Sharia in Britain

[Metspitzer]

There are over one hundred Sharia courts in Britain. Can someone
enlighten me on how that is accomplished?
In a town where there is a Sharia court, is everyone in the town
Muslim? Could someone give me an example of how a Sharia law is
enforced equally for all?

[David L. Martel]

I think you are confused. Sharia courts in the UK are not connected with
the government or it's legal system. They are a creation of the muslim
community. It's commonly believed that Sharia courts do not enforce laws
"equally". An often expressed allegation is that women are treated badly in
Sharia divorces.

Good luck,
Dave M.

[deadrat]

On 6/18/13 2:41 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> There are over one hundred Sharia courts in Britain. Can someone
> enlighten me on how that is accomplished?

Under something called the Arbitration Act, people are free to select
methods of alternative dispute resolution (ADR). The Sharia courts are
officially known as Muslim Arbitration Tribunals. They have no
authority in civil marriage, civil divorce, or criminal law, and the
parties who go before them do so voluntarily.

> In a town where there is a Sharia court, is everyone in the town
> Muslim?

The courts are found in areas with a large Muslim population, but they
have no power to compel attendance.

> Could someone give me an example of how a Sharia law is
> enforced equally for all?

These courts are not intended for "all," just for those who select them.
All such ADR tribunals are supposed to have oversight in the public
interest, but the Muslim tribunals often discriminate against women.

[Metspitzer]

Are the "judges"? "Jurors"? exclusively Muslim?

[deadrat]

I don't think there are judges or jurors, just arbitrators.

> exclusively Muslim?

Yes.

[Bill Graham]

No free country should have any Sharia courts. They are inherently racist by
their very nature. If some religion preached murdering your first born,
would you say, "Oh, that's OK. Its part of their religion, so we shouldn't
mess with that."?

[Bill Graham]

So is it OK for them to stone their women to death for adultry?

[Bill Graham]

In a constitutional republic, the constitution stands as a deterrent against
the exploitation of minorities by the majority. It doesn't matter if a woman
says its OK to be discriminated against by the men. The law should protect
her anyway, iven against her wishes. Unfortunately, GB doesn't (apparently)
have a constitution.

[deadrat]

And BG grabs the Ball-peen Hammer award from richard with this gem.

Free countries allow people to pick their own method of dispute
resolution in certain cases.

Sharia courts in Britain adjudicate disputes only when both parties
agree to submit their dispute to those courts. The courts have no
powers of coercion, they have no authority to disturb civil law
institutions, like marriage, and they have no authority in criminal
matters. They deal with religious issues like religious marriage and
religious divorce and with petty matters like disputes between neighbors.

[deadrat]

Of course not, you blithering ignoramus. Sharia courts in Britain have
no authority to impose the death penalty.

What's wrong with you?

[deadrat]

Dumber than a crate of ball-peen hammers.

[David L. Martel]

Bill,

The UK is a constitutional monarchy.

Good luck,
Dave M.

[David L. Martel]

deadrat,

He's pretty amazing. He's so taken by these Musselmen and Sharia, that he
fails to see the Beth Din and the Jews, et c. Arbitration by religous
wisemen is common. Arbitration by irreligous wisemen is too.

Good luck,
Dave M.

[Bill Graham]

I wonder what kind of a constitution they have that allows Sharia courts
within their borders? - It must be a deteriorating one, just like ours.

[Gordon Burditt]

>>> There are over one hundred Sharia courts in Britain. Can someone
>>> enlighten me on how that is accomplished?
>>
>>Under something called the Arbitration Act, people are free to select
>>methods of alternative dispute resolution (ADR). The Sharia courts are
>>officially known as Muslim Arbitration Tribunals. They have no
>>authority in civil marriage, civil divorce, or criminal law, and the
>>parties who go before them do so voluntarily.

In the United States, there are similar provisions for arbitration,
and they have Judge Judy and a bunch of other TV courts. Officially,
they are arbitrators. They decide cases like landlord vs. tenant,
business/consumer disputes, roommate arguments, and auto accident
cases. Those who wish to appear on those shows agree to abide by
the decision of the arbitrator. Both sides may "win" because there
is some payment for being on the show (you never hear about how
much that is, though), which might not be entirely wiped out if you
lose your case. It is common that the side that "wins" the lawsuit
part gets significantly less than what they were asking for.

Judge Judy and the others at least claim to follow the law in the
jurisdiction of the dispute. Lawyers probably consider that to be
a joke, though, or at least if they follow such things they have
some outrageous exceptions to talk about. There is not, however,
family and community pressure to use a TV Court, like there often
is with Sharia courts.

>>> In a town where there is a Sharia court, is everyone in the town
>>> Muslim?
>>
>>The courts are found in areas with a large Muslim population, but they
>>have no power to compel attendance.
>>
>>> Could someone give me an example of how a Sharia law is
>>> enforced equally for all?

Justice would dictate that an arbitrator in a Sharia court be
religiously turned into a woman. No surgery involved, but they
have to obey the laws as though they were women, complete with
locking burka, for the next 5 years or so.

>>These courts are not intended for "all," just for those who select them.
>> All such ADR tribunals are supposed to have oversight in the public
>>interest, but the Muslim tribunals often discriminate against women.
>
> Are the "judges"? "Jurors"? exclusively Muslim?

I expect that the arbitrators are all Muslim. There wouldn't be
much point, otherwise.

I wonder what would happen if a divorce case were to be decided by
a Sharia court, and the woman, being somewhat liberated living in
the UK, after getting some harsh penalty, started burning the Koran,
plastering the court with pictures of Mohammed having sex with
animals, and screaming insults about Islam.

[Bill Graham]

If its not a criminal court, then the people conserned are free to arbitrate
any way they want, so all bets are off. Presumably, the women are, "of age"
and can do whatever they want, even to the extent that they give up their
own rights.

[Greegor]

Hi there Zeppy!

[Greegor]

Hi Zeppy!

[deadrat]

The UK doesn't have a constitution in the sense that the US does -- a
single document that outlines the powers of the state.

[deadrat]

On 6/19/13 8:17 AM, Bill Graham wrote:
> David L. Martel wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> The UK is a constitutional monarchy.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Dave M.
>
> I wonder

Why don't you look it up, you blithering ignoramus?

> what kind of a constitution they have <snip/>

[deadrat]

On 6/19/13 8:27 AM, Gordon Burditt wrote:
>>>> There are over one hundred Sharia courts in Britain. Can someone
>>>> enlighten me on how that is accomplished?
>>>
>>> Under something called the Arbitration Act, people are free to select
>>> methods of alternative dispute resolution (ADR). The Sharia courts are
>>> officially known as Muslim Arbitration Tribunals. They have no
>>> authority in civil marriage, civil divorce, or criminal law, and the
>>> parties who go before them do so voluntarily.
>
> In the United States, there are similar provisions for arbitration,

> and they have Judge Judy and a bunch of other TV courts. <snip/>

Judge Judy is a Muslim?

Tell me it ain't so!

[Metspitzer]

Marrying under age girls?

[Metspitzer]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:59:37 -0400, Metspitzer <Kilo...@charter.net>
wrote:

More than one wife?

[deadrat]

What about marrying underage girls? You think Sharia courts in Britain
perform marriage ceremonies between men and underage girls?

Er, no.

[deadrat]

Do you think that Sharia courts in Britain perform polygamous marriages?

Er, no.

[Metspitzer]

Immigrants with multiple wives will get more benefits, officials admit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9433441/Immigrants-with-multiple-wives-will-get-more-benefits-officials-admit.html

Officials have admitted that polygamous households, of which there are
an estimated 1,000 in Britain, could be handed more money under
reforms to the welfare system.

Currently the state effectively recognises polygamous marriages by
paying extra wives smaller amounts of income support in addition to
the normal sum received by the husband and their first spouse.

When the streamlined Universal Credit regime is introduced next year,
this policy will be scrapped.

But a House of Commons library paper admits that as an unintended
consequence of this, any second or third wives in a household would be
able to claim a full single person�s benefits in addition to the
standard amount claimed by the husband and their first wife. So in
total the polygamous family would receive more than they currently do.

The report states: �Treating second and subsequent partners in
polygamous relationships as separate claimants could, in some
situations, mean that polygamous households receive more under
Universal Credit than they do under the current rules for means-tested
benefits and tax credits.�

[deadrat]

<snip/>

Thanks for sharing. This has nothing to do with Sharia courts.

Britain apparently recognizes polygamous marriages performed in other
countries where the practice is legal. In the UK, it's not possible to
legally marry more than one person at a time.

[al...@rev.net]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:34:59 PM UTC-4, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/18/13 2:41 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>
> > There are over one hundred Sharia courts in Britain. Can someone
>
> > enlighten me on how that is accomplished?
>
>
>
> Under something called the Arbitration Act, people are free to select
>
> methods of alternative dispute resolution (ADR).

It's different in the colonies. A Merkin who signs a credit card contract relinquishes freedom to choose anything but arbitration.

> > Could someone give me an example of how a Sharia law is
>
> > enforced equally for all?

> These courts are not intended for "all," just for those who select them.
>
> All such ADR tribunals are supposed to have oversight in the public
>
> interest, but the Muslim tribunals often discriminate against women.

Like most other religions, Islam has several denominations. What if Muslim women organized their own denomination, adhering to a feminist version of the Koran, and operating its own Sharia courts?

Aloha,
Gosala II
<http://www.rev.net/~aloe/ajivika>