Re: Where was O'bamma actually born?
Sam the Bam
> I had written this whole thing off as implausibly nutty until I
> saw with my own two eyes how even the honolulu paper had
> sanitized its story about his having been born in Indonesia.
> They went back and edited that ONE specific line out in
> their OWN archives.
pop quiz:
Who wrote:
"He who controls the present, controls the past...."
Sam
Deadrat
3dbf77...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
You're lying. You haven't seen anything, including a Honolulu paper, with
your "own two eyes." In fact, you don't even have two thoughts of your own
to rub together. You're just parroting crap you've been told to repeat.
You don't have the intellectual chops to quote Eric Blair.
So piss off.
Naughtius
OH! OOH! I KNOW, I KNOW!!
YOU did... Just now...
Naughtius "He Who Does Not Remember The Past... Is Condemned To REgift
The Present" Maximus
trav...@aol.com
> your "own two eyes." In fact, you don't even have two thoughts of your own
> to rub together. You're just parroting crap you've been told to repeat.
You wanna bet? I posted both links. The "Now" article was edited
right after it was referenced in another forum, like same day.
People quoted it, then later the same day, noticed that one line had
been redacted...from an archived news article.
Trav
Deadrat
635e-48ab-ae4...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com:
>> You're lying. �You haven't seen anything, including a Honolulu paper, w
> ith
>> your "own two eyes." �In fact, you don't even have two thoughts of your
> own
>> to rub together. �You're just parroting crap you've been told to repeat
> .
>
> You wanna bet? I posted both links.
Not in misc.legal. Post 'em again.
The "Now" article was edited
> right after it was referenced in another forum, like same day.
Like the same day? Like really?
>
> People quoted it, then later the same day, noticed that one line had
> been redacted...from an archived news article.
Post your evidence. Or at least tell me what "one line" you think had been
redacted. Let's see if that has anything to do with where Obama was born.
>
> Trav
>
trav...@aol.com
Then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http://the.honoluluadvertis...
Now:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334....
Article was edited on 10/15 within hours of being referenced on a
relatively popular market-related website forum.
> Like the same day? Like really?
Like yeah, you stupid like fuck.
> Post your evidence. Or at least tell me what "one line" you think had been
> redacted. Let's see if that has anything to do with where Obama was born.
Like read you like stupid ass
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Not in misc.legal. Post 'em again.
>
> Then:http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http://the.honoluluadvertis...
OK, let's go there:
"Not in Archive.
"No archived versions of the page you requested are available. If the
page is still available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it
during our next crawl."
> Now:http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334....
OK, let's see if you can do better this time:
"Aloha. The page you are looking for does not exist at this address.
It may have been removed, or is otherwise unavailable. Please report
any dead links to us by sending us an email at the address below."
Nope. no better.
Got anything at all?
Didn't think so. One more impotent kook.
> Article was edited on 10/15 within hours of being referenced on a
> relatively popular market-related website forum.
Sure, kkkook, sure.
> > Like the same day? Like really?
>
> Like yeah, you stupid like fuck.
Like, apparently like not, like dope.
> > Post your evidence. Or at least tell me what "one line" you think had been
> > redacted. Let's see if that has anything to do with where Obama was born.
>
> Like read you like stupid ass
Seems you're the stupid ass.
Iarnrod
Hawaii says so. Case closed.
trav...@aol.com
> On Oct 30, 2:51 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Not in misc.legal. Post 'em again.
>
> > Then:http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http://the.honoluluadvertis...
>
> OK, let's go there:
> "Not in Archive.
> "No archived versions of the page you requested are available. If the
> page is still available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it
> during our next crawl."
Holy fucking shit...they pulled the article. Wow. I hope somebody
here clicked it before it was posted.
> > Now:http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334....
>
> OK, let's see if you can do better this time:
> "Aloha. The page you are looking for does not exist at this address.
> It may have been removed, or is otherwise unavailable. Please report
> any dead links to us by sending us an email at the address below."
>
> Nope. no better.
>
> Got anything at all?
>
> Didn't think so. One more impotent kook.
I'm actually kind of speechless here. They pulled both articles.
> Sure, kkkook, sure.
Do you want a link to the discussion?
> Seems you're the stupid ass.
These articles were live as of the time I posted them.
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
> On Oct 30, 5:05 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 2:51 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > Not in misc.legal. Post 'em again.
>
> > > Then:http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http://the.honoluluadvertis...
>
> > OK, let's go there:
> > "Not in Archive.
> > "No archived versions of the page you requested are available. If the
> > page is still available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it
> > during our next crawl."
>
> Holy fucking shit...they pulled the article. Wow. I hope somebody
> here clicked it before it was posted.
Sure.
> > > Now:http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334....
>
> > OK, let's see if you can do better this time:
> > "Aloha. The page you are looking for does not exist at this address.
> > It may have been removed, or is otherwise unavailable. Please report
> > any dead links to us by sending us an email at the address below."
>
> > Nope. no better.
>
> > Got anything at all?
>
> > Didn't think so. One more impotent kook.
>
> I'm actually kind of speechless here. They pulled both articles.
Uh-huh.
> > Sure, kkkook, sure.
>
> Do you want a link to the discussion?
Why?
> > Seems you're the stupid ass.
>
> These articles were live as of the time I posted them.
>
> Trav
Yeah, uh-huh.
trav...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Google must've mangled the links...
lemme try again
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html
this page was edited on 10/15 and again today to include the
"correction" item. The 10/15 edit removed one line.
Trav
Deadrat
news:46126b16-b40c-4950...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
You've got a profile of Tammy Duckworth in the 2/7/06 _Honolulu
Advertiser_ that incorrectly states that Obama was born in Indonesia.
The current online version of that article states that the original was
in error because Obama was born in Hawaii.
Hell, you ignoramus, even Orly Taitz and her merry band of Birthers don't
think that Obama was born in Indonesia. They think he was born in Kenya,
this belief based on -obviously (and hilariously) forged documents and
the voices in their skulls.
Of what possible evidentiary value do you think the original article
carried? Remember, it was published in 2006.
Please answer the quuestion that makes up the first line of this post.
I'm just curious.
hal
>Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
>
>You've got a profile of Tammy Duckworth in the 2/7/06 _Honolulu
>Advertiser_ that incorrectly states that Obama was born in Indonesia.
>The current online version of that article states that the original was
>in error because Obama was born in Hawaii.
>
>Hell, you ignoramus, even Orly Taitz and her merry band of Birthers don't
>think that Obama was born in Indonesia. They think he was born in Kenya,
>this belief based on -obviously (and hilariously) forged documents and
>the voices in their skulls.
>
>Of what possible evidentiary value do you think the original article
>carried? Remember, it was published in 2006.
>
>Please answer the quuestion that makes up the first line of this post.
>
>I'm just curious.
Don't mind Trav, he's seriously disturbed.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > They want to believe.
>
> Huh??? Dude I'm not talkin about his opponents, I'm talking about his
> friends.
>
> > It's the age of conspiracies and muddle-headed thinking. If Obama or his supporters
> > respond, that's proof of something fishy. If they *don't* respond, that's even fishier.
>
> Huh?
>
> > You don't have to take it on faith ya know.
>
> You have some proof?
>
> > Nah.
>
> Dude there are 2 options, either everyone else is lying or he was.
>
> > I do think there's a certain % of the US population that will never see anything Obama does
> > as good, and would dearly like him to fail. Look at the poisoned chalice he's been handed!
>
> WTF...never figured you to stick up for this clown.
>
>
>
> > After 8 years of that fucking idiot in office, why can't you cut Obama a break FFS?
>
> > Failing empires have a habit of destroying their emperors before the fall.
>
> > GDS
>
> Are you fucking nuts? I mean the way you're talking here is making me
> doubt your sanity. I never cut his predecessor a break...
>
> why does bama deserve a break? You in love with his blackness?
>
> Trav
The problem here is you hate his blackness.
Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii. Actually Hawaii proved it.
trav...@aol.com
>
> Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii. Actually Hawaii proved it.
How did Hawaii prove it?
Trav
trav...@aol.com
>
> You've got a profile of Tammy Duckworth in the 2/7/06 _Honolulu
> Advertiser_ that incorrectly states that Obama was born in Indonesia.
> The current online version of that article states that the original was
> in error because Obama was born in Hawaii.
JFC...I just told you that the "correction" line was added YESTERDAY.
The archived article was edited to remove the Indonesia thing on
10/15. The entire look of the page changed in between my first and
second posts on it.
Honolulu papers are modifying their own archives.
> Hell, you ignoramus, even Orly Taitz and her merry band of Birthers don't
> think that Obama was born in Indonesia. They think he was born in Kenya,
> this belief based on -obviously (and hilariously) forged documents and
> the voices in their skulls.
I dont honestly give a fuck what Orly Taitz believes even if I knew
who he was.
My question is more to the point of how in the hell all these people
got the mistaken impression he was foreign-born if he was born in
Hawaii. How would ANYBODY be able to fashion an opinion on the
matter?
> Of what possible evidentiary value do you think the original article
> carried? Remember, it was published in 2006.
Again how did a fellow Chicago democrat AND the honolulu paper from
Bama's hometown come to the MISTAKEN conclusion that he was foreign-
born? If, as you say he was born in Hawaii. Why does Alan Keyes
insist Bama said he was born in Kenya?
> Please answer the quuestion that makes up the first line of this post.
>
> I'm just curious.
Hawaii could settle this once and for all by releasing his actual BC
or providing the basis by which the AG of HI made his determination
that bama was born there; it's really as simple as that.
I'm curious as to how in the hell all these people seemed to believe
this dude was born overseas when now articles saying that are being
edited in 2009 once people happen upon them.
I really hope that he was born in HI and not elsewhere and that he
wasn't a dual citizen and that his presence in Indonesia under a
travel ban was due to bribing a local official. The dude's history
does not add up; it simply doesn't. He should not have been able to
be in Indonesia when he was as a US citizen.
It would be easy to release his passport records and other documents.
what i fucking LOVE is how you guys say trust the government, trust
the Congress, when a few months ago you were castigating them for
being nothing but a bunch of crooks and torturing warmongering liars
who gave us TARP, bailouts, bank bonuses, and another $20T in debt.
Now, all the establishment has rallied around the establishment
candidate and they are the ones who continue to give life to this
birther movement the same fucking way as Busch gave life to all the
9/11 critics by playing the same "State Secret" bullshit.
What I do NOT want to see happen is when the inevitable economic
downturn resumes that suddenly, someone decides that this useful idiot
is no longer useful then in the midst of national financial issues, we
have shit come out that shows he was a dual citizen and therefore
ineligible to serve and so then what happens?
The Congress is so corrupt and the DNC so thoroughly corrupt (along
with the RNC) that their calculus if such information exists was we
want THIS guy because HE CAN WIN and they figure they can sue and play
political games with their cronies all over the county to suppress any
real discovery just like Busch's people circled the fucking wagons
during his administration.
To be blunt, the fundamental issue is NOT bama and NOT where the fuck
he was born, it is the effing government playing bullshit games trying
to suppress information. With respect to 911 now we have all these
people who saw how steadfastly Busch fought discovery on what was
known and when and they took from that that it was an inside job,
which is utterly ridiculous. But what is INARGUABLE is that ANYONE
reasonable, judging Busch's behavior, would believe that INDEED he DID
have something to hide!
I mean, any juror or attorney or investigator or even cop would
BELIEVE that by their actions they demonstrated that they very much
had something to hide! Obviously, whatever it was was embarrassing or
highly damaging to them. Bama is acting the SAME WAY with respect to
historical information about himself as Busch did on any number of
topics. There's smoke, I wonder what the fire is.
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > The problem here is you hate his blackness.
>
> > Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii. Actually Hawaii proved it.
>
> How did Hawaii prove it?
By issuing this:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
... which the state has now twice publicly reaffirmed.
There is no way around this. Obama in fact is the ONLY presidential
candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
>
> > You've got a profile of Tammy Duckworth in the 2/7/06 _Honolulu
> > Advertiser_ that incorrectly states that Obama was born in Indonesia.
> > The current online version of that article states that the original was
> > in error because Obama was born in Hawaii.
>
> JFC...I just told you that the "correction" line was added YESTERDAY.
> The archived article was edited to remove the Indonesia thing on
> 10/15. The entire look of the page changed in between my first and
> second posts on it.
>
> Honolulu papers are modifying their own archives.
You must have missed that the paper says it printed the correction on
Jan. 15, 2006, in its print edition, one week after the original story
was published. Some newspapers update their online archives with
corrections; this one apparently did not until the nutbars started
circling.
It's good when mistakes are corrected, no?
> > Hell, you ignoramus, even Orly Taitz and her merry band of Birthers don't
> > think that Obama was born in Indonesia. They think he was born in Kenya,
> > this belief based on -obviously (and hilariously) forged documents and
> > the voices in their skulls.
>
> I dont honestly give a fuck what Orly Taitz believes even if I knew
> who he was.
>
> My question is more to the point of how in the hell all these people
> got the mistaken impression he was foreign-born if he was born in
> Hawaii.
Because they are rabid racists and fascists who hate havign an
intelligent articulate black man replace their nitwit.
> How would ANYBODY be able to fashion an opinion on the
> matter?
Insanity and refusal to accept reality. They think he's a communist
too, and a secret Muslim and some people say he's not even black. It's
absofuckinlutely crazy.
> > Of what possible evidentiary value do you think the original article
> > carried? Remember, it was published in 2006.
>
> Again how did a fellow Chicago democrat AND the honolulu paper from
> Bama's hometown come to the MISTAKEN conclusion that he was foreign-
> born?
They didn't know better. They didn't know him well enough. They only
knew he spent some childhood years in Indonesia and that his father
was from Kenya. Maybe it was the reporter who got it wrong and not the
sources. No matter. Lots of people believe lots of lies about a lot of
other people. I dislike AWOL with a passion but I know there were
things said about him while he was in office that were also lies.
> If, as you say he was born in Hawaii. Why does Alan Keyes
> insist Bama said he was born in Kenya?
Keyes is a certifiable nitwit.
> > Please answer the quuestion that makes up the first line of this post.
>
> > I'm just curious.
>
> Hawaii could settle this once and for all by releasing his actual BC
That would violate state law. However, it has TWICE now verified that
the COLB it gave Obama is true and correct... as the COLB itself so
states. Therefore it cannot be any other way.
> or providing the basis by which the AG of HI made his determination
> that bama was born there; it's really as simple as that.
It's already been done. The COLB is an abstract of the state files. By
definition it is identical information.
> I'm curious as to how in the hell all these people seemed to believe
> this dude was born overseas when now articles saying that are being
> edited in 2009 once people happen upon them.
Correcting mistakes is not a bad thing.
> I really hope that he was born in HI and not elsewhere.
Your hope is granted. FACT.
> and that he wasn't a dual citizen
Immaterial.
> and that his presence in Indonesia under a
> travel ban was due to bribing a local official.
WTF?? What travel ban? There was no travel ban to Indonesia. He freely
traveled there with his mother at age 6 and returned to his
grandparejts in Hawaii at age 10. What bribe? Why do birfers simply
make shit up?
> The dude's history
> does not add up; it simply doesn't.
It does of course. It's your delusions that don't fit the reality that
don't add up.
> He should not have been able to
> be in Indonesia when he was as a US citizen.
You need to explain this lie. His mom married an Indoensian and moved
there. I think you don't know what you're talking about. There never
was a travel ban.
> It would be easy to release his passport records and other documents.
No it wouldn't. It would be unnecessary.
> what i fucking LOVE is how you guys say trust the government, trust
> the Congress, when a few months ago you were castigating them for
> being nothing but a bunch of crooks and torturing warmongering liars
> who gave us TARP, bailouts, bank bonuses, and another $20T in debt.
This has nothing to do with any of that.
> What I do NOT want to see happen is when the inevitable economic
> downturn resumes that suddenly, someone decides that this useful idiot
> is no longer useful then in the midst of national financial issues, we
> have shit come out that shows he was a dual citizen and therefore
> ineligible to serve and so then what happens?
There is nothing about "dual citizenship" that makes anyone
ineligible. His father's Kenyan citizenship does not cancel Obama's
natural born US citizenship. Obama lost all rights to Kenyan
citizenship at 23.
> The Congress is so corrupt and the DNC so thoroughly corrupt (along
> with the RNC) that their calculus if such information exists was we
> want THIS guy because HE CAN WIN and they figure they can sue and play
> political games with their cronies all over the county to suppress any
> real discovery just like Busch's people circled the fucking wagons
> during his administration.
Tin foil hat time.
> To be blunt, the fundamental issue is NOT bama and NOT where the fuck
> he was born, it is the effing government playing bullshit games trying
> to suppress information.
That is not happening at all.
> With respect to 911 now we have all these
> people who saw how steadfastly Busch fought discovery on what was
> known and when and they took from that that it was an inside job,
> which is utterly ridiculous. But what is INARGUABLE is that ANYONE
> reasonable, judging Busch's behavior, would believe that INDEED he DID
> have something to hide!
Nope.
> I mean, any juror or attorney or investigator or even cop would
> BELIEVE that by their actions they demonstrated that they very much
> had something to hide! Obviously, whatever it was was embarrassing or
> highly damaging to them. Bama is acting the SAME WAY with respect to
> historical information about himself as Busch did on any number of
> topics. There's smoke, I wonder what the fire is.
In your mind.
trav...@aol.com
That isn't actually a birth certificate. Hawaii certificates of live
birth are computer-generated and there are multitudes of examples of
their being fraudulently obtained.
Try again, dude...seriously.
> ... which the state has now twice publicly reaffirmed.
Trust them. Sure. Sounds like a fine idea!
> There is no way around this. Obama in fact is the ONLY presidential
> candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
> citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
> certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
This would be true if that were actually his birth certificate, which
has not been released.
Honestly, if you're going to make elementary mistakes like assuming a
Cert of Live Birth is the same as the actual birth certificate, then
you may as well shut up.
Really doesn't matter to me, I have no reason to believe that they
couldn't forge any document he needed to have forged to be
President...don't really care where he was born and I figure he
probably was born in Hawaii, even though Hawaii is claiming
"privilege" on the issues that went into their determination that he
was born there and they are fighting FOIA suits to release any info or
conversations on the matter.
What I find more interesting is how so many were of the mistaken
belief that he was foreign born. I stick to the simplest explanation,
that Bama is a FRAUD who spun a bullshit narrative about himself and
that there are highly embarrasing pieces of information lingering
around in his passport records or on his actual birth cert. Still
like to know also how he managed to be in Indonesia in 1982 and
apparently went to Pakistan as well. These types of things should not
have been possible for a US citizen.
This is kinda like how the CIA says NO of COURSE we didn't torture
anyone, TRUST US, and then they fight every FOIA request tooth and
nail, Busch claims "executive privilege," the tapes get erased, the
documents shredded and they all say TRUST US. From Iran Contra to
this, it's been one LONG sequence of nothing but fucking lies and
evasion from government.
TARP, bailouts, the FED refusing audit, the Iraq War, 911, bama's
history, Whitewater and the rest of that Mena shit...it just goes on
and on and on.
Face facts, if this was a GOP president, you'd be ALL OVER IT. Rather
rushed to breaking news on CBS primetime on FAR less than this shit.
The MSM punditry had feeding frenzies on FAR flimsier information
about the last President, while totally ignoring criminal dealings by
his predecessor, nevermind the notorious philandering EVERYONE knew he
was up to in Ark prior to HIS race.
I'm just frankly sick and tired of our goverment constantly behaving
as if they have something to hide and then we subsequently find out
that YES THEY DID. We find out that the Cheney axis wanted a war with
iraq evidence be damend and NOBODY DOES SHIT. Bama comes in saying
Ima close Gitmo and it's STILL OPEN. He and the Dems came in in 2008
and 2006 saying they'd END the wars and we're instead SURGING them.
TARP has been a total crackup of nonstop fraud...but, on THIS, yes, I
should TRUST the government to be telling the truth despite the
appearance of obfuscation and that 1.5 year old web archives of papers
are getting modified wihle I'm looking at them. This conman may or
may not have been born in Hawaii, whatever...but something is
definitely up just as surely as the entire truth about 911 was never
disclosed (that truth most LIKELY being that the government was
INCOMPETENT, that they had information sufficient to stop the attacks
but failed to act because of their own stupidity).
So you tell me we'll have another blue-ribbon commission that will
brush it all under the rug - fantastic!
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> Jan. 15, 2006, in its print edition, one week after the original story
> was published. Some newspapers update their online archives with
> corrections; this one apparently did not until the nutbars started
> circling.
>
> It's good when mistakes are corrected, no?
Did you miss where I told you that that correction line was added
YESTERDAY? It was added in between my first post referencing it and
the one where I repasted the links.
The correction itself was made on 10/15 after some people discovered
the article.
> Because they are rabid racists and fascists who hate havign an
> intelligent articulate black man replace their nitwit.
Wow...the fucking race card. Alan Keyes is a rabid racist and
fascist. o...k...
Just wow. You people are fucking pathetic. There's really no point
in responding to anything you say after this idiocy.
Trav
Deadrat
news:7f2b8b5e-4ff3-4a21...@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
>> Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
>>
>> You've got a profile of Tammy Duckworth in the 2/7/06 _Honolulu
>> Advertiser_ that incorrectly states that Obama was born in Indonesia.
>> � The current online version of that article states that the original
>> was in error because Obama was born in Hawaii.
>
> JFC...I just told you that the "correction" line was added YESTERDAY.
> The archived article was edited to remove the Indonesia thing on
> 10/15. The entire look of the page changed in between my first and
> second posts on it.
>
> Honolulu papers are modifying their own archives.
Yes. What's your point?
The article contained an error, the paper corrected the error, and gave
notice of the correction at the top of the article.
>
>> Hell, you ignoramus, even Orly Taitz and her merry band of Birthers
>> don't think that Obama was born in Indonesia. �They think he was born
>> in Kenya,
>> this belief based on -obviously (and hilariously) forged documents
>> and the voices in their skulls.
>
> I dont honestly give a fuck what Orly Taitz believes even if I knew
> who he was.
Orly is a she. She's the leading attorney in the Birther's attempt to
get the federal courts to throw Obama out of office.
> My question is more to the point of how in the hell all these people
> got the mistaken impression he was foreign-born if he was born in
> Hawaii. How would ANYBODY be able to fashion an opinion on the
> matter?
Because rightards are grasping at straws trying to overturn a valid
election. How did Bill O'Reilly get the impression that Americans
commited war crimes at Malmedy? How did Glen Beck get the impression
that Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people? How did Rush
Limbaugh get the impression that Obama's Columbia thesis called for the
redistribution of wealth?
When you're an ideologue, ignorance comes easy.
>
>> Of what possible evidentiary value do you think the original article
>> carried? �Remember, it was published in 2006.
>
> Again how did a fellow Chicago democrat AND the honolulu paper from
> Bama's hometown come to the MISTAKEN conclusion that he was foreign-
> born?
Obama lived in Indonesia when he was young. The reporter made a mistake.
> If, as you say he was born in Hawaii.
The reporter made a mistake. The state of Hawaii says Obama was born in
Honolulu.
> Why does Alan Keyes insist Bama said he was born in Kenya?
You can't even keep the lies straight, can you? Keyes says that Obama's
Kenyan relatives say that Obama was born in Kenya. But that's based on
some rightard's taped interview with some Obama relatives in which the
*interviewer* tries to get the relatives to say that Obama was born in
Kenya, which they actually deny.
>
>> Please answer the quuestion that makes up the first line of this
>> post.
>>
>> I'm just curious.
>
> Hawaii could settle this once and for all by releasing his actual BC
> or providing the basis by which the AG of HI made his determination
> that bama was born there; it's really as simple as that.
If you don't want to accept the word of state officials, then I guess it
just sucks to be you, eh? For rightard ignoramuses, *nothing* will
settle this once and for all. For rational people, it's already settled.
> I'm curious as to how in the hell all these people seemed to believe
> this dude was born overseas when now articles saying that are being
> edited in 2009 once people happen upon them.
You're curious? I doubt it.
>
> I really hope that he was born in HI and not elsewhere and that he
> wasn't a dual citizen and that his presence in Indonesia under a
> travel ban was due to bribing a local official. The dude's history
> does not add up; it simply doesn't. He should not have been able to
> be in Indonesia when he was as a US citizen.
You can't even keep your lies straight, can you? Rightards claim that
Obama traveled to *Pakistan*, not Indonesia, under a travel ban. But
there was no such ban. And the US doesn't care about dual citizenship.
>
> It would be easy to release his passport records and other documents.
And irrelevant. US citizens cannot lose their citizenship by travel.
> what i fucking LOVE is how you guys say trust the government, trust
> the Congress, when a few months ago you were castigating them for
> being nothing but a bunch of crooks and torturing warmongering liars
> who gave us TARP, bailouts, bank bonuses, and another $20T in debt.
> Now, all the establishment has rallied around the establishment
> candidate and they are the ones who continue to give life to this
> birther movement the same fucking way as Busch gave life to all the
> 9/11 critics by playing the same "State Secret" bullshit.
If you don't trust a state's department of vital statistics, then I guess
it just sucks to be you.
> What I do NOT want to see happen is when the inevitable economic
> downturn resumes that suddenly, someone decides that this useful idiot
> is no longer useful then in the midst of national financial issues, we
> have shit come out that shows he was a dual citizen and therefore
> ineligible to serve and so then what happens?
The only thing that matters is birth in the US. Dual citizenship simply
doesn't matter.
You're an ignoramus, as you've amply demonstrated. Who are you to call
Obama an idiot?
> The Congress is so corrupt and the DNC so thoroughly corrupt (along
> with the RNC) that their calculus if such information exists was we
> want THIS guy because HE CAN WIN and they figure they can sue and play
> political games with their cronies all over the county to suppress any
> real discovery just like Busch's people circled the fucking wagons
> during his administration.
It's Bush, you ignoramus. No 'c'
>
> To be blunt, the fundamental issue is NOT bama and NOT where the fuck
> he was born,
Then why are you whining about it?
> it is the effing government playing bullshit games trying
> to suppress information. With respect to 911 now we have all these
> people who saw how steadfastly Busch fought discovery on what was
> known and when and they took from that that it was an inside job,
> which is utterly ridiculous. But what is INARGUABLE is that ANYONE
> reasonable, judging Busch's behavior, would believe that INDEED he DID
> have something to hide!
>
> I mean, any juror or attorney or investigator or even cop would
> BELIEVE that by their actions they demonstrated that they very much
> had something to hide! Obviously, whatever it was was embarrassing or
> highly damaging to them. Bama is acting the SAME WAY with respect to
> historical information about himself as Busch did on any number of
> topics. There's smoke, I wonder what the fire is.
In your eyes, I guess. A certified copy of a public record is good
enough for any court. If it's not good enough for you, then I guess it
just sucks to be you.
>
> Trav
>
Deadrat
news:b6ee3866-eb1c-43dd...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>> By issuing
>> this:http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
>
> That isn't actually a birth certificate. Hawaii certificates of live
> birth are computer-generated and there are multitudes of examples of
> their being fraudulently obtained.
Name one.
>
> Try again, dude...seriously.
No, "dude," the COLB is a certified public document and has the
rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. Got any rebuttal?
Didn't think so.
>
>> ... which the state has now twice publicly reaffirmed.
>
> Trust them. Sure. Sounds like a fine idea!
That's the law.
>
>> There is no way around this. Obama in fact is the ONLY presidential
>> candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
>> citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
>> certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
>
> This would be true if that were actually his birth certificate, which
> has not been released.
You've got a certified public record. Rebut away.
Oh, your speculations aren't evidence.
Suppose Hawaii released more documents. Wouldn't you just claim that
those were forged? There's no end to rightard ignorance.
> Honestly, if you're going to make elementary mistakes like assuming a
> Cert of Live Birth is the same as the actual birth certificate, then
> you may as well shut up.
A COLB is a certified public record, good evidence in any court. If it's
not good enough for you, then I guess it sucks to be you.
>
> Really doesn't matter to me,
So you'll stop posting nonsense about this then?
> I have no reason to believe that they
> couldn't forge any document he needed to have forged to be
> President...don't really care where he was born and I figure he
> probably was born in Hawaii, even though Hawaii is claiming
> "privilege"
Yeah, the "privilege" of state law.
> on the issues that went into their determination that he
> was born there and they are fighting FOIA suits to release any info or
> conversations on the matter.
You don't get information via FOIA on private matters.
>
> What I find more interesting is how so many were of the mistaken
> belief that he was foreign born. I stick to the simplest explanation,
> that Bama is a FRAUD who spun a bullshit narrative about himself and
> that there are highly embarrasing pieces of information lingering
> around in his passport records or on his actual birth cert.
Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, that's the "simplest" explanation. Would that
make you a simpleton?
> Still
> like to know also how he managed to be in Indonesia in 1982 and
> apparently went to Pakistan as well. These types of things should not
> have been possible for a US citizen.
Now you're just making things up. You claim Obama's travel was illegal?
Then cite the law. Then cite the law that makes that fact relevant to
citizenship.
I'll wait.
>
> This is kinda like how the CIA says NO of COURSE we didn't torture
> anyone, TRUST US, and then they fight every FOIA request tooth and
> nail, Busch
Bush! Bush! Bush! You ignoramus!
> claims "executive privilege," the tapes get erased, the
> documents shredded and they all say TRUST US. From Iran Contra to
> this, it's been one LONG sequence of nothing but fucking lies and
> evasion from government.
>
> TARP, bailouts, the FED refusing audit, the Iraq War, 911, bama's
> history, Whitewater and the rest of that Mena shit...it just goes on
> and on and on.
Which of these things is different from the others?
>
> Face facts, if this was a GOP president, you'd be ALL OVER IT.
Actually, if this were McCain, there would be a valid issue as to whether
he was naturally born.
> Rather
> rushed to breaking news on CBS primetime on FAR less than this shit.
> The MSM punditry had feeding frenzies on FAR flimsier information
> about the last President, while totally ignoring criminal dealings by
> his predecessor, nevermind the notorious philandering EVERYONE knew he
> was up to in Ark prior to HIS race.
Flimsier? It's been established that Bush lied repeatedly about Iraq.
Clinton? There's been no proof of his criminality. Just more rightard
lies.
>
> I'm just frankly sick and tired of our goverment constantly behaving
> as if they have something to hide and then we subsequently find out
> that YES THEY DID.
It'll take a while to get over 8 years of Bush and Cheney.
> We find out that the Cheney axis wanted a war with
> iraq evidence be damend and NOBODY DOES SHIT. Bama comes in saying
> Ima close Gitmo and it's STILL OPEN. He and the Dems came in in 2008
> and 2006 saying they'd END the wars and we're instead SURGING them.
Congress passed a law preventing Obama from spending any funds to close
Gitmo. What do you want him to do?
>
> TARP has been a total crackup of nonstop fraud...but, on THIS, yes, I
> should TRUST the government to be telling the truth despite the
> appearance of obfuscation and that 1.5 year old web archives of papers
> are getting modified wihle I'm looking at them.
Who cares about web archives of newspapers? Only you seem to think
they're relevant to anything.
> This conman may or may not have been born in Hawaii, whatever...
Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
> but something is
> definitely up just as surely as the entire truth about 911 was never
> disclosed (that truth most LIKELY being that the government was
> INCOMPETENT, that they had information sufficient to stop the attacks
> but failed to act because of their own stupidity).
>
> So you tell me we'll have another blue-ribbon commission that will
> brush it all under the rug - fantastic!
It *really* sucks to be you, doesn't it?
>
> Trav
>
trav...@aol.com
>
> The article contained an error, the paper corrected the error, and gave
> notice of the correction at the top of the article.
lol...yeah, a year and a half later. I find it curious that his
hometown paper and/or a fellow Illinois democrap seemed to believe he
was born in Indonesia...wonder where they got that crazy idea from.
> Orly is a she. She's the leading attorney in the Birther's attempt to
> get the federal courts to throw Obama out of office.
Who gives a fuck?
> Because rightards are grasping at straws trying to overturn a valid
> election. How did Bill O'Reilly get the impression that Americans
> commited war crimes at Malmedy? How did Glen Beck get the impression
> that Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people? How did Rush
> Limbaugh get the impression that Obama's Columbia thesis called for the
> redistribution of wealth?
Why in the fuck would I care what these people think?
How the fuck did Dan Rather get the impression that the Busch NG memo
was anything other than fraudulent?
> When you're an ideologue, ignorance comes easy.
lol...you just described yourself.
> Obama lived in Indonesia when he was young. The reporter made a mistake.
so did Ms. Duckworth. Apparently these types of mistakes seem to be
real common where this guy is concerned.
> The reporter made a mistake. The state of Hawaii says Obama was born in
> Honolulu.
Yet they won't release any information about how they arrived at this
determination.
> You can't even keep the lies straight, can you? Keyes says that Obama's
> Kenyan relatives say that Obama was born in Kenya. But that's based on
> some rightard's taped interview with some Obama relatives in which the
> *interviewer* tries to get the relatives to say that Obama was born in
> Kenya, which they actually deny.
Keyes claims that Bama told him he was born in Kenya.
> If you don't want to accept the word of state officials, then I guess it
> just sucks to be you, eh? For rightard ignoramuses, *nothing* will
> settle this once and for all. For rational people, it's already settled.
Busch said that they didn't torture. Busch said we needed to go to
Iraq.
WTF is wrong with you people that you won't accept the word of State
officials?
> You can't even keep your lies straight, can you? Rightards claim that
> Obama traveled to *Pakistan*, not Indonesia, under a travel ban. But
> there was no such ban. And the US doesn't care about dual citizenship.
I give not a shit what rightards claim. As for dual citizenship, that
question has never been addressed. You saying the guy is a dual
citizen?
> And irrelevant. US citizens cannot lose their citizenship by travel.
Well if there's no record of his going to pakistan to visit his mom,
then it'd have been under a different nation's passport.
> If you don't trust a state's department of vital statistics, then I guess
> it just sucks to be you.
'Course, THEY are telling the truth because it's about NeO.
> The only thing that matters is birth in the US. Dual citizenship simply
> doesn't matter.
Of course it does.
> You're an ignoramus, as you've amply demonstrated. Who are you to call
> Obama an idiot?
Same person as to call YOU an idiot.
> It's Bush, you ignoramus. No 'c'
And it's not O'BAMMA EITHER you stupid fuck. Get it yet?
> Then why are you whining about it?
I'm not.
> In your eyes, I guess. A certified copy of a public record is good
> enough for any court. If it's not good enough for you, then I guess it
> just sucks to be you.
That EXACT same record - I have one from CA - is NOT good enough for a
court or to get a passport. They required me to procure an actual
birth certificate from the state.
Trav
Deadrat
65eb-44bc-aa9...@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> You must have missed that the paper says it printed the correction on
>> Jan. 15, 2006, in its print edition, one week after the original story
>> was published. Some newspapers update their online archives with
>> corrections; this one apparently did not until the nutbars started
>> circling.
>>
>> It's good when mistakes are corrected, no?
>
> Did you miss where I told you that that correction line was added
> YESTERDAY? It was added in between my first post referencing it and
> the one where I repasted the links.
>
> The correction itself was made on 10/15 after some people discovered
> the article.
So what?
>> Because they are rabid racists and fascists who hate havign an
>> intelligent articulate black man replace their nitwit.
>
> Wow...the fucking race card. Alan Keyes is a rabid racist and
> fascist. o...k...
>
> Just wow. You people are fucking pathetic. There's really no point
> in responding to anything you say after this idiocy.
Keyes is batshit crazy and dogshit stupid. I got to observe his Senate
campaign against Obama. He really is as far right as you can get. Racist?
No evidence for that.
But there are plenty of racists opposing Obama. If you haven't seen any,
then you're not looking.
> Trav
>
Deadrat
news:4f4dab0b-9215-41aa...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> Yes. �What's your point?
>>
>> The article contained an error, the paper corrected the error, and
>> gave notice of the correction at the top of the article.
>
> lol...yeah, a year and a half later. I find it curious that his
> hometown paper and/or a fellow Illinois democrap seemed to believe he
> was born in Indonesia...wonder where they got that crazy idea from.
I dunno. Where do you get your ideas?
>
>> Orly is a she. �She's the leading attorney in the Birther's attempt
>> to get the federal courts to throw Obama out of office.
>
> Who gives a fuck?
She's your ideological buddy. Own it.
>
>> Because rightards are grasping at straws trying to overturn a valid
>> election. �How did Bill O'Reilly get the impression that Americans
>> commited war crimes at Malmedy? �How did Glen Beck get the impression
>> that Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people? �How did Rush
>> Limbaugh get the impression that Obama's Columbia thesis called for
>> the redistribution of wealth?
>
> Why in the fuck would I care what these people think?
They're your ideological buddies. Own it.
> How the fuck did Dan Rather get the impression that the Busch NG memo
> was anything other than fraudulent?
>
>> When you're an ideologue, ignorance comes easy.
>
> lol...you just described yourself.
lol? Is that one of those intertube abbreviations that the kids use?
I may be an ideologue, but you couldn't tell from what I've posted. I've
given you accurate information about US citizenship laws, and I've
corrected your many mistakes. How does that make me an ideologue?
>
>> Obama lived in Indonesia when he was young. �The reporter made a
>> mistake.
>
> so did Ms. Duckworth. Apparently these types of mistakes seem to be
> real common where this guy is concerned.
And your conclusion is?
>
>> The reporter made a mistake. �The state of Hawaii says Obama was born
>> in Honolulu.
>
> Yet they won't release any information about how they arrived at this
> determination.
They don't have to.
>
>> You can't even keep the lies straight, can you? �Keyes says that
>> Obama's
>> Kenyan relatives say that Obama was born in Kenya. �But that's based
>> on some rightard's taped interview with some Obama relatives in which
>> the *interviewer* tries to get the relatives to say that Obama was
>> born in Kenya, which they actually deny.
>
> Keyes claims that Bama told him he was born in Kenya.
Cite, please. I've never heard that.
>
>> If you don't want to accept the word of state officials, then I guess
>> it just sucks to be you, eh? �For rightard ignoramuses, *nothing*
>> will settle this once and for all. �For rational people, it's already
>> settled.
>
> Busch said that they didn't torture. Busch said we needed to go to
> Iraq.
>
> WTF is wrong with you people that you won't accept the word of State
> officials?
When state officials have reason to lie, then I suspect them of lying.
What reason would Republican officials in Hawaii have to lie about
Obama's citizenship.
>
>> You can't even keep your lies straight, can you? �Rightards claim
>> that Obama traveled to *Pakistan*, not Indonesia, under a travel ban.
>> �But there was no such ban. �And the US doesn't care about dual
>> citizenship.
>
> I give not a shit what rightards claim. As for dual citizenship, that
> question has never been addressed. You saying the guy is a dual
> citizen?
No, he's not. I'm saying that even if he were, it wouldn't affect his
eligibility for the Presidency.
>
>> And irrelevant. �US citizens cannot lose their citizenship by travel.
>
> Well if there's no record of his going to pakistan to visit his mom,
> then it'd have been under a different nation's passport.
First of all, you ignoramus, his mother was a US citizen. She was never
in Pakistan. Secondly, there's no reason that a US passport wouldn't
have been good enough to enter Pakistan. Thirdly, even if Obama used
another nation's passport, it wouldn't affect his citizenship.
Wow! You could actually *be* Orly Taitz.
>> If you don't trust a state's department of vital statistics, then I
>> guess it just sucks to be you.
>
> 'Course, THEY are telling the truth because it's about NeO.
>
>> The only thing that matters is birth in the US. �Dual citizenship
>> simply
>> doesn't matter.
>
> Of course it does.
Sorry. I guess it matters to you. I've actually read the USC on
citizenship. And guess what? Dual citizenship doesn't matter *to the
law*
>> You're an ignoramus, as you've amply demonstrated. �Who are you to
>> call Obama an idiot?
>
> Same person as to call YOU an idiot.
With the same authority, I guess.
>
>> It's Bush, you ignoramus. �No 'c'
>
> And it's not O'BAMMA EITHER you stupid fuck. Get it yet?
It's Obama, so no, I don't get it.
>
>> Then why are you whining about it?
>
> I'm not.
All of these posts are just whines, aren't they. They're certainly fact
free.
>
>> In your eyes, I guess. �A certified copy of a public record is good
>> enough for any court. �If it's not good enough for you, then I guess
>> it just sucks to be you.
>
> That EXACT same record - I have one from CA - is NOT good enough for a
> court or to get a passport. They required me to procure an actual
> birth certificate from the state.
A got a COLB from my state of birth. It got me a passport.
I guess it just sucks to be you.
>
> Trav
>
hal
<trav...@aol.com> wrote:
>How the fuck did Dan Rather get the impression that the Busch NG memo
>was anything other than fraudulent?
For one thing, the lady that typed it said it was true. And not one
single person ever was found who remembered seeing Bush at his duty
assignment at the time. Rather concluded the memo was true because it
was.
>That EXACT same record - I have one from CA - is NOT good enough for a
>court or to get a passport. They required me to procure an actual
>birth certificate from the state.
of course.
>
>Trav
Sam the Bam
> But there are plenty of racists opposing Obama.
Nowhere near as many as the racists supporting him...
> If you haven't seen any,then you're not looking.
lol
Sam
Finis McGuiness
>And your conclusion is?
>>
>>> The reporter made a mistake. �The state of Hawaii says Obama was born
>>> in Honolulu.
>>
>> Yet they won't release any information about how they arrived at this
>> determination.
>
>They don't have to.
Why hasn't a birther lawsuit been served on the record keepers of
Hawaii to force them to bring whatever records they have of Obama's
birth to court? I think I know why. Because by forcing that, the
birthers will be shown to be full of crap.
hal
It's already been done. Hawaii has released the official birth
records. They've already proven Obama's birth in Hawaii. That's why
this whole thing is so stupid. It's been asked and answered over and
over.
Deadrat
198f5d...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Republican mayor of Los Alamitos, CA sends email with a photoshopped image
of the White House next to a watermelon field.
Conservative activist (anti health insurance reform, natch) sends
photoshopped picture of Obama as a witch doctor.
Kentucky Republican Congressman calls Obama "that boy."
Rush Limbaugh plays the song "Barack the Magic Negro."
But please, let's have an example of racists who support Obama. And save
yourself the humiliation of pointing to Jeremiah Wright. According to an
Op-Ed piece in the Chicago Tribune, Wright counseled a black woman in his
congregation to marry a white man in his congregation, when the woman broke
her engagement to the man because she thought an inter-racial marriage
would do a disservice to her race. The piece was written by the husband.
> Sam
Deadrat
news:om7pe5t1b7956msm5...@4ax.com:
Standing, for one. State law, for two.
trav...@aol.com
> rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. Got any rebuttal?
Let's see the original cert then.
> That's the law.
LOL.
> Suppose Hawaii released more documents. Wouldn't you just claim that
> those were forged? There's no end to rightard ignorance.
No, there's no end to your ignorance. Who the fuck ever said I was
right wing? You? HAHAHAHAHA. You're so fucking stupid you'd say
literally anything.
I haven't made any claims about the document being authentic or not,
you stupid fuck; I merely rebutted YOUR claims about it.
> A COLB is a certified public record, good evidence in any court. If it's
> not good enough for you, then I guess it sucks to be you.
No, it's great to be me, what sucks is to be a moron like you.
> So you'll stop posting nonsense about this then?
I wasn't the one who crossposted it to your fucking group in the first
place, dumbshit.
> Yeah, the "privilege" of state law.
LOL...no. Obviously you're not on misc.legal.
> You don't get information via FOIA on private matters.
The determinations of an attorney general are not private matters, you
idiot.
> Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, that's the "simplest" explanation. Would that
> make you a simpleton?
No, it makes you a retard.
> Now you're just making things up. You claim Obama's travel was illegal?
> Then cite the law. Then cite the law that makes that fact relevant to
> citizenship.
I made no such claims, MORON. I merely point out the anomaly.
> I'll wait.
Wait in the line to get a brain while you're there.
> Bush! Bush! Bush! You ignoramus!
Ah the chant of the leftards.
> Which of these things is different from the others?
The part where a GOP president did them so a leftard like you cares.
> Actually, if this were McCain, there would be a valid issue as to whether
> he was naturally born.
Nope. A Congressional Commission ruled that he was. Of course,
that's not good enough for you because he has an "R" next to his name.
> Flimsier? It's been established that Bush lied repeatedly about Iraq.
Oh, of COURSE it has. It's been TOTALLY established because,
well...because he's BUSCH. And we all know that repugnicons do
nothing but lie.
> Clinton? There's been no proof of his criminality. Just more rightard
> lies.
Not even going to bother to read the rest of your idiotic post after
this one. You've proven yourself to be nothing more than another
leftarded partisan cheerleader with a couple of fucking pompoms.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> Hawaii to force them to bring whatever records they have of Obama's
> birth to court? I think I know why. Because by forcing that, the
> birthers will be shown to be full of crap.
It has. Hawaii is fighting the suit.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> single person ever was found who remembered seeing Bush at his duty
> assignment at the time. Rather concluded the memo was true because it
> was.
It, um...wasn't true. It was a forgery and a fraud.
Perhaps you missed that. It essentially cost Rather his credibility
and his career.
And 9/11 was an inside job....right, hal? I mean you said it was.
You refuse to believe anything to the contrary.
I marvel at the insane shit you believe when it's something negative
about a repugnicon. And how stupid you and the rest of the people on
this thread are. We're literally going to have to kill every one of
you.
> of course.
But I can be President with it, I guess. I have computer-generated
COLBs for my kids. No signatures, just some print on an "official"
piece of paper.
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > By issuing this:http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
>
> That isn't actually a birth certificate.
Sorry but you’re wrong.
That’s exactly and only what it is. That is it’s only purpose for
existing. When one writes to the state or county of birth and asks for
a certified copy of one’s birth certificate, this is what you get. I
know. I have done it in three separate states for myself and two of my
kids to get passports.
> Hawaii certificates of live
> birth are computer-generated and there are multitudes of examples of
> their being fraudulently obtained.
Not this one, dearie. Hawaii verified it. It’s for real. Cannot
possibly be forged. Case closed.
> Try again, dude...seriously.
No need, I succeeded the first time. And I am not “dude,” dearie.
The COLB really does settle the matter without question.
> > ... which the state has now twice publicly reaffirmed.
>
> Trust them. Sure. Sounds like a fine idea!
Yep.
Is that all ya have, incredulity? I am afraid that’s simply not
enough. You can make up all the conspiracy theories you want about
Hawaii’s governor and registrar lying and Obama killing his grandma to
shut her up and ordering documents sealed, but at the end of the day,
you have nothing.
> > There is no way around this. Obama in fact is the ONLY presidential
> > candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
> > citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
> > certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
>
> This would be true if that were actually his birth certificate, which
> has not been released.
It is and it has. That is exactly what the COLB does.
> Honestly, if you're going to make elementary mistakes like assuming a
> Cert of Live Birth is the same as the actual birth certificate, then
> you may as well shut up.
Sorry but I win. That is what states now issue, and it proves the fact
of birth at the time and place indicated. You can tell the people who
know better than you to shut up all day long, but you still have
nothing at all.
> Really doesn't matter to me, I have no reason to believe that they
> couldn't forge any document he needed to have forged to be
> President...
A wild ass claim for which no evidence exists.
> don't really care where he was born and I figure he
> probably was born in Hawaii, even though Hawaii is claiming
> "privilege" on the issues that went into their determination that he
> was born there and they are fighting FOIA suits to release any info or
> conversations on the matter.
No they’re not claiming anything. It’s the longstanding law and it
applies to everyone. No special treatment at all.
Oh wait, there was special treatment and it was in the direction of
disclosure. Hawaii took the highly unusual step, because of you insane
nutbars, to publicly announce TWICE that yes, the records exist and
show that Obama was born there.
> What I find more interesting is how so many were of the mistaken
> belief that he was foreign born.
They desperately want to believe it rather than accept that America
elected an eloquent and capable black man as president. Their minds
rebel and they need to find a way to nullify it.
> I stick to the simplest explanation,
> that Bama is a FRAUD who spun a bullshit narrative about himself and
> that there are highly embarrasing pieces of information lingering
> around in his passport records or on his actual birth cert.
That is by no means a “simple” explanation, cupcake. You’re just
making shit up as you go along. What bullshit narrative, what fraud?
There is no evidence e manifest of anything that you say. The fact
that opponents choose to make up lies does not indicate Obama is
involved in it.
What embarrassing information?
> Still
> like to know also how he managed to be in Indonesia in 1982 and
> apparently went to Pakistan as well.
What’s wrong with that? He had a Pakistani friend, and he had
relatives in Indonesia. What in your crazed mind is “suspect” about
how he “managed” to be there? I suppose he boarded a plane just like
everyone else. You seem childishly amazed at simple little things.
Why?
> These types of things should not
> have been possible for a US citizen.
Why is that? Are you nuts? Why would it have been impossible for a US
citizen to travel to Pakistan or Indonesia? Are you making shit up
again?
> This is kinda like how the CIA says NO of COURSE we didn't torture
> anyone, TRUST US, and then they fight every FOIA request tooth and
> nail, Busch claims "executive privilege," the tapes get erased, the
> documents shredded and they all say TRUST US. From Iran Contra to
> this, it's been one LONG sequence of nothing but fucking lies and
> evasion from government.
Actually it is nothing at all like that, of course. You’re just saying
that because you want it to be so. Sorry. Reality bites.
> TARP, bailouts, the FED refusing audit, the Iraq War, 911, bama's
> history, Whitewater and the rest of that Mena shit...it just goes on
> and on and on.
Wow, you really got a bad case of the kooks.
> Face facts, if this was a GOP president, you'd be ALL OVER IT.
Nope. Even though McCain’s natural born status was truly suspect, I
supported the legal arguments that he met the eligibility requirement
despite his foreign birth.
> Rather
> rushed to breaking news on CBS primetime on FAR less than this shit.
There is nothing here, dearie. Nothing. You’re saying it doesn’t make
it materialize.
> The MSM punditry had feeding frenzies on FAR flimsier information
> about the last President, while totally ignoring criminal dealings by
> his predecessor,
Like what? A blow job isn’t criminal yet.
> nevermind the notorious philandering EVERYONE knew he
> was up to in Ark prior to HIS race.
Why does that matter to you?
> I'm just frankly sick and tired of our goverment constantly behaving
> as if they have something to hide and then we subsequently find out
> that YES THEY DID.
Maybe this time no it doesn’t’. Ever wonder about that?
> We find out that the Cheney axis wanted a war with
> iraq evidence be damend and NOBODY DOES SHIT. Bama comes in saying
> Ima close Gitmo and it's STILL OPEN.
He is closing it, dearie. He didn’t say it was gonna close
immediately. Never did.
> He and the Dems came in in 2008
> and 2006 saying they'd END the wars and we're instead SURGING them.
You’re lying again.
Obama consistently has said Afghanistan is the place to focus, and he
is pulling all combat troops out of Iraq. Try to keep up.
> TARP has been a total crackup of nonstop fraud...but, on THIS, yes, I
> should TRUST the government to be telling the truth despite the
> appearance of obfuscation and that 1.5 year old web archives of papers
> are getting modified wihle I'm looking at them.
What makes you think you actually have something here? The paper made
an error, corrected it within SEVEN days in the 2006 print edition.
Now that they find it on the online archive, they correct it there
too. Why do you find a private business’ error to be Obama’s fault?
Are you on drugs? How does this action on the newspaper’s part reflect
on Obama?
> This conman may or
> may not have been born in Hawaii,
He was, and he is not a conman. You are trying to be a conman here,
but you sure as hell haven’t come up with anything on Obama. Just your
blather.
> whatever...but something is
> definitely up
Your blood pressure no doubt.
> just as surely as the entire truth about 911 was never
> disclosed (that truth most LIKELY being that the government was
> INCOMPETENT, that they had information sufficient to stop the attacks
> but failed to act because of their own stupidity).
More conspiracy. How do you live with yourself?
> So you tell me we'll have another blue-ribbon commission that will
> brush it all under the rug - fantastic!
Nope. It’s case closed. All the info is out and public. Nothing’s
under the rug.
Now please explain your conniption about him going to Indonesia and
Pakistan. I await.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > You must have missed that the paper says it printed the correction on
> > Jan. 15, 2006, in its print edition, one week after the original story
> > was published. Some newspapers update their online archives with
> > corrections; this one apparently did not until the nutbars started
> > circling.
>
> > It's good when mistakes are corrected, no?
>
> Did you miss where I told you that that correction line was added
> YESTERDAY?
No. So what? Are you saying that mistakes should be kept in perpetuity
if they are not corrected immediately? I mean, waht really is your
point? You don't seem to actually have one other than that you want a
falsehood to be retained in an archive.
> It was added in between my first post referencing it and
> the one where I repasted the links.
So what? It was corrected in the print edition ONE WEEK after the
error was made nearly four years ago.
> The correction itself was made on 10/15 after some people discovered
> the article.
Good. That's a good thing, right? I really don't understand your
problem here.
> > Because they are rabid racists and fascists who hate havign an
> > intelligent articulate black man replace their nitwit.
>
> Wow...the fucking race card.
It's obvious. You must not get out much. You haven't read many of the
"nigger" posts, have ya.
> Alan Keyes is a rabid racist and
> fascist. o...k...
No, he's just an asshole kook.
> Just wow. You people are fucking pathetic.
Oh the IRONY of it all!
> There's really no point
> in responding to anything you say after this idiocy.
That's because you are incapable of making a cogent response since, at
the end of the day, you really have nothing worthwhile to say other
than that when an old mistake is discovered it should NOT be corrected
so that people can still read the error. Is that all?
Oh, and you make shit up about being impossible to travel to Pakistan
and all...
You're delusional, ol' Trav.
>
> Trav
Deadrat
news:b5606c67-2b22-4fde...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>> No, "dude," the COLB is a certified public document and has the
>> rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. �Got any
>> rebuttal?
>
> Let's see the original cert then.
>
>> That's the law.
>
> LOL.
"LOL." The braying of the cyberjackass. In these days of terrorist
threats and identify theft, you get a certification of what's on file at
your state's department of vital statistics. Don't believe me? Go
ahead. Check the regulations of Hawaii's department. It's online. Or
ask your state for your own "original cert." See what you get.
>
>> Suppose Hawaii released more documents. �Wouldn't you just claim that
>> those were forged? �There's no end to rightard ignorance.
>
> No, there's no end to your ignorance. Who the fuck ever said I was
> right wing? You? HAHAHAHAHA. You're so fucking stupid you'd say
> literally anything.
Another ignoramus who doesn't know what "literally" means.
If you lie down with rightards -- and that's what birthers are -- then
you get up with lies.
> I haven't made any claims about the document being authentic or not,
> you stupid fuck; I merely rebutted YOUR claims about it.
You have rebutted nothing, since you have posted nothing but whining.
>
>> A COLB is a certified public record, good evidence in any court. �If
>> it's
>> not good enough for you, then I guess it sucks to be you.
>
> No, it's great to be me,
Then why are you whining to this newsgroup?
> what sucks is to be a moron like you.
And yet, I know the law, and you're an ignoramus. Go figure.
>
>> So you'll stop posting nonsense about this then?
>
> I wasn't the one who crossposted it to your fucking group in the first
> place, dumbshit.
I'll take that as a no.
>
>> Yeah, the "privilege" of state law.
>
> LOL...no. Obviously you're not on misc.legal.
Your newsreader ought to tell you otherwise.
>
>> You don't get information via FOIA on private matters.
>
> The determinations of an attorney general are not private matters, you
> idiot.
And yet, I'm correct. The particulars of a person's birth is a matter
that's private to the person. Which is why you can't ask for a copy of
Obama's birth certificate.
>
>> Bwahahahahahaha! �Yeah, that's the "simplest" explanation. �Would tha
> t
>> make you a simpleton?
>
> No, it makes you a retard.
And yet, I'm the one who knows the law. Go figure.
>
>> Now you're just making things up. �You claim Obama's travel was
>> illegal
> ? �
>> Then cite the law. �Then cite the law that makes that fact relevant
>> to citizenship.
>
> I made no such claims, MORON. I merely point out the anomaly.
Backing away at 100mph, eh? There is no anomaly, and if you claim there
is, then cite the law that makes it so.
<snip/>
>> Bush! Bush! Bush! �You ignoramus!
>
> Ah the chant of the leftards.
No, that would be chant of people who know how to spell the ex-
President's last name.
>
>> Which of these things is different from the others?
>
> The part where a GOP president did them so a leftard like you cares.
You have no idea about my politics. If it matters, nothing about the
WPE's citizenship ever bothered me.
>
>> Actually, if this were McCain, there would be a valid issue as to
>> whether he was naturally born.
>
> Nope. A Congressional Commission ruled that he was.
You really are an ignoramus, aren't you? There was no "Congressional
Commission." There was a Congressional resolution stating that McCain
was natural born, but that's a Constitutional term, and only the Supreme
Court can interpret it. Were you asleep in civics class when they
covered the separation of powers?
> Of course,
> that's not good enough for you because he has an "R" next to his name.
All I said is that it's an issue. McCain was not born a citizen of the
US. He was born in the Canal Zone, which was never sovereign US
territory. He was naturalized by an act of Congress a couple of years
after he was born. If it ever became an issue, the Supreme Court could
well rule that a combination of jus solis and lex sanguinis was enough to
make McCain a natural born citizen.
>
>> Flimsier? �It's been established that Bush lied repeatedly about
>> Iraq.
>
> Oh, of COURSE it has. It's been TOTALLY established because,
> well...because he's BUSCH. And we all know that repugnicons do
> nothing but lie.
You can generally tell when a Republican is lying because his lips are
moving. But in Bush's case, there's actually documentary evidence, not
to mention those missing WMDs.
>
>> Clinton? �There's been no proof of his criminality. �Just more
>> rightard lies.
>
> Not even going to bother to read the rest of your idiotic post after
> this one. You've proven yourself to be nothing more than another
> leftarded partisan cheerleader with a couple of fucking pompoms.
As always, up to you Brave Sir Robin.
>
> Trav
>
hal
<trav...@aol.com> wrote:
>> For one thing, the lady that typed it said it was true. =A0And not one
>> single person ever was found who remembered seeing Bush at his duty
>> assignment at the time. =A0Rather concluded the memo was true because it
>> was. =A0
>
>It, um...wasn't true. It was a forgery and a fraud.
no, they were only able to shed a reasonable doubt on it's
authenticity. Everybody who was there at the time agreed that there
was no George Bush anywhere. He was AWOL, plain and simple, but
because his family has money and connections they were able to bury
it, including destroying any documented evidence.
Deadrat
8545-4915-815...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> For one thing, the lady that typed it said it was true. �And not one
>> single person ever was found who remembered seeing Bush at his duty
>> assignment at the time. �Rather concluded the memo was true because it
>> was. �
>
> It, um...wasn't true. It was a forgery and a fraud.
There's not much doubt that Bush failed to complete his duties in the
Naitonal Guard. For one, he refused an ordered flight physical. His
reason: he didn't think they needed him as an active pilot. There's also
not much doubt that the letter was forged.
>
> Perhaps you missed that. It essentially cost Rather his credibility
> and his career.
Indeed.
>
> And 9/11 was an inside job....right, hal? I mean you said it was.
> You refuse to believe anything to the contrary.
>
> I marvel at the insane shit you believe
And yet, you're the one who's a birther. Go figure.
> when it's something negative
> about a repugnicon. And how stupid you and the rest of the people on
> this thread are. We're literally going to have to kill every one of
> you.
How Republican of you.
>
>> of course.
>
> But I can be President with it, I guess. I have computer-generated
> COLBs for my kids. No signatures, just some print on an "official"
> piece of paper.
Oh, the horror!
You've reproduced?!?
>
> Trav
>
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Yes. What's your point?
>
> > The article contained an error, the paper corrected the error, and gave
> > notice of the correction at the top of the article.
>
> lol...yeah, a year and a half later.
Actually nearly four years later. So what? The PRINT edition… the real
newspaper itself… PRINTED the correction one week later on January
2006.
> I find it curious that his
> hometown paper and/or a fellow Illinois democrap seemed to believe he
> was born in Indonesia...wonder where they got that crazy idea from.
Nutbags. Mistakes. Whatever. Each day in the paper there are literally
dozens of errors in fact. The subjects of these mistakes are not to
blame for them. Try to remember that, Trav.
> > Because rightards are grasping at straws trying to overturn a valid
> > election. How did Bill O'Reilly get the impression that Americans
> > commited war crimes at Malmedy? How did Glen Beck get the impression
> > that Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people? How did Rush
> > Limbaugh get the impression that Obama's Columbia thesis called for the
> > redistribution of wealth?
>
> Why in the fuck would I care what these people think?
>
> How the fuck did Dan Rather get the impression that the Busch NG memo
> was anything other than fraudulent?
Because the information in it was true and was verified, as we know.
> > When you're an ideologue, ignorance comes easy.
>
> lol...you just described yourself.
More irony from a moron who “thinks” it was impossible for Obama to
get on a plane to visit family in Indonesia in 1982.
> > Obama lived in Indonesia when he was young. The reporter made a mistake.
>
> so did Ms. Duckworth. Apparently these types of mistakes seem to be
> real common where this guy is concerned.
Nope. Not common at all. Nearly everyone on the planet knows
otherwise.
> > The reporter made a mistake. The state of Hawaii says Obama was born in
> > Honolulu.
>
> Yet they won't release any information about how they arrived at this
> determination.
They did, of course. You’re lying. They gave Obama a certified COLB,
then after nutbags kept banging their drums, they took the highly
unusual step of TWICE verifying in public that yes, the records are
correct.
> > You can't even keep the lies straight, can you? Keyes says that Obama's
> > Kenyan relatives say that Obama was born in Kenya. But that's based on
> > some rightard's taped interview with some Obama relatives in which the
> > *interviewer* tries to get the relatives to say that Obama was born in
> > Kenya, which they actually deny.
>
> Keyes claims that Bama told him he was born in Kenya.
Then Keyes is of course a liar. I hadn’t heard that one before. Kindly
post a link to your cite.
> > If you don't want to accept the word of state officials, then I guess it
> > just sucks to be you, eh? For rightard ignoramuses, *nothing* will
> > settle this once and for all. For rational people, it's already settled.
>
> Busch said that they didn't torture. Busch said we needed to go to
> Iraq.
>
> WTF is wrong with you people that you won't accept the word of State
> officials?
What does Bush lying about Iraq have to do with the fact that the
vital stats of Hawaii show Obama being born in Honolulu? You’re saying
because Bush lied, Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu? Is your brain about
to explode?
> > You can't even keep your lies straight, can you? Rightards claim that
> > Obama traveled to *Pakistan*, not Indonesia, under a travel ban. But
> > there was no such ban. And the US doesn't care about dual citizenship.
>
> I give not a shit what rightards claim.
You claimed it too, moron. Either you give a shit or you don’t, make
up your clueless mind.
> As for dual citizenship, that
> question has never been addressed.
Yes it has.
> You saying the guy is a dual
> citizen?
Nope. He isn’t.
> > And irrelevant. US citizens cannot lose their citizenship by travel.
>
> Well if there's no record of his going to pakistan to visit his mom,
> then it'd have been under a different nation's passport.
Who says there’s no record? BTW, his mom was in Indonesia, not
Pakistan. Keep your kooktardery straight.
How could it have been under another nation’s passport? Why would it
have been? Passport records of individuals are private. That does not
mean they don’t exist. It means you don’t get to see them.
> > If you don't trust a state's department of vital statistics, then I guess
> > it just sucks to be you.
>
> 'Course, THEY are telling the truth because it's about NeO.
WTF? Are you on drugs?
> > The only thing that matters is birth in the US. Dual citizenship simply
> > doesn't matter.
>
> Of course it does.
All of a sudden, it matters to you ten lines after you said it didn’t?
Are you bipolar?
> > You're an ignoramus, as you've amply demonstrated. Who are you to call
> > Obama an idiot?
>
> Same person as to call YOU an idiot.
Oh, OK, then you’re simply wrong. Got it.
> > It's Bush, you ignoramus. No 'c'
>
> And it's not O'BAMMA EITHER you stupid fuck. Get it yet?
>
> > Then why are you whining about it?
>
> I'm not.
Evidence is to the contrary.
> > In your eyes, I guess. A certified copy of a public record is good
> > enough for any court. If it's not good enough for you, then I guess it
> > just sucks to be you.
>
> That EXACT same record - I have one from CA - is NOT good enough for a
> court or to get a passport.
Yes it is.
> They required me to procure an actual
> birth certificate from the state.
Obama’s IS an actual birth certificate from the state.
It is IDENTICAL IN FORM to the certified copies of birth certificates
I obtained from THREE SEPARATE STATES for me and two of my kids awhile
back to get our passports. IDENTICAL.
Why are you lying? That’s what I’d like to know.
Iarnrod
> On Oct 31, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> > But there are plenty of racists opposing Obama.
>
> Nowhere near as many as the racists supporting him...
I haven't seen any racists supporting him. Are you one of those
nutbars who says people who support a black candidate are racist?
<chuckle>
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > No, "dude," the COLB is a certified public document and has the
> > rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. Got any rebuttal?
>
> Let's see the original cert then.
No. Not needed. The COLB is necessarily the same thing.
> > That's the law.
>
> LOL.
Nice.
> I haven't made any claims about the document being authentic or not,
> you stupid fuck; I merely rebutted YOUR claims about it.
<chuckle> I need to point out to you, Trav, that you actually have
never been able to rebut something here. Your claims are ludicrous on
their face (travel ban to Indonesia and Pakistan?)
> > A COLB is a certified public record, good evidence in any court. If it's
> > not good enough for you, then I guess it sucks to be you.
>
> No, it's great to be me, what sucks is to be a moron like you.
Seeing as how you are utterly in the wrong, that was a rather stupid
thing to say.
> > You don't get information via FOIA on private matters.
>
> The determinations of an attorney general are not private matters, you
> idiot.
The AG has no involvement in this, YOU idiot.
> > Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, that's the "simplest" explanation. Would that
> > make you a simpleton?
>
> No, it makes you a retard.
Oh the irony! You make up a completely insane scenario contraindicated
by all the evidence, and somehow YOU are smart and other people are
“simpletons!” Priceless.
> > Now you're just making things up. You claim Obama's travel was illegal?
> > Then cite the law. Then cite the law that makes that fact relevant to
> > citizenship.
>
> I made no such claims, MORON. I merely point out the anomaly.
Sorry but you have not yet pointed to any anomaly about a person
flying to Indonesia or Pakistan in 1982. Millions of people likely did
it. What is anomalous about this?
> > I'll wait.
>
> Wait in the line to get a brain while you're there.
More supreme irony.
> > Bush! Bush! Bush! You ignoramus!
>
> Ah the chant of the leftards.
>
> > Which of these things is different from the others?
>
> The part where a GOP president did them so a leftard like you cares.
>
> > Actually, if this were McCain, there would be a valid issue as to whether
> > he was naturally born.
>
> Nope. A Congressional Commission ruled that he was.
No it didn’t. The Senate passed a non-binding courtesy resolution with
no force or effect. The issue remains unresolved. While I would argue
on McCain’s side, it is still a fact that it is unresolved.
> > Clinton? There's been no proof of his criminality. Just more rightard
> > lies.
>
> Not even going to bother to read the rest of your idiotic post after
> this one.
In other words, you got BUSTED and you have no proof. Just like Starr.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > For one thing, the lady that typed it said it was true. And not one
> > single person ever was found who remembered seeing Bush at his duty
> > assignment at the time. Rather concluded the memo was true because it
> > was.
>
> It, um...wasn't true. It was a forgery and a fraud.
Bzzzzzzt! Wrong.
Hey, all of a sudden Trav here BELIEVES the gubmint!!
Too fuckin' funny!
> But I can be President with it, I guess. I have computer-generated
> COLBs for my kids. No signatures, just some print on an "official"
> piece of paper.
Obama's COLB *is* signed, dearie. It's official. What is interesting
in all your insanity is the FACT that NO PRESIDENT before Obama ever
proved he was a natural born citizen before the election by releasing
his birth certificate. Obama MADE HISTORY by doing this and you
nutbars pretend he's the only one who hasn't! That's just too funny!
If you weren't so insanely delusional, you'd prpobably laugh at it
too.,
Hey, remember to give us your cite for this mysterious travel ban to
Pakistan and Indonesia that only you seem to know about, mmmmm-kay?
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> "trav...@aol.cominyrface" <trav...@aol.com> wrote in
> news:b6ee3866-eb1c-43dd...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> By issuing
>>> this:http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
>>
>> That isn't actually a birth certificate. Hawaii certificates of live
>> birth are computer-generated and there are multitudes of examples of
>> their being fraudulently obtained.
>
> Name one.
>>
>> Try again, dude...seriously.
>
> No, "dude," the COLB is a certified public document and has the
> rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. Got any rebuttal?
Yes. A Certificate of Live Birth is not considered acceptable
documentation to apply for or receive a Federal job. Only a copy with the
physical Seal (no "electronic seal") is acceptable. The Feds know that a
Certificate of Live Birth is not "good enough."
Personally, I think Trav is probably right; The Chosen One (aka "Barry")
probably was born in Hawaii, but had been telling bull crap lies to
enhance his "story" which would further his political career.
(IH)
Rabid Weasel Lawson
>> Let's see the original cert then.
>
> No. Not needed. The COLB is necessarily the same thing.
Not according to the Feds. Try to apply for a Federal job using the
Certificate of Live Birth and see how far that gets you.
(IH)
Iarnrod
+dayton.net> wrote:
> Yes. A Certificate of Live Birth is not considered acceptable
> documentation to apply for or receive a Federal job.
That's wrong. It is perfectlyl acceptable.
Only a copy with the
> physical Seal (no "electronic seal") is acceptable.
Obama's COLB has a physical, embossed state seal.
> The Feds know that a
> Certificate of Live Birth is not "good enough."
That's a lie of course. COLBs are accepted. I used COLBs to get
passports. Why are you lying?
> Personally, I think Trav is probably right;
"Trav" has been proven wrong on every single point. If you think he's
right that makes you a moron.
> The Chosen One (aka "Barry")
> probably was born in Hawaii, but had been telling bull crap lies to
> enhance his "story" which would further his political career.
Name one, KKKook.
hal
>> But I can be President with it, I guess. I have computer-generated
>> COLBs for my kids. No signatures, just some print on an "official"
>> piece of paper.
>
>Oh, the horror!
>
>You've reproduced?!?
Frightening, isn't it?
>>
>> Trav
>>
>
Finis MacGuiness
I think you are partly right, according to the Wikipedia article on
Andy Martin:
"On October 17, 2008, Martin filed a lawsuit in a state circuit court
of Hawaii against Governor Linda Lingle and health department director
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, seeking to verify the state's official birth
certificate of Barack Obama.[16] Martin was quoted as saying, "I want
to see a certified copy issued by the state of Hawai'i, not one issued
by the state of Obama."[16] On November 19, the court denied Martin's
"emergency motion" and dismissed the lawsuit on the grounds of
Martin's lack of legal standing to obtain another person's birth
document.[17]".
So the birthers can't come with anybody who has the legal standing to
obtain Obama's "real" birth certificate?
Deadrat
news:pan.2009.11.01.01.45.57.571102@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:30:42 -0500, Deadrat wrote:
>
>> "trav...@aol.cominyrface" <trav...@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:b6ee3866-eb1c-43dd...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com
>> :
>>
>>>> By issuing
>>>> this:http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
>>>
>>> That isn't actually a birth certificate. Hawaii certificates of
>>> live birth are computer-generated and there are multitudes of
>>> examples of their being fraudulently obtained.
>>
>> Name one.
>>>
>>> Try again, dude...seriously.
>>
>> No, "dude," the COLB is a certified public document and has the
>> rebuttable presumption of truth in any court of law. Got any
>> rebuttal?
>
> Yes. A Certificate of Live Birth is not considered acceptable
> documentation to apply for or receive a Federal job. Only a copy with
> the physical Seal (no "electronic seal") is acceptable. The Feds know
> that a Certificate of Live Birth is not "good enough."
Thanks for sharing. But we're talking about a certified copy of a public
record. Raised seal and signature.
>
> Personally, I think Trav is probably right; The Chosen One (aka
> "Barry") probably was born in Hawaii, but had been telling bull crap
> lies to enhance his "story" which would further his political career.
Be fair. He had help from George W. Bush, the WPE. And Sarah Palin.
> (IH)
>
Gordon Burditt
>> candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
>> citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
>> certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
Obama knows that the birthers are an embarrassment to the Republicans,
and they look like kooks. He wants them to continue to be an
embarrassment to the Republicans, and continue to look like kooks.
That distracts the Republicans from the other stuff that he's doing.
>This would be true if that were actually his birth certificate, which
>has not been released.
And he won't release it because he wants the birthers to continue to
look like kooks.
Obama knows where he was born (Hawaii) and that he can prove it,
but the doesn't *WANT* to prove it.
>Honestly, if you're going to make elementary mistakes like assuming a
>Cert of Live Birth is the same as the actual birth certificate, then
>you may as well shut up.
Obama wants the birthers to do anything BUT shut up.
>Really doesn't matter to me, I have no reason to believe that they
>couldn't forge any document he needed to have forged to be
>President...don't really care where he was born and I figure he
>probably was born in Hawaii, even though Hawaii is claiming
>"privilege" on the issues that went into their determination that he
>was born there and they are fighting FOIA suits to release any info or
>conversations on the matter.
Obama doesn't want the controversy to end.
Deadrat
The Feds require proof of identity and authorization to work. This is Form
I-9.
Some documents are suitable for proving identity, some for proving
authorization, and some for both.
In the last category is a valid US passport, which may be obtained by
having a signed and sealed COLB.
Deadrat
news:ovmpe5dpffbmqhd8j...@4ax.com:
That's right. Because, as the recent Orly Taitz loss shows, the courts
have ruled that the judiciary has no role in certifying Presidential
eligibility.
Finis MacGuiness
>> So the birthers can't come with anybody who has the legal standing to
>> obtain Obama's "real" birth certificate?
>
>That's right. Because, as the recent Orly Taitz loss shows, the courts
>have ruled that the judiciary has no role in certifying Presidential
>eligibility.
That seems strange to a layperson like me. The Courts certainlly can
get involved in who won an election. I suppose then that the birthers
can only hope that the control of Congress will switch to the
Republicans who might order a Congressional investigation.
Greendistantstar
Kirk, you surely don't but this 'birther' crap, do you?
These dim-bulbs who are demanding that Obama provide a birth certificate
because they know/guess/claim that he was born in Kenya have failed utterly in the task they wish
others to perform..
Where is *their* proof? Where is the Kenyan birth certificate with Obama's name on it?
If they can't provide positive proof of their claims, they should just stfu.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Stanley Moore
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:69bc11c1-c21c-4189...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 31, 12:03 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
wrote:
> > The problem here is you hate his blackness.
>
> > Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii. Actually Hawaii proved it.
>
> How did Hawaii prove it?
By issuing this:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
... which the state has now twice publicly reaffirmed.
There is no way around this. Obama in fact is the ONLY presidential
candidate in history TMK who ever actually DID prove his natural born
citizenship prior to the election by releasing his certified birth
certificate. This is why people look on birfers as insane.
------------------------------------------------------
In point of fact John McCain was on much dicier ground in regard to
birhtplace. I believe there had to be a statute passed declaring that for
purposed of running for President birth in the Panama Canal Zone counted as
"natural born". <G> It astonishes me that this canard on Obama still has
legs in the face of no evidence.
OTOH religions all over the world for thousands of yoear have persisted in
spite of a similar lack of evidence for the existence of any deities. Take
care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
Wes Groleau
> I haven't seen any racists supporting him. Are you one of those
> nutbars who says people who support a black candidate are racist?
If you support him for his policies, fine.
I suppose most of his supporters fit that description.
But then, several TV networks each managed to find
at least one person FOR him who only cared about the
color of his skin. So there must be a few out there.
There's certainly more than a few the other way.
He got elected. That shows we've come a long way.
But how many times have we heard how "historic" this is?
That shows we haven't come far enough.
--
Wes Groleau
Angry disruption in class
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1455
Wes Groleau
> so did Ms. Duckworth. Apparently these types of mistakes seem to be
> real common where this guy is concerned.
Mistakes, errors, lies, etc. are very common
where _any_ politician is concerned
--
Wes Groleau
Common Sense
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=1184
Wes Groleau
> ask your state for your own "original cert." See what you get.
I got mine from WI. Not that it means anything.
--
Wes Groleau
Conservatives are funny …
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1543
Iarnrod
+dayton.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:54:50 -0700, Iarnrod wrote:
> >> Let's see the original cert then.
>
> > No. Not needed. The COLB is necessarily the same thing.
>
> Not according to the Feds.
Yes according to the feds.
> Try to apply for a Federal job using the
> Certificate of Live Birth and see how far that gets you.
Show me something that says it is not acceptable. You cannot. I used
COLBs to get passports. COLBs are the ONLY things many states now give
out, so you're wrong.
trav...@aol.com
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:37:42 -0700 (PDT), "travis...@aol.cominyrface"
There apparently is nobody anywhere who has standing.
The courts are avoiding the entire issue as a political question,
which is within their discretion to do. It is unfortunate that left-
leaning courts such as the Supreme Court of Florida do not have
similar tendencies.
To leftards, the ends always justify the means. Hawaii has also
refused information freedom requests for the certification process
that the Hawaii AG used.
It's just like everybody circles the wagons and shit, just like Busch
and Clitton did.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Your a racist!
You hit the nail on the head; that is precisely what I think.
I find it eminently curious that people he endorsed from within his
own political machine and his hometown paper would be led to believe
that he was born elsewhere when all this time he SO FUCKING OBVIOUSLY
and incontrovertibly was born in effing pedestrian HAWAII.
All this crap about the myriad SS#s associated with him and his mom,
the indonesia schools, the travel, the unfortunate murder of the
passport record guy and all of the silence, wagon-circling, and
related stonewalling is more evidence of FRAUD than anything else.
Bama is a polished liar, no more and no less.
That is what I hope. I obviously am not optimistic about the economy
and a sneaking, worstcase nightmare I have is that we enter a period
where it becomes expedient to get rid of the dude and then things
start leaking out.
Given the utter intransigence of the left, particularly blacks...I
mean, jeezus christ, they'd deny it if it were proven he were
ineligible just like they still insist Gore won in FL or Busch knew
about 911 or planned it. They'd say it didn't matter if BHO were
ineligible. Would Congress do the right thing? Would the fucking
military take over? Would we get like a miniature civil war between
right and left?
I mean, damn, just look at the partisan shit in THIS forum; there is
no common ground. Busch was the antichrist and now Busch 2.0 is also
the antichrist.
Yes, nevermind that Wall Street gets trillions from both of
them...just ignore the systemic fraud and corruption at literally all
levels. Focus on hating gestalts like GWB or BHO. This country has
achieved fatal polarization.
I get the sense that white people are getting to the point of violence
at being called racists every freaking minute by organizations run and
funded by marxist jews who adore Fidel Castro and that every other
demographic save asians is really already at the point of violence
given the crime data.
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
Time to tighten your Reynolds Wrap haberdashery, kkkooktard. If you
believe 10% of what you wrote above, you're certifiably insane.
trav...@aol.com
>
> That’s exactly and only what it is. That is it’s only purpose for
> existing. When one writes to the state or county of birth and asks for
> a certified copy of one’s birth certificate, this is what you get. I
> know. I have done it in three separate states for myself and two of my
> kids to get passports.
I have done precisely the same thing. The information comes out of a
computer system and is computer-generated. In the case at hand,
requests were made for the original, which exists.
Why not just put it out there and be done with it?
> Not this one, dearie. Hawaii verified it. It’s for real. Cannot
> possibly be forged. Case closed.
That's laughably false. I have both types, an original BC and a
COLB. The COLB has zilch on it except laser printer toner on official
state paper.
The real BC has signatures and other ORIGINAL information. They are
not the same.
> No need, I succeeded the first time. And I am not “dude,” dearie.
Ok, BITCH, wtfever.
> Is that all ya have, incredulity? I am afraid that’s simply not
> enough. You can make up all the conspiracy theories you want about
> Hawaii’s governor and registrar lying and Obama killing his grandma to
> shut her up and ordering documents sealed, but at the end of the day,
> you have nothing.
Conspiracy theories? Miss, you have me confused with somebody else.
I am merely pointing out several WTFs; I have already stated
unequivocally that i believe that he was born in fucking Hawaii.
I find the wagon circling around him and the $2M of money spent on
fighting access to records by his legal team to be very curious as you
say there is nothing whatsoever to hide.
> It is and it has. That is exactly what the COLB does.
Look you can say that another MILLION times and it won't be any truer.
> Sorry but I win. That is what states now issue, and it proves the fact
> of birth at the time and place indicated. You can tell the people who
> know better than you to shut up all day long, but you still have
> nothing at all.
Look, you stupid FUCK...was Bama born NOW or was he born 50 fucking
years ago?
His original cert would be on file just as MINE is in CA, in a
goddamned vault somewhere or something. I have a COPY of mine, which
has the ORIGINAL signatures of my father mother doctor and other
people and even the original IBM typewriter font.
Why not just release Bama's? Why fight it?
I dare you and them, shut EVERYBODY up by releasing that document.
> A wild ass claim for which no evidence exists.
Yet you guys claim Busch STOLE the fucking election in Florida and
that the CIA demolitioned the WTC. I mean, goddamn, son.
> No they’re not claiming anything. It’s the longstanding law and it
> applies to everyone. No special treatment at all.
Do you even have a clue what I'm talking about? You appear not to.
> Oh wait, there was special treatment and it was in the direction of
> disclosure. Hawaii took the highly unusual step, because of you insane
> nutbars, to publicly announce TWICE that yes, the records exist and
> show that Obama was born there.
Maybe if the guy hadn't gone round claiming he was an immigrant when
it suited his political career, nobody would have believed he was a
foreigner.
> They desperately want to believe it rather than accept that America
> elected an eloquent and capable black man as president. Their minds
> rebel and they need to find a way to nullify it.
There's absolutely no point in listening to your bullshit when you
play the race card. It exposes you as laughable and pathetic.
When in doubt, just pull the race card out...your credibility goes out
the window with it.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> nutbars who says people who support a black candidate are racist?
> <chuckle>
so...let me get this straight, NOBODY who supported Bama is a racist?
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> if they are not corrected immediately? I mean, waht really is your
> point? You don't seem to actually have one other than that you want a
> falsehood to be retained in an archive.
No, I'm saying that the correction was only made when the article
started getting hits. Someone might ask gee how did these people get
the idea that Bama was born in indonesia?
> So what? It was corrected in the print edition ONE WEEK after the
> error was made nearly four years ago.
Sure it was.
> > Wow...the fucking race card.
>
> It's obvious. You must not get out much. You haven't read many of the
> "nigger" posts, have ya.
Look, bitch, I don't have the faintest clue about what you think
you're talking about. What I do know is that you're a fucking idiot
partisan.
Tell me which NG you are crossposting from and I'll remove it from my
reply because people who play the race card whenever anyone criticizes
NeO are complete pieces of shit.
> No, he's just an asshole kook.
LOL. Kook, racist, asshole, fascist. You have a lot of namecalling,
faggot.
> Oh the IRONY of it all!
Yeah it is ironic how the left now takes the same actions in response
to criticism as the neocoons did.
> That's because you are incapable of making a cogent response since, at
> the end of the day, you really have nothing worthwhile to say other
> than that when an old mistake is discovered it should NOT be corrected
> so that people can still read the error. Is that all?
No, it's because I don't converse with pathetic pieces of shit who
play the race card. Goodbye
Trav
trav...@aol.com
they only get involved when a republican wins.
Because non partisan courts have this thing called discretion whereas
liberal leaning courts are fucking idiots.
Busch v. Gore was an abomination of jurisprudence caused by the
inability of libtards to manage their own narcissism.
Trav
Deadrat
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:15:22 -0500, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
>>> So the birthers can't come with anybody who has the legal standing to
>>> obtain Obama's "real" birth certificate?
>>
>>That's right. Because, as the recent Orly Taitz loss shows, the courts
>>have ruled that the judiciary has no role in certifying Presidential
>>eligibility.
>
> That seems strange to a layperson like me. The Courts certainlly can
> get involved in who won an election.
Courts do get involved in elections, but they are loath to change the
results. (The 2000 election being the exception that proves the rule.)
In this case, we're not talking about elections, but with the
*certification* of an election. In 2009, there was no question as to the
vote in the Electoral College. The birthers essentially claimed that
Obama's electors were ineligible to vote since they were pledged to someone
ineligible for the office. The Constitution leaves the counting of
electors to the Congress, which has procedures for challenges. There's no
role for the judiciary, hence the failure of the birtheres to get anywhere
in federal court.
<snip/>
trav...@aol.com
> authenticity. Everybody who was there at the time agreed that there
Even in the face of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that the thing WAS A
FORGERY including that it cost Dan Rather his fucking CAREER in
journalism, you STILL insist it MUST BE TRUE simply because it's
something negative about GEORGE BUSCH.
YOU are a BIRTHER, hal!
> was no George Bush anywhere. He was AWOL, plain and simple, but
> because his family has money and connections they were able to bury
> it, including destroying any documented evidence.
HAHAHAHAHAAHA...good lord, the irony here is utterly fucking amazing.
So BUSCH could destroy records, but it is INCONCIEVABLE that bama
could have had the same thing done, given the fucking money that's
backed him?
You really are beyond hope and need to be killed.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> Naitonal Guard. For one, he refused an ordered flight physical. His
> reason: he didn't think they needed him as an active pilot. There's also
> not much doubt that the letter was forged.
Not much doubt? Among whom?
When in reality it came out that he volunteered to go to country and
they turned him down.
ROTFL...you guys just fucking amaze me.
There is NO negative thing you would disbelieve about Busch...not a
single fucking thing.
> Indeed.
Yet it STILL does not stop you from believing it.
> And yet, you're the one who's a birther. Go figure.
I'm not a birther, dude. I'm merely pointing out that the behavior of
the guy's handlers is suggestive of evasion and that there is
something they do not want disclosed. I point out systemic fraud and
corruption at all levels of government while you cry "BUSCH BUSCH
BUSCH is the ANTICHRIST"
> How Republican of you.
No, we need to kill them too. Or better perhaps the two sets of you
fucking cheerleaders can annihilate each other.
> Oh, the horror!
>
> You've reproduced?!?
Yes, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you and your kids will
have a couple more overlords to serve.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
>
> Bzzzzzzt! Wrong.
>
> Hey, all of a sudden Trav here BELIEVES the gubmint!!
>
> Too fuckin' funny!
The Gubmint was not who established the fraudulent origin of the
letter. The letter was fraudulent on its FACE with or without the
government.
> Obama's COLB *is* signed, dearie. It's official. What is interesting
> in all your insanity is the FACT that NO PRESIDENT before Obama ever
> proved he was a natural born citizen before the election by releasing
> his birth certificate. Obama MADE HISTORY by doing this and you
> nutbars pretend he's the only one who hasn't! That's just too funny!
> If you weren't so insanely delusional, you'd prpobably laugh at it
> too.,
>
> Hey, remember to give us your cite for this mysterious travel ban to
> Pakistan and Indonesia that only you seem to know about, mmmmm-kay?
Hey you made it through an ENTIRE POST without playing the race
card...are you sure you're feeling all right, ma'am?
Trav
Deadrat
4f80-4a11-bab...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 31, 9:04�pm, Finis MacGuiness <f...@bagpipes.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:37:42 -0700 (PDT), "travis...@aol.cominyrface"
>>
>> <travis...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> Why hasn't a birther lawsuit been served on the record keepers of
>> >> Hawaii to force them to bring whatever records they have of Obama's
>> >> birth to court? �I think I know why. � Because by forcing that, th
> e
>> >> birthers will be shown to be full of crap.
>>
>> >It has. �Hawaii is fighting the suit.
>>
>> >Trav
>>
>> I think you are partly right, according to the Wikipedia article on
>> Andy Martin:
>> "On October 17, 2008, Martin filed a lawsuit in a state circuit court
>> of Hawaii against Governor Linda Lingle and health department director
>> Dr. Chiyome Fukino, seeking to verify the state's official birth
>> certificate of Barack Obama.[16] Martin was quoted as saying, "I want
>> to see a certified copy issued by the state of Hawai'i, not one issued
>> by the state of Obama."[16] On November 19, the court denied Martin's
>> "emergency motion" and dismissed the lawsuit on the grounds of
>> Martin's lack of legal standing to obtain another person's birth
>> document.[17]".
>>
>> So the birthers can't come with anybody who has the legal standing to
>> obtain Obama's "real" birth certificate? �
>
> There apparently is nobody anywhere who has standing.
This is correct. To have standing means to have a court recognize the
legal ability to bring suit. But the Constitution leaves the
certification of electors to Congress. There is simply no role for the
judiciary. The USC outlines the procedures that Congress has set for
itself to handle challenges. Once the Electoral College votes,
challenges must follow those procedures on 3 Jan during a joint session
of Congress. If it's not done on 3 Jan in Congress, there's nowhere else
for it to be done.
> The courts are avoiding the entire issue as a political question,
> which is within their discretion to do.
The courts are actually avoiding the issue as a Constitutional matter,
namely the separation of powers.
> It is unfortunate that left-
> leaning courts such as the Supreme Court of Florida do not have
> similar tendencies.
Nothing like the unfortunate right-leaning court that stopped the vote
counts in Florida in 2000, giving us the disaster that was W.
> To leftards, the ends always justify the means.
Those damn lefties! Torturing prisoners and outing CIA agents. Damn
them!
> Hawaii has also
> refused information freedom requests for the certification process
> that the Hawaii AG used.
The statements confirming the authenticity of the COLB wre made by The
Director of the Hawaii's Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, and
the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle (a Republican, by the way). But
you're not really concerned with the "process" they used -- presumably
they looked at original documents -- you're concerned that you're not
allowed to examine the documents for yourself. But these documents are
private by law and not subject to FOIA requests.
> It's just like everybody circles the wagons and shit, just like Busch
> and Clitton did.
Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
>
> Trav
>
trav...@aol.com
> newspaper itself… PRINTED the correction one week later on January
> 2006.
You have a copy of that?
> Because the information in it was true and was verified, as we know.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wow.
Just WOW. This thread has proven to bear more fruit than I thought it
would when I started it.
You are...insane.
> More irony from a moron who “thinks” it was impossible for Obama to
> get on a plane to visit family in Indonesia in 1982.
He was living in indonesia then wasn't he? or was that kenya...oh who
can keep up, the story changes so frequently.
> Nope. Not common at all. Nearly everyone on the planet knows
> otherwise.
Yeah except the people who ought to.
> They did, of course. You’re lying. They gave Obama a certified COLB,
> then after nutbags kept banging their drums, they took the highly
> unusual step of TWICE verifying in public that yes, the records are
> correct.
No, that would be the document that they released, not the review
process. I would assume that they went to the vaults and dragged out
his original long form cert.
> Then Keyes is of course a liar. I hadn’t heard that one before. Kindly
> post a link to your cite.
Everyone is a liar. Except your guys.
> What does Bush lying about Iraq have to do with the fact that the
> vital stats of Hawaii show Obama being born in Honolulu? You’re saying
> because Bush lied, Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu? Is your brain about
> to explode?
No, I'm saying that you have tunnel vision and mental retardation.
> You claimed it too, moron. Either you give a shit or you don’t, make
> up your clueless mind.
I don't GIVE A SHIT...I was pretty clear on that from early on.
> Yes it has.
No, it would be a novel question for the courts with regard to Natural
Born.
> Nope. He isn’t.
Given your lack of credibility if you told me the fucking sky was blue
I'd go out and look for myself.
> Who says there’s no record? BTW, his mom was in Indonesia, not
> Pakistan. Keep your kooktardery straight.
the site for debunking Obama conspiracy theories said she was in
pakistan...if she was in indonesia then who the fuck was in pakistan?
Al Qaida?
> How could it have been under another nation’s passport? Why would it
> have been? Passport records of individuals are private. That does not
> mean they don’t exist. It means you don’t get to see them.
They aren't fucking private, they're records kept by a government
agency you freakin idiot. God damn you're dumb.
> WTF? Are you on drugs?
If I am I hope I sober up soon because the entire world appears to be
populated with idiots like you.
> All of a sudden, it matters to you ten lines after you said it didn’t?
> Are you bipolar?
I said it doesn't matter TO ME. It may pose a constitutional
question...learn to read, IDIOTFUCK.
> Oh, OK, then you’re simply wrong. Got it.
No, I'm eminently right. You ARE a complete motherfucking idiot.
Anyone who jacks out the race card is a fucking tool and pathetic.
> Evidence is to the contrary.
So is your HIV status.
> Yes it is.
Wasn't when I went to the office.
> Obama’s IS an actual birth certificate from the state.
>
> It is IDENTICAL IN FORM to the certified copies of birth certificates
> I obtained from THREE SEPARATE STATES for me and two of my kids awhile
> back to get our passports. IDENTICAL.
Good lord, you were allowed to have children? Somebody call CPS right
now because your existence is child abuse and an affront to humanity.
Trav
Gordon Burditt
>computer system and is computer-generated. In the case at hand,
>requests were made for the original, which exists.
>
>Why not just put it out there and be done with it?
Obama does not want the issue to go away. It distracts the Republicans
who don't want to be associated with the Birthers, and makes them
waste time rather than paying attention to other things Obama is
doing.
Of course, Obama knows he was born in Hawaii and can prove it.
That doesn't mean he wants to prove it or wants anyone else
to prove it.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Sorry but you’re wrong.
>
> > That’s exactly and only what it is. That is it’s only purpose for
> > existing. When one writes to the state or county of birth and asks for
> > a certified copy of one’s birth certificate, this is what you get. I
> > know. I have done it in three separate states for myself and two of my
> > kids to get passports.
>
> I have done precisely the same thing. The information comes out of a
> computer system and is computer-generated. In the case at hand,
> requests were made for the original, which exists.
Something must have been wrong with yours then. Most people never get
their originals. In fact, in many states including Hawaii you don’t
get a copy of the original, you merely get the COLB, so it simply has
to be sufficient. I didn’t, my kids didn’t. We got our passports.
> Why not just put it out there and be done with it?
He *is* done with it. The COLB is completely satisfactory.
> > Not this one, dearie. Hawaii verified it. It’s for real. Cannot
> > possibly be forged. Case closed.
>
> That's laughably false.
Your childlike denial doesn’t cut it. The state that issued it has
twice publicly verified that it issued it. By very definition, it
cannot possibly be forged.
> I have both types, an original BC and a
> COLB. The COLB has zilch on it except laser printer toner on official
> state paper.
So what? What’s your point?
> The real BC has signatures and other ORIGINAL information. They are
> not the same.
Sorry but they are. The COLBs are signed too. Obama’s is signed. It is
an original issue state document. Case closed.
> > No need, I succeeded the first time. And I am not “dude,” dearie.
>
> Ok, BITCH, wtfever.
I still succeeded the first time.
> > Is that all ya have, incredulity? I am afraid that’s simply not
> > enough. You can make up all the conspiracy theories you want about
> > Hawaii’s governor and registrar lying and Obama killing his grandma to
> > shut her up and ordering documents sealed, but at the end of the day,
> > you have nothing.
>
> Conspiracy theories? Miss, you have me confused with somebody else.
I got you dead bang to rights.
> I am merely pointing out several WTFs;
Not successfully however. You’re “pointing out” things based on false
premises, and they are immaterial.
> I find the wagon circling around him
What wagon circling? You’re referring to mainstream America, which is
laughing at KKKooks like you.
> and the $2M of money spent on
> fighting access to records by his legal team…
A lie of course. No such spending has occurred. You’re simply lying.
> to be very curious as you
> say there is nothing whatsoever to hide.
But since no such thing has happened, you are merely reacting to your
own delusions.
Nothing is being hidden, $2 million was not spent on it, you’re just
lying.
> > It is and it has. That is exactly what the COLB does.
>
> Look you can say that another MILLION times and it won't be any truer.
Well, you’re right about that. It was true the first time I said it.
Your denial of it a million times won’t make it false.
> > Sorry but I win. That is what states now issue, and it proves the fact
> > of birth at the time and place indicated. You can tell the people who
> > know better than you to shut up all day long, but you still have
> > nothing at all.
>
> Look, you stupid FUCK...
That, dearie, would be you, as I have proven.
> was Bama born NOW or was he born 50 fucking
> years ago?
WTF are you even talking about, loon?
> His original cert would be on file just as MINE is in CA, in a
> goddamned vault somewhere or something.
So what? Hawaii issued him a COLB and that proves it beyond all
ability to question it. It’s done, case closed.
> I have a COPY of mine, which
> has the ORIGINAL signatures of my father mother doctor and other
> people and even the original IBM typewriter font.
So what? I don’t know how to break this to you since you haven’t
actually read Article II, but the Constitution does not require the
president to be born in a hospital or be delivered by a doctor of any
kind at all. The answers to those personal questions simply aren’t at
issue. Get it?
> Why not just release Bama's?
Because he’s released the COLB which proves the only things
constitutionally at issue – age over 35 and birth on US soil. Case
closed.
> Why fight it?
He isn’t. He’s done.
Why are YOU loons fighting it?
> I dare you and them, shut EVERYBODY up by releasing that document.
Not needed. And you’re lying again. It wouldn’t shut up you fucked-in-
the-head nitwits at all. You’d just claim it was tampered with or
something like that.
> > A wild ass claim for which no evidence exists.
>
> Yet you guys claim Busch STOLE the fucking election in Florida
Who is Busch? The beer guy? What is it with you and misspelling his
name? Is it some sort if nutbar code I am not familiar with?
> and that the CIA demolitioned the WTC.
WTF? Are you insane? I regularly lambaste the rightarded 9/11
kkkookers on other threads. 9/11 Twoof is a rightarded delusion just
like birtherism. You klowns are simply anti-gubmint black helicopter
types.
> I mean, goddamn, son.
Still confused about gender?
I am old enough to be your granny, moron.
> > No they’re not claiming anything. It’s the longstanding law and it
> > applies to everyone. No special treatment at all.
>
> Do you even have a clue what I'm talking about? You appear not to.
BWAHAHAHAHAA! YOU appear not to!!
> > Oh wait, there was special treatment and it was in the direction of
> > disclosure. Hawaii took the highly unusual step, because of you insane
> > nutbars, to publicly announce TWICE that yes, the records exist and
> > show that Obama was born there.
>
> Maybe if the guy hadn't gone round claiming he was an immigrant when
> it suited his political career, nobody would have believed he was a
> foreigner.
He didn’t. You’re just lying again.
> > They desperately want to believe it rather than accept that America
> > elected an eloquent and capable black man as president. Their minds
> > rebel and they need to find a way to nullify it.
>
> There's absolutely no point in listening to your bullshit when you
> play the race card.
BWAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!! Hits close to home, I see.
> It exposes you as laughable and pathetic.
It exposes you as a racist.
> When in doubt, just pull the race card out...your credibility goes out
> the window with it.
You gotta be kidding. Calling you racists racist is spot-on, goober.
You never asked for a white guy’s birth certificate; no white
president EVER released his birth certificate. The black president
has, yet you’re pretending he hasn’t.
I got you nailed, kkkook.
Iarnrod
wrote:
How would I know? I haven't seen any. Can you name one?
Deadrat
306b-4303-a4e...@u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
"Your"! Bwahahahahahahaha.
>
> You hit the nail on the head; that is precisely what I think.
>
> I find it eminently curious that people he endorsed from within his
> own political machine and his hometown paper
His hometown paper would be either _The Chicago Tribune_ or _The Chicago
Sun-Times. Go here:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/oct/30/nation/chi-birth-
certificate-30-oct30
or here
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1687576,w-barack-obama-birth-
certificate-072709.article
> would be led to believe that he was born elsewhere
Neither Chicago paper has done anything but report that Obama is a natural
born US citizen.
> when all this time he SO FUCKING OBVIOUSLY
> and incontrovertibly was born in effing pedestrian HAWAII.
>
> All this crap about the myriad SS#s associated with him and his mom,
This from an Orly Taitz filing. (See? You should get to know her.) She
claims that her private investigators have found multiple SSNs in online
databases for people with names spelled like Obama's. This claim is
completely without backing.
> the indonesia schools,
His schooling would have no effect on his citizenship.
the travel,
His travel would have no effect on his citizenship.
> the unfortunate murder of the passport record guy
Apparently someone involved in the theft of information from Obama's
passport files was murdered. So what?
> and all of the silence, wagon-circling, and
> related stonewalling is more evidence of FRAUD than anything else.
You really are an ignoramus, aren't you? Do you even know what evidence
is?
> Bama is a polished liar, no more and no less.
>
> That is what I hope. I obviously am not optimistic about the economy
> and a sneaking, worstcase nightmare I have is that we enter a period
> where it becomes expedient to get rid of the dude and then things
> start leaking out.
>
> Given the utter intransigence of the left, particularly blacks...
Well, well, Bubba. Glad you're finally out of that closet.
> I mean, jeezus christ, they'd deny it if it were proven he were
> ineligible just like they still insist Gore won in FL or Busch knew
> about 911 or planned it. They'd say it didn't matter if BHO were
> ineligible. Would Congress do the right thing? Would the fucking
> military take over? Would we get like a miniature civil war between
> right and left?
Calm down, Sparky. Obama is the President, validly elected. Get used to
it.
> I mean, damn, just look at the partisan shit in THIS forum; there is
> no common ground. Busch was the antichrist and now Busch 2.0 is also
> the antichrist.
Bush wasn't the antichrist. He was just the WPE. You've bought every hoax
and far-out conspriacy theory about Obama. You know nothing about the law.
That's why you're getting opposition.
> Yes, nevermind that Wall Street gets trillions from both of
> them...just ignore the systemic fraud and corruption at literally all
> levels. Focus on hating gestalts like GWB or BHO. This country has
> achieved fatal polarization.
Oh, relax, Sparky. Only 20% of the voting population identifies itself as
Republican. Hardly the flashpoint for "fatal polarization."
And you wouldn't know a gestalt if one bit you in the ass.
> I get the sense that white people are getting to the point of violence
*You* get the sense? You've lost the sense God gave you. Quit listening
to teabaggers, birthers, and other rightards. Too much Fox and talk radio.
Try thinking for yourself.
> at being called racists every freaking minute by organizations run and
> funded by marxist jews
I wondered when you'd get around to the Jews. And here you are!
> who adore Fidel Castro and that every other
> demographic save asians is really already at the point of violence
> given the crime data.
Relax, Sparky. Violent crime has been declining for years.
>
> Trav
>
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > No. So what? Are you saying that mistakes should be kept in perpetuity
> > if they are not corrected immediately? I mean, waht really is your
> > point? You don't seem to actually have one other than that you want a
> > falsehood to be retained in an archive.
>
> No, I'm saying that the correction was only made when the article
> started getting hits.
So what? You know, that might have been the only way someone at the
paper even found out that the online version did not contain the
corrected text. So what you find "suspicious" is actually the simolest
innocent explanation. You really shoudl tae off the tin foil hat
sometime and think.
> Someone might ask gee how did these people get
> the idea that Bama was born in indonesia?
Indeed, he was not.
BTW, loon, you have yet to explain your gaffe about why it would have
been impossible for a normal American to go to Indonesia or Pakistan
in 1982. We're waiting for you to own up to your lie.
> > So what? It was corrected in the print edition ONE WEEK after the
> > error was made nearly four years ago.
>
> Sure it was.
Yep. If you doubt that, maybe you should go back and look at YOUR OWN
CITE, where it says that.
<chuckle>
> > > Wow...the fucking race card.
>
> > It's obvious. You must not get out much. You haven't read many of the
> > "nigger" posts, have ya.
>
> Look, bitch, I don't have the faintest clue about what you think
> you're talking about.
Sure, goober, sure.
> What I do know is that you're a fucking idiot
> partisan.
Holy CRAP the irony. You owe me the cost of a new irony meter.
> Tell me which NG you are crossposting from and I'll remove it from my
> reply because people who play the race card whenever anyone criticizes
> NeO are complete pieces of shit.
Sure, liar, sure. Play stupid, why doncha. Wait, maybe you're not
playing stupid. Maybe you really are.
> > No, he's just an asshole kook.
>
> LOL. Kook, racist, asshole, fascist. You have a lot of namecalling,
> faggot.
Wow, if yer gonna name call at least make it fitting with the
circumstances!
> > That's because you are incapable of making a cogent response since, at
> > the end of the day, you really have nothing worthwhile to say other
> > than that when an old mistake is discovered it should NOT be corrected
> > so that people can still read the error. Is that all?
>
> No, it's because I don't converse with pathetic pieces of shit who
> play the race card.
Meaning you have no defense of your racism when called out on it.
> Goodbye
Good riddance, proven liar.
Doncha just love it when racists get all uppity and offended when
called out and pretend it's not true.
Deadrat
d1d9-4d1d-bc6...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> Sorry but you�re wrong.
>>
>> That�s exactly and only what it is. That is it�s only purpose for
>> existing. When one writes to the state or county of birth and asks for
>> a certified copy of one�s birth certificate, this is what you get. I
>> know. I have done it in three separate states for myself and two of my
>> kids to get passports.
>
> I have done precisely the same thing. The information comes out of a
> computer system and is computer-generated. In the case at hand,
> requests were made for the original, which exists.
>
> Why not just put it out there and be done with it?
Because that wouldn't be the end of it. Birthers cannot be convinced.
>
>> Not this one, dearie. Hawaii verified it. It�s for real. Cannot
>> possibly be forged. Case closed.
>
> That's laughably false. I have both types, an original BC and a
> COLB. The COLB has zilch on it except laser printer toner on official
> state paper.
>
> The real BC has signatures and other ORIGINAL information. They are
> not the same.
And too bad that you can't get to see what you want. You'll just have to
accept what the law allows.
Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
>> No need, I succeeded the first time. And I am not �dude,� dearie.
>
> Ok, BITCH, wtfever.
Nice. Is that how your mother raised you to talk to people who claim to
be women in cyberspace?
>
>> Is that all ya have, incredulity? I am afraid that�s simply not
>> enough. You can make up all the conspiracy theories you want about
>> Hawaii�s governor and registrar lying and Obama killing his grandma to
>> shut her up and ordering documents sealed, but at the end of the day,
>> you have nothing.
>
> Conspiracy theories? Miss, you have me confused with somebody else.
>
> I am merely pointing out several WTFs; I have already stated
> unequivocally that i believe that he was born in fucking Hawaii.
Good. So you're done whining?
> I find the wagon circling around him and the $2M of money spent on
> fighting access to records by his legal team to be very curious as you
> say there is nothing whatsoever to hide.
Please provide evidence that $2M has been spent fighting access.
>
>> It is and it has. That is exactly what the COLB does.
>
> Look you can say that another MILLION times and it won't be any truer.
And you can deny that a certified COLB doesn't have a rebuttable
presumption of truth, but you'd still be wrong.
>> Sorry but I win. That is what states now issue, and it proves the fact
>> of birth at the time and place indicated. You can tell the people who
>> know better than you to shut up all day long, but you still have
>> nothing at all.
>
> Look, you stupid FUCK...was Bama born NOW or was he born 50 fucking
> years ago?
>
> His original cert would be on file just as MINE is in CA, in a
> goddamned vault somewhere or something. I have a COPY of mine, which
> has the ORIGINAL signatures of my father mother doctor and other
> people and even the original IBM typewriter font.
>
> Why not just release Bama's? Why fight it?
Just to piss you off, I guess.
> I dare you and them, shut EVERYBODY up by releasing that document.
Gee, I guess no one's listening to your big dare.
Sucks to be you, eh?
>
>> A wild ass claim for which no evidence exists.
>
> Yet you guys claim Busch STOLE the fucking election in Florida and
> that the CIA demolitioned the WTC. I mean, goddamn, son.
The Bushies on the Court made sure we'll never know who won the election
in Florida. And the CIA had nothing to do with the WTC.
Feel better now?
>> No they�re not claiming anything. It�s the longstanding law and it
>> applies to everyone. No special treatment at all.
>
> Do you even have a clue what I'm talking about? You appear not to.
You've bought every crazy hoax and wild claim without evidence, and you
think other people don't have a clue?
>> Oh wait, there was special treatment and it was in the direction of
>> disclosure. Hawaii took the highly unusual step, because of you insane
>> nutbars, to publicly announce TWICE that yes, the records exist and
>> show that Obama was born there.
>
> Maybe if the guy hadn't gone round claiming he was an immigrant when
> it suited his political career, nobody would have believed he was a
> foreigner.
Please cite a source for Obama claiming that he was an immigrant.
>> They desperately want to believe it rather than accept that America
>> elected an eloquent and capable black man as president. Their minds
>> rebel and they need to find a way to nullify it.
>
> There's absolutely no point in listening to your bullshit when you
> play the race card. It exposes you as laughable and pathetic.
Trav meet mirror.
>
> When in doubt, just pull the race card out...your credibility goes out
> the window with it.
And yours, Sparky? Did the marxist jews in hollywood steal it?
>
> Trav
>
Deadrat
9903-4140-901...@u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
Plenty of racists to go around. Only one side sending white
house/watermelon pictures, though.
>
> Trav
>
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > > It, um...wasn't true. It was a forgery and a fraud.
>
> > Bzzzzzzt! Wrong.
>
> > Hey, all of a sudden Trav here BELIEVES the gubmint!!
>
> > Too fuckin' funny!
>
> The Gubmint was not who established the fraudulent origin of the
> letter.
That was not the issue, dearie.
> The letter was fraudulent on its FACE with or without the
> government.
The information in it was true, pumpkin.
> > Obama's COLB *is* signed, dearie. It's official. What is interesting
> > in all your insanity is the FACT that NO PRESIDENT before Obama ever
> > proved he was a natural born citizen before the election by releasing
> > his birth certificate. Obama MADE HISTORY by doing this and you
> > nutbars pretend he's the only one who hasn't! That's just too funny!
> > If you weren't so insanely delusional, you'd prpobably laugh at it
> > too.,
>
> > Hey, remember to give us your cite for this mysterious travel ban to
> > Pakistan and Indonesia that only you seem to know about, mmmmm-kay?
>
> Hey you made it through an ENTIRE POST without playing the race
> card...are you sure you're feeling all right, ma'am?
>
> Trav
Evasion noted.
Answer the question, loon. Why do you "think" it was impossible for
Obama to travel to Pakistan and Indonesia in 1982 along with the
millions of other people?
Deadrat
6fa2-479f-a10...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> No. So what? Are you saying that mistakes should be kept in perpetuity
>> if they are not corrected immediately? I mean, waht really is your
>> point? You don't seem to actually have one other than that you want a
>> falsehood to be retained in an archive.
>
> No, I'm saying that the correction was only made when the article
> started getting hits. Someone might ask gee how did these people get
> the idea that Bama was born in indonesia?
People get all sorts of wrong ideas. You're a prime example.
>
>> So what? It was corrected in the print edition ONE WEEK after the
>> error was made nearly four years ago.
>
> Sure it was.
>
>> > Wow...the fucking race card.
>>
>> It's obvious. You must not get out much. You haven't read many of the
>> "nigger" posts, have ya.
>
> Look, bitch, I don't have the faintest clue about what you think
> you're talking about. What I do know is that you're a fucking idiot
> partisan.
>
> Tell me which NG you are crossposting from and I'll remove it from my
> reply because people who play the race card whenever anyone criticizes
> NeO are complete pieces of shit.
>
>> No, he's just an asshole kook.
>
> LOL. Kook, racist, asshole, fascist. You have a lot of namecalling,
> faggot.
Faggot! blacks, (marxist) jews, and faggots! The trifecta.
Congratulations!
>
>> Oh the IRONY of it all!
>
> Yeah it is ironic how the left now takes the same actions in response
> to criticism as the neocoons did.
Not even close. Remember that your rightard buddies paid jounalists to
print their propaganda and planted someone to ask softball questions at a
news conference
>
>> That's because you are incapable of making a cogent response since, at
>> the end of the day, you really have nothing worthwhile to say other
>> than that when an old mistake is discovered it should NOT be corrected
>> so that people can still read the error. Is that all?
>
> No, it's because I don't converse with pathetic pieces of shit who
> play the race card. Goodbye
Is he gone yet?
>
> Trav
>
Deadrat
788a-4d56-a28...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 31, 9:39�pm, Finis MacGuiness <f...@bagpipes.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:15:22 -0500, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> >> So the birthers can't come with anybody who has the legal standing to
>> >> obtain Obama's "real" birth certificate? �
>>
>> >That's right. �Because, as the recent Orly Taitz loss shows, the court
> s
>> >have ruled that the judiciary has no role in certifying Presidential
>> >eligibility.
>>
>> That seems strange to a layperson like me. �The Courts certainlly can
>> get involved in who won an election. �I suppose then that the birthers
>> can only hope that the control of Congress will switch to the
>> Republicans who might order a Congressional investigation.
>
> they only get involved when a republican wins.
You really are ignorant, aren't you. Courts get involved in recounts,
which in some states are mandated by law when elections are close. Check
out the Franken/Coleman knock-down drag-out. A special recount court was
convened to oversee the recount.
> Because non partisan courts have this thing called discretion whereas
> liberal leaning courts are fucking idiots.
Let me translate: when I agree with the outcome, it's valid discretion;
when I don't it's liberal-leaning in the courts.
>
> Busch v. Gore was an abomination of jurisprudence caused by the
> inability of libtards to manage their own narcissism.
Bush v Gore was an abomination of jurisprudence brought to you by
rightards.
> Trav
>
Deadrat
4e37-49ba-8f6...@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> no, they were only able to shed a reasonable doubt on it's
>> authenticity. �Everybody who was there at the time agreed that there
>
> Even in the face of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that the thing WAS A
> FORGERY including that it cost Dan Rather his fucking CAREER in
> journalism, you STILL insist it MUST BE TRUE simply because it's
> something negative about GEORGE BUSCH.
>
> YOU are a BIRTHER, hal!
I don't think reasonable people believe that the letter was anything but
a forgery. Or that the WPE actually finished his Guard duties.
>
>> was no George Bush anywhere. �He was AWOL, plain and simple, but
>> because his family has money and connections they were able to bury
>> it, including destroying any documented evidence.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAAHA...good lord, the irony here is utterly fucking amazing.
>
> So BUSCH could destroy records, but it is INCONCIEVABLE that bama
> could have had the same thing done, given the fucking money that's
> backed him?
Bush is on record as refusing a flight physical, thus taking himself out
of flight duty. No one is accusing Bush of destroying records. There's
no evidence of that, just as there's no evidence of Obama's destroying
records.
Come to think of it, how would destroying records help Obama? The
records support his version of events.
>
> You really are beyond hope and need to be killed.
How rightard of you!
>
> Trav
>
Deadrat
news:c87805eb-6412-4e5e...@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
>> There's not much doubt that Bush failed to complete his duties in the
>> Naitonal Guard. �For one, he refused an ordered flight physical. �His
>> reason: he didn't think they needed him as an active pilot. �There's
>> also not much doubt that the letter was forged.
>
> Not much doubt? Among whom?
Among reality-based people.
> When in reality it came out that he volunteered to go to country and
> they turned him down.
He volunteered to go to country? What does that mean? He went to his
Daddy, and Daddy pulled strings to get Junior into the Texas Air National
Guard so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam.
>
> ROTFL...you guys just fucking amaze me.
>
> There is NO negative thing you would disbelieve about Busch...not a
> single fucking thing.
I don't believe he blew up the WTC.
>> Indeed.
>
> Yet it STILL does not stop you from believing it.
>
>> And yet, you're the one who's a birther. �Go figure.
>
> I'm not a birther, dude. I'm merely pointing out that the behavior of
> the guy's handlers is suggestive of evasion and that there is
> something they do not want disclosed.
That makes you a birther. You think that you can discern motive and
behavioral patterns, and you regard that as evidence.
> I point out systemic fraud and corruption at all levels of government
There's plenty of fraud, but you have no evidence to present.
> while you cry "BUSCH BUSCH BUSCH is the ANTICHRIST"
The myth of the antichrist is a fundie myth, more generally applied to
Obama than to the WPE.
>> How Republican of you.
>
> No, we need to kill them too. Or better perhaps the two sets of you
> fucking cheerleaders can annihilate each other.
>
>> Oh, the horror!
>>
>> You've reproduced?!?
>
> Yes, sorry to be the bearer of bad news
Well, anybody can be fertile in cyberspace.
> but you and your kids will have a couple more overlords to serve.
I don't have any kids. And if yours are as clever as you, I don't hink
anyone has to worry any time soon about their becoming "overlords."
>
> Trav
>
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Actually nearly four years later. So what? The PRINT edition… the real
> > newspaper itself… PRINTED the correction one week later on January
> > 2006.
>
> You have a copy of that?
Your own cite showed it, cupcake.
Oh, wait, I see. It’s all just a big conspiracy and even the newspaper
is in on it!
> > Because the information in it was true and was verified, as we know.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wow.
So you have nothing. Got it.
> Just WOW. This thread has proven to bear more fruit than I thought it
> would when I started it.
If by fruit you mean proof that rightards like you are out of your
fuckin’ minds.
> You are...insane.
Projection. Acceptance of a verified original state document,
especially one that has been subject to so much scrutiny, is the norm.
Your delusional denial is what is insane.
> > More irony from a moron who “thinks” it was impossible for Obama to
> > get on a plane to visit family in Indonesia in 1982.
>
> He was living in indonesia then wasn't he?
No.
> or was that kenya...
Nope.
> oh who
> can keep up, the story changes so frequently.
The only story that has changed is you birthtards’ accounts, which
often conflict with one another. Why on earth would you hold Obama,
who has never changed any story, responsible for all you liars who
constantly change yours?
> > Nope. Not common at all. Nearly everyone on the planet knows
> > otherwise.
>
> Yeah except the people who ought to.
Nope, they know. The only people who reject it are the goober racist
nutters who don’t accept a black president.
> > They did, of course. You’re lying. They gave Obama a certified COLB,
> > then after nutbags kept banging their drums, they took the highly
> > unusual step of TWICE verifying in public that yes, the records are
> > correct.
>
> No, that would be the document that they released, not the review
> process. I would assume that they went to the vaults and dragged out
> his original long form cert.
And?
> > Then Keyes is of course a liar. I hadn’t heard that one before. Kindly
> > post a link to your cite.
>
> Everyone is a liar.
No, just you birthtards.
> Except your guys.
Who have been proven correct, yes. What is the “lie” you “think” “my
guys” have told? Hmmmm?
> > What does Bush lying about Iraq have to do with the fact that the
> > vital stats of Hawaii show Obama being born in Honolulu? You’re saying
> > because Bush lied, Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu? Is your brain about
> > to explode?
>
> No, I'm saying that you have tunnel vision and mental retardation.
You’re plainly insane. You “think” that because Bush lied about Iraq,
that somehow means Fukino is lying about Obama’s birth certificate?
Now I understand why you’re so fucked in the head, if that’s what you
“think” is a legitimate argument to make.
> > You claimed it too, moron. Either you give a shit or you don’t, make
> > up your clueless mind.
>
> I don't GIVE A SHIT...I was pretty clear on that from early on.
Actually from the volume of your delusional posts, and the intensity
of them as you sink into your pool of lies, sounds like you give a LOT
of shit about it, dearie.
Anyway, since you DID claim it, EXPLAIN the origin of your delusion
that it was impossible for Obama to travel to Pakistan and Indonesia
in 1982. And why you “think” your complete lie about it somehow
reflects on Obama.
> > Yes it has.
>
> No, it would be a novel question for the courts with regard to Natural
> Born.
It has been dealt with. SCOTUS has been very plain about it.
> > Nope. He isn’t.
>
> Given your lack of credibility …
??? I have proven you wrong on every single thing, Mr. “Can’t Go To
Indonesia.” If you imagine you have ANY credibility whatsoever, then
you must be smoking crack.
> if you told me the fucking sky was blue
> I'd go out and look for myself.
BWAHAHAHHAAA!! Seeing your delusions in action, you’d come back and
report that it’s green!!!
<snicker>
> > Who says there’s no record? BTW, his mom was in Indonesia, not
> > Pakistan. Keep your kooktardery straight.
>
> the site for debunking Obama conspiracy theories said she was in
> pakistan...
Show it, loon.
> if she was in indonesia then who the fuck was in pakistan?
> Al Qaida?
He went with a college friend who is Pakistani. There is no mystery
about this at all.
> > How could it have been under another nation’s passport? Why would it
> > have been? Passport records of individuals are private. That does not
> > mean they don’t exist. It means you don’t get to see them.
>
> They aren't fucking private,
They are, of course. You’re lying again.
> they're records kept by a government
> agency you freakin idiot. God damn you're dumb.
Ummm, OK, tell ya what, go ask for my passport records and tell me how
far up your ass the State Department tells you to go pound sand.
<chuckle>
> > WTF? Are you on drugs?
>
> If I am I hope I sober up soon because the entire world appears to be
> populated with idiots like you.
I have proven you wrong on everything, including your ludicrous claim
that passport records are public. You have quite the delusion about
yourself.
> > All of a sudden, it matters to you ten lines after you said it didn’t?
> > Are you bipolar?
>
> I said it doesn't matter TO ME.
And *I* noted that it appears to matter a great DEAL to you.
> It may pose a constitutional
> question...
It’s been settled long ago.
> learn to read, IDIOTFUCK.
Ouch! There goes my Irony Meter again. You owe me big time, kkkook.
> > Oh, OK, then you’re simply wrong. Got it.
>
> No, I'm eminently right.
Not about anything yet. What do you “think” you have been right about,
dearie? Seems you are uneducable.
> You ARE a complete motherfucking idiot.
Projection, since I proved you wrong.
> Anyone who jacks out the race card is a fucking tool and pathetic.
Calling a racist a racist is honorable. Your assertion is ludicrous on
its face.
> > Evidence is to the contrary.
>
> So is your HIV status.
See? More delusion.
> > Yes it is.
>
> Wasn't when I went to the office.
You’re lying.
It SAYS it’s good for court purposes RIGHT ON THE DOCUMENT, kookazoid.
I used the COLB to get passports, and the State Department says it
accepts them, so you’re simply proven to be a liar one more time.
> > Obama’s IS an actual birth certificate from the state.
>
> > It is IDENTICAL IN FORM to the certified copies of birth certificates
> > I obtained from THREE SEPARATE STATES for me and two of my kids awhile
> > back to get our passports. IDENTICAL.
>
> Good lord, you were allowed to have children? Somebody call CPS right
> now because your existence is child abuse and an affront to humanity.
Projection. I have prevailed on every single point of discussion here.
You are a delusional loon. FACT.
Deadrat
82fe-4944-b27...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
<snip/>
>> Then Keyes is of course a liar. I hadn�t heard that one before. Kindly
>> post a link to your cite.
>
> Everyone is a liar. Except your guys.
Nice dodge. I noticed you couldn't back up your claim about Keyes.
<snip/>
> Given your lack of credibility if you told me the fucking sky was blue
> I'd go out and look for myself.
Are you sure you could find it?
>
>> Who says there�s no record? BTW, his mom was in Indonesia, not
>> Pakistan. Keep your kooktardery straight.
>
> the site for debunking Obama conspiracy theories said she was in
> pakistan...if she was in indonesia then who the fuck was in pakistan?
> Al Qaida?
Could we have a url?
>> How could it have been under another nation�s passport? Why would it
>> have been? Passport records of individuals are private. That does not
>> mean they don�t exist. It means you don�t get to see them.
>
> They aren't fucking private, they're records kept by a government
> agency you freakin idiot. God damn you're dumb.
OK, try getting someone else's passport records. The gov keeps lots of
records. Some of them are private.
<snip/>
>
> Trav
>
Deadrat
7483cb...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
<snip/>
>> learn to read, IDIOTFUCK.
>
> Ouch! There goes my Irony Meter again. You owe me big time, kkkook.
You're simply going to have to invest in a better irony meter. I've got
one that meets Mil-Spec standards. Sure, it's a bit clunky and it costs
more than those cheap Chinese meters, but it's reliable and it can handle
most rightards.
<snip/>
trav...@aol.com
WTF would you know about reality?
> He volunteered to go to country? What does that mean? He went to his
> Daddy, and Daddy pulled strings to get Junior into the Texas Air National
> Guard so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam.
He VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO VIETNAM WHILE IN THE GUARD. This is what came
out in the aftermath of the CBS news trainwreck!
Yet we have you "reality based" people insisting EXACTLY the opposite
and still claiming that while the CBS documents were forged, they
STILL must be true!
> I don't believe he blew up the WTC.
You probably believe he had advance knowledge of the attack.
> That makes you a birther. You think that you can discern motive and
> behavioral patterns, and you regard that as evidence.
When people ACT like they have something to hide, they usually do!
> The myth of the antichrist is a fundie myth, more generally applied to
> Obama than to the WPE.
JFC, I wasn't using the term literally.
> I don't have any kids. And if yours are as clever as you, I don't hink
> anyone has to worry any time soon about their becoming "overlords."
You have no kids? Well, the human race just improved its chances.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
You said you had a printed copy. Provide it.
> Oh, wait, I see. It’s all just a big conspiracy and even the newspaper
> is in on it!
Conspiracy? Don't be absurd.
> So you have nothing. Got it.
The information about Busch in the NG "memo" was FALSE.
here's just one link of many discussing how Busch actually volunteered
to go to Nam and how CBS KNEW THAT.
yet you wingnuts keep believing but...but...but...SURELY Busch was a
draft dodger and was drunk and never reported for duty.
> Projection. Acceptance of a verified original state document,
> especially one that has been subject to so much scrutiny, is the norm.
> Your delusional denial is what is insane.
That wasn't what this particular discussion was about, moron.
It was about how you cling to your partisan pompoms no matter what the
evidence to the opposite.
> The only story that has changed is you birthtards’ accounts, which
> often conflict with one another. Why on earth would you hold Obama,
> who has never changed any story, responsible for all you liars who
> constantly change yours?
Where the fuck was the guy living then?
> Nope, they know. The only people who reject it are the goober racist
> nutters who don’t accept a black president.
No point in responding to anything past this point, retard.
You're a freakin racist retard. Lemme guess...you're white?
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Bama's gramma sold him out too?
Just bust out the vault copy and be done with it. They could shut
everybody up.
> Are you sure you could find it?
I think Busch and Chainy stole it.
> Could we have a url?
Fuck, man, am I your research dept?
> OK, try getting someone else's passport records. The gov keeps lots of
> records. Some of them are private.
No, these would be public records that they do not disclose.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> their originals. In fact, in many states including Hawaii you don’t
> get a copy of the original, you merely get the COLB, so it simply has
> to be sufficient. I didn’t, my kids didn’t. We got our passports.
Hopefully you leave and never come back, then. WTF are you waitin
for?
> He *is* done with it. The COLB is completely satisfactory.
Apparently not.
> Your childlike denial doesn’t cut it. The state that issued it has
> twice publicly verified that it issued it. By very definition, it
> cannot possibly be forged.
Pull out the original, be done with it.
> So what? What’s your point?
My point is that you are a fucking idiot.
> I still succeeded the first time.
You've been a failure in everything you've ever attempted.
> I got you dead bang to rights.
You've got freakin herpes is more likely.
> What wagon circling? You’re referring to mainstream America, which is
> laughing at KKKooks like you.
Mainstream america is laughably delusional. You fit right in.
> A lie of course. No such spending has occurred. You’re simply lying.
o...k....
hey man, whatever. No negative fact about NeO could be true, got it.
> So what? Hawaii issued him a COLB and that proves it beyond all
> ability to question it. It’s done, case closed.
That simply isn't true.
> So what? I don’t know how to break this to you since you haven’t
> actually read Article II, but the Constitution does not require the
> president to be born in a hospital or be delivered by a doctor of any
> kind at all. The answers to those personal questions simply aren’t at
> issue. Get it?
wtf...you can't stay on subject, can you? You have like a combination
of ADHD and Tourettes...to go with mental retardation.
> Why are YOU loons fighting it?
I'm not fighting anything except the stupidity you champion on this
forum.
> Not needed. And you’re lying again. It wouldn’t shut up you fucked-in-
> the-head nitwits at all. You’d just claim it was tampered with or
> something like that.
Your clairvoyance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
And, even if loons didn't accept it, so what? they'd be no different
from you and your band of merry busch haters who insist that the
forged NG documents were really the TRUTH.
> Who is Busch? The beer guy? What is it with you and misspelling his
> name? Is it some sort if nutbar code I am not familiar with?
It's one of many things you are not familiar with...I do it to be
derogatory. I think a low-rent beer sums up his Presidency.
> Still confused about gender?
>
> I am old enough to be your granny, moron.
Bitch, please.
> He didn’t. You’re just lying again.
Everyone just got the wrong idea from out of thin air.
> BWAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!! Hits close to home, I see.
No..not in the slightest. You lunatic Uncle toms play the race card
so often and shout racist to everyone who disagrees with you so
frequently that it's lost any impact whatsoever. It just exposes you
as a completely pathetic weasel and a fool.
> You gotta be kidding. Calling you racists racist is spot-on, goober.
What an uncle tom cunt you are.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Let it fester then and serve as a parasitic distraction to his
Presidency. That's MUCH better.
> And too bad that you can't get to see what you want. You'll just have to
> accept what the law allows.
Yeah, TARP and bailouts for Wall Street. Great stuff. Somebody needs
to forge a birth certificate and get rid of this guy before he puts us
another $2T in debt.
> Nice. Is that how your mother raised you to talk to people who claim to
> be women in cyberspace?
That's how she raised me to talk to cunts, yes.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Yeah, YOU
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> playing stupid. Maybe you really are.
It must be APR...I'll remove it. no interest in talking to dumb
cunts.
> Wow, if yer gonna name call at least make it fitting with the
> circumstances!
whatever bitch.
> Meaning you have no defense of your racism when called out on it.
You should know that it is logically impossible to prove a negative.
You are just a dumb trash cunt uncle tom.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com> wrote in news:68388a50-
> 788a-4d56-a288-791c036fb...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
Yeah, because the right was the plaintiff in the cases brought in
Florida, right?
Trav
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Your own cite showed it, cupcake.
>
> You said you had a printed copy. Provide it.
No I didn't. You seem to be a congenital liar. Show where you "think"
I said that, cupcake.
> > Oh, wait, I see. It’s all just a big conspiracy and even the newspaper
> > is in on it!
>
> Conspiracy? Don't be absurd.
Hey, it's your absurdity. YOU posted the link that says I am right and
now you're attacking it. Make up your kooker mind.
> > So you have nothing. Got it.
>
> The information about Busch in the NG "memo" was FALSE.
Bzzzzzttt! Nope, it was true, but thanks for trying to stick up for
your AWOL hero.
> > Projection. Acceptance of a verified original state document,
> > especially one that has been subject to so much scrutiny, is the norm.
> > Your delusional denial is what is insane.
>
> That wasn't what this particular discussion was about, moron.
Oh the irony from a proven liar who can't follow the discussion. You
have so many lies to keep straight its confused you.
> It was about how you cling to your partisan pompoms no matter what the
> evidence to the opposite.
BWAHAHHAAAAAA!!! ULTIMATE in projection from a completely biased lying
moron! Thanks for the laugh!! I needed the extra hour of sleep to
prepare for THAT one!
> > The only story that has changed is you birthtards’ accounts, which
> > often conflict with one another. Why on earth would you hold Obama,
> > who has never changed any story, responsible for all you liars who
> > constantly change yours?
>
> Where the fuck was the guy living then?
When?
> > Nope, they know. The only people who reject it are the goober racist
> > nutters who don’t accept a black president.
>
> No point in responding to anything past this point, retard.
Correct. Since your racism has been exposed you're embarrassed to
stick around and continue to justify your obvious proven lies.
> You're a freakin racist retard.
BWAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Wow, the power of denial is strong in you, kkkook.
> Lemme guess...you're white?
You sure as hell are, and very insecure about it too.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Nice dodge. I noticed you couldn't back up your claim about Keyes.
>
> Bama's gramma sold him out too?
Continued dodge duly noted.
> Just bust out the vault copy and be done with it. They could shut
> everybody up.
BWAHAHAHA!!! The actual true birth certificate hasn't shut anyone up,
just made the racist kkkooks froth even harder. Good one!!
> > Are you sure you could find it?
>
> I think Busch and Chainy stole it.
More dancing and evading. You dance as pretty as Ginger Rogers, fool.
> > Could we have a url?
>
> Fuck, man, am I your research dept?
Translation: No such cite exists. You should open a Dodge dealership,
you're quite good at offering dodges, kkkook.
> > OK, try getting someone else's passport records. The gov keeps lots of
> > records. Some of them are private.
>
> No, these would be public records that they do not disclose.
And that would make them private, kkkook.
It's funny when kkkooks get caught in lies and try to rationalize
brand new definitions.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Something must have been wrong with yours then. Most people never get
> > their originals. In fact, in many states including Hawaii you don’t
> > get a copy of the original, you merely get the COLB, so it simply has
> > to be sufficient. I didn’t, my kids didn’t. We got our passports.
>
> Hopefully you leave and never come back, then. WTF are you waitin
> for?
Why leave when I am having too much fun proving you wrong. You make it
easy, dope.
> > He *is* done with it. The COLB is completely satisfactory.
>
> Apparently not.
No, it is. Your denial does not actually create doubt, you see.
> > Your childlike denial doesn’t cut it. The state that issued it has
> > twice publicly verified that it issued it. By very definition, it
> > cannot possibly be forged.
>
> Pull out the original, be done with it.
No need. The COLB is completely sufficient and proves it beyond doubt.
> > So what? What’s your point?
>
> My point is that you are a fucking idiot.
Oh, OK, so your point is that you are wrong. Got it.
> > I still succeeded the first time.
>
> You've been a failure in everything you've ever attempted.
Then how come I proved everything you said to be a lie, kkkook?
> > I got you dead bang to rights.
>
> You've got freakin herpes is more likely.
Ah, the kkkooker meltdown commences. When cornered by FACTS, just
throw insults.
Won't work. Facts are unforgiving things.
> > What wagon circling? You’re referring to mainstream America, which is
> > laughing at KKKooks like you.
>
> Mainstream america is laughably delusional. You fit right in.
Oh the irony from a delusional kook who believes in things proven to
be lies.
> > A lie of course. No such spending has occurred. You’re simply lying.
>
> o...k....
>
> hey man, whatever. No negative fact about NeO could be true, got it.
Lack of ability to even try to prove your lie is duly noted.
You do realize the Obama campaign had legal expenses and that McCain's
law firm was actually paid MORE than the amount Obama paid his. The
billings were for two years of legal work on campaign issues. If Obama
paid anything at all to lawyers on these nuisance suits, it could only
have been nominal since at least one attorney did it pro bono and they
only required filing motions to dismiss. Easy peasy.
> > So what? Hawaii issued him a COLB and that proves it beyond all
> > ability to question it. It’s done, case closed.
>
> That simply isn't true.
Well, you're wrong. It simply is true. That's what a COLB is, that's
it's only purpose for being issued. Case closed.
But your childlike clinging to a disproven point is what makes you
such a cute little kkkooker. Persistence in the face of utter defeat,
gotta love it because kicking you fools stupid kooker asses is what
provides me with my daily dose of free entertainment.
> > So what? I don’t know how to break this to you since you haven’t
> > actually read Article II, but the Constitution does not require the
> > president to be born in a hospital or be delivered by a doctor of any
> > kind at all. The answers to those personal questions simply aren’t at
> > issue. Get it?
>
> wtf...you can't stay on subject, can you?
Ummm, rightard, this IS the subject. You hate the Constittiuon,
apparehntly.
Article II does not require a president to be born in a hospital You
have no right to that information. Don't you believe in limiting the
powers of government? You rightards sure love Big Brother when you
think you can use him for your illegal ends.
>You have like a combination
> of ADHD and Tourettes...to go with mental retardation.
Look, a retard is calling his betters retarded! Cute!
> > Why are YOU loons fighting it?
>
> I'm not fighting anything except the stupidity you champion on this
> forum.
Since I have proven you to be a delusional kkkook, that's pretty
funny, loon.
> > Not needed. And you’re lying again. It wouldn’t shut up you fucked-in-
> > the-head nitwits at all. You’d just claim it was tampered with or
> > something like that.
>
> Your clairvoyance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
Already proven. The actual true certified BC PLUS two public
verifications of Obama's Hawaiian birth hasn't shut them up, it's made
them worse. Desperate fools get more desperate when their delusions
are challenged, and you are proof of that.
> And, even if loons didn't accept it, so what?
So we stop with the proof, and don't go any farther, is what. Case
closed.
> they'd be no different
> from you and your band of merry busch haters who insist that the
> forged NG documents were really the TRUTH.
Wow, you are POWERFULLY stupid. The info was what was true, dope.
> > Who is Busch? The beer guy? What is it with you and misspelling his
> > name? Is it some sort if nutbar code I am not familiar with?
>
> It's one of many things you are not familiar with...
Yes, your lunacy. Good. I don't want to be too familiar with how your
lunatic mind "works."
> I do it to be
> derogatory. I think a low-rent beer sums up his Presidency.
Yet he's your heee-ro. Imagine that.
> > He didn’t. You’re just lying again.
>
> Everyone just got the wrong idea from out of thin air.
You get the wrong idea even when piled up with FACTS, loon. Not our
problem that you're retarded.
> > BWAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!! Hits close to home, I see.
>
> No..not in the slightest. You lunatic Uncle toms play the race card
> so often and shout racist to everyone who disagrees with you so
> frequently that it's lost any impact whatsoever. It just exposes you
> as a completely pathetic weasel and a fool.
Your racism is in your own posts, Cleopatra, Queen of Denial.
> > You gotta be kidding. Calling you racists racist is spot-on, goober.
>
> What an uncle tom cunt you are.
What a frothing rightarded luzer racist you are.
Iarnrod
wrote:
Thanks for even more proof that you are wrong 100% of the time, fool.
Iarnrod
wrote:
> > Sure, liar, sure. Play stupid, why doncha. Wait, maybe you're not
> > playing stupid. Maybe you really are.
>
> It must be APR...I'll remove it. no interest in talking to dumb
> cunts.
You can't stop yourself from lying. You didnt' remove it!! PROOF IN
YOUR OWN POST!!
Actually, you have no *ability* to talk with me because I have
thoroughly wiped the floor with your stupid kooker ass.