Is Obama An American Citizen?
Don Gabacho
August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
views: 959 | comments: 52
It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an American
citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news media about this.
Where is the story New York Times?
Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney General, raises questions about
the place of Barack Hussein's birth. He contends that Obama was born in
Kenya and that his mother merely registered his birth in Hawaii.
Berg a prominent Philidelphia attorney, former gubernatorial and senatorial
candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County,
former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney
General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days
before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the
health of the Democratic Party. Berg filed suit this afternoon in the U.S.
District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois
Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal
Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator
from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from
nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is
constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of
the United States.
Berg claims in the lawsuit, that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as
Senator Obama claims (and we all know Obama doesn't lie). The lawsuit
claims Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented
from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy,
"apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." Which is
also what Obama's paternal grandmother, half brother and half sister have
also claimed.
According to Berg, inconsistent accounts of Obama's birth, including
reports that he was born in two different hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and
Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records
for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for
Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.
If Obama was really born in Kenya, Berg says, thelaws on the books at the
time of Obama's birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child
born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and a non parent if the former is at
least 19 years of age. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time and
therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him,
Obama couldn't be registered as a "natural born" citizen and is thus not
eligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the
United States Constitution.
Berg also states that if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed
"natural born" that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his
mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married
Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses
copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta,
Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry
Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
Read the entire story here.
http://www.newscred.com/article/show/title/msm-ignores-democrat-lawsuit-against-obama-48af298aa757a
Deadrat
news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
> views: 959 | comments: 52
>
>
> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news media
> about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>
Because it's nonsense.
Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
Tim Crowley
hint: you're fear and hate is showing again.
Tim Crowley
> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote innews:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
he doesn't believe it. He knows it's lies. He knows that spreading
lies is the only way he can advance his hate. He knows exactly what
he's doing.
Potatora
> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote innews:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
But it's kinda fun. And if you look into the history of the sovereign
Kingdom of Hawaii, and how the US participated in the overthrow of the
monarchy, and the Senate has acknowledged this fact in two
resolutions, a good case could be made that no person born in Hawaii
is a US citizen by birth. There are lots of people in Hawaii who would
passionately agree that Hawaii is not part of the US.
Reality_CheckŠ
> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
> views: 959 | comments: 52
>
>
> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
> American citizen.
Only lowlife racist white-trash scumsuckers like you would
pretend that's a "question", you repugnant piece of shit.
Reality_CheckŠ
As there are in Puerto Rico ... and even Texas ...
Deadrat
news:8ab40c9e-5834-4723...@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
I try to read minds as little as possible on a newsgroup. Don Gazpacho is
a very confused person, at least going by what he posts.
Deadrat
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> On Aug 23, 7:09 pm, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote
>> innews:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>> > IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>> > August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>> > views: 959 | comments: 52
>>
>> > It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
>> > American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
>> > media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>>
>> Because it's nonsense.
>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>
> But it's kinda fun. And if you look into the history of the sovereign
> Kingdom of Hawaii, and how the US participated in the overthrow of the
> monarchy, and the Senate has acknowledged this fact in two
> resolutions, a good case could be made that no person born in Hawaii
> is a US citizen by birth.
If by "good case," you mean no case at all. Hawaii became a state before
Obama was born there. Maybe it shouldn't have ever been a territory, and
maybe it should therefore never have been admitted to the Union. But it
was by an act of Congress, and that makes anyone born there a US citizen.
> There are lots of people in Hawaii who would
> passionately agree that Hawaii is not part of the US.
Maybe you could find some who would passionately argue that Hawaii *should*
not be part of the US. But legally it is.
In any case, the nonsense I snipped claims that Obama was born in Kenya and
his birth certificate is forged.
Kent Wills
I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter, but he is a U.S. Citizen.
A copy of his birth certificate can be seen here:
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
>> Don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote in
>> news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>>> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>>> views: 959 | comments: 52
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
>>> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
>>> media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>>>
>> Because it's nonsense.
>>
>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>
> I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
Name Kent Bradley Wills
Offender Number 1155768
Sex M
Birth Date 01/08/1969
Age 38
Location Interstate Compact
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fargo116
> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
Yep.
S. Olson
richard
wrote:
>IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>views: 959 | comments: 52
>
>
>It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an American
>citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news media about this.
>Where is the story New York Times?
>
Actually, this issue has been brought up before a few times.
So far, no one has been able to prove any of the claims.
As has Mccain's qualifications.
Under the actual wording of the constitution, Obama is qualified
simply because he was born on US soil.
In the late 50's and 60's airlines rarely refused service to anyone.
Even to an expectant mother. So unless Berg has some evidence that the
airlines did refuse her boarding due to this issue, then he might have
a case.
Yet McCain is qualified even though it is known fact he was born in
Panama? AFAIK, the qualifying section was never amended by Congress.
Congress simply passed an act making births in Panama to railroad
employees citizens. I don't believe this qualifies McCain.
Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH candidates
for Presidency are rejected because neither is a natural born citizen?
What happens then?
Don Gabacho
You're an idiot.
Don Gabacho
"Only lowlife racist trash scumsukers like you would pretend" that
somehow I'm the author of the report posted, "you repugnant piece of
shit."
Don Gabacho
> Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH candidates
> for Presidency are rejected because neither is a natural born citizen?
> What happens then?
Change America!
Reality_CheckŠ
You're a lying racist piece of crap.
Reality_CheckŠ
Exterminate ALL Racists.
Deadrat
news:ivn1b4l8dk5mef691...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:51:54 -0400, Don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>>IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>>August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>>views: 959 | comments: 52
>>
>>
>>It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
American
>>citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news media about
this.
>>Where is the story New York Times?
>>
>
>
> Actually, this issue has been brought up before a few times.
> So far, no one has been able to prove any of the claims.
>
> As has Mccain's qualifications.
>
> Under the actual wording of the constitution, Obama is qualified
> simply because he was born on US soil.
>
> In the late 50's and 60's airlines rarely refused service to anyone.
> Even to an expectant mother. So unless Berg has some evidence that the
> airlines did refuse her boarding due to this issue, then he might have
> a case.
>
> Yet McCain is qualified even though it is known fact he was born in
> Panama? AFAIK, the qualifying section was never amended by Congress.
> Congress simply passed an act making births in Panama to railroad
> employees citizens. I don't believe this qualifies McCain.
As Far As You Know! You live entirely in the world of your own opinion.
The question of whether a Zonian is a natural born citizen is not
something that Congress has any say over.
> Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH candidates
> for Presidency are rejected because neither is a natural born citizen?
> What happens then?
Who would "reject" a candidate before a national election?
Technically, you vote for a slate of electors to the Electoral College.
If a President were found to be not qualified, presumably the office
would be declared vacant and the sucession rules would be followed.
ßDoüg±Ç
news:6hbslqF...@mid.individual.net...
Have you ever heard of free speech? It would've been better
if you could have come up w/a convincing argument instead
of insults.
Operation Perkôff
"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:51:54 -0400, Don Garbonzo <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
> >IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
> >August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
> >views: 959 | comments: 52
> >
> >
> >It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an American
> >citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news media about this.
> >Where is the story New York Times?
> >
>
>
> Actually, this issue has been brought up before a few times.
> So far, no one has been able to prove any of the claims.
Give the legume a break. Garbonzo itself isn't an American, and doesn't
understand English.
Tim Crowley
hint: you're the one spewing known lies. All you have is hate and
fear. It's all you will ever have. Now spam some more lies, you racist
pig. Do it now.
Tim Crowley
You posted it. Now you wanna run from it? BuahAhahqahahaha. Poor
little spammer, got busted spewing lies. hint: all you will ever be a
a frightened, hateful, usenet spammer.
fargo116
Then the Tooth Fairy shows up and has a Cage Match with Santa!
It's about as likely.
S. Olson
Roy Blankenship
"ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote in message
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> "Reality_Check©" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
Have YOU ever heard of free speech? He was expressing his disgust at a topic
that has been dragged through the mud ad nauseum. It is a NON-issue on both
sides and there is no "argument". Anything to cast negativity on Obama, I am
SICK of it. Any neocons have a REAL issue?
Deadrat
19a682...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Maybe. But plenty of people can still remember apartheid in the US.
That changed.
> S. Olson
>
fargo116
> fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ac06b9c4-77e5-40a4-979a-
> 19a682dc2...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Aug 23, 10:41 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 24, 12:27 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH candidates
> >> > for Presidency are rejected because neither is a natural born citizen?
> >> > What happens then?
>
> >> Change America!
>
> > Then the Tooth Fairy shows up and has a Cage Match with Santa!
>
> > It's about as likely.
>
> Maybe. But plenty of people can still remember apartheid in the US.
> That changed.
Aparthied has nothing to do with it, Dead. They are both American
citizens.
S. Olson
Deadrat
news:dbe8fe84-168a-4153...@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
I can't understand your statement. If I'm following the attributions
correctly, Don Gazpacho exclaimed "Change America!" To which you replied
that change is about as likely as the Tooth Fairy sparring with Santa.
That as may be. But in my lifetime I've seen US apartheid ('e' before
'i' after 'h') dismantled. So change is possible.
As to the original question, Obama is a citizen by the 14th Amendment
since he was born in a state, Hawaii. No one really knows for sure what
"natural born" means for Zonian-born citizens like McCain, who were not
born in a state. The Supreme Court would have to say.
> S. Olson
Reality_CheckŠ
> fargo116 <farg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Washington D.C. isn't a "state" ... doesn't even get voting representation
in Congress,
neither does Puerto Rico, Guam or any other U$ Colonialist Occupied
Territories.
And what of births occurring at U$ Embassies overseas, or on U$ ships
(military or merchant)
that are outside of U$ waters ? McMurdo Base in Antarctica ? On U$ aircraft
outside of U$ airspace?
On foreign aircraft inside U$ Airspace? What of pregnant women "specially
rendered" from the U$ to overseas
CIA torture chambers? Or babies born to foreign women who got "special
rendition" from overseas
to U$ soil for indefinite imprisonment? What of the "rape babies" born at
overseas U$ military bases like Gitmo?
Inquiring minds want to know ...
Reality_CheckŠ
Middle Class Warrior
> Deadrat wrote:
>> fargo116 <farg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> On Aug 24, 5:42 pm, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>> fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ac06b9c4-77e5-40a4-979a-
>>>> 19a682dc2...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 23, 10:41 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 24, 12:27 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH
>>>>>>> candidates for Presidency are rejected because neither is a
>>>>>>> natural born citizen? What happens then?
Obama was born in Hawaii. the Sate of Hawaii has confirmed that. McCain
was born in Panama on a military base leased from the Panamanian
government. Technically, he is not an American citizen. There is a law
on the books that made the children or servicemen and women citizens,
but it was passed after McCain was born.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html
Deadrat
news:6hehg0F...@mid.individual.net:
All states and Washington, DC are sovereign territory of the US.
The key question about other areas is whether the territory is
incorporated or not. All territory is also classified as organized or
not, i.e., whether it has a US sanctioned government or not.
There are no incorporated organized territories. The last one was
Hawaii.
There is one incorporated unorganized territory, a nature preserve that
used to be part of the Territory of Hawaii.
US coastal waters, US embassies, and US flagships in international waters
(and presumably US aircaraft in international airspace), have the status
of incorporated unorganized territory.
All of these count for purposes of natural born citizenship.
There are four unincorporated organized territories (Northern Marianas,
Guam, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands). The Panama Canal Zone
used to be one of these.
There are about a dozen unincorporated unorganized territories, mostly
small islands. Only one, American Samoa, is inhabited.
Gitmo is a special case. It's leased, but in perpetuity, and from recent
Supreme Court decisions, the US is sovereign there, unlike other military
bases in foreign countries.
No one really knows whether these count for purposes of NBC.
> Inquiring minds want to know ...
You? Inquiring? Bwahahahahahaha!
Good one.
Deadrat
$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com:
> Reality_CheckŠ wrote:
>> Deadrat wrote:
>>> fargo116 <farg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> On Aug 24, 5:42 pm, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>> fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ac06b9c4-77e5-40a4-979a-
>>>>> 19a682dc2...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 10:41 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 12:27 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH
>>>>>>>> candidates for Presidency are rejected because neither is a
>>>>>>>> natural born citizen? What happens then?
>
> Obama was born in Hawaii. the Sate of Hawaii has confirmed that. McCain
> was born in Panama on a military base leased from the Panamanian
> government. Technically, he is not an American citizen.
Wrong. The laws on the books at the time made McCain a US citizen. What's
at issue is whether he's a "natural born citizen." Congress cannot
legislate the meaning of that term.
<snip/>
Don Gabacho
wrote:
> Anything to cast negativity on Obama, I am
> SICK of it.
Why? What makes Obama so special?
> Any neocons have a REAL issue?
The issue of the conflict of interest inherent to dual or multiple
citzenships, sought or conferred, particularly with anyone seeking
(much less occupying) any public trust in the U.S.A. is a very "real
issue;" and no more a "neocon" issue than I am supposedly a "neocon"
or a "racist" issue any more than I am supposedly "racist."
It is not a "racist" issue.
Nor is it a "neolib" issue.
It is a very "real" issue whether it bothers you or not.
Don Gabacho
Then you better clue Obama.
Tazmanian Devil
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forevernitefan
> Kent Wills wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> >>news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>
> >>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
> >>> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
> >>> views: 959 | comments: 52
>
> >>> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
> >>> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
> >>> media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>
> >> Because it's nonsense.
>
> >> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>
> > I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>
> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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> Name Kent Bradley Wills
> Offender Number 1155768
> Sex M
> Birth Date 01/08/1969
> Age 38
> Location Interstate Compact
> Offense BURGLARY 2ND DEGREE
> County Of Commitment Polk
> Commitment Date 01/16/2004
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Blattus Slafaly
need 'night of the living dead' in the white house.
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Lamont Cranston
> On Aug 24, 7:16 pm, "Roy Blankenship"
> <pointbla...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Anything to cast negativity on Obama, I am
> > SICK of it.
>
> Why? What makes Obama so special?
>
> > Any neocons have a REAL issue?
>
> The issue of the conflict of interest inherent to dual or
> multiple
> citzenships, sought or conferred, particularly with anyone
> seeking
> (much less occupying) any public trust in the U.S.A. is a
> very "real
> issue;" and no more a "neocon" issue than I am supposedly
> a "neocon"
> or a "racist" issue any more than I am supposedly
> "racist."
Obama is a citizen of one country. You are simply a
delusional racist.
>
> It is not a "racist" issue.
>
> Nor is it a "neolib" issue.
>
> It is a very "real" issue whether it bothers you or not.
It is a nothing issue -- one that you made up because you
are one very sick bastard. Seek help immediately.
Deadrat
18b082...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> On Aug 24, 7:16 pm, "Roy Blankenship" <pointbla...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Anything to cast negativity on Obama, I am
>> SICK of it.
>
> Why? What makes Obama so special?
>
>> Any neocons have a REAL issue?
>
> The issue of the conflict of interest inherent to dual or multiple
> citzenships, sought or conferred,
But Obama doesn't have dual citizenship. He hasn't sought any, and the
only candidate country, his father's, is Kenya, which not only doesn't
confer dual citizenship but prohibits it.
> particularly with anyone seeking
> (much less occupying) any public trust in the U.S.A. is a very "real
> issue;"
I'm glad you're using irony quotes.
> and no more a "neocon" issue than I am supposedly a "neocon"
> or a "racist" issue any more than I am supposedly "racist."
>
> It is not a "racist" issue.
>
> Nor is it a "neolib" issue.
>
> It is a very "real" issue whether it bothers you or not.
What bothers people are the real issues, such as the war in Iraq, the
crashing economy, our energy dependence, and numerous others. Your
obsession notwithstanding.
Benj
> > And what of births occurring at U$ Embassies overseas, or on U$ ships
> > (military or merchant)
> > that are outside of U$ waters ? McMurdo Base in Antarctica ? On U$
> > aircraft outside of U$ airspace?
> > Inquiring minds want to know ...
I have heard that while the media constantly drones that McCain was
born in Panama, He was actually born on a ship outside of US waters at
the time. If it's true, I'm sure it's REALLY covered up well!
Benj
wrote:
> He looks more and more like a corpse every day doesn't he? We don't
> need 'night of the living dead' in the white house.
Yeah, Che lives, but...
Unfortunately, we don't need "Red Dawn" in the White House either!
Felix D.
"Blattus Slafaly" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> He looks more and more like a corpse every day doesn't he? We don't
> need 'night of the living dead' in the white house.
>
Put Obama in there, and we'll have the "night of the brain dead"
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Aug 23, 9:24 pm, "Reality_CheckŠ" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
>> Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in
>>>> news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>>>>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>>>>> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>>>>> views: 959 | comments: 52
>>
>>>>> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
>>>>> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
>>>>> media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>>
>>>> Because it's nonsense.
>>
>>>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>>
>>> I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>>
>> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
>
>
> Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
Only to a lying moron like you who thinks "Pollack" is a race, you
stammering cunt.
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Aug 24, 7:16 pm, "Roy Blankenship" <pointbla...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Anything to cast negativity on Obama, I am
>> SICK of it.
>
> Why? What makes Obama so special?
>
>> Any neocons have a REAL issue?
>
> The issue of the conflict of interest inherent to dual or multiple
> citzenships,
Bullshit.
> sought or conferred, particularly with anyone seeking
> (much less occupying) any public trust in the U.S.A. is a very "real
> issue;" and no more a "neocon" issue than I am supposedly a "neocon"
> or a "racist" issue any more than I am supposedly "racist."
You are a racist, you bigoted piece of crap.
>
> It is not a "racist" issue.
Yet you're still a racist, you bigoted piece of crap.
>
> Nor is it a "neolib" issue.
>
> It is a very "real" issue whether it bothers you or not.
You're lying again you bigoted racist piece of crap.
Reality_CheckŠ
So would Cesarean births be "natural" ?
Or in-vitro ?
Reality_CheckŠ
> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in
>> Deadrat wrote:
>>> fargo116 <farg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> On Aug 24, 5:42 pm, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>> fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Interesting.
>
>> Inquiring minds want to know ...
>
> You? Inquiring? Bwahahahahahaha!
>
> Good one.
Occasionally there exists knowledge outside the realm of my
vast consciousness, call it unincorporated organized information,
which I seek to assimilate ...
BTW ... resistance is futile.
Dave
> the time.
Doesn't matter. He was born to two American citizens and is therefore
considered a natural born citizen, no matter where in the world the
birth took place.
forevernitefan
> forevernitefan wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
" Pollack" is the word YOU used to mean someone of Polish descent.
You know as well as I do it was a racist attack on Kent. You also know
that a person's ethnic heitage, when attacked by scum like you, is
sometimes called a race. That is why hatemongers like you are called
racists. The word " Pollack" is a derrogatory slang and you know it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
#######################
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences
between different groups of people, even though anybody can be
racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to
the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the
term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.
########################
And dang, you even misspelled one of your favorite words:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack
###########################
For persons named Polack, see Polack (surname).
The noun Polack (pō'lāk') used in the English language is a derogatory
reference to a person of Polish descent[1] and an onomatopoeia
imitating the sound of the Polish language word Polak (spelled without
the "c"), which, in the Polish language, means a Polish male person
(feminine Polka). The noun "Polack" spelled with the "c" however, does
not exist in the Polish language contrary to a popular misconception.
It is not a Polish word.
In the Polish language the English word "Polack" is pronounced as
"po'lá-tz-k" thus rendering it meaningless to a Polish listener.
According to Online Etymology Dictionary by Douglas Harper, "Polack"
meant as "Polish immigrant, person of Polish descent" was used in
American English until the late 19th century (1879) to describe a
"Polish person" in a non-offensive way (1574). Dictionary.com
Unabridged (v 1.1) based on the Unabridged Dictionary by Random House
claims that the word originated between 1590-1600.
Today, in the English-speaking world, the word "Polack" is an ethnic
slur:
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive (Random House Unabridged Dictionary)
Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a person of Polish
birth or descent (The American Heritage(R) Dictionary)
The only acceptable English language alternative to the term "Polish
person" today is Pole (see also: Naming Poland in foreign languages).
Nevertheless, in some other languages such as Swedish e.g., Polack is
an acceptable expression for a person from Poland.[2]
###################
Any more excuses Jonesie?
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Aug 25, 3:02 pm, "Reality_Check(c)" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
>> forevernitefan wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 9:24 pm, "Reality_Check(c)" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
>>>> Kent Wills wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>>>>>>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
>>>>>>> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
>>>>>>> views: 959 | comments: 52
>>
>>>>>>> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
>>>>>>> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
>>>>>>> media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>>
>>>>>> Because it's nonsense.
>>
>>>>>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>>
>>>>> I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>>
>>>> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
>>
>>> Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
>>
>> Only to a lying moron like you who thinks "Pollack" is a race, you
>> stammering cunt.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan
>
>
So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
Kent Wills
Sadly for Jonezie, who only posts such things under his Reality
Check nym since he knows it's blocked somewhere between his server and
mine, it's not true.
He's mad because he got caught posting racist threats. He freely
admitted that the law enforcement personnel took notes during the
meeting, something no one else knew had happened.
Jonezie:
>> Or you could discuss the holocaust of Native Americans by
>> the invading White Man ...
>
Deadrat:
> Sure. I for Indian or N for Native?
Jonezie:
S for Savage.
Prof. Jonez expressing his racial HATE for Native Americans.
Message-ID: <6b3i56F...@mid.individual.net>
Phred A'Neadel
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
Kent Wills
<fvr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>> >> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>>
>> > I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>>
>> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
>
>
> Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
Bigoted, but not racist. I still fall under the white
demographic. However, Jonezie sees me as a "race traitor" (his words)
because I'm married to and have children with a non-while woman.
Jonezie is really mad that he proved he was the author of the
posts when he mentioned that law enforcement took notes during the
meeting regarding his threats to my children.
No one else here knew any notes were taken during the meeting. I
made mention of notes made at some point after the meeting, but only
the racist scum, Prof. Jonez, commented on notes made DURING the
meeting.
fargo116
The fish race, you neo-Nazi fuck.
S. Olson
Reality_CheckŠ
Bullshit.
US constitutional definition
The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born
citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an
uniform Rule of Naturalization."
Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States."
Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: "[N]o
person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be
eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
It is thought the origin of the natural-born citizen clause can be traced to
a letter of July 25, 1787 from John Jay to George Washington, presiding
officer of the Constitutional Convention. John Jay wrote: "Permit me to
hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to
the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national
Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the
American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born
Citizen." There was no debate, and this qualification for the office of the
Presidency was introduced by the drafting Committee of Eleven, and then
adopted without discussion by the Constitutional Convention.
The 2003 Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment, a proposed amendment to the
US Constitution, would, if adopted, have removed the prohibition against
naturalized citizens holding the office of the President.
[edit] US presidential candidates born outside the US
"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on
foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside
the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights."[1] Though
every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a
citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or
Washington D.C.[2], a number of presidential candidates have been born
elsewhere.[3]
Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born
in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a
state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United
States.[4]
George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born
in Mexico to U.S. parents.
Romney's grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and
children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S.
citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years
old when he arrived in Michigan.
John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the
presumptive Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S.
military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents.
Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United
States,[5] federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or
after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of
this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of
such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a
citizen of the United States".[6] The law that conferred this status took
effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born - albeit with
retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[7]
However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot
be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2)
it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only
that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at
the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all
persons born to US citizens outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the
United States" but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was within the
limits and jurisdictions of the United States. Thus, the status of Mr.
McCain remains unsettled.[8]
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:09:13 -0400, "Tazmanian Devil"
> <my...@biteme.com> wrote:
>> >> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>> Don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote in
>>>>>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
You just can't stop lying, can you Kunt?
"You are in the Kill File. Have been for a while.
Note that I can only reply if I read someone
else's reply to you." -- Kent B Wills
Reality_CheckŠ
You really are dumber than a bucket of dirt, aren't you ?
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:12:11 -0700 (PDT), forevernitefan
> <fvr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>>>
>>>> I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>>>
>>> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
>>
>>
>> Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
>
> Bigoted, but not racist. I still fall under the white
> demographic.
Prove it.
Deadrat
news:6tmdna9ppdd4ei_V...@comcast.com:
Hey, rightard, if you don't like Obama's policies, then fine, but don't
pretend that he's the stupid one. Not when your boy W is in office.
Deadrat
@mid.individual.net:
Natural as in the opposite of naturalized.
> Or in-vitro ?
Only if the operating room surfaces were all made of glass.
Deadrat
@mid.individual.net:
I don't believe it for a minute. The assimilate part, I mean.
> BTW ... resistance is futile.
Which would make it different from everything else on misc.legal how,
exactly?
Deadrat
@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
Thanks for your opinion. Not that it is an unreasonable one; it's just not
dispositive. Anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen per the
Constituion, i.e., no one born here needs to be naturalized by act of
Congress. Anyone born of two American citizens outside the US is a citizen
by act of Congress, but any such person born in a foreign country is not
natural born.
The question is whether such a person is natural born if that person, like
John McCain, is born outside the Unites States but under the jurisdiction
of the United States. Only the Supreme Court can decide that question.
Robert D.
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote in message
news:6hgpisF...@mid.individual.net...
> So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
Dennis
"Deadrat" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
news:vSIsk.22723$N87....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
Highly likely SCOTUS would decline to hear arguments on any case thus
brought, rightfully reasoning it is frivolous, and merely the product of a
lib's febrile and enfeebled mind.
Gas-bag Joe says Br-a-a-a-a-a-ck, the Magic Mulatto is "articulate and
bright and clean." But we know
B,TMM just ain't a right fit to be President; the boy just ain't got the
fundamentals. At his core, he's just another grasping Chi-town pol. Just ask
Chicago slum lord felon Tony Rezko, and now Br-a-a-a-a-a-ck's Nairobi
shack-dweller brother, George.
Dionysus
>
>
lorad
> "Deadrat" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
>
> news:vSIsk.22723$N87....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
Neither McLame nor Obamba appear to have been properly matriculated..
Additionally, one was brainwashed in North Vietnam, while the other
was brainwashed in Indonesia.
300 million Americans.. and THIS is the best that we have to offer?
Dennis
"lorad" <lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:41ba8143-c35f-4a2c...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
************
I can't disagree with you...so which are you voting AGAINST (all caps just
for clarity) this time?
Reality_Check�
G aWol Bu$h was the best they could offer for the last 8 years ...
Dennis
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
President Bush is not on the ticket...get over his two terms as President,
if you can.
Harold Burton
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
> Inquiring minds...
...are pretty stupid.
Harold Burton
<d47700d7-fbe0-4ee6...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Benj <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 9:52 pm, "Reality_Check©" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
>
> > > And what of births occurring at U$ Embassies overseas, or on U$ ships
> > > (military or merchant)
> > > that are outside of U$ waters ? McMurdo Base in Antarctica ? On U$
> > > aircraft outside of U$ airspace?
>
> > > Inquiring minds want to know ...
>
> I have heard that while the media constantly drones that McCain was
> born in Panama, He was actually born on a ship outside of US waters at
> the time. If it's true, I'm sure it's REALLY covered up well!
And irrelevant, but irrelevancies are what leftwits are all about.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
<f4dd39fb-ff32-4663...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Dave <pat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't confuse leftwits with facts.
Harold Burton
Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> Dave <pat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:f4dd39fb-ff32-4663-943b-3f67c45cce72
> @n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>
> > , He was actually born on a ship outside of US waters at
> >> the time.
> >
> > Doesn't matter. He was born to two American citizens and is therefore
> > considered a natural born citizen, no matter where in the world the
> > birth took place.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. Not that it is an unreasonable one; it's just not
> dispositive.
cite?
Harold Burton
Harold Burton
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
Lame as he was he easily be the best the DemocRATs could offer in 2004,
by a greater margin of the popular vote than any DemocRAT could manage
in about four decades.
Snicker.
Deadrat
70DD37.213...@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
Hey, rightard. Do you understand yet why the above statement isn't a fact?
Deadrat
OK, rightard. I'll type slowly so you'll understand.
Natural born citizens have their citizenship guaranteed at birth, i.e.,
they do *not* have to be naturalized by an act of Congress to become
citizens. The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to anyone born in US
sovereign territory, e.g., states, DC, US embassies, US coastal waters,
etc.
People born to US parents abroad are not natural born since they're not
born in sovereign US territory. An act of Congress naturalizes them,
i.e., makes them citizens, but no act of Congress can make them natural
born, the definition of which is a Constitutional issue.
I'll wait while you catch up.
...
Ready? OK.
Was the Panama Canal Zone enough soveriegn US territory to trigger the
14th Amendment and make Zonians natural born? If we have the answer to
that, then we'll have the answer to whether John McCain is a natural born
citizen. But that's a Constitutional issue that the Supreme Court would
have to determine.
(Note that no one argues that he isn't a citizen. Congress took care to
grant citizenship to military families' children born abroad.)
Got it?
Deadrat
The dead of Iraq lie in the ground because W won his elections. Their
children and granchildren will be paying off the debt he ran up.
Snicker by yourself.
Reality_CheckŠ
It will be DECADES before the U$ can recover from the destruction and
damage done by the Criminal Bu$h Mob.
forevernitefan
>
> - Show quoted text -
******* BRAAAWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crappper!!
BWRAAAWWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crapper!!*********
---- Norwegian Blue Parrot.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
_ Prof. Jonez _
http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan
"Frankly I've had enough of both of them. I have better things to do
with my time than their crap over and over again."
-- Moe (forevernitefan), obsessive-compulsive psycho , 8-13-08
_ Prof. Jonez _
> Why are you so obsessed with her nether region?
"What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
-- Kent Wills
forevernitefan
>
> - Show quoted text -
WIth each post you make involving feces eating, crude vulgarity and
ad homiem attacks, you prove my point about you. And youa r etoo dumb
to realize it. Your moronic abuse reflects badly upon you, not upon
anyone else.
******* BRAAAWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crappper!!
BWRAAAWWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crapper!!*********
---- Norwegian Blue Parrot.
Moe
forevernitefan
> >> So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
> > Why are you so obsessed with her nether region?
>
> "What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
> to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
> -- Kent Wills
Eric Ross AKA reality-check and prof-jonez uses " cunt" as a word of
abuse. The fact that he also calls Kent, a male, a " cunt" or " kunt",
indicates his use of the word is for abuse value, not in terms of how
a straight male would like female genitalia. As a pointof fact there
are a number of normal, healthy straight males who gladly bring their
female partners to, ahem, delight, by orally stimilating the female
genitalia. But Jonesie seems incapable of comprehending many things.
In my case, as he knows I am female, he tries claiming I like eating
feces ( which is, BTW his obsession about fecal matter) and OC the "
lying cunt" nonsense. Its a reasonable presumption that Eric hasn't
had a normal relationship with an adult female for a long time,
including his mother.
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
forevernitefan
> forevernitefan wrote:
> > On Aug 25, 3:02 pm, "Reality_Check(c)" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
> >> forevernitefan wrote:
> >>> On Aug 23, 9:24 pm, "Reality_Check(c)" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
> >>>> Kent Wills wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:09:17 GMT, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>news:1l7f83ghvypu3.1hs9ax7mmkd9g$.d...@40tude.net:
>
> >>>>>>> IS OBAMA AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?
> >>>>>>> August 22, 2008 09:02 PM EDT
> >>>>>>> views: 959 | comments: 52
>
> >>>>>>> It seems there is some question as to whether or not Obama is an
> >>>>>>> American citizen. Yet we have heard nothing from the biased news
> >>>>>>> media about this. Where is the story New York Times?
>
> >>>>>> Because it's nonsense.
>
> >>>>>> Like a lot of the stuff you believe.
>
> >>>>> I'm certainly NOT an Obama supporter,
>
> >>>> He don't need convicted felons like you, you piece of shit racist.
>
> >>> Didn't you call Kent a Pollack? Wasn't THAT racist?
>
> >> Only to a lying moron like you who thinks "Pollack" is a race, you
> >> stammering cunt.
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan
>
> > " Pollack" is the word YOU used to mean someone of Polish descent.
>
You misspelled a bigoted word because you didn't know how bigots like
you spell it. You use that word on Kent Wills, who is of Polish
descent and since his family name is not Pollack and as he's a
vegetarian he doesn't eat the fish pollock, the only reason left why
you spew that word on Kent is because of his ancestry. IOW you are a
bigot.
And assuming you actually knew how to spell your beloved bigoted
word, you deliberately misspelled it in an attempt to PRETEND you
weren't using an ethnic slur. IOW your usual cowardice.
******* BRAAAWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crappper!!
BWRAAAWWWWKKK!! Jonesie wants a crapper!!*********
---- Norwegian Blue Parrot.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
?- Hide quoted text -
Harold Burton
Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> The dead of Iraq lie in the ground because W won his elections. Their
> children and granchildren will be paying off the debt he ran up.
Care for some cheese with that whine?
Kent Wills
Exactly. Heterosexual men like vaginas. As such, calling us one
isn't an insult.
Some day you may be able to understand this simple concept.
Jonezie:
>> Or you could discuss the holocaust of Native Americans by
>> the invading White Man ...
>
Deadrat:
> Sure. I for Indian or N for Native?
Jonezie:
S for Savage.
Prof. Jonez expressing his racial HATE for Native Americans.
Message-ID: <6b3i56F...@mid.individual.net>
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Aug 27, 12:06 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> Robert D. wrote:
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote in message
>>>> So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
>>> Why are you so obsessed with her nether region?
>>
>> "What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
>> to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
>> -- Kent Wills
>
> Eric Ross AKA reality-check and prof-jonez
Who's Eric Ross ?
>uses " cunt" as a word of abuse.
You're lying again, cunt.
Reality_CheckŠ
You're lying again, cunt.
Robert D.
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
> You're lying again, cunt.
Is this the way you treat all women you come across?
Reality_CheckŠ
Just the lying cunts...
Robert D.
"Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
Reality_CheckŠ
> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
> news:6hmsn6F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Robert D. wrote:
>>> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
>>> news:6hmrk5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> You're lying again, cunt.
>>>
>>> Is this the way you treat all women you come across?
>>
>> Just the lying cunts...
> Have you ever considered counseling for domestic violence?
You're projecting again, asswipe.
Reality_CheckŠ
Typical Repugnikkkan coward's refrain.
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:06:26 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>> Robert D. wrote:
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote in message
>>>> So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
>>> Why are you so obsessed with her nether region?
>>
>> "What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
>> to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
>> -- Kent Wills
>>
>
> Exactly. Heterosexual men like vaginas. As such, calling us one
> isn't an insult.
"You are in the Kill File. Have been for a while.
Note that I can only reply if I read someone else's
reply to you."
-- Kent B Wills vainly trying to curtail his OCD
Miguel A. González
<Rea...@Check.it> wrote:
>Deadrat wrote:
>> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in
>>> Deadrat wrote:
>>>> fargo116 <farg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> On Aug 24, 5:42 pm, Deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>> fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 10:41 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 12:27 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting though, just before a national election, BOTH
>>>>>>>>> candidates for Presidency are rejected because neither is a
>>>>>>>>> natural born citizen? What happens then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Change America!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the Tooth Fairy shows up and has a Cage Match with Santa!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's about as likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe. But plenty of people can still remember apartheid in the
>>>>>> US. That changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aparthied has nothing to do with it, Dead. They are both American
>>>>> citizens.
>>>>
>>>> I can't understand your statement. If I'm following the
>>>> attributions correctly, Don Gazpacho exclaimed "Change America!"
>>>> To which you replied that change is about as likely as the Tooth
>>>> Fairy sparring with Santa.
>>>>
>>>> That as may be. But in my lifetime I've seen US apartheid ('e'
>>>> before 'i' after 'h') dismantled. So change is possible.
>>>>
>>>> As to the original question, Obama is a citizen by the 14th
>>>> Amendment since he was born in a state, Hawaii. No one really
>>>> knows for sure what "natural born" means for Zonian-born citizens
>>>> like McCain, who were not born in a state. The Supreme Court would
>>>> have to say.
>>>
>>> Washington D.C. isn't a "state" ... doesn't even get voting
>>> representation in Congress,
>>> neither does Puerto Rico, Guam or any other U$ Colonialist Occupied
>>> Territories.
Puerto Rico is hardly "occupied". They have freely chosen their
present "Free Associated State" or "Commonwealth" arrangement with the
U.S. Every so often they'll have aplebiscite with the choices of
Statehood, Status Quo, or Independence. So far they've kept choosing
to keep the status quo.
>>>
>>> And what of births occurring at U$ Embassies overseas, or on U$ ships
>>> (military or merchant)
>>> that are outside of U$ waters ? McMurdo Base in Antarctica ? On U$
>>> aircraft outside of U$ airspace?
>>> On foreign aircraft inside U$ Airspace?
>>> What of pregnant women
>>> "specially rendered" from the U$ to overseas
>>> CIA torture chambers?
cite
>>>Or babies born to foreign women who got
>>> "special rendition" from overseas
>>> to U$ soil for indefinite imprisonment?
cite
> What of the "rape babies"
>>> born at overseas U$ military bases like Gitmo?
cite
Just another anti-U.S. rant form unReality Check
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_be_elected_president.html
A congressional act stated in 1790:
Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that
may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,
shall be considered as natural born citizens."
>>
>> All states and Washington, DC are sovereign territory of the US.
>>
>> The key question about other areas is whether the territory is
>> incorporated or not. All territory is also classified as organized or
>> not, i.e., whether it has a US sanctioned government or not.
>>
>> There are no incorporated organized territories. The last one was
>> Hawaii.
>>
>> There is one incorporated unorganized territory, a nature preserve
>> that used to be part of the Territory of Hawaii.
>>
>> US coastal waters, US embassies, and US flagships in international
>> waters (and presumably US aircaraft in international airspace), have
>> the status of incorporated unorganized territory.
>>
>> All of these count for purposes of natural born citizenship.
>>
>> There are four unincorporated organized territories (Northern
>> Marianas, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands). The Panama
>> Canal Zone used to be one of these.
>>
>> There are about a dozen unincorporated unorganized territories, mostly
>> small islands. Only one, American Samoa, is inhabited.
>>
>> Gitmo is a special case. It's leased, but in perpetuity, and from
>> recent Supreme Court decisions, the US is sovereign there, unlike
>> other military bases in foreign countries.
>>
>> No one really knows whether these count for purposes of NBC.
>
>Interesting.
>
>>
>>> Inquiring minds want to know ...
>>
>> You? Inquiring? Bwahahahahahaha!
>>
>> Good one.
>
>Occasionally there exists knowledge outside the realm of my
>vast consciousness, call it unincorporated organized information,
>which I seek to assimilate ...
>
>BTW ... resistance is futile.
>
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Aug 27, 12:03 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> forevernitefan wrote:
Deadrat
news:bnhcb4t0g5e2qd44l...@4ax.com:
<snip/>
> Just another anti-U.S. rant form unReality Check
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_be
> _elected_president.html
>
> A congressional act stated in 1790:
>
> Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that
> may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,
> shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Congress is not the competent authority for defining the term "natural
born." That would be up to the Supreme Court.
<snip/>
Reality_CheckŠ
LOL! ... is that how it works? Forcibly occupy a territory and subjugate
it's people
for 100 years or so ... then let them vote (locally, but NO representation
in D.C.)
and call it "free choice"
ROTFLMAO !!
Too bad that Congress can't define/redefine what the Constitutional
meaning of "natural born" is wrt the Office of President of the U$.
tjab
Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:06:26 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
><the...@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>>Robert D. wrote:
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote in message
>>>> So what race is "Pollack", eh you ignorant cunt?
>>> Why are you so obsessed with her nether region?
>>
>>"What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
>> to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
>> -- Kent Wills
>>
>
> Exactly. Heterosexual men like vaginas. As such, calling us one
>isn't an insult.
Walk into a straight bar some day, walk up to the first man you see, and
call him a "pussy." When you get home, post here and tell us all about
your new friend.
Kent Wills
I don't go into bars, however, if I should happen to find myself
in one, I'll present the scenario and see if any man finds vaginas so
distasteful that being called one would be seen as offensive.
Maybe I'll make a special visit to one tomorrow just to test it
out.
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