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JAB
May 21, 2023, 5:01:24 PMMay 21
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At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
Retrograde
May 25, 2023, 10:09:43 PMMay 25
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On 2023-05-21, JAB <he...@is.invalid> wrote:
> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
It's really astonishing to me.
> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
I'm reading, too, that the vast majority of book banning incidents stem
from a rather small group of avid book banners. You'd think there were
bigger issues to argue over these days.
Meanwhile, the rich just got a little richer.
JAB
May 25, 2023, 11:51:08 PMMay 25
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On Fri, 26 May 2023 02:20:48 +0100, Retrograde
<fun...@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
>the vast majority of book banning incidents stem
>from a rather small group of avid book banners. You'd think there were
>bigger issues to argue over these days.
Out of sight, out of mind...Texas has demanded school book publishers
<fun...@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
>the vast majority of book banning incidents stem
>from a rather small group of avid book banners. You'd think there were
>bigger issues to argue over these days.
say it "their way" or else for years. Now, the Rs are going after
libraries.
They want them to think like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I
Michael Trew
Jun 4, 2023, 10:34:19 AMJun 4
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but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
fresh in my mind.
Of course, "transgenderism" wasn't an issue for me, but the thing is,
when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
later.
JAB
Jun 4, 2023, 3:38:01 PMJun 4
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors.
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors.
>They have a point, though.
I'm not aware of scientific articles suggesting this/that viewpoint.
But biologically, physical appearance has nothing to do with how a
mind is "wired up."
Historically, I believe this/that behavior has been around a long
time, but mostly 'hidden' in the closet.
Retrograde
Jun 4, 2023, 5:08:06 PMJun 4
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400
>
>
> Of course, "transgenderism" wasn't an issue for me, but the thing is,
> when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
> before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
> later.
Doubly so if they cut of their 'nards.
> when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
> before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
> later.
Have the problem is a medical and mental health community eager to sell
new treatments, medicines, and procedures.
--
Retrograde <fun...@amongus.com.invalid>
Michael Trew
Jun 4, 2023, 6:52:48 PMJun 4
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in. These kids are undergoing permanent changes, which can't be un-done.
ErnieB
Jun 4, 2023, 6:57:22 PMJun 4
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>
> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
> fresh in my mind.
>
Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>
> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
> fresh in my mind.
>
"family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
certainly help.
> Of course, "transgenderism" wasn't an issue for me, but the thing is,
> when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
> before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
> later.
be too late. By the time that she's 19 she's been menstruating for six
years or so and her breasts have developed. IMO being a guy trapped in a
girl's body would be the definition of screwed up.
The opposite case is also true but someone born male wouldn't need to deal
with menstruation or a mastectomy at least.
--
Ernie B.
Communication: The art of moving an idea from one mind to another,
hopefully without distortion.
Anonymous
Jun 4, 2023, 9:46:10 PMJun 4
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ErnieB wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>>
>> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
>> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
>> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
>> fresh in my mind.
>>
> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
> certainly help.
>
>> Of course, "transgenderism" wasn't an issue for me, but the thing is,
>> when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
>> before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
>> later.
>
> Puberty, in the case of a person born female but feels like a male, would
> be too late.
"Too late" for faggots like you who want to groom them?
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>>
>> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
>> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
>> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
>> fresh in my mind.
>>
> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
> certainly help.
>
>> Of course, "transgenderism" wasn't an issue for me, but the thing is,
>> when these kids get on that medication from a young age, especially
>> before puberty, it can screw them up for life if they change their minds
>> later.
>
> Puberty, in the case of a person born female but feels like a male, would
> be too late.
JAB
Jun 4, 2023, 10:53:36 PMJun 4
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:46:00 +0000, Anonymous <an...@anon.net> wrote:
>"Too late" for faggots
Your kind of guy?
A Florida man has been handed 10 life sentences for repeatedly raping
a child.
Him&his girlfriend would rape an 11yr old child (who I think was his
daughter) for 3 yrs, often multiple times a day& while drugged with
benzos to "calm her down".
Enjoy prison, Larry Steve Snipes.
https://twitter.com/darafaye/status/1664709266731683843
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/01/pensacola-florida-man-to-serve-10-life-sentences-after-child-sex-assault/70269778007/
>"Too late" for faggots
Your kind of guy?
A Florida man has been handed 10 life sentences for repeatedly raping
a child.
Him&his girlfriend would rape an 11yr old child (who I think was his
daughter) for 3 yrs, often multiple times a day& while drugged with
benzos to "calm her down".
Enjoy prison, Larry Steve Snipes.
https://twitter.com/darafaye/status/1664709266731683843
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/01/pensacola-florida-man-to-serve-10-life-sentences-after-child-sex-assault/70269778007/
Michael Trew
Jun 5, 2023, 12:17:56 PMJun 5
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On 6/4/2023 18:57, ErnieB wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>>
>> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
>> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
>> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
>> fresh in my mind.
>>
> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
> certainly help.
I don't consider mutilation of a child (or even an adult, for that
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2023 16:59, JAB wrote:
>>> At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning
>>> gender-affirming care for transgender minors. An AP analysis found
>>> that often those bills sprang not from constituent demand, but from
>>> the pens of a handful of conservative interest groups.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1660096320042835968
>>
>> They have a point, though. Minors might think they know what they want,
>> but many minors don't have their own best interests in mind. I can say
>> this, having been a minor just over 10 years ago, it's still rather
>> fresh in my mind.
>>
> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
> certainly help.
matter) to be a "family type" decision. Some may not agree with me, but
this type of "playing god" is not cool, in general. That's not a
routine or necessary surgery.
Either way, parents will push their own beliefs over how the child
feels, be it disallowing the operation, or in some cases, I've heard of
"progressive" parents who pushed the matter. Kids are easily influenced
by social media, and don't know what they want.
Here are a few examples I've read in the past:
https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-regret-changing-genders/
JAB
Jun 5, 2023, 1:20:52 PMJun 5
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:17:54 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>Some may not agree with me, but this type of
>"playing god" is not cool, in general. That's not a
>routine or necessary surgery.
One is suggesting that physical appearance is directly related to
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>Some may not agree with me, but this type of
>"playing god" is not cool, in general. That's not a
>routine or necessary surgery.
mental perceptions (or brain's "wiring").
I am not aware of science being able to explain "brain coding" yet.
Bruce Jenner (Caitlyn Marie Jenner) is not my cup of tea, but for
whatever reason, she said "she had dealt with gender dysphoria since
her youth ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner
ErnieB
Jun 5, 2023, 2:16:57 PMJun 5
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:17:54 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 6/4/2023 18:57, ErnieB wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
>> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
>> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
>> certainly help.
>
> I don't consider mutilation of a child (or even an adult, for that
> matter) to be a "family type" decision. Some may not agree with me, but
> this type of "playing god" is not cool, in general. That's not a
> routine or necessary surgery.
>
I think that you're missing my point: laws prohibiting use of puberty
> On 6/4/2023 18:57, ErnieB wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>> Am I to understand that you don't have a problem with politicians making
>> "family type" decisions for you, your spouse and progeny? A kid may not be
>> able to make that sort of decision but the family s/he lives with can
>> certainly help.
>
> I don't consider mutilation of a child (or even an adult, for that
> matter) to be a "family type" decision. Some may not agree with me, but
> this type of "playing god" is not cool, in general. That's not a
> routine or necessary surgery.
>
blockers, etc. until a certain age are made by politicians, who may or may
not be competent, and take decisions concerning gender identity and what to
do about it from the individual and/or family involved. IMO that is not
very cool at all.
I read most of the NY Post articles about detransitioning BTW.
> Either way, parents will push their own beliefs over how the child
> feels, be it disallowing the operation, or in some cases, I've heard of
> "progressive" parents who pushed the matter.
appropriate counsel if necessary.
> Kids are easily influenced
> by social media, and don't know what they want.
>
politicians.
JAB
Jun 6, 2023, 9:39:35 PMJun 6
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:17:54 -0400, Michael Trew
Currently, Republican politicians are playing political games for
impressing their potential voters. A law assembly may pass a state
law, knowing full well its bogus in some manner; they also know it may
be contested, but whoever brings forth a suit will cost them money,
generally serious money. And the only penalty for legislators is by
voters, not real economic penalties for their political games.
Case in point:
Federal judge rips into Florida's ban on gender-affirming care for
kids
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle's 44-page ruling called the decision
to pursue the ban on puberty blockers and hormonal treatment a
political decision and not a "legitimate state interest."
...
...
Hinkle also added that "the statute and the rules were an exercise in
politics, not good medicine. This is a politically fraught area...
...
...
The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical
Association support gender-affirming care for adults and adolescents.
But medical experts said gender-affirming care for children rarely, if
ever, includes surgery. Instead, doctors are more likely to recommend
counseling, social transitioning and hormone replacement therapy.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/06/florida-gender-affirming-care-ruling-00100387
Kerr-Mudd, John
Jun 6, 2023, 9:53:49 PMJun 6
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Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Retrograde
Jun 6, 2023, 11:08:06 PMJun 6
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 20:39:33 -0500
JAB <he...@is.invalid> wrote:
JAB <he...@is.invalid> wrote:
> Currently, Republican politicians are playing political games for
> impressing their potential voters. A law assembly may pass a state
> law, knowing full well its bogus in some manner; they also know it may
> be contested, but whoever brings forth a suit will cost them money,
> generally serious money. And the only penalty for legislators is by
> voters, not real economic penalties for their political games.
>
> Case in point:
>
> Federal judge rips into Florida's ban on gender-affirming care for
> kids
>
> U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle's 44-page ruling called the decision
> to pursue the ban on puberty blockers and hormonal treatment a
> political decision and not a "legitimate state interest."
Great point. Can't trust politicians with anything anymore: their only
> impressing their potential voters. A law assembly may pass a state
> law, knowing full well its bogus in some manner; they also know it may
> be contested, but whoever brings forth a suit will cost them money,
> generally serious money. And the only penalty for legislators is by
> voters, not real economic penalties for their political games.
>
> Case in point:
>
> Federal judge rips into Florida's ban on gender-affirming care for
> kids
>
> U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle's 44-page ruling called the decision
> to pursue the ban on puberty blockers and hormonal treatment a
> political decision and not a "legitimate state interest."
interest is staying elected.
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