Who needs a job anyway? Oh, yeah, in order to buy the cancer sticks.
Bruce Watson
with Susquehanna Health System based in Williamsport.
Beginning Jan. 1, all job applicants must pass a nicotine
screening besides the current drug test. Those who fail will not
be hired, said Traci L. Witter, a spokeswoman for the health
system, which consists of Williamsport, Divine Providence and
Muncy Valley hospitals.
The ban on hiring smokers and other tobacco users is the first in
the state, according to the Pennsylvania Department of Health.
A ban on hiring tobacco users might stand up in court, one expert
said.
Valerie Burch, a staff lawyer for the American Civil Liberties
Union in Harrisburg, said tobacco users are not a protected class,
so the Susquehanna Health policy raises no civil rights issues.
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Jerry Okamura
is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else when they have a
"habit" that the government does not approve of.
"Bruce Watson" <anon...@nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:12588208...@irys.nyx.net...
Bruce Watson
Jerry Okamura <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>"Bruce Watson" <anon...@nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
>news:12588208...@irys.nyx.net...
>> If you smoke or use other tobacco products, don't apply for a job
>> with Susquehanna Health System based in Williamsport.
>> Beginning Jan. 1, all job applicants must pass a nicotine
>> screening besides the current drug test. Those who fail will not
>> be hired, said Traci L. Witter, a spokeswoman for the health
>> system, which consists of Williamsport, Divine Providence and
>> Muncy Valley hospitals.
>>
>> The ban on hiring smokers and other tobacco users is the first in
>> the state, according to the Pennsylvania Department of Health.
>>
>> A ban on hiring tobacco users might stand up in court, one expert
>> said.
>>
>> Valerie Burch, a staff lawyer for the American Civil Liberties
>> Union in Harrisburg, said tobacco users are not a protected class,
>> so the Susquehanna Health policy raises no civil rights issues.
>>
>>
>http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1258772114251600.xml&coll=1
>When we allowed the "government" to not hire someone who uses drugs, there
>is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else when they have a
>"habit" that the government does not approve of.
Nicotine use is not a habit. It's an addiction.
Jerry Okamura
Which is relevant to getting a job how?
Deadrat
news:r_UNm.46764$W77....@newsfe11.iad:
> When we allowed the "government" to not hire someone who uses drugs,
> there is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else when they
> have a "habit" that the government does not approve of.
Er, Jer? The employer is private.
Dänk 1010011010
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote innews:r_UNm.46764$W77....@newsfe11.iad:
>
> > When we allowed the "government" to not hire someone who uses drugs,
> > there is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else when they
> > have a "habit" that the government does not approve of.
>
> Er, Jer? The employer is private.
Not for long, since Obamacare will nationalize the health care
industry. I wonder how many Americans would support Obamacare if they
realized that a government-run medical system will 'encourage' them to
quit smoking using similar methods as described above.
Susquehanna Health System is not forcing anyone to quit smoking, it is
simply refusing to hire them -- or treat them. Obamacare won't force
Americans to quit smoking, it will simply refuse to insure them, and
there is a hefty fine imposed on Americans who fail to purchase the
mandatory coverage.
Deadrat
news:be702291-d81e-448c...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 21, 10:38�am, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> innews:r_UNm.46764$W77.
> 25...@newsfe11.iad:
>>
>> > When we allowed the "government" to not hire someone who uses
>> > drugs, there is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else
>> > when they have a "habit" that the government does not approve of.
>>
>> Er, Jer? �The employer is private.
>
> Not for long, since Obamacare will nationalize the health care
> industry.
Nobody in the health care field who isn't working for the gov now will be
working for the gov if any of the current health-care bills pass -- not
doctors, not hospital staff, and not insurance companyh employees.
> I wonder how many Americans would support Obamacare if they
> realized that a government-run medical system will 'encourage' them to
> quit smoking using similar methods as described above.
I wonder how many Americans would support single-payer if they understood
that that is exactly what Medicare is.
>
> Susquehanna Health System is not forcing anyone to quit smoking, it is
> simply refusing to hire them -- or treat them.
And you find this legally objectionable because?
> Obamacare won't force
> Americans to quit smoking, it will simply refuse to insure them,
The whole point of health insurance reform is to cover everyone,
regardless of "pre-existing conditions" like smoking.
> and
> there is a hefty fine imposed on Americans who fail to purchase the
> mandatory coverage.
And you find this legally objectionable because?
Er, Jer? There may be good reasons for opposing health-insurance reform,
e.g., you might be very wealthy and not want to have to pay for people
who can't afford health care today, but you're just making up shit here.
Bruce Watson
Nicotine comes first on the smokers' shopping list.
Some will lie about their smoking. Others will try to hide
it mistakenly thinking their colleagues (and bosses) can't
smell the residual smoke on them.
Nicotine addiction is very powerful. Heroin addicts say it compares
closely in its ability to enslave as their heroin.
Quitting is extremely difficult (but possible). Nicotine users
fiercely defend the drug. Few are likely to quit in order
to get or keep a job. Instead, they will take a lower paying
job which allows them to remain addicted.
Don't underestimate the power of the drug. Many have and learned
the hard way.
Dänk 1010011010
> In article <BnVNm.46779$W77.43...@newsfe11.iad>,
>
>
>
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >"Bruce Watson" <anon3...@nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
> >news:12588228...@irys.nyx.net...
> >> In article <r_UNm.46764$W77.25...@newsfe11.iad>,
> >> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>"Bruce Watson" <anon3...@nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:12588208...@irys.nyx.net...
> >>>> If you smoke or use other tobacco products, don't apply for a job
> >>>> with Susquehanna Health System based in Williamsport.
> >>>> Beginning Jan. 1, all job applicants must pass a nicotine
> >>>> screening besides the current drug test. Those who fail will not
> >>>> be hired, said Traci L. Witter, a spokeswoman for the health
> >>>> system, which consists of Williamsport, Divine Providence and
> >>>> Muncy Valley hospitals.
>
> >>>> The ban on hiring smokers and other tobacco users is the first in
> >>>> the state, according to the Pennsylvania Department of Health.
>
> >>>> A ban on hiring tobacco users might stand up in court, one expert
> >>>> said.
>
> >>>> Valerie Burch, a staff lawyer for the American Civil Liberties
> >>>> Union in Harrisburg, said tobacco users are not a protected class,
> >>>> so the Susquehanna Health policy raises no civil rights issues.
>
>
> >>>When we allowed the "government" to not hire someone who uses drugs, there
> >>>is no stopping government from not hiring anyone else when they have a
> >>>"habit" that the government does not approve of.
>
> >> Nicotine use is not a habit. It's an addiction.
>
> >Which is relevant to getting a job how?
>
> Nicotine comes first on the smokers' shopping list.
>
> Some will lie about their smoking. Others will try to hide
> it mistakenly thinking their colleagues (and bosses) can't
> smell the residual smoke on them.
>
> Nicotine addiction is very powerful. Heroin addicts say it compares
> closely in its ability to enslave as their heroin.
>
> Quitting is extremely difficult (but possible). Nicotine users
> fiercely defend the drug. Few are likely to quit in order
> to get or keep a job. Instead, they will take a lower paying
> job which allows them to remain addicted.
>
> Don't underestimate the power of the drug. Many have and learned
> the hard way.
I have no problem with other people's drug use as long it doesn't
affect me. While I can't stand the smell of tobacco smoke, it is
possible to use nicotine in other ways, such as gum or patches, that
doesn't bother other people.
I do love to smoke marijuana, though, but naturally I am very careful
to make sure other people can't smell it. Marijuana can be eaten,
though most people don't because it costs too much to consume it that
way. My opinion is that marijuana should be as legal or as illegal as
tobacco. If nicotine addicts can suck on their cancer sticks all day
and poison my air because they think it's their god-given right, I
should be allowed to do the same with my drug of choice.
As for mandatory drug testing for nicotine, well the smokers that now
object to it should have thought about the possibility when they
blindly accepted drug testing for other recreational drugs, believing
it was acceptable to persecute others for their drug habits as long as
they were exempt.
Bruce Watson
And the e-cigarette.
Give someone the opportunity to use a drug that doesn't do anything
but addict and what do they do?
They try it.
There's a sucker born every minute.
>I do love to smoke marijuana, though, but naturally I am very careful
>to make sure other people can't smell it. Marijuana can be eaten,
>though most people don't because it costs too much to consume it that
>way. My opinion is that marijuana should be as legal or as illegal as
>tobacco. If nicotine addicts can suck on their cancer sticks all day
>and poison my air because they think it's their god-given right, I
>should be allowed to do the same with my drug of choice.
That appears to be the trend.
>As for mandatory drug testing for nicotine, well the smokers that now
>object to it should have thought about the possibility when they
>blindly accepted drug testing for other recreational drugs, believing
>it was acceptable to persecute others for their drug habits as long as
>they were exempt.
Should have thought about it before they became addicted.
But once established the drug is extremely difficult to quit.
It's unlikely a minimum-wage job will ever require drug testing.
They just be resigned to that.