Kobe's Accuser Branded As Party Girl Who Loves Sex
s_knight8
The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says she was
attacked by the basketball star.
That revelation is just part of the defense strategy of Kobe's lawyers
formulated to cast dobut on the rape claim, The ENQUIRER has learned.
Kobe's legal team also investigated whether the 19 year old girl had sex
with another man AFTER she was with Kobe and BEFORE she went to police to
complain of rape!
The two young men Kobe's accuser was seeing at the time of her encounter
with Kobe are her ex boyfriend from her hometown of Eagle, CO, Matt, and a
new boyfriend she met at the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley, who
calls himself Jon Ray.
The girl is alleged to have gone with JonRay after he drove about thee hours
from Greely to Eagle on June 27. Then she slipped away from a party to make
out with Matt in his car in a park in Eagle on June 28, two days before she
was with Kobe.
"I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a new
girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
..A friend said "Police told her (Kate) not to shower before she went to the
hospital for a rape test.
She may have put on dirty panties because she was intending to take a shower
later."
...(Kobe's attorneys) sent private investigators to Canada to check out
reports of her (Kate's) wild behavior there..
..."The girl (Kate) was openly partying in a bar. As she watched video of
Kobe making his first court appearance in Eagle, the girl was flashing her
breasts to the bartender for free shots, making out with a guy at the bar
and bragging that, the night before, she had just had sex with a guy she
just met."
"Soon after she left Calgary, private investigators for Kobe's lawyers
arrived in town to take statements on the girl's behavior."
JOHN SOUTH
wd
I'm not so sure i trust the validity of reporting at the National
Enquirer.
tjab
>
>> From the National Enquirer:
>>
>> with another man AFTER she was with Kobe and BEFORE she went to police to
>> complain of rape!
Sounds like Bryant's defense team isn't as sure as some of the posters here.
wd
Nothing wrong in checking and following up on every lead
Bob
> From the National Enquirer:
>
> The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
> ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says she was
> attacked by the basketball star.
That sentence declares Kobe guilty. The NE seems to have judged the
case already.
Bob
Ted Kerin
"wd" <ro...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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>
> I'm not so sure i trust the validity of reporting at the National
> Enquirer.
>
Yeah, look how they invented that whole fake story about Rush Limbaugh being
a drug addict.
Ken Smith
As opposed to the sober reporting done by the New York Times....;)
Paul Robinson
> s_knight8 wrote:
> > From the National Enquirer:
> >
> > The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
> > ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says she was
> > attacked by the basketball star.
>
> That sentence declares Kobe guilty. The NE seems to have judged the
> case already.
No it does not. They are quoting the alleged victim. They are not saying he
attacked her, they are saying the victim claimed he attacked her. You should be
more careful in reading.
--
Paul Robinson "Above all else... We shall go on..."
"...And continue!"
"If the lessons of history teach us anything it is
that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us."
Larry Coon
> That sentence declares Kobe guilty. The NE seems to have judged the
> case already.
Umm, note the emphasis below. How do you figure?
> The college student who ACCUSED Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
> ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time SHE SAYS she
> was attacked by the basketball star.
What has the world come to when we're discussing semantics of the
National Enquirer?
Larry Coon
University of California
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Chas
> > The college student who ACCUSED Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing
her
> > ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time SHE SAYS she
> > was attacked by the basketball star.
> What has the world come to when we're discussing semantics of the
> National Enquirer?
and whether her fucking her kinda former boyfriend, and another guy from 3
hrs away at school constitutes a defense to rape.
That's called the 'nobody misses a slice from a cut cake' defense.
Chas
Michael Snyder
> s_knight8 wrote:
>
>> From the National Enquirer:
>>
>> The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly
>> seeing her
>> ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says
>> she was
>> attacked by the basketball star.
>
>
> That sentence declares Kobe guilty. The NE seems to have judged the
> case already.
Huh? It says "at the time SHE SAYS she was attacked..."
Michael Snyder
And the same could be said about the prosecution team and _their_ case.
Alex
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> From the National Enquirer:
>
> The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
> ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says she was
> attacked by the basketball star.
>
> That revelation is just part of the defense strategy of Kobe's lawyers
> formulated to cast dobut on the rape claim, The ENQUIRER has learned.
>
> Kobe's legal team also investigated whether the 19 year old girl had sex
> with another man AFTER she was with Kobe and BEFORE she went to police to
> complain of rape!
>
> The two young men Kobe's accuser was seeing at the time of her encounter
> with Kobe are her ex boyfriend from her hometown of Eagle, CO, Matt, and a
> new boyfriend she met at the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley, who
> calls himself Jon Ray.
>
> The girl is alleged to have gone with JonRay after he drove about thee hours
> from Greely to Eagle on June 27. Then she slipped away from a party to make
> out with Matt in his car in a park in Eagle on June 28, two days before she
> was with Kobe.
>
> "I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
>
> ...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a new
> girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
Now that's considerate. Deception anyone? And now she "wants justice".
So it's Matt, Jon Ray and Kobe. The love quadrangle continues,
and I guess it will be to the jury to make heads or tails of it.
As there is really no physical evidence to speak of,
the jury will have to ask itself - _why_ would Kobe do
such a thing, and what if he never did anything like this before?
And something more - if she was seeing 2 guys
regularly and Kobe as a one-night stand, then I'm sure
there there are other one-night stands out there from
about the 28th to the 1st.
Alex
wd
Tabloid Journalism is what it is.
Cate
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> > "I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
> >
> > ...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a
new
> > girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
>
> Now that's considerate.
She's 19. How considerate do you expect her to be? How considerate of others
were you when you were 19?
> So it's Matt, Jon Ray and Kobe.
She's not claiming Matt or Jon Ray raped her.
> And something more - if she was seeing 2 guys
> regularly and Kobe as a one-night stand, then I'm sure
> there there are other one-night stands out there from
> about the 28th to the 1st.
IF the subject of discussion were a 19 year-old man, would you be
characterizing him as a slut for dating two women at once?
Cate
Cate
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> >
> > > > "I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
> > > >
> > > > ...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has
a
> > new
> > > > girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
> > >
> > > Now that's considerate.
> >
> > She's 19. How considerate do you expect her to be? How considerate of
> others
> > were you when you were 19?
>
I wasn't asking about your sexual activity status. I was asking how
considerate you were at that age. 19 year-old college students aren't known
as paragons of consideration toward others.
> > > So it's Matt, Jon Ray and Kobe.
> >
> > She's not claiming Matt or Jon Ray raped her.
>
> They have no money and no fame.
I'm not saying they do. I'm saying it's not a 'love quadrangle.'
Besides, how does she get money by filing a criminal complaint? There's no
settlement offer on the table, and there won't be unless there's a civil
case or a threat of one. He can't offer her money to get out of a criminal
charge.
> > IF the subject of discussion were a 19 year-old man, would you be
> > characterizing him as a slut for dating two women at once?
> I would.
Fair enough. I doubt everyone refrains from this double standard as you do.
Cate
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Please.. Kate was fucking THREE men at once. Matt, John Ray and the Kobe she
"hoped would hit on her" (quote courtesy of Detective Winters)
tracker
Humped her from behind.... in a frenzy..... 5 minutes and she is
struggling????? I doubt it.... she's a whore
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>
> I loved the great greeting Kobe got last night in Anaheim and loved how
> Vanessa smiled big and then stuck out her tongue to the camera. I imagine
> she is sick of all of this. She looked like she was doing well.
>
>
Cate
> Please.. Kate was fucking THREE men at once. Matt, John Ray and the Kobe
she
> "hoped would hit on her" (quote courtesy of Detective Winters)
Who cares if she'd been fucking 40 men in the same week? If, as she claims,
she was raped, whether or not she was promiscuous doesn't negate the
possibility of rape.
Cate
JWC
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Larry Coon
> and whether her fucking her kinda former boyfriend, and another guy from 3
> hrs away at school constitutes a defense to rape.
And if anybody was saying it DOES constitute a defense to
rape, your oft-repeated strawman would be an oft-repeated
valid point. Then again, if my aunt had balls....
Aluckyguess
rape her, its not likely. Was Kobe way to big for her little pussy, yes. She
plays with guys with little peckers. I think her Daddy was a little upset
when Kobe came in and tore his little whore up. The thing is he didn't know
she was such a little whore. I think Tom Lycus has hit this one on the nose.
I hope Kobe sues her good after he wins. She will make quite a bit of money
of this lame brain story she old.
This is sad.
I hope the Lakers play better start of the season than they did last night.
Clippers look like they will make the Playoffs.
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> "tracker" <tra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Ok Just the Facts.... The rape lasted 5 Minutes.... Right!!!
> > Humped her from behind.... in a frenzy..... 5 minutes and she is
> > struggling????? I doubt it.... she's a whore
>
> There was no rape, so it lasted 0 seconds.
>
>
LadyLibra
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> From the National Enquirer:
The National Enquirer? You truly are part of the Retard Nation, hogsucker...
tracker
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> "tracker" <tra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Humped her from behind.... in a frenzy..... 5 minutes and she is
> > struggling????? I doubt it.... she's a whore
>
I saying there was no rape. She says he raped her for 5 minutes... I say
no they fucked for five minutes. Had he raped her he would not have lasted 5
minutes because of the struggle...
>
>
Bob
> Ok Just the Facts.... The rape lasted 5 Minutes.... Right!!!
> Humped her from behind.... in a frenzy..... 5 minutes and she is
> struggling????? I doubt it.... she's a whore
>
Bob still wants to see a picture or diagram of Kobe's 7 foot arm with
the 3 elbows that allow him to hold her neck and chin while raping her
from behind.
Bob has been in front/back situations before, and doesn't believe that
is possible for a normal shaped man.
The whore's story just doesn't fly.
Bob
Alex
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>
> > > "I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
> > >
> > > ...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a new
> > > girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
> >
> > Now that's considerate.
>
> She's 19. How considerate do you expect her to be? How considerate of others
> were you when you were 19?
>
> > So it's Matt, Jon Ray and Kobe.
>
> She's not claiming Matt or Jon Ray raped her.
No, she screws her ex-boyfriend behind the back
of her new boyfriend, and hopes that her ex-boyfriend's
new girlfriend Jamie won't find out, because that would
be "bad".
Now if that doesn't demonstrate a high capacity
for deception and self-justification (and perhaps
a preference for dangerous liaisons and drama),
I don't know what does.
Mackey: "So you were lying to your present boyfriend,
you were lying to your ex-boyfriend's girlfriend, but now
you expect this court to take you on your word?".
> > And something more - if she was seeing 2 guys
> > regularly and Kobe as a one-night stand, then I'm sure
> > there there are other one-night stands out there from
> > about the 28th to the 1st.
>
> IF the subject of discussion were a 19 year-old man, would you be
> characterizing him as a slut for dating two women at once?
A cad? A player? The problem is that it isn't Kobe
who is crying "rape".
And I didn't even call her a slut, because I really don't care
who she does or how complicated she makes her sexlife.
The issue is her credibility as a witness, and the possible
reasons why she would be lying. Apart from her crying
rape in the process of conducting what is her own business,
I have no problem whatsoever with her having sex with
as many people as possible, which to me is innocent enough.
Crying rape isn't innocent. Quite apart from the fact that
Kobe has never been charged with rape before, or that
no girls are crawling out of the woodwork to claim part
of what could almost become class action civil suit against
Kobe Inc.
She's the only one, and that in and of itself is suspicious.
Alex
Bob
Her well worn cunt doesn't prove rape either.
Bob
tracker
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> tracker wrote:
> > Ok Just the Facts.... The rape lasted 5 Minutes.... Right!!!
> > Humped her from behind.... in a frenzy..... 5 minutes and she is
> > struggling????? I doubt it.... she's a whore
> >
>
>
> Bob still wants to see a picture or diagram of Kobe's 7 foot arm with
> the 3 elbows that allow him to hold her neck and chin while raping her
> from behind.
>
> Bob has been in front/back situations before, and doesn't believe that
> is possible for a normal shaped man.
>
> The whore's story just doesn't fly.
She was flying if he humped her from behind.... her feet wouldn't have
touched the ground!!!!!! Kobe could have spun her like a propeller .....
YAHOOOO!!>
Robert Lee
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> I saying there was no rape. She says he raped her for 5 minutes... I
> say no they fucked for five minutes. Had he raped her he would not
> have lasted 5 minutes because of the struggle...
Yeah, but aren't you also claiming that he was potent monster of gargantuan
size who was just too much for her? Surely, he could hold a mere wisp of a
girl down with his penis alone, if he's the fertility totem you're
suggesting.
--
--Robert
now everybody, have you heard?
if you're in the game, "stroke's" the word
Michael Snyder
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>>"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
>>news:bnbf53$g...@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
>
>>>"I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
>>>
>>>...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a
>
> new
>
>>>girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
>>
>>Now that's considerate.
>
>
> She's 19. How considerate do you expect her to be? How considerate of others
> were you when you were 19?
Waaaaaaaaaay more than *that*...
Michael Snyder
No, but it combines with the fact that she went to his room expecting
him to hit on her, after having flirted with him and after having
deliberately arranged to be on duty when he arrived, and after having
arranged for him to be in an isolated room far from his bodyguards,
to suggest a STRONG possibility that she went there fully intending
to fuck him.
And no, even *that* does not mean that she couldn't *possibly*
have been raped -- but it means we need a hell of a lot more
than just her word about it.
Chas
> Please.. Kate was fucking THREE men at once. Matt, John Ray and the Kobe
she
> "hoped would hit on her" (quote courtesy of Detective Winters)
You're asserting they were all there at one time?!?
Oh my!
Hadn't heard that one.
On the other hand, she could well have fucked her old boyfriend- a history
of intimacy and affection. She could fuck her boyfriend off at college- Dog
Nose it's common enough.
Add in the rape, and she's pretty sexually active seeming.
D'ya think?
Chas
Chas
> ......Vanessa is so much
> prettier.
But how available during her post-partum? She looks like kind of a spoiled
snot, so she may have been cutting him off for a while.
Chas
Chas
> She's the only one, and that in and of itself is suspicious.
At $4M a pop and climbing, Kobe better *hope* she's the only one he even
committed adultery with, much less raped.
Chas
Chas
>.....Her biggest punishment is that she will always be
> branded the kook who falsely accused Kobe.
Even if he prevails at trial, he can still be hit with a civil suit for
damages- and the evidence and testimony in the criminal trial is available-
all that expert testimony for freebie.
If the preponderance of evidence is that he damaged her, he'll need a Nike
to get out from under the judgment.
Google keyword; OJ.
Chas
Chas
> Bob still wants to see a picture or diagram of Kobe's 7 foot arm with
> the 3 elbows that allow him to hold her neck and chin while raping her
> from behind.
I don't know how Kobe did it, but I can do it with two fingers; lock down
your voice, control your breath, and control you completely enough to brand
you if I cared to- maybe no bruises to speak of.
Hell, Boob; I can do it holding your nose.
> Bob has been in front/back situations before, and doesn't believe that
> is possible for a normal shaped man.
The boundless depths of the things you don't know must be very intimidating
to you.
Chas
Michael Snyder
> "KM" <kthy...@com.com> wrote
>
>>.....Her biggest punishment is that she will always be
>>branded the kook who falsely accused Kobe.
>
>
> Even if he prevails at trial, he can still be hit with a civil suit for
> damages- and the evidence and testimony in the criminal trial is available-
> all that expert testimony for freebie.
"all that" -- what is your definition of "all that"? So far,
the strongest expert testimony is that she didn't claim to have
said no, she did admit that he stopped when she indicated that
he should, and AFAIK they haven't even found his DNA on her.
> If the preponderance of evidence is that he damaged her, he'll need a Nike
> to get out from under the judgment.
> Google keyword; OJ.
No -- the preponderance of evidence will have to show that he
had sex with her *against her will* -- something that no evidence
so far has any chance of doing (even by the lower standards
of civil court).
Bob
You couldn't find your own ass to wipe you little lying pile of roach shit.
Bob
Huang Gang
planned the whole thing with SEX in mind.
Miguelito
Cate wrote:
> IF the subject of discussion were a 19 year-old man, would you be
> characterizing him as a slut for dating two women at once?
I would.
Miguelito
Cate wrote:
> Who cares if she'd been fucking 40 men in the same week? If, as she claims,
> she was raped, whether or not she was promiscuous doesn't negate the
> possibility of rape.
It negates her credibility, and it negates her ability to prove that ONE
specific man, as opposed to any of the THIRTY-NINE others, raped her.
I don't have to take her word for anything, and a good Jury won't.
Miguelito
Chas wrote:
What rape?
Miguelito
KM wrote:
> If she loses the criminal suit, she won't win a civil suit. This is not
> like with OJ.
Can the fact that she's a whore be used against her in a civil suit?
Chas
> What rape?
The one she identified out of the three possible candidate events that had
any comparison at all.
You remember it; it's the one that four separate vetting agencies allow to
go forward to trial whether you like it or not.
That one.
Chas
Chas
> > Even if he prevails at trial, he can still be hit with a civil suit for
> > damages- and the evidence and testimony in the criminal trial is
available-
> > all that expert testimony for freebie.
> "all that" -- what is your definition of "all that"?
Trial transcript, experts' reports, investigative material, the examination
by every criteria we all can bring to it- the 'history'.
> So far,
> the strongest expert testimony is that she didn't claim to have
> said no, she did admit that he stopped when she indicated that
> he should, and AFAIK they haven't even found his DNA on her.
It's proceeding to trial, and all that testimony/record.
Post-trial, win or lose, she has another chance to recover for her damages.
You'll remember OJ's trials, criminal and civil liability.
> > If the preponderance of evidence is that he damaged her, he'll need a
Nike
> > to get out from under the judgment.
> > Google keyword; OJ.
> No -- the preponderance of evidence will have to show that he
> had sex with her *against her will* -- something that no evidence
> so far has any chance of doing (even by the lower standards
> of civil court).
Yeah; that's why men race horses- to find out who's right.
Chas
Chas
> If she loses the criminal suit, she won't win a civil suit. This is not
> like with OJ.
Miz Cleo!
Be dat you?!?
'If de t-shirt don't fit, youse honkies mus' acquit.'??
Is the Psychic hotline going to reopen?
How're t'ings in Jamaica?
Is three questions still $1.50?
Chas
Wull
I am not that knowledgeable about the KB case
except for headlines.
Question?
Was the accuser white or black?
I think a lot might depend on her color, but
either way I think she is a litigious easy money
seeker. At least she may have been told it would
be easy. And the prosecution might be cutting
their nose off due to the bad publicity if it is a
resort mecca for the rich and powerful.
Wull
KM wrote:
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> "Miguelito" <Mick...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Hehe. I wish it could, but don't think it can. Kobe has nothing to gain by
> suing her. It would just be more money out of his pocket, to get what? She
> has no money. When they declare his innocence, that will be his
> vindication. It is best to move on with his life after this is done. The
> only reason for him to sue her would be if she had a big moneyed somebody
> included in the suit. She has no money, so why spend more of his money
> suing someone we all already know is a kook and a whore. And to get money
> out of someone with money, you need enough money in your own pocket. I
> don't think anyone would take her suit if she decided to sue him when she
> loses the criminal suit. The only thing that would benefit a lawyer by
> doing this (taking her civil suit), is if he wants publicity himself, but he
> may not want the kind of publicity if it is going to show him a loser.
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Chas
> > If she loses the criminal suit, she won't win a civil suit. This is not
> > like with OJ.
> Can the fact that she's a whore be used against her in a civil suit?
You know, buddy; an unkind man might suggest you ask ol' mater- but there's
a civil tone that some people maintain in public discourse about
controversial subjects.
You don't like Kobe being referred to as 'Kobe the Rapist' every time you
see his name- it's uncivil, however probable. There are pejoratives that one
simply doesn't need to invoke to have one's point understood.
Imagine your own finial insult and insert here- no need to call you any
names or anything.
Chas
Chas
> Was the accuser white or black?
She is a while lady, jewish by heritage I believe.
I believe I saw somewhere that there is a lower percentage of jewish
population in Eagle Colorado than of black people, so it's still a minority
thing, if that's your point.
Good thing it wasn't one of the hispanic immigrant ladies- their brothers
would have just killed him. They've found a dozen or so around here, maybe
fourteen- they just stab them dead and leave them in the alley.
Does wonders for the neighborhood however much I personally deplore ad hoc
justice.
Chas
Chas
> You're forgetting one thing, Chas. It has been established that she is a
> whore, but the jury has not decided about whether Kobe is a rapist or not.
We know he lies about sex and cheating in defiance of everything he said
he's about his character for a few years- who know what else he'd fib about?
Some of my closest and dearest friends are jewish chicks that like sex- many
of them quite honorable in spite of being shameless trollops in private,
bless them for the sunshine they bring <g>
Chas
Chas
> We're in the US, at least this case is even if you are not.
Actually, I'm only a little way from where it happened- it's local news for
me.
> Innocent until
> proven guilty.
I wish you people would actually go find out what that means in a legal
context- geez.
There are court systems wherein guilt is presumed, and the defendant has the
burden of proof to achieve acquittal. We do it the other way round.
It doesn't mean that we assume that the complainant is a felon in the midst
of a fraudulent misrepresentation to abuse the system in furtherance of a
conspiracy.
> If you don't use the word *alleged* before saying rape when
> it has not been proven, someone can sue your ass. Note the use of the
word
> "alleged" by journalists when discussing this case.
Gee; you know as much about defamation law as you do about everything
elsenot.
Thanks for the tip.
Chas
Chas
> Hmmm, Jewish chicks. You sound a bit racist to me.
Dating jewish chicks is racist?
I can't help it; it's kinda like BASE jumping.
> I suppose you think all
> big black guys are rapists too.
Oh no; I've known a number of big black guys that aren't rapists.
You're weird.
Chas
Chas
> (Geez, how do you know we aren't lawyers.
I usually try to think the best of people- altruistic, I know; but there you
are.
> What's your profession?)
I'm a martial arts guy and some sorta fine art things- it's in my sig.
--
Chas
'It's Fighting, not Folkdancing!'
http://65.109.93.36/index.htm
http://www.kuntaosilat.net
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/silatknifefighting.htm
Bob
>
>
> Cate wrote:
>
>> Who cares if she'd been fucking 40 men in the same week? If, as she
>> claims,
>> she was raped, whether or not she was promiscuous doesn't negate the
>> possibility of rape.
>
>
> It negates her credibility,
Kate Faber had credibility?
Since when do lying snags come with that?
Bob
tjab
KM <kthy...@com.com> wrote:
>
>You're forgetting one thing, Chas. It has been established that she is a
>whore
Really? Elaborate, please. But be careful; if she's as litigious as you
seem to think, you could be opening yourself up to a civil action.
Miguelito
Chas wrote:
Some of this country's greatest men have cheated on their wives and lied
about it, and many of them were quite honorable in spite of the
weakness of their flesh.
Miguelito
Permit me to rephrase the question:
Does Rape Shield apply also to civil lawsuits, or could her prolific
sexual history and her mental instability be brought up in such a trial?
Miguelito
KM wrote:
> Hmmm, Jewish chicks. You sound a bit racist to me. I suppose you think all
> big black guys are rapists too.
If you've been reading Chas for a while, this is one of the reason's
that we should find Miss Fubar more believable than Mr. Bryant -
something to the effect of Bryant being just another big black jock.
Maxie P. Diddly
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> Some of my closest and dearest friends are jewish chicks that like
sex
What does being Jewish have to do with enjoying sex? If you want to
really be accurate, study sexual deviance both in public and private.
You'll find that women who were raised Catholic are the biggest whores
and sluts.
ptsc
>"Chas" <ch...@chasclements.com> wrote in message
>news:_fudneytxYW...@comcast.com...
>We're in the US, at least this case is even if you are not. Innocent until
>proven guilty. If you don't use the word *alleged* before saying rape when
>it has not been proven, someone can sue your ass. Note the use of the word
>"alleged" by journalists when discussing this case.
Someone can sue and someone can lose. It is perfectly reasonable given
the existence of a trial to state the opinion that you believe the defendant is
guilty of rape, murder, or any other criminal offense. Someone filing suit
based on that alone would have a hard row to hoe in proving defamation.
Even when there is an actual acquittal, such as in the O. J. Simpson case, it is
within protected speech to say that the trial was a farce and O. J. Simpson is a
murderer, even if there had not been a civil case which Simpson lost.
Similarly, someone including "alleged" before an actual libel would not
eliminate it if they were sued. It is not some kind of magic word that renders
the speaker able to append any libelous nonsense in the world after it.
"Innocent until proven guilty" refers to a legal fiction. It does not mean the
entire world is enjoined from expressing an opinion as to guilt.
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Huang Gang
> "KM" <kthy...@com.com> wrote
> > You're forgetting one thing, Chas. It has been established that she is
a
> > whore, but the jury has not decided about whether Kobe is a rapist or
not.
>
> We know he lies about sex and cheating in defiance of everything he said
> he's about his character for a few years- who know what else he'd fib
about?
When did he lie about sex? Please provide reference when you make a claim
about that.
Huang Gang
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote
> > > Even if he prevails at trial, he can still be hit with a civil suit
for
> > > damages- and the evidence and testimony in the criminal trial is
> available-
> > > all that expert testimony for freebie.
> > "all that" -- what is your definition of "all that"?
>
> Trial transcript, experts' reports, investigative material, the
examination
> by every criteria we all can bring to it- the 'history'.
>
So far, we have seen evidence that indicates consensual sex, not rape.
We have an allege victim who planned the whole thing and didn't say no.
We have so called injury that are only 33%chance been done by Kobe.
We have an allege attacker who didn't leave a single mark on a strangulation
hold.
We have an allege attacker who stop and pull away the moment he got the
message.
We have an allege victim who didn't look at all disshelved by an independent
third party.
And all that are the evidence from the prosecution.
That wouldn't fly even in a civil court where you have to be at least 50%+
certain that something had happened.
> > So far,
> > the strongest expert testimony is that she didn't claim to have
> > said no, she did admit that he stopped when she indicated that
> > he should, and AFAIK they haven't even found his DNA on her.
>
> It's proceeding to trial, and all that testimony/record.
> Post-trial, win or lose, she has another chance to recover for her
damages.
> You'll remember OJ's trials, criminal and civil liability.
>
OJ got off because the jury didn't know that DNA is the equilivant of finger
print and the LAPD got the rap of racists. Try it to an informed jury, OJ
should have been found guilty, the evidence in that case was as overwhelming
as the evidence was underwhelming in this one.
tjab
Miguelito <Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>Does Rape Shield apply also to civil lawsuits, or could her prolific
>sexual history and her mental instability be brought up in such a trial?
I'd be interested to hear your guess as to the average number of sexual
partners a person has had at her age.
tjab
KM <kthy...@com.com> wrote:
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>
>"tjab" <tj...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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That's more your speed.
Bob
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>
> "Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
> news:3F9AE283...@datarecall.net...
>
>>I definitely agree with what you say here.
>>
>>I am not that knowledgeable about the KB case
>>except for headlines.
>>
>>Question?
>>
>>Was the accuser white or black?
>>
>>I think a lot might depend on her color, but
>>either way I think she is a litigious easy money
>>seeker. At least she may have been told it would
>>be easy. And the prosecution might be cutting
>>their nose off due to the bad publicity if it is a
>>resort mecca for the rich and powerful.
>
>
> teens, a suicide attempt is well-known to be a cry for attention. I think
> her accusing Kobe is another one of these cries for attention.
>
>
The topic of this thread is wrong. Katelyn (the Victim!) Faber has
tattoos, and maybe a piercing, but nobody has said that she has gotten
any brands. At least she didn't mention showing any brands off to
Kobe. No, it doesn't look like she's branded, not even for goth parties.
Bob
Bob
Orthodox Jews are supposed to do sex only through a sheet with a small
hole, and then not enjoy it.
Bob
Chas
> If you've been reading Chas for a while, this is one of the reason's
> that we should find Miss Fubar more believable than Mr. Bryant -
> something to the effect of Bryant being just another big black jock.
Nothing to do with being black- more to do with the extreme egoism of a lot
of jocks.
Hell; being black is a positive in Kobe's situation. Accusing a black man of
rape has a lot of history and emotion tied to it. Nobody wants to look like
they're either attacking him just because he's black, or protecting her just
because she's jewish.
Justice may very well suffer because of Political Correctness
considerations.
Chas
Chas
> Does Rape Shield apply also to civil lawsuits, or could her prolific
> sexual history and her mental instability be brought up in such a trial?
Neither sexual profligacy nor mental instability on the part of the victim
is a defense to rape, but I don't think the Rape Shield would still apply.
But I'm not a lawyer, so don't be going and raping a bunch of half-wit
tramps on my say-so, buddy <g>
Chas
Chas
> > Some of my closest and dearest friends are jewish chicks that like
> sex
> What does being Jewish have to do with enjoying sex?
You don't know much about the religion, do you?
> If you want to
> really be accurate, study sexual deviance both in public and private.
> You'll find that women who were raised Catholic are the biggest whores
> and sluts.
Really?
So Kobe might not have had to rape a Catholic?
What is it you're saying?
Chas
Chas
> Orthodox Jews are supposed to do sex only through a sheet with a small
> hole, and then not enjoy it.
As opposed to your mom and dad who did it anonymously in the stall of a
public restroom and just loved it?
See; the First Amendment protects us all- from their freedom to practice
their religion to your folks' public assembly.
It this a great country, or what?
Chas
Chas
> > I'd be interested to hear your guess as to the average number of sexual
> > partners a person has had at her age.
Awww; that's cute.
Simpleminded Idealism is such a fleeting quality- it's like seeing a bat at
noon; uncommon, but not unknown.
kids on computers; aren't they great?
Chas
Chas
> You obviously run in different circles than I do.
Actually, madam; running in circles may well be your problem.
Chas
mslinda
>
>
Avoiding threads about Kobe or politics. ;-)
Linda C.
tjab
I'm not asking this to be insulting, but is that how many you had had?
no
"Chas" <ch...@chasclements.com> wrote:
Damn you are a fucking asshole.
no
"Chas" <ch...@chasclements.com> wrote:
Damn you are a asshole.
tinydancer
And I'd be interested in hearing whether the number of sexual partners
Bryant has had is of any interest?
Al Lewis
>"KM" <kthy...@com.com> wrote
>> If she loses the criminal suit, she won't win a civil suit. This is not
>> like with OJ.
>
>Miz Cleo!
>Be dat you?!?
>'If de t-shirt don't fit, youse honkies mus' acquit.'??
>Is the Psychic hotline going to reopen?
>How're t'ings in Jamaica?
>Is three questions still $1.50?
>
What KM stated is pretty obvious to anyone with any sense.
With OJ, there were victims - OJ said he didn't do it.. This whole case
is whether there is a victim or not. Kobe readily admits that he did it
- the question is whether or not it was consensual.
If there's no "victim", there's no civil case.
>Chas
>
Al Lewis
>I definitely agree with what you say here.
>
>I am not that knowledgeable about the KB case
>except for headlines.
>
>Question?
>
>Was the accuser white or black?
>
>I think a lot might depend on her color,
What the fuck?
Her credibility? Her suffering?
FFS, what does her color have to do with this?
> but
>either way I think she is a litigious easy money
>seeker. At least she may have been told it would
>be easy. And the prosecution might be cutting
>their nose off due to the bad publicity if it is a
>resort mecca for the rich and powerful.
>
>Wull
>
>
>KM wrote:
>>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> "Miguelito" <Mick...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:vpln4h8...@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > KM wrote:
>> >
>> > > If she loses the criminal suit, she won't win a civil suit. This is not
>> > > like with OJ.
>> >
>> > Can the fact that she's a whore be used against her in a civil suit?
>> >
>>
>> Hehe. I wish it could, but don't think it can. Kobe has nothing to gain by
>> suing her. It would just be more money out of his pocket, to get what? She
>> has no money. When they declare his innocence, that will be his
>> vindication. It is best to move on with his life after this is done. The
>> only reason for him to sue her would be if she had a big moneyed somebody
>> included in the suit. She has no money, so why spend more of his money
>> suing someone we all already know is a kook and a whore. And to get money
>> out of someone with money, you need enough money in your own pocket. I
>> don't think anyone would take her suit if she decided to sue him when she
>> loses the criminal suit. The only thing that would benefit a lawyer by
>> doing this (taking her civil suit), is if he wants publicity himself, but he
>> may not want the kind of publicity if it is going to show him a loser.
>
>
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>
>"Chas" <ch...@chasclements.com> wrote in message
>news:s4OdncOZGb4...@comcast.com...
>> "KM" <kthy...@com.com> wrote
>> > Hmmm, Jewish chicks. You sound a bit racist to me.
>>
>> Dating jewish chicks is racist?
>> I can't help it; it's kinda like BASE jumping.
>>
>> > I suppose you think all
>> > big black guys are rapists too.
>>
>> Oh no; I've known a number of big black guys that aren't rapists.
>> You're weird.
>
>Chas, stating "Jewish chicks" and that they all like lots of sex, makes you
>sound racist. If you think I am weird because I don't say "all Jewish
>chicks are horny," then so be it.
>Kobe is my neighbor, so we'll see whose neighbor comes out standing. My
>vote is with my neighbor.
>
I just have to interject with this wisdom from the late FZ:
I want a nasty little Jewish Princess
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little Jewish Princess
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride
I want a hairy little Jewish Princess
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little Jewish Princess
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole
I want a darling little Jewish Princess
Who don't know shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little Jewish Princess
To specifically happen with a pee-pee that's snappin'
All up inside
I just want a Princess to ride
*Awright, back to the top...everybody twist*
I want a funky little Jewish Princess
A brazen little Jewish Princess
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(Vapor-lock)
I want a dainty little Jewish Princess
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little Jewish Princess
With Roumanian thighs, who weasels 'n' lies
For two or three nights
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites
Al Lewis
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>
>"Chas" <ch...@chasclements.com> wrote in message
>news:O5mdncOEgdv...@comcast.com...
>You obviously run in different circles than I do. I see where you are
>coming from in that you deem morals as being simpleminded.
>Children on computers? Uh yes, my three each have their own.
>
What are the chances that all three will still be virgins at Kobe's
accusers age?
Huronia
"KM" <kthy...@com.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Al Lewis" <b...@boss.man> wrote in message
> news:up5ppvss6uk38epl4...@4ax.com...
your
> business, asshole.
>
You really shouldn't be discussing your children on Usenet, Kathy. For
their sakes, hold your tongue (fingers).
From one mother to another.
Huronia
Al Lewis
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>"Al Lewis" <b...@boss.man> wrote in message
>news:up5ppvss6uk38epl4...@4ax.com...
>They are all virgins and they are 20, 17 and 15, not that it is any of your
>business, asshole.
You brought it up on usenet, so it's as much my business as anyone elses
here.
And how do you know they're all still virgins?
Magic Nose Goblin
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:06:11 +0000, s_knight8 wrote:
>
> > From the National Enquirer:
> >
> > The college student who accused Kobe Bryant of rape was secretly seeing her
> > ex boyfriend and also dating a boy from school at the time she says she was
> > attacked by the basketball star.
> >
> > That revelation is just part of the defense strategy of Kobe's lawyers
> > formulated to cast dobut on the rape claim, The ENQUIRER has learned.
> >
> > Kobe's legal team also investigated whether the 19 year old girl had sex
> > with another man AFTER she was with Kobe and BEFORE she went to police to
> > complain of rape!
> >
> > The two young men Kobe's accuser was seeing at the time of her encounter
> > with Kobe are her ex boyfriend from her hometown of Eagle, CO, Matt, and a
> > new boyfriend she met at the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley, who
> > calls himself Jon Ray.
> >
> > The girl is alleged to have gone with JonRay after he drove about thee hours
> > from Greely to Eagle on June 27. Then she slipped away from a party to make
> > out with Matt in his car in a park in Eagle on June 28, two days before she
> > was with Kobe.
> >
> > "I know she was seeing two guys at once," said a friend of the coed.
> >
> > ...She didn't want anyone to know she was seeing Matt because he has a new
> > girlfriend, Jamie, and she knew Jamie would be mad.
> >
> > ..A friend said "Police told her (Kate) not to shower before she went to the
> > hospital for a rape test.
> >
> > She may have put on dirty panties because she was intending to take a shower
> > later."
> >
> > ...(Kobe's attorneys) sent private investigators to Canada to check out
> > reports of her (Kate's) wild behavior there..
> >
> > ..."The girl (Kate) was openly partying in a bar. As she watched video of
> > Kobe making his first court appearance in Eagle, the girl was flashing her
> > breasts to the bartender for free shots, making out with a guy at the bar
> > and bragging that, the night before, she had just had sex with a guy she
> > just met."
> >
> > "Soon after she left Calgary, private investigators for Kobe's lawyers
> > arrived in town to take statements on the girl's behavior."
> >
> > JOHN SOUTH
>
> I'm not so sure i trust the validity of reporting at the National
> Enquirer.
For the last 10 years, their record has been quite good. They've
definitely improved their standards of reporting from their early days.
Probably due to turnover in reporters, and more importantly, editors.
It's been almost 20 years since anyone has sued them for libel...and
considering the number of expose's they've done, which the mainstream press
won't touch, that says something
Magic Nose Goblin
> "1" <1...@1.com> wrote in message news:bXemb.561$tj2....@news.uswest.net...
>
> > Please.. Kate was fucking THREE men at once. Matt, John Ray and the Kobe
> she
> > "hoped would hit on her" (quote courtesy of Detective Winters)
>
> Who cares if she'd been fucking 40 men in the same week? If, as she claims,
> she was raped,
...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
why should ANYONE believe her???
(especially since EVIDENCE *AND* TESTIMONY belie her claims)
> whether or not she was promiscuous doesn't negate the
> possibility of rape.
>
> Cate
Magic Nose Goblin
> "s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bnbf53$g...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > From the National Enquirer:
>
> The National Enquirer? You truly are part of the Retard Nation, hogsucker...
When was the last time the National Enquirer broke a story which later
turned up to be false?
Seems to me it's been almost a generation. As in...several editors ago.
wd
Actually you are right. I stand corrected. The Enquirer does run and have
many good accurate articles. Even though they are presented in a cheesy
tabloid style.
>
> It's been almost 20 years since anyone has sued them for libel...and
> considering the number of expose's they've done, which the mainstream press
> won't touch, that says something
I agree.
~wd
Chas
> ...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
> why should ANYONE believe her???
She's not committing adultery-
unlike somebody we know.
> (especially since EVIDENCE *AND* TESTIMONY belie her claims)
testimony about Kobe raping her?
Other than Kobe the Adulterer's self-serving denial and attendant bri.....
gift?
Chas
Michael Snyder
> "Magic Nose Goblin" <magicn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
>>why should ANYONE believe her???
>
> She's not committing adultery-unlike somebody we know.
Oh yes she is -- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery
An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a married
or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress.
tjab
You stopped reading too soon:
"An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a
married or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress.
Intercourse between a married man and an unmarried woman was
fornication."
Something else you missed:
"Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary"
Not to mention that you had to skip over this to get to
the definition you quoted:
"adultery
\A*dul"ter*y\, n.; pl. Adulteries. [L. adulterium. See Advoutry.] 1. The
unfaithfulness of a married person to the marriage bed; sexual intercourse by a
married man with another than his wife, or voluntary sexual intercourse by a
married woman with another than her husband.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc."
But why look in Webster's when you've got Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
at hand, eh Michael?
Michael Snyder
> In article <bnkde0$60m$1...@stan.redhat.com>,
> Michael Snyder <msn...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>Chas wrote:
>>
>>>"Magic Nose Goblin" <magicn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
>>>>why should ANYONE believe her???
>>>
>>>She's not committing adultery-unlike somebody we know.
>>
>>Oh yes she is -- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery
>> An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a married
>> or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress.
>
>
> You stopped reading too soon:
>
> "An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a
> married or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress.
> Intercourse between a married man and an unmarried woman was
> fornication."
No, you did. See:
a搞ul暗er暄 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dlt-r, -tr)
n. pl. a搞ul暗er搏es
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner
other than the lawful spouse.
Also see:
adultery
n : extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with
marriage relations; "adultery is often cited as grounds for divorce"
[syn: criminal conversation, fornication]
What Kobe and Faber did was adultery. The TWO people who did the
deed are adulterers. Unmarried people commit adultery when they
willfully have sex with married people.
Chas
> >>...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
> >>why should ANYONE believe her???
> > She's not committing adultery-unlike somebody we know.
> Oh yes she is -- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery
> An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a married
> or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress.
Then you'd have no reserves about Kobe being charged under the Colorado
Statute that criminalizes adultery?
And she's neither married nor betrothed- so he's on his own.
Chas
Chas
> What Kobe and Faber did was adultery.
No; what Kobe did was adultery
> The TWO people who did the
> deed are adulterers. Unmarried people commit adultery when they
> willfully have sex with married people.
Not by any definition so far, Mike-
Chas
tjab
Cite your sources.
>
>What Kobe and Faber did was adultery. The TWO people who did the
>deed are adulterers. Unmarried people commit adultery when they
>willfully have sex with married people.
I suggest you try a modern dictionary. It only shows your desperation
when you have to go to a nineteenth century religious dictionary (a fact
you conveniently didn't mention in your own post and snipped from mine).
Incidentally, if it was rape your argument falls apart. If she didn't
know he was married, your argument likewise falls apart.
BTW:
18-6-501. Adultery.
Any sexual intercourse by a married person other than with that person's spouse
is adultery, which is prohibited.
Colorado Criminal Code
tinydancer
I wonder if Colorado also has a sodomy law? ;)
td
>
Chas
> I wonder if Colorado also has a sodomy law? ;)
Compelling, or restricting?
c.
tinydancer
;-) I was referring to the allegation that Bryant forced her to kiss his
penis. Thought it tied in with the adultery argument.
td
>
>
Chas
> ;-) I was referring to the allegation that Bryant forced her to kiss his
> penis. Thought it tied in with the adultery argument.
That was probably 'forcible sodomy', a part of the 'sexual assault'
scenario. It sorta removes the quibble words about what degenerate
perversions were involved and just refines the question.
Chas
tinydancer
Where we live, in the south, sodomy is a crime all by itself. Doesn't have
to be forcible. I was wondering if it was in Colorado. Here it's a crime
even between a married couple.
>
>
Cate
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> > > Please.. Kate was fucking THREE men at once. Matt, John Ray and the
Kobe
> > she
> > > "hoped would hit on her" (quote courtesy of Detective Winters)
> >
> > Who cares if she'd been fucking 40 men in the same week? If, as she
claims,
> > she was raped,
>
> ...and is a KNOWN LIAR AND DECIEVER ABOUT HER SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, then,
> why should ANYONE believe her???
First, please stop screaming.
Second, let's take a look at what you said. You say no one should believe
her because she's a 'known liar and deceiver about her sexual activities.'
Hm. Who else lies and deceives about sex but wants everyone to believe him?
Who could it be? I know it'll come to me. Uhmmmm, crap. I lost it.
Oh--I know: Kobe Bryant.
Cate