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Kevin

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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What is the difference between a J.D. and a LL.D. all I could find was
their definitions:

JD or J.D. abbreviation. Juris Doctor. (Doctor of Laws)

LL.D. abbreviation. Latin. Legum Doctor (Doctor of Laws).

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Bjork

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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>What is the difference between a J.D. and a LL.D. all I could find was
>their definitions:

The J.D. is what used to be the LL.B., which was a bachelor of law, the degree
everyone gets when one is graduated from a law school. The law schools changed
it 20 or so years ago for no good reason other than cosmetics. An LL.D. is
indeed a doctor of laws, which is an advanced degree (or an honorary degree)
beyond J.D. It is akin to a Ph.D. vs. B.A. or B.S.


Tom Gossman

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Nov 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/29/98
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In article <367483ec...@mercury.rev.net>, bj...@aol.com (Bjork) wrote:
>>What is the difference between a J.D. and a LL.D. all I could find was
>>their definitions:

The JD is a basic law degree (replacing the LLB at most law schools). The LLD
is an honorary degree universities may give. It has nothing to do with law
school or legal education. Some law schools give advanced degrees beyond the
JD -- LLM (Master of Laws) and SJD (Doctor of Juridical Science).


Katherine Griffis

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Nov 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/29/98
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On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:20:01 GMT, bj...@aol.com (Bjork) wrote:

>>What is the difference between a J.D. and a LL.D. all I could find was
>>their definitions:
>

>The J.D. is what used to be the LL.B., which was a bachelor of law, the degree
>everyone gets when one is graduated from a law school. The law schools changed
>it 20 or so years ago for no good reason other than cosmetics. An LL.D. is
>indeed a doctor of laws, which is an advanced degree (or an honorary degree)
>beyond J.D. It is akin to a Ph.D. vs. B.A. or B.S.

My understanding was that the LLB was granted when a) three years of
college were completed, with pre-law coursework completed, b) passing of
the LSAT, and c) with admission to a law school meeting all grade
requirements. At the end of law studies, the baccalaureate degree was
granted _along with_ the LLB law degree.

The JD, OTOH, was (in my understanding) a degree granted to an
individual who completed a) all four years of the baccalaurate, b) was
_graduated_ after _all_ baccalaureate coursework was completed, and c)
then met all law school grade requirements, LSAT scores, etc. The main
difference between the two degrees was the addition of the extra year of
study at the baccalaureate level in college coursework.

That said, my query is now this: The difference between the LLD and the
DJ/D.Juris/Doc.Juris [Doctor Juris (Doctor of Law)]? I was always told
the latter was the "PhD." level of legal studies.

Regards -

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, J.D.

University of Alabama at Birmingham
Special Studies

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Philip Kremer

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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In article <366ad8d3...@mercury.rev.net>,

Katherine Griffis <gri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>That said, my query is now this: The difference between the LLD and the
>DJ/D.Juris/Doc.Juris [Doctor Juris (Doctor of Law)]? I was always told
>the latter was the "PhD." level of legal studies.

If you do not have to write a dissertation for a J.D. -- i.e. a book
length original contribution to knowledge -- then I would say that the
J.D. is not equivalent to a PhD. Same goes for an M.D.: non-research
physicians use knowledge, but do not typically make major contributions to
it.

PK

Tom Gossman

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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In article <3677149b....@mercury.rev.net>, kre...@mars.its.yale.edu

(Philip Kremer) wrote:
>If you do not have to write a dissertation for a J.D. -- i.e. a book
>length original contribution to knowledge -- then I would say that the
>J.D. is not equivalent to a PhD. Same goes for an M.D.: non-research
>physicians use knowledge, but do not typically make major contributions to
>it.
>
The PhD is not equivalent to a JD or an MD. It is an academic doctorate,
while the JD and MD are professional doctorates. It probably makes sense to
have a dissertation requirement for the PhD, though a dissertation would serve
no purpose for the JD or MD.


Robert0317

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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>My understanding was that the LLB was granted when a) three years of
>college were completed, with pre-law coursework completed, b) passing of
>the LSAT, and c) with admission to a law school meeting all grade
>requirements. At the end of law studies, the baccalaureate degree was
>granted _along with_ the LLB law degree.
>
>The JD, OTOH, was (in my understanding) a degree granted to an
>individual who completed a) all four years of the baccalaurate, b) was
>_graduated_ after _all_ baccalaureate coursework was completed, and c)
>then met all law school grade requirements, LSAT scores, etc. The main
>difference between the two degrees was the addition of the extra year of
>study at the baccalaureate level in college coursework.
>

I think it depends on the state (some, many? states have no law schools which
will admit a student without a baccalaureate degree). One example of a state
where this distinction between LL.B. and J.D. does hold true is Indiana.


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