know what your opinion is on this matter since you've not made
>that clear.
I'll try to make it clearer: I don't think ACORN is as awful as many
make it out to be. ACORN fired the workers (as I would have in their
position) and reported them to the authorities. What else would you
do? The fact that such a huge deal was made of it was because it was
election season and politics were a guiding force in the performance
of the US Justice Department. Once the far right grabbed onto ACORN as
a political issue in itself, memories became very short regarding
voting irregularities found to be of GOP origins. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Raymond
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tobin_(political operative)
Let the chips fall where they may, but I have to say that I do place
more trust in the current Justice Department than I did the Bush
administration. It is in my nature (and you may not believe it) to
give the benefit of the doubt to anyone until I lose that trust.
How often has ACORN as an organization been indicted? Convicted?
marcodbeast
> On Tue, 19 May 2009 12:03:12 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>> liar
>
> Ray has been around here a lot longer than you and is not a liar.
There is most certainly no question that he is a liar. Your claim that he
is not is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Examples are pitifully easy
to come by.
Littleguy
This is the 2nd time in as many weeks you've come to his defense.
Chris is a big boy. Let him be to his own experiences, unless of
course if you'd care to explain yourself?
Duine
scum-suckers that you embrace.
Duine
"Ditty Nicolaides" <BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote in message
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> I'll try to make it clearer: I don't think ACORN is as awful as many
> make it out to be.
> --
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:57 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>>How often has ACORN as an organization been indicted? Convicted?
>
>Outside of the Nevada indictments I haven't the faintest idea. Nor am
>I going to spend the time looking.
But I have taken that time, at least on the Internet, and I cannot
find one case of the organization's being indicted for voter
registration fraud. I think most of the hoopla is that very early on,
charges brought against former ACORN workers (who'd been reported to
the Registrar by ACORN itself and immediately fired) were claims that
this was an indictment against the organization.
marcodbeast
> On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:57 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
> <BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>
> than sufficient smoke in the air to know there is some sort of fire in
> progress.
>
> Will it result in more indictments? Will Acorn be convicted of
> something? Who knows? At this juncture, nobody knows.
>
> I doubt Acorn will be getting much support for Sen. Reid though. He
> is in trouble with Nevada voters and I doubt he will risk much for
> Acorn after it has been indicted by Nevada's Democratic Attorney
> General.
>
> It also does not help that the Governor of Nevada has drawn daggers in
> an attempt to slice and dice President Obama. Gov. Jim Gibbons has
> voter problems as well and feels he has a wonderful tar baby in
> President Obama.
>
> Regardless of the reasons or their appropriateness, the Democrats are
> facing some major issues in Nevada. I doubt they will come to the
> rescue of Acorn there.
>
> Like it or not, correctly or not, Acorn has been slammed in the public
> forum. All it will take is a little more and folks will start leaving
> Acorn like rats off a sinking ship.
>
> I feel it is justified. You do not. I'll not convince you otherwise.
> The reverse, is likely true as well.
>
> None-the-less, it is an absolute shame that the invalid voter
> registrations, regardless of who is responsible, are even possible. It
> is just another sign that our election processes are severely flawed
> and need fixing.
>
> It has been found that a significant percentage of absentee ballots
> sent overseas to NY voters go missing or uncounted. Approximately 40%
> of the ballots requested by military serving overseas were not
> counted. That does not necessarily mean they were completed, returned
> but not counted. There are other issues but I don't think it is
> incorrect to believe that a number much closer to 100% would have been
> returned and counted without the road blocks found in NY.
> http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090513/NEWS10/90513043
>
> A finding of a U.S. Senate committed found, "...approximately 25% of
> Americans living overseas, mostly soldiers, who tried to vote in 2008
> did not have their votes recorded by state officials."
> http://www.allgov.com/ViewNews/One_of_Four_Overseas_Ballots_Never_Counted_in_2008_90517
>
> What is going on with that?
>
> This is just one sort of problem with our voting processes. It is
> easy to find more. For instance, the 2000 Presidential voting in
> Florida. Then take a look at some of the fraud prone computer based
> voting that was implemented to remedy those problems. Or, for more
> recent examples, Minnisota's U.S. Senate election provides one great
> example after another of how votes were miscounted, uncounted,
> incorrectly declared invalid, etc.
>
> The sort of voter registration program we've seen used by Acorn is
> just wrong even if it is totally without fraudulent intent.
How do you see it as differing in procedure from, say, that of the League
of Women Voters?
marcodbeast
> Of course you don't since they represent the anti-American,
> pro-terrorist, scum-suckers that you embrace.
>
> Duine
Sender blocked, messages removed. You had a year, you lost.
Amused
> On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:56:22 -0700, �cg�
> <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:57 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
>><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>>
>>>How often has ACORN as an organization been indicted? Convicted?
>>
>>Outside of the Nevada indictments I haven't the faintest idea. Nor am
>>I going to spend the time looking.
>
> But I have taken that time, at least on the Internet, and I cannot
> find one case of the organization's being indicted for voter
> registration fraud. I think most of the hoopla is that very early on,
> charges brought against former ACORN workers (who'd been reported to
> the Registrar by ACORN itself and immediately fired) were claims that
> this was an indictment against the organization.
> --
> Ditty
>
St Louis, and St Louis county might have a different viewpoint.
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 2009 08:46:35 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:56:22 -0700, �cg�
>><cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:57 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
>>><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>How often has ACORN as an organization been indicted? Convicted?
>>>
>>>Outside of the Nevada indictments I haven't the faintest idea. Nor am
>>>I going to spend the time looking.
>>
>>But I have taken that time, at least on the Internet, and I cannot
>>find one case of the organization's being indicted for voter
>>registration fraud. I think most of the hoopla is that very early on,
>>charges brought against former ACORN workers (who'd been reported to
>>the Registrar by ACORN itself and immediately fired) were claims that
>>this was an indictment against the organization.
>
>You can't find one case? Do you mean you can't find one case outside
>of the Nevada indictments?
Yes, that's what I meant - very badly phrased on my part. Thanks.
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 2009 08:46:35 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>>But I have taken that time, at least on the Internet, and I cannot
>>find one case of the organization's being indicted for voter
>>registration fraud. I think most of the hoopla is that very early on,
>>charges brought against former ACORN workers (who'd been reported to
>>the Registrar by ACORN itself and immediately fired) were claims that
>>this was an indictment against the organization.
>
>Why do you think so many of their employees across several states have
>been brought up on voter registration fraud sorts of charges?
Probably because voter registration is a seasonal priority, depending
on when the next elections are to be held? Most of those are people
who have been unemployed or need the $8/hr pay. There are bad eggs in
every group. When I was working, I was aware of a seasonal VA
migration. The vets could get care at any VA, so they moved based on
weather, south in the winter, north in the summer. I suppose there
must be folks who do the same looking for work, dontcha think? Granted
my comparison is really flimsy but there are bad eggs in every
Allan Smith
The indictment has been filed, but no Court has accepted them (the
indictment can be rejected by the reviewing Judge).
The amount alleged is 13 counts of $5, and the total amount involved in the
indictments is $65. ACORN records show the payments as the per-diem for
volunteers, not as bonuses.
It will be interesing to see what a Judge has to say about the indictments.
Were I a taxpayer in Nevada, I'd be interested in why the Prosecutor is
suggesting spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money
prosecuting an alleged $65 deal, when it was the charged organization itself
that fired the alleged recipients, and reported their conduct to
authorities.
Gonna be interesting in Court. I'd expect a dismissal of the indictment, but
one never knows.
Allan
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"�cg�" <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 May 2009 08:46:35 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
Ditty Nicolaides
The ACORN organization was indicted there? Citation, please.
Ditty Nicolaides
<cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 2009 11:06:12 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:55 -0700, �cg�
>><cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 May 2009 08:46:35 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
>>><BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>But I have taken that time, at least on the Internet, and I cannot
>>>>find one case of the organization's being indicted for voter
>>>>registration fraud. I think most of the hoopla is that very early on,
>>>>charges brought against former ACORN workers (who'd been reported to
>>>>the Registrar by ACORN itself and immediately fired) were claims that
>>>>this was an indictment against the organization.
>>>
>>>Why do you think so many of their employees across several states have
>>>been brought up on voter registration fraud sorts of charges?
>>
>>Probably because voter registration is a seasonal priority, depending
>>on when the next elections are to be held? Most of those are people
>>who have been unemployed or need the $8/hr pay. There are bad eggs in
>>every group. When I was working, I was aware of a seasonal VA
>>migration. The vets could get care at any VA, so they moved based on
>>weather, south in the winter, north in the summer. I suppose there
>>must be folks who do the same looking for work, dontcha think? Granted
>>my comparison is really flimsy but there are bad eggs in every
>>organization.
>
>Please see my response in my post made today at 10:55 am MST.;
>Message-ID: <news:ise815tu9iak14hcg...@4ax.com>
>
>I decided to do a little more research to respond to the line of
>thought you've posted above.
I did, thanks.
marcodbeast
> You could well be correct in thinking the indictments will be
> dismissed.
>
> From my point of view it isn't a matter of $65 but a matter of
> principle.
Agreed - if said principle were intentionally violated by the entity
actually indicted. That looks increasingly shaky.
marcodbeast
> I was insufficiently communicative to insure you would understand.
You say the program used was wrong. How so? What evidence is there
directly against the program?
marcodbeast
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:05:38 -0700, Ditty Nicolaides
> <BiteMe@NoWayNoHow_X.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on my readings, almost all of the charges are actually against
>> bad voter registrations, and it is ACORN who brings these issues to
>> light whenever fake names and addresses are reviewed by ACORN.
>
> "But CBS News has talked to nearly two dozen ACORN workers who all
> said they were pressured to increase their number of registration
> cards - to the point of copying names out of phone books, signing up
> inmates, and registering the dead."
> <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/10/cbsnews_investigates/main4514429.shtml?source=related_story>
>
> Acorn workers talking about being coached to influence registrants to
> vote for a particular candidate;
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsT0LdeVomc&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/search?q=ACORN%2C+st+louis>
>
> From the Nevada Attorney General. Take a look at how the canvassers
> were compensated. Most particularly the Blackjack incentive program.
> Look, I sold vacuum cleaners door-to-door as a youth. Based on that
> experience and, later in life, responsibility for corporate quality
> practices, I know exactly how the quota system is used and the
> consequences of not closely monitoring the results such an approach.
> It is my personal judgment that Acorn did not adequately apply quality
> controls or knowingly encouraged fraudulent submission of voter
> registrations.
> http://ag.state.nv.us/newsroom/press/2009/ACORN%20press%20release.pdf
>
> A CNN report covering allegations concerning fraudulent voter
> registrations in Indiana. This report includes the following
> statement, "Over the past four years, a dozen states have investigated
> complaints of fraudulent registrations filed by ACORN"
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/?iref=hpmostpop
>
> It is one thing to hold the employees (canvassers) accountable but
> when the same basic issue comes up again and again across the nation
> there has to be more to it than just employees doing the wrong thing.
Not with this number of total employees, no.
Allan Smith
> ...principle ...
Only if it is labor-law principle.
The indictment is strictly about state labor laws (how volunteers were
appraised and compensated), and has nothing to do with voter registration.
It sure sniffs strongly of more politics than crime, as there are no
allegations of any voter registration issues or of any fraud of any sort.
Missori has the record in indicting ACORN. They've done it every election
year for the last eight years. It makes the news, then the indictments are
thrown out for lack of evidence, and then it all goes away until next
election, and its deja-vu all over again.
Allan
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"�cg�" <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Allan Smith
Well have to let the Court decide the evidence.
ACORN discovered the problem, fired those who were committing it, and then
reported it to election authorites.
Nevada states that the program existed, and _implies_, only in the fact of
the filing, that ACORN knew of it and did not act.
Nowhere in what I read was it asserted that ACORN knew of the problem and
did not act on its discovery. That would warrant a Conspiracy to Commit
count that I did not see in the indictment.
Seems to me the Prosecutor is prosecuting the employer for employee
misbehavior that, when discovered, was immediately addressed with summary
dismissal.
They will thus have to prove ACORN either encouraged the behavior, or did
not act upon its discovery.
If they can prove that, then more power to them, fry the bastards.
Allan
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"�cg�" <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Allan,
>
> I have to disagree that the indictments have nothing to do with voter
> registration. To wt;
>
Littleguy
>On Tue, 19 May 2009 16:08:02 -0700, Littleguy
><Mark.Littleguynomailatgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 May 2009 18:50:01 -0500, Ray <R...@yaooo.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 May 2009 10:49:56 -0700, �cg�
>>><cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 18 May 2009 12:34:02 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>�cg� wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:18:16 -0500, "marcodbeast" <i...@casual.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ACORN was indicted, or the fraudulent campaign workers they turned
>>>>>>> in? So far I am unable to find any source for "ACORN has been
>>>>>>> indicted" that doesn't actually mean a small number of workers who
>>>>>>> violated ACORN instructions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking you don't want to see that Acorn has been indicted. That
>>>>>> fact has already been posted here. Please see;
>>>>>> Message-ID: <news:l8hb05padav90u98j...@4ax.com> in the
>>>>>> thread "Acorn's record (was: Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000
>>>>>> replay?)" posted at 11:04 am on 05/09/2009.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That post was in a response to your post in another thread. Please
>>>>>> see;
>>>>>> Message-ID: <news:gskv4...@news4.newsguy.com> in the thread
>>>>>> "Franken vs. Coleman: Florida 2000 replay?" posted at 10:18 am on
>>>>>> 04/21/2009.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The site offered up was;
>>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, you have already been pointed to a report that Acorn
>>>>>> has been indicted and you either failed to thoroughly read that
>>>>>> article or, for some unknown reason, didn't not see that it clearly
>>>>>> indicated ACORN was indicted in Nevada for "submitting thousands of
>>>>>> fraudulent voter registration forms".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Realizing that some consider the WSJ to be tabloid from the right,
>>>>>> here is a report published in what others consider a tabloid from the
>>>>>> left;
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?ref=us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The headline in this newspaper is "Acorn Charged in Voter Registration
>>>>>> Fraud Case in Nevada". Further, just in case, for some unknown
>>>>>> reason, you miss the portion of the report indicating Acorn has been
>>>>>> indicted - here is a quote for the NYT article;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
>>>>>> Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
>>>>>> creating an incentive program called "blackjack" because $5 was paid
>>>>>> for signing more than 21 prospective voters."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key phrase being "The indictment includes 13 counts each against
>>>>>> Acorn..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no one so blind as those who will not see. This is a very
>>>>>> common malady found in True Believers. But don't worry since facts
>>>>>> can begin the cure for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect you will either fail to reply to this post or come up with
>>>>>> some spin to excuse the misunderstood Acorn. Likely a spin I'll be
>>>>>> able to discover at some Acorn apologist site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you could render me speechless when it comes to responding to your
>>>>>> post (if you post) by simply admitting Acorn has been indicted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeat lie post. See my answer in the actual thread.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is not sufficient to be a denier. Please be specific. Exactly
>>>>which of your posts are you referencing? The one that said Acorn has
>>>>not been indicted? That would be;
>>>>Message-ID: <news:guk13...@news7.newsguy.com>
>>>>
>>>>Or are you making reference to some other post?
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you have misunderstood my response to you. It was specific to
>>>>Nevada and did not include the indictments Ray provided. Nor was
>>>>there a reference to the 17 indictment Ray referenced.
>>>>
>>>>The NY Times is very clear in stating Acorn was indicted so I am
>>>>having some difficulty when even a liberal publication is reporting an
>>>>Acorn indictment and you say there is a liar in the wood pile.
>>>>
>>>>But just to be clear, are you saying Acorn has not been indicted for
>>>>fraudulent voter registration in Nevada? Are you saying Acorn has not
>>>>been indicted for any similar infraction in any other state? Are you
>>>>saying the Nevada indictment is based on lies?
>>>>
>>>>What say you?
>>>
>>>cg all he is doing is talking crap to get you to spend time responding
>>>to him. I stopped for the most part.
>>
>>This is the 2nd time in as many weeks you've come to his defense.
>>Chris is a big boy. Let him be to his own experiences, unless of
>>course if you'd care to explain yourself?
>
>I think you miss read what I said. cg can take care of himself. I just
>pointed out a conclusion I came to.
Noted. It went in one ear and out the other without much resistance
in any case. Nor harm, no foul.
Ditty Nicolaides
<gues...@guesswhere-here.com> wrote:
>cg,
>
>Well have to let the Court decide the evidence.
>
>ACORN discovered the problem, fired those who were committing it, and then
>reported it to election authorites.
>
>Nevada states that the program existed, and _implies_, only in the fact of
>the filing, that ACORN knew of it and did not act.
>
>Nowhere in what I read was it asserted that ACORN knew of the problem and
>did not act on its discovery. That would warrant a Conspiracy to Commit
>count that I did not see in the indictment.
>
>Seems to me the Prosecutor is prosecuting the employer for employee
>misbehavior that, when discovered, was immediately addressed with summary
>dismissal.
>
>They will thus have to prove ACORN either encouraged the behavior, or did
>not act upon its discovery.
>
>If they can prove that, then more power to them, fry the bastards.
>
>Allan
Exactly.
--
Ditty