I refuse to do the US Census
anon...@noneofyourbusiness.com
secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
period. Leave me the fuck alone.
Well, I came home the other day and found a note on my door saying
that I must call someone about the census. Excuse me, they apparently
crawled over my locked gate, or under my electrified barbed wire
fence. That's trespassing. I called the police and reported this.
The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
the census forms. I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
said he was not sure. That just proves how few rights we have in this
fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
fucking lie.
What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
identity. Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up. This is (supposed to be) a
free country. That means its my right to refuse to give out personal
information to anyone, and I will continue to refuse no matter what
they do.
To add insult to injury, I got a call this evening from this same
person from the census. I DO NOT ever answer the phone. I have an
answering machine. They left a message telling me I MUST contact
them, and MUST do so in the next week. EXCUSE ME, I have an UNLISTED
phone number. That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number. I'm also on
the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
What gives this moron the right to both trespass and violate my phone
number? And for that matter, if they were able to obtain all that
info about me, then they obviously already know my name, address, and
phone number, and can write it on their fucking census forms and leave
me the fuck alone.
This has me furious, and I'm ready to hire an attorney, no matter how
much it costs me.
What are my legal rights regarding this violation of my property ("No
Tresspassing" signs), and violating my telephone?
What CAN they do when I refuse to fill out their goddamn census forms?
Particularly after this harassment, It'll be a cold day in hell before
I cooperate with them in any capacity.
deadrat
> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
Hmmm. Not so secluded that you can't send troll posts, though.
> Well, I came home the other day and found a note on my door saying
> that I must call someone about the census. Excuse me, they apparently
> crawled over my locked gate, or under my electrified barbed wire
> fence. That's trespassing. I called the police and reported this.
> The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
> the census forms. I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
> said he was not sure. That just proves how few rights we have in this
> fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
> fucking lie.
Perhaps you'd like it better somewhere else. Why not leave? It would
solve your census problem.
> What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
> identity.
Nope.
> Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up. This is (supposed to be) a
> free country. That means its my right to refuse to give out personal
> information to anyone, and I will continue to refuse no matter what
> they do.
>
> To add insult to injury, I got a call this evening from this same
> person from the census. I DO NOT ever answer the phone. I have an
> answering machine. They left a message telling me I MUST contact
> them, and MUST do so in the next week. EXCUSE ME, I have an UNLISTED
> phone number. That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
> nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
> DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number. I'm also on
> the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
That only covers cold calls. Somehow you got yourself on the troll list.
> What gives this moron the right to both trespass and violate my phone
> number? And for that matter, if they were able to obtain all that
> info about me, then they obviously already know my name, address, and
> phone number, and can write it on their fucking census forms and leave
> me the fuck alone.
>
> This has me furious, and I'm ready to hire an attorney, no matter how
> much it costs me.
Go for it! Let us know how that works out.
>
> What are my legal rights regarding this violation of my property ("No
> Tresspassing" signs), and violating my telephone?
Someone violated your telephone? Is that even possible?
> What CAN they do when I refuse to fill out their goddamn census forms?
> Particularly after this harassment,
They can fine you.
> It'll be a cold day in hell before
> I cooperate with them in any capacity.
Do trolls even like the cold?
richard
> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>
Best pure damn bullshit I've read in a long time.
First of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
refusing to fill out the form. In most cases, the census taking people
don't give a shit. If you're not home, they mark their little tally sheet
accordingly and move on to the next one.
Did you see your name on that oiginal mail? Most likely not. It's bulk mail
stuff and was probably addressed to "occupant".
When they did the census in 2000, I was a truck driver on the road. Saw the
form, but never filled it out. Never went to jail either. Not even a phone
call.
richard
pure damn bullshit?
richard
cooperate or give proper information as requested.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html
You get fined $100, or $500. There is no jail time.
So you get fined. Plead not guilty. It's going to cost them a hell of a lot
more than that to go ahead with a trial.
--
I learned my lesson well. You can't please everyone, so you got to please
yourself.
- Ricky Nelson from "Garden Party"
Kent Wills
>Are you being nice to the guy here or what? Don't you realize his story is
>pure damn bullshit?
Did you note where Deadrat pointed out it's a troll post?
I can't know DR's motivation, but some of us like to play with
trolls. "Troll busting," as I call it, can be fun.
--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
Kent Wills
I suspect I'm replying to a troll, but I have some free time, so
here goes...
>I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
>secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
>number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
>tossed it in the fireplace.
A dumb move on your part.
>I moved here to be left ALONE, and
>particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
>personal information to ANYONE.
That you are one person, living alone, isn't really personal
information.
If you have anyone living with you, this is also not personal
information.
>That includes the census bureau and
>everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
>period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>
Maybe you should live off the grid entirely.
Move to a location with NO mail delivery. No phone connections.
Nothing to connect you to the outside world.
I understand this is the nice time of year in Siberia.
>Well, I came home the other day and found a note on my door saying
>that I must call someone about the census. Excuse me, they apparently
>crawled over my locked gate, or under my electrified barbed wire
>fence. That's trespassing.
Actually, it's not in this case. The person had a legal reason
to be on your property.
>I called the police and reported this.
>The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
>the census forms.
The Constitution requires a head count. Other aspects are under
federal law and can be changed with ease, if needed/wanted.
>I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
>said he was not sure.
You get a fine. It's $100.00 to start, then ups to $500.
Refuse to pay it, and it's possible you'll get incarcerated.
>That just proves how few rights we have in this
>fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
>fucking lie.
>
The Constitution REQUIRES a count be done.
If you don't like it, lobby for a Constitution Congress to be
enacted and an amendment made.
>What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
>identity. Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up.
The federal government already has your identity.
>This is (supposed to be) a
>free country. That means its my right to refuse to give out personal
>information to anyone, and I will continue to refuse no matter what
>they do.
So pay the fine. Keep paying it, secure in the knowledge that
each time you send off $100.00 then the $500.00 that they still don't
know exactly how many people live at your house.
If you do get prison time, it is possible, though I'm not aware
of it ever happening, they'll have less trouble counting you. Of
course, you'll probably learn what a lack of freedom truly is.
>
>To add insult to injury, I got a call this evening from this same
>person from the census. I DO NOT ever answer the phone. I have an
>answering machine. They left a message telling me I MUST contact
>them, and MUST do so in the next week. EXCUSE ME, I have an UNLISTED
>phone number.
So?
>That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
>nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
>DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number.
A call to 411 and anyone who knows your name (as a census worker
will) and address (also known to the census worker) can get your
number.
You should have opted for unpublished as well as unlisted.
>I'm also on
>the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
Which do not apply in this matter.
>What gives this moron the right to both trespass
Trespass did not occur in the situation you describe.
>and violate my phone
>number?
Did this person somehow coerce your phone number into having sex?
Do explain.
>And for that matter, if they were able to obtain all that
>info about me, then they obviously already know my name, address, and
>phone number, and can write it on their fucking census forms and leave
>me the fuck alone.
They can, but they need to know if you live alone (you likely do,
though it's possible you have someone willing to tolerate your
paranoid delusions) or with anyone else. This is required by the U.S.
Constitution.
>
>This has me furious, and I'm ready to hire an attorney, no matter how
>much it costs me.
Not the wisest use of your financial resources, but your money is
yours to waste as you see fit.
>
>What are my legal rights regarding this violation of my property ("No
>Tresspassing" signs), and violating my telephone?
You have none in the manner you present. Especially since it's
very unlikely the person has ever seen your telephone, let alone
violated it in any way.
>
>What CAN they do when I refuse to fill out their goddamn census forms?
They can take legal action. It would start with a fine, then,
MAYBE, incarceration in a federal prison. I doubt prison will be
realistic, but the lawyer you're ready to hire will be a better source
of information.
>Particularly after this harassment, It'll be a cold day in hell before
>I cooperate with them in any capacity.
Enjoy sending your, presumably, hard earned money to the
government.
BTW, Siberia is often very cold. You may enjoy it. You
certainly won't have to worry about the U.S. Census if you should opt
to move there.
--
It's hard to relate to this high-tech world when your kid says her
Lego Toys need more memory.
Kent Wills
I suspect I'm replying to a troll, but I have some free time, so
here goes...
>I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
>secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
>number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
>tossed it in the fireplace.
A dumb move on your part.
>I moved here to be left ALONE, and
>particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
>personal information to ANYONE.
That you are one person, living alone, isn't really personal
information.
If you have anyone living with you, this is also not personal
information.
>That includes the census bureau and
>everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
>period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>
Maybe you should live off the grid entirely.
Move to a location with NO mail delivery. No phone connections.
Nothing to connect you to the outside world.
I understand this is the nice time of year in Siberia.
>Well, I came home the other day and found a note on my door saying
>that I must call someone about the census. Excuse me, they apparently
>crawled over my locked gate, or under my electrified barbed wire
>fence. That's trespassing.
Actually, it's not in this case. The person had a legal reason
to be on your property.
>I called the police and reported this.
>The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
>the census forms.
The Constitution requires a head count. Other aspects are under
federal law and can be changed with ease, if needed/wanted.
>I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
>said he was not sure.
You get a fine. It's $100.00 to start, then ups to $500.
Refuse to pay it, and it's possible you'll get incarcerated.
>That just proves how few rights we have in this
>fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
>fucking lie.
>
The Constitution REQUIRES a count be done.
If you don't like it, lobby for a Constitution Congress to be
enacted and an amendment made.
>What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
>identity. Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up.
The federal government already has your identity.
>This is (supposed to be) a
>free country. That means its my right to refuse to give out personal
>information to anyone, and I will continue to refuse no matter what
>they do.
So pay the fine. Keep paying it, secure in the knowledge that
each time you send off $100.00 then the $500.00 that they still don't
know exactly how many people live at your house.
If you do get prison time, it is possible, though I'm not aware
of it ever happening, they'll have less trouble counting you. Of
course, you'll probably learn what a lack of freedom truly is.
>
>To add insult to injury, I got a call this evening from this same
>person from the census. I DO NOT ever answer the phone. I have an
>answering machine. They left a message telling me I MUST contact
>them, and MUST do so in the next week. EXCUSE ME, I have an UNLISTED
>phone number.
So?
>That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
>nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
>DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number.
A call to 411 and anyone who knows your name (as a census worker
will) and address (also known to the census worker) can get your
number.
You should have opted for unpublished as well as unlisted.
>I'm also on
>the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
Which do not apply in this matter.
>What gives this moron the right to both trespass
Trespass did not occur in the situation you describe.
>and violate my phone
>number?
Did this person somehow coerce your phone number into having sex?
Do explain.
>And for that matter, if they were able to obtain all that
>info about me, then they obviously already know my name, address, and
>phone number, and can write it on their fucking census forms and leave
>me the fuck alone.
They can, but they need to know if you live alone (you likely do,
though it's possible you have someone willing to tolerate your
paranoid delusions) or with anyone else. This is required by the U.S.
Constitution.
>
>This has me furious, and I'm ready to hire an attorney, no matter how
>much it costs me.
Not the wisest use of your financial resources, but your money is
yours to waste as you see fit.
>
>What are my legal rights regarding this violation of my property ("No
>Tresspassing" signs), and violating my telephone?
You have none in the manner you present. Especially since it's
very unlikely the person has ever seen your telephone, let alone
violated it in any way.
>
>What CAN they do when I refuse to fill out their goddamn census forms?
They can take legal action. It would start with a fine, then,
MAYBE, incarceration in a federal prison. I doubt prison will be
realistic, but the lawyer you're ready to hire will be a better source
of information.
>Particularly after this harassment, It'll be a cold day in hell before
>I cooperate with them in any capacity.
Enjoy sending your, presumably, hard earned money to the
Kent Wills
>On Sat, 29 May 2010 23:40:04 -0500, anon...@noneofyourbusiness.com wrote:
>
>> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
>> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
>> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
>> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
>> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
>> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
>> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
>> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>>
>
>Best pure damn bullshit I've read in a long time.
But one of the more enjoyable troll posts.
>First of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
>refusing to fill out the form.
When did you get the authority to nullify 13 U.S.C. � 221?
>In most cases, the census taking people
>don't give a shit. If you're not home, they mark their little tally sheet
>accordingly and move on to the next one.
Actually, if they can't get the information from the resident(s)
of the home, they'll ask neighbors, if any. If need be, they'll check
things like garbage set out on pick-up day to get a reasonable guess
as to the number of people living at the house.
A friend of mine is working for the census, so I do know a bit
about it.
>
>Did you see your name on that oiginal mail? Most likely not. It's bulk mail
>stuff and was probably addressed to "occupant".
>
>When they did the census in 2000, I was a truck driver on the road. Saw the
>form, but never filled it out. Never went to jail either. Not even a phone
>call.
Odds are, the information needed was acquired via your neighbors.
There is no way for me to KNOW this is the case, but it's far more
plausible than your presenting that the Feds don't care about you at
all.
Although... :)
--
Nessun maggior dolore
Che ricordarsi del tempo felice
Nella miseria.
Kent Wills
>Are you being nice to the guy here or what? Don't you realize his story is
>pure damn bullshit?
Did you note where Deadrat pointed out it's a troll post?
Kent Wills
>BTW dickhead, here is the actual law on the penalty for refusing to
>cooperate or give proper information as requested.
"First of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
refusing to fill out the form."
-- Richard Bullis.
>
>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html
>
>You get fined $100, or $500. There is no jail time.
"First of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
refusing to fill out the form."
-- Richard Bullis.
BTW, failure or refusal to pay the fines can result in
incarceration. I have no knowledge that it's ever been done, but I've
not had cause to research the matter.
>
>So you get fined. Plead not guilty. It's going to cost them a hell of a lot
>more than that to go ahead with a trial.
"First of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
refusing to fill out the form."
-- Richard Bullis.
Kent Wills
>At one time, not so long ago, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>Are you being nice to the guy here or what? Don't you realize his story is
>>pure damn bullshit?
>
> Did you note where Deadrat pointed out it's a troll post?
> I can't know DR's motivation, but some of us like to play with
>trolls. "Troll busting," as I call it, can be fun.
Odd. I don't know why the some of my posts came through twice. I
only sent them the one time.
richard
> At one time, not so long ago, Evan Platt
> <ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 May 2010 00:10:25 -0600, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>BTW dickhead, here is the actual law on the penalty for refusing to
>>>cooperate or give proper information as requested.
>>>
>>>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html
>>
>>You come up with that all by yourself? Or just backpedalling since I
>>already posted it? Gee, that would contradict your statement of "First
>>of all, there is no known federal law making it a criminal act
>>refusing to fill out the form."
>
> It is interesting.
> I must admit I am surprised. Typically he just leaves a
> discussion when proved to be in error.
>
>>
>>>You get fined $100, or $500. There is no jail time.
>>>
>>>So you get fined. Plead not guilty. It's going to cost them a hell of a lot
>>>more than that to go ahead with a trial.
>>
>>As Mr. T once said, "I pity the fool who takes legal advice from
>>st00pid."
>
> Paraphrased, of course :)
FYI, I did not see Evan's post on my server until AFTER I had posted the
code link.
And I do not need any one' damn permission to leave a thread. If I'm wrong,
so be it. What's the point of admitting it to a jackass like Evan? I have
admitted I was wrong many times and he still continues to take his little
shots because I was wrong.
Even more so when I use commonly known misguided items as my "facts". He
takes the oppurtunity for harassment. This is all Evan wants to do, is to
harass me. It's practically the only thing he does on usenet.
He got pissed off at me for having posted his work address, as well as his
home address. But he wants to know precisely where I live and will post it
the minute he finds it without caring one bit. I said I was going to pay
him a visit. He calls the cops and has his work place security idiots
notified about it.
But he wants to make my life miserable? How psychotic do you have to get
for that?
richard
Nope sorry. If you have to climb over a locked gate to get to the house,
then you are legally and technically trespassing. As a matter of fact,
there doesn't even have to be a fence or gate. The mere fact that you
posted, "no trespassing", means, stay out unless invited in.
>>I called the police and reported this.
>>The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
>>the census forms.
>
> The Constitution requires a head count. Other aspects are under
> federal law and can be changed with ease, if needed/wanted.
>
>>I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
>>said he was not sure.
>
> You get a fine. It's $100.00 to start, then ups to $500.
> Refuse to pay it, and it's possible you'll get incarcerated.
Got any proof that any one has ever been charged with the "crime"?
>
>>That just proves how few rights we have in this
>>fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
>>fucking lie.
>>
>
> The Constitution REQUIRES a count be done.
> If you don't like it, lobby for a Constitution Congress to be
> enacted and an amendment made.
>
>>What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
>>identity. Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up.
>
> The federal government already has your identity.
If they did, then they should not have to come to your house for a head
count.
>
>>This is (supposed to be) a
>>free country. That means its my right to refuse to give out personal
>>information to anyone, and I will continue to refuse no matter what
>>they do.
>
> So pay the fine. Keep paying it, secure in the knowledge that
> each time you send off $100.00 then the $500.00 that they still don't
> know exactly how many people live at your house.
> If you do get prison time, it is possible, though I'm not aware
> of it ever happening, they'll have less trouble counting you. Of
> course, you'll probably learn what a lack of freedom truly is.
>
>>
>>To add insult to injury, I got a call this evening from this same
>>person from the census. I DO NOT ever answer the phone. I have an
>>answering machine. They left a message telling me I MUST contact
>>them, and MUST do so in the next week. EXCUSE ME, I have an UNLISTED
>>phone number.
>
> So?
>
>>That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
>>nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
>>DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number.
>
> A call to 411 and anyone who knows your name (as a census worker
> will) and address (also known to the census worker) can get your
> number.
> You should have opted for unpublished as well as unlisted.
Uh no. It will not be listed in the 411 service either.
>
>>I'm also on
>>the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
>
> Which do not apply in this matter.
>
>>What gives this moron the right to both trespass
>
> Trespass did not occur in the situation you describe.
Leally define the word "trespass". Do you have the legal right to walk
right into the front door of Fort Knox? If I see you climbing my fence or
gate, you're gonna get a load of buckshot in your face.
--
richard
> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
richard
> On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:57:02 -0600, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
>>
>>
>>This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
>>legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
>>Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
>
> "No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the
> following:"
>
> The census taker, by law, has privilege to do so.
Sorry, but a census taker is not covered under the Ohio "privileged" laws.
Even then, notice to enter the property must be given to the owner a
minimum of 48 hours before doing so.
If a person comes to your house at 3am, finds your doors and windows
locked, does he have the legal right to enter your home anyway? Sorry but
no. Oh but wait, he's a census taker so he has the legal right to be there.
Kent Wills
[...]
>>>>You get fined $100, or $500. There is no jail time.
>>>>
>>>>So you get fined. Plead not guilty. It's going to cost them a hell of a lot
>>>>more than that to go ahead with a trial.
>>>
>>>As Mr. T once said, "I pity the fool who takes legal advice from
>>>st00pid."
>>
>> Paraphrased, of course :)
>
>FYI, I did not see Evan's post on my server until AFTER I had posted the
>code link.
It is possible, though I question it.
>
>And I do not need any one' damn permission to leave a thread. If I'm wrong,
>so be it. What's the point of admitting it to a jackass like Evan?
Admitting one's mistakes is a part of being an adult.
>I have
>admitted I was wrong many times
I've never seen you do such. Of course, I don't read everything
you post.
>and he still continues to take his little
>shots because I was wrong.
>
>Even more so when I use commonly known misguided items as my "facts".
Maybe you should research the facts before you post them.
>He
>takes the oppurtunity for harassment. This is all Evan wants to do, is to
>harass me. It's practically the only thing he does on usenet.
Be pleased that he finds you so worthy of the attention.
>
>He got pissed off at me for having posted his work address, as well as his
>home address. But he wants to know precisely where I live and will post it
>the minute he finds it without caring one bit.
What are the next Powerball numbers? Since you clearly have the
ability to see into the future (you couldn't know what anyone would do
with your home address unless you can see into the future), you should
know them.
>I said I was going to pay
>him a visit.
You also threatened him.
>He calls the cops and has his work place security idiots
>notified about it.
A wise move on his part. If you were to claim you were going to
visit me, while including a threat of violence, I would do much the
same.
>
>But he wants to make my life miserable? How psychotic do you have to get
>for that?
He does pay a great deal of attention to you, but I've seen
nothing that supports your claims.
Evan is quick to point out your errors. That can't be equal to
wanting your home address. Besides, didn't you post it recently
yourself? Aside from pointing out it's a camp ground, or trailer park
(I didn't commit it to memory), as a few others did, Evan did nothing
with the information as far as I've seen.
--
Death: Weight doesn't come into it. My steed has carried armies. My
steed has carried cities. Yea, he hath carried all things in their due
time. But he's not going to carry you three.
War: Why not?
Death: It's a matter of the look of the thing.
War: It's going to look pretty good, then, isn't it, the One Horseman
and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse.
(from Sourcery, by Terry Pratchett)
Kent Wills
>>>Well, I came home the other day and found a note on my door saying
>>>that I must call someone about the census. Excuse me, they apparently
>>>crawled over my locked gate, or under my electrified barbed wire
>>>fence. That's trespassing.
>>
>> Actually, it's not in this case. The person had a legal reason
>> to be on your property.
>>
>
>Nope sorry. If you have to climb over a locked gate to get to the house,
>then you are legally and technically trespassing. As a matter of fact,
>there doesn't even have to be a fence or gate. The mere fact that you
>posted, "no trespassing", means, stay out unless invited in.
>
The worker had a legal reason to be on the property.
>
>
>>>I called the police and reported this.
>>>The cops told me it's required by federal law that eveyone complete
>>>the census forms.
>>
>> The Constitution requires a head count. Other aspects are under
>> federal law and can be changed with ease, if needed/wanted.
>>
>>>I asked the cops what happens if I refuse, and he
>>>said he was not sure.
>>
>> You get a fine. It's $100.00 to start, then ups to $500.
>> Refuse to pay it, and it's possible you'll get incarcerated.
>
>Got any proof that any one has ever been charged with the "crime"?
>
I point out that I've never know anyone to get sentenced to any
time for failing/refusing to pay the fine. That should stand as proof
that I have nothing to show that anyone has.
The fine is administrative, and not a criminal penalty, so you
can't mean that.
>>
>>>That just proves how few rights we have in this
>>>fucked up country. The whole "free country" thing is just a big
>>>fucking lie.
>>>
>>
>> The Constitution REQUIRES a count be done.
>> If you don't like it, lobby for a Constitution Congress to be
>> enacted and an amendment made.
>>
>>>What are they going to do, imprison me for refusing to give out my
>>>identity. Fuck Em' Let em' lock me up.
>>
>> The federal government already has your identity.
>
>If they did, then they should not have to come to your house for a head
>count.
>
Except that the U.S. Constitution REQUIRES everyone be counted.
Maybe in your dream world the Constitution can be ignored. In
reality, it can't be so easily done.
[...]
>>
>>>That means this Monday morning I'll be having some
>>>nasty words with the phone company. Unlisted is unlisted, which means
>>>DO NOT FUCKING CALL ME unless I give you my phone number.
>>
>> A call to 411 and anyone who knows your name (as a census worker
>> will) and address (also known to the census worker) can get your
>> number.
>> You should have opted for unpublished as well as unlisted.
>
>
>Uh no. It will not be listed in the 411 service either.
>
Unpublished and unlisted are two different things. Most people
opting for one will also opt for the other. This will prevent the
number from being printed in the phone books AND prevent 411 from
getting it.
The troll claimed only one. If I have the two terms confused,
then so be it. This means that it's listed in the phone book but 411
can't access it.
>>
>>>I'm also on
>>>the NATIONAL and STATE " DO NOT CALL LIST".
>>
>> Which do not apply in this matter.
>>
>>>What gives this moron the right to both trespass
>>
>> Trespass did not occur in the situation you describe.
>
>Leally define the word "trespass". Do you have the legal right to walk
>right into the front door of Fort Knox?
If I have legal reason to be there, yes.
>If I see you climbing my fence or
>gate, you're gonna get a load of buckshot in your face.
If I have a legal reason to be there, you'll be looking at a
conviction for, at best, assault in the situation you describe.
--
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you
realize that it was your money to start with.
Kent Wills
>On Sat, 29 May 2010 23:40:04 -0500, anon...@noneofyourbusiness.com wrote:
>
>> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
>> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
>> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
>> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
>> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
>> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
>> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
>> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>>
>
>
>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
>
>
>This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
>legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
>Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
In the troll post, the situation you want to exist does not
exist. The census worker wasn't there simply because he had a means
to do so, nor was he using it as a short cut.
The worker was there for a legal reason. As such, trespass is not
an issue.
Kent Wills
>On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:18:58 -0700, Evan Platt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:57:02 -0600, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
>>>
>>>
>>>This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
>>>legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
>>>Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
>>
>> "No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the
>> following:"
>>
>> The census taker, by law, has privilege to do so.
>
>Sorry, but a census taker is not covered under the Ohio "privileged" laws.
Please cite the exception for census workers. I'd enjoy reading
it, if it exists.
>Even then, notice to enter the property must be given to the owner a
>minimum of 48 hours before doing so.
Pizza delivery must really suck in Ohio.
"I'd like a large cheese."
"We'll have that to you in 48 hours and 30 minutes."
BTW, had you read the census form, it states that if one doesn't
fill it out and return it, someone will stop by to get the information
required.
I would think that far more than 48 hours was given in the
notice, which should meet the law you reference. Or will you claim
that it must be 48 hours only?
>
>If a person comes to your house at 3am, finds your doors and windows
>locked, does he have the legal right to enter your home anyway? Sorry but
>no. Oh but wait, he's a census taker so he has the legal right to be there.
A census worker isn't likely to enter the house uninvited. That
would probably be residential burglary (breaking and entering), and
not trespass, so your example fails.
A worker does have the legal right to be on the property if the
reason for being there is related to the census. No amount of your
wishing differently will alter this.
--
Always follow your dream!
Unless it's the one where you're at work in your underwear during a
fire drill.
deadrat
This doesn't apply to people who have a legal dispensation to be on your
property.
<snip/>
>> The federal government already has your identity.
>
> If they did, then they should not have to come to your house for a head
> count.
They still have to physically do the count.
<snip/>
>
> Leally define the word "trespass".
Sure. Unlawful entry on the property of another.
> Do you have the legal right to walk
> right into the front door of Fort Knox?
Sounds painful.
> If I see you climbing my fence or
> gate, you're gonna get a load of buckshot in your face.
And you'll probably be arrested and convicted for a crime that depends on
whether your victim lives of dies. And whom will we laugh at then?
<snip/>
deadrat
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 23:40:04 -0500, anon...@noneofyourbusiness.com wrote:
>
>> I moved to a very secluded rural area to be LEFT ALONE. I have a
>> secure gate with "No Trespassing" signs. I have an unlisted phone
>> number. A few months ago I got all this census shit in the mail and I
>> tossed it in the fireplace. I moved here to be left ALONE, and
>> particularly with all this identity theft, I am not giving out
>> personal information to ANYONE. That includes the census bureau and
>> everyone else. I do not like most people, particularly strangers,
>> period. Leave me the fuck alone.
>>
>
>
> http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
>
>
> This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
> legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
> Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
Whaddayasuppose the words "without privilege" mean in the statute?
deadrat
> On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:18:58 -0700, Evan Platt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:57:02 -0600, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
>>>
>>>
>>>This is how Ohio handles "trespassing". Sorry, but no, you do not have the
>>>legal right to enter property simply because you have the means to do so.
>>>Or simply because you want to use that property as a shortcut.
>>
>> "No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the
>> following:"
>>
>> The census taker, by law, has privilege to do so.
>
> Sorry, but a census taker is not covered under the Ohio "privileged" laws.
The laws of states do not constrain a census taker performing a Constitutional
duty.
> Even then, notice to enter the property must be given to the owner a
> minimum of 48 hours before doing so.
The census mails forms asking for the information it needs. Their literature
tells you what will happen if they don't hear from you.
> If a person comes to your house at 3am,
Census takers do not go to houses at 3am.
> finds your doors and windows
> locked, does he have the legal right to enter your home anyway?
Census takers do not attempt to enter houses.
> Sorry but
> no. Oh but wait, he's a census taker so he has the legal right to be there.
No one claims that census takers may break into your home at 3am and do a bed
check.
Greegor
KBW > Is free cable available? :)
Nah, You're thinking of Wills world.