What Are Your 4YO Doing?
Jan Silbermann
Eliana was very sick as a baby and was expected to be severly
retarded. We were lucky and she came through her illness very
well. It has been a while since she had a formal evaluation
and probably won't get another until before kindergarten.
She has been in a regular non-special ed classroom for
a year and did well. I wanted to get an idea of how
other four year olds look to try and formulate a clearer
picture of how her schooling should proceed.
Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
(barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
What are your four year olds doing?
Thanks,
Jan
Catherine M. Taylor
Jan Silbermann <j...@cs.tulane.edu> wrote:
: Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
: name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
: (barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
: has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
: What are your four year olds doing?
Really basically the same exact thing, except Emmy can count
through the teens, (she has to count to ten with me in order to get out of
time out ~grin~) but you forgot the biggie----I think she's also going
through a continual stage of PMS.
Good luck, she sounds like she's right on track.
Kitty - mom to Emmy (4.8YO) and Abby (2.8YO)
Marion Baumgarten
Jan Silbermann <j...@cs.tulane.edu> wrote:
> Eliana was very sick as a baby and was expected to be severly
> retarded. We were lucky and she came through her illness very
> well. It has been a while since she had a formal evaluation
> and probably won't get another until before kindergarten.
> She has been in a regular non-special ed classroom for
> a year and did well. I wanted to get an idea of how
> other four year olds look to try and formulate a clearer
> picture of how her schooling should proceed.
> Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
> name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
> (barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
> has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
> What are your four year olds doing?
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
If this will help you- she sounds real good. My son has a speech delay
(which is getting MUCH better-yay!)
He'll be five in October.
He can count to 100 and actually count out objects to 30-40.
Knows colors
Can't write his name or any letters
FINALLY using complete sentances
good attention span when he wants
fuzzy on time concepts
can't/won't color in lines
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Marion Baumgarten
Mother to die Wunderkinder- Martha (7) and Peter (4)
ST. John's College, Annapolis, 1982
Marion Baumgarten
TrekkerJoe
Well, I don't HAVE a four year old, but my parents were quite articulate
in later years explaining what I was like. Whether this was from fond
memories or a desire for revenge, I've never been entire certain.
Among certain notable features mentioned were a complete inability to tie
my shoes. I think this was from receiving TOO MUCH help. My father was
right handed, my mother was somewhat left-handed, and my grandmother was
more-or-less ambidextrous, and they were ALL trying to teach me this
relatively simple procedure. Eventually figured it out for myself.
I was surprisingly literate for a four-year-old, but my parents READ to me
as often as they could, which was frequently.
I apparently had an excessive attraction to mud, but show me a small child
that doesn't...
Although I was capable of dressing myself, I apparently tended to start
with the shirt, and get around to the rest of it when I felt like it, or,
more accurately, when my MOTHER felt like it, which was generally as soon
as she caught me.
I didn't sing. I CAN'T sing. Still can't. My mother had a wonderful
singing voice. As for myself, well, my apartment complex circulated a
petition the last time I tried.
Don't know if this helps in the case stated, but I think children have a
lot of similar points, and a lot of variances. They are, above all else,
individuals. Good luck! :)
Julie Berry
Jan Silbermann wrote:
>
> Eliana was very sick as a baby and was expected to be severly
> retarded. We were lucky and she came through her illness very
> well. It has been a while since she had a formal evaluation
> and probably won't get another until before kindergarten.
> She has been in a regular non-special ed classroom for
> a year and did well. I wanted to get an idea of how
> other four year olds look to try and formulate a clearer
> picture of how her schooling should proceed.
> Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
> name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
> (barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
> has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
> What are your four year olds doing?
>
doesn't know his colors, and she was told that 4 yo's should count at
least to five. However, I know lots of 4 yo's who can't write their own
name or color in the lines.
Good luck,
Julie Berry
be...@wolfenet.com
Kelly Anne Hinkle
In article <4ukuga$o...@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> j...@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann) writes:
>Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
>name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
>(barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
>has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
>What are your four year olds doing?
Hi Jan,
Jessica can count to 20, knows all her colors, has a huge vocabulary, can NOT
color in the lines or write her name, but she does compose her own songs, has
a good attention span, is great with younger kids, plays Candy Land in
marathon lengths with her 3 year old sister, gently tells her brother (age 14
months) that 'she had X first', etc. She rides a 2 wheel bike with training
wheels, pumps her legs correctly on the swings, but gawd, don't ask her to
throw or catch a ball. :-)
Sounds to me like Ellie is a perfectly normal 4 year old. They all have
different strengths and weaknesses, and she sounds like any other regular kid.
Glad to see she came through everything fine....
Kelly and the Zoo Crew
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Marjorie Peskin
Graham can read simple words, knows colors, counts to 100+ correctly,
does simple addition and division problems, has a vocabulary of about
500 Hebrew words, and a huge English vocabulary including words like
archaeology, knows all the instruments in an orchestra by sight and
sound, and can play simple guitar chords.
Gemma can tell you where anything is (she is geographically gifted, if
there is such a thing!), can count to about 50, knows most of the
letters of the alphabet, can spell all the names in the family including
the cat, can do simple addition, is well versed in the many subtile
color shades (teal, lilac, etc) can color in the lines, can write some
but not all letters of the alphabet, has a Hebrew vocabulary of about
300+ words, knows all the b'rakas, can do ANY trapeze-related exercises,
stands on her head, and talks absolutely non-stop for up 10 16 hours
straight.
Sounds like Ellie is doing really well, and that you have little to
worry about. Kids do differ, and she's doing some things that my 4 yr
olds can't do (Graham can't color in lines, for example) and they're
doing things that she can't do. Perfectly normal, thank HaShem. :-)
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Rob Frazier
In article <4um5cb$5...@xochi.tezcat.com>, mari...@tezcat.com (Marion Baumgarten) writes:
|> My son...has a speech delay
|> (which is getting MUCH better-yay!)
Yay!
|> can't/won't color in lines
Good for him :-)
Rob
Scott A Oakman
In article <4ul2tk$k...@thor.cmp.ilstu.edu>,
Catherine M. Taylor <cmt...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> wrote:
>Jan Silbermann <j...@cs.tulane.edu> wrote:
>: Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
>: name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
>: has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
>: What are your four year olds doing?
>
>through the teens, (she has to count to ten with me in order to get out of
>time out ~grin~) but you forgot the biggie----I think she's also going
>through a continual stage of PMS.
>Good luck, she sounds like she's right on track.
What is it that you mean by the PMS? Is it a general state of
"contrariness"? If so, man, have we got this BAD in our 4.5 yr old! I
have to admit, it will kind of make me feel a bit more "normal" as a
parent to hear that this is a normal phase or something. Ryan really
seems to be at a point where "If it's not what *I* want, it's wrong!"--to
the point of arguing with us about days of the week, colors of flowers,
what have you...
Reminds me of the advice someone posted here some time ago: "Three is Two
with a year's experience, and Four is Three WITH ATTITUDE!"
Anyway, on the more positive side: Ryan is beginning to color more
competently, though still not within the lines (and Daddy *is* OK with
that--even though he grew up with a strange belief that the folks from
Whitman publishing were going to come to his house and check over all his
coloring books for crossed lines! :-P ) Ryan also reads better than
he'll let on to us--signs, simple books, nutritional labels ;-) (just
don't *ask* him to read something to you!)
He dotes on his little sister, and only physically assaults her every now
and then...
He's starting to identify friends his age, though still prefers to play
*his* way...
Well--that's a start anyway.
Kathy Samworth
Melissa was 4 in April. She sounds pretty similar to Ellie
in what she can do. She writes her name (usually in the
right direction but sometimes backwards), she can count to
19 and sometimes higher but she needs help remembering 20,
30 etc., colors in the lines (pretty well), has a pretty
good attention span, uses scizzors fairly well (but has
her own type of grip that works for her). Her best
accomplishment this summer was learning to swim. We live
next to a pool and she has been swimming ALOT. She is
now able to go about 10 feet withoug using a float..
doing the "doggie paddle". She just learned to skip.
She can swing by pumping herself without us pushing.
She can jump down from the 4th step. She is trying to
hang from those bars and reach to the next bar without
dropping down. So far she can do one.
Behavior wise, she is alot easier to reason with than
she was even 6 or so months ago. She has fewer
"tantrum" behaviors when she doesn't get her way.
You can actually talk to her about it and get her
to settle down rather than have her get so worked
up.
She gets excited as she learns to do new things. It
is a wonderful age!
-Kathy (mom to Melissa 4.3 and Julia -will be 2 in October)
In article <4ukuga$o...@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu>,
Jan Silbermann <j...@cs.tulane.edu> wrote:
>Eliana was very sick as a baby and was expected to be severly
>retarded. We were lucky and she came through her illness very
>well. It has been a while since she had a formal evaluation
>and probably won't get another until before kindergarten.
>She has been in a regular non-special ed classroom for
>a year and did well. I wanted to get an idea of how
>other four year olds look to try and formulate a clearer
>picture of how her schooling should proceed.
>Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
>name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
>(barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
>has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
>What are your four year olds doing?
>
>Thanks,
>Jan
Lynda Seehusen
Jan Silbermann (j...@cs.tulane.edu) wrote:
: Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
: name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
: (barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
: has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
: What are your four year olds doing?
Emma will be four in a few weeks (gak! when did *that* happen!) and
she sounds about the same as Ellie. Em was born 7 weeks early but
any dif. between her and another 3.10 year old disappeared long ago.
She can count to 20 before she starts over (usually at 14 for some
reason :), has a growing vocab., can color mostly in the lines and
refers to everything in time as happening "yesterday" or "tomorrow"
which I understand is normal for this age. When we went to a
developmental fair at the education agency in town they found her to
be right on track for her age.
Her pre-school suggested practicing with scissors so we've been working
on that and she's making good progress. She can also write her name
now. She recognizes all the alphabet letters and can write a few in
addition to those in her name.
Lynda, mom to Emma, 3.10 and Shannon, 10 months.
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"There really is no rising or falling standard of living. Over the centuries
people simply find different stuff to feel grumpy about. You'd think that
merely not having bubonic plague would put us in a good mood. But no, we
want a hot tub too." David Owen
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Tom and Debbie Miller
In <4um8kt$b...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie
Peskin) writes:
>
>
>olds can't do (Graham can't color in lines, for example) and they're
I have a question...why is everyone so interested in coloring in the
lines? I've read several places that it inhibits children to be given
coloring books with pre-drawn objects to color in. It's supposedly
better to just give them plain paper to draw on. That's all my twins
have been given and all I plan to give them. Will this be a problem
later on?
Debbie Miller
Mommy to Kate and Maggie (10-11-93)
Claire Petersky
Jan Silbermann (j...@cs.tulane.edu) wrote:
: Ellie can count to five, knows all her colors, can write her
: name, uses complete sentences and has a large vocabulary
: (barring minor speech delays), can color in the lines,
: has a long attention span, understands basic time concepts.
: What are your four year olds doing?
Rose, nearly four can:
Count to 120
Do simple addition ("if you had three frogs, and I gave you four more, how
many frogs would you have?")
Read "early reader"-type books
Write some letters, but can't manage the "R" and the "S" in her name
Uses complete sentences and has an enormous vocabulary
Can't color in the lines
Just began making faces of people
Understands time concepts pretty well, is interested in clocks and
calendars
Has a long attention span
Wears diapers most of the time; won't use the potty/toilet
Can hike up to two miles on relatively level terrain
Can't play on a jungle gym; can go up but not down a ladder
Can get dressed and put on her shoes (velcro-type closures)
--
Claire Petersky (pete...@halcyon.com)
Mother to Rose (9/92) and Emma (11/94)
Spiros Triantafyllopou
Lemme see, Sophia is about age 4.
Can count to 20
Understands *zero* :-)
Knows all the letters/numbers
can write most letters
knows colors
speaks *perfect* English (unlike her parents :-)) including lots of
correct grammar (this really *sucks* :-))
extremely agile (1+ year in gym, 3 months tap/jazz dance)
can dress self, does not bother most of the time except when
going out to play
potty trained
can go whole day w/o nap on weekends if woken up late
can color or cut between lines/fill in shapes/...
can use several games on the PC with trackball
feeds self (often :-())
very socially aware (both with adults and other kids)
talks constantly (sigh)
easily memorizes songs (Sound of Music, HELP!)
knows her *last* name (:-))
good fine motor skills (Legos, etc)
still invades our bed nightly
Spiros
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Marjorie Peskin
Tom and Debbie Miller (tom...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <4um8kt$b...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie
: Peskin) writes:
: >
: >
You're describing two different skills. Coloring IN the lines teaches
fine motor control. Freehand drawing fosters creativity. You do both for
a well-rounded drawing experience.
Marjorie Peskin
Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
this?
Beth Weiss
Marjorie Peskin <mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
>class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
>this?
I'm AMAZED that anyone would buy shoes that tie for their 4 year old!
:-) All of Jordan's summer shoes are slip ons! I admit to heavier
shoes that tie, but summer shoes: they slip on.
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bwe...@cs.arizona.edu
Marion Baumgarten
Tom and Debbie Miller <tom...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> In <4um8kt$b...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie
> Peskin) writes:
> >
> >
>
> >olds can't do (Graham can't color in lines, for example) and they're
>
> I have a question...why is everyone so interested in coloring in the
> lines? I've read several places that it inhibits children to be given
> coloring books with pre-drawn objects to color in. It's supposedly
> better to just give them plain paper to draw on. That's all my twins
> have been given and all I plan to give them. Will this be a problem
> later on?
>
> Debbie Miller
> Mommy to Kate and Maggie (10-11-93)
--
It's an easy idea of where your child's small muscle control might be
at. We could say he can draw a straight line, copy a circle, etc. and
get the same idea.
Kids will be fine without coloring book, though they can be fun for
children. My kids like both, depending on their mood.
jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch
In article <4uqf6u$t...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) writes:
>Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
>class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
>this?
younger one learned it by "watching" she tells us (the preschool asked
us how we taught her, we asked them how they did it, they looked at
us, ...) and came up with an alternate way using two loops that does
work fine from the toplogical point of view, and pretty good from the
snugness POV.
Of course, it took the 6yr old, who had been refusing to learn to tie
her shoes, less than 45 minutes to learn it herself, when offered the
competition. Two examples, a few minutes fiddling around, and she had it
down pat.
So that's not a 4yr old, but kids vary on this one, we can be sure.
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In <4ur6um$2...@xochi.tezcat.com> mari...@tezcat.com (Marion
Baumgarten) writes:
>
>--
>It's an easy idea of where your child's small muscle control might be
>at. We could say he can draw a straight line, copy a circle, etc. and
>get the same idea.
>
Oh, well, that does help. They can both copy shapes that we draw
(though they have trouble drawing--not recognizing--octagons and
hexagons). Maggie can draw faces, complete with ears, hair, cheeks,
and chins (along with the eyes, nose, and mouth). Kate probably could,
but doesn't because that seems to be "Maggie's thing." But, she can
draw immensely complicated lines that twist and turn in patterns. So,
if they're doing this at 2 years old, I guess they're okay, right?
Debbie
Alex Hay
Tom and Debbie Miller wrote:
> I have a question...why is everyone so interested in coloring in the
> lines? I've read several places that it inhibits children to be given
> coloring books with pre-drawn objects to color in. It's supposedly
> better to just give them plain paper to draw on. That's all my twins
> have been given and all I plan to give them. Will this be a problem
> later on?
Coloring books don't cause cause any physical problems, but also don't help
anything. The reason to avoid coloring books is that they teach children
a few things which they really shouldn't be taught. Examples:
1) When you draw your pictures aren't as neat as the ones in these books, so
they must not be as good.
2) If you can't stay within the lines, you've failed.
3) *This* is how an (object) is drawn -- if you decide to draw an (object)
another way, it's wrong.
4) Drawings should be of a specific object or scene -- if you're drawing just
to see what the colors look like when they mix, or to notice how
it feels when you scribble, or just feel like drawing lots of circles,
*you're doing it wrong!*
There's more, but it's nearly 4:00 AM so I'm going to stop there.
I prefer blank paper because children can draw anything on it, whether animals,
people, shapes, or "just" scribbles. (I don't see scribbles as a "just" but
many people do.)
You may find it interesting to note that children are much better at drawing
within their own lines than someone else's. For example , if you draw a circle
on a piece of paper and hand it to a child to color in, she will go outside the
lines much more than if she draws a similar circle on her own paper, and then
colers her own circle. If they lay down the outlines, they used their own
muscles in defining that boundary and are much more capable of staying within
the lines.
> Debbie Miller
> Mommy to Kate and Maggie (10-11-93)
Unless my math skills have just gone out the window, your daughters are not quite
three years old right now. At that age, coloring on *big* paper is good -- they
should be working mostly on the large muscles in their arms. Crayons are Ok as
long as they are the really, really fat ones -- they are likely to "fist" them.
You may want to check out the art supply section of a big Toys R Us or a nice
toy store or teacher supply shop. There are some crayons which look rather like
a smallish, colored golf ball with a hole on one side and a "finger" on the other
side. The ball shape allows small hands to grab the crayon with a fist, and to
color without rotating their wrists.
This is also a great age for hand-painting. Try spooing some chocolate pudding
onto a tray, or even better, right onto the table. Other things are fun too, but
chocolate pudding is particularly cool. Almost-three is a wonderful age to be
discovering different textures and senses, so try anything you can think of! Just
remember that for children, art is all about the *process*, not the product.
I'd best head off to bed right now, but if I haven't bored you yet, you're welcome
to write to me and ask for more info. Hope you and your daughters have some
wonderful, creative art experiences.
-Alex
Associate in Early Childhood Education, 1995
Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, 1997
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naomi pardue
Alex Hay (ale...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
I disagree with most of these:
> Coloring books don't cause cause any physical problems, but also don't help
> anything. The reason to avoid coloring books is that they teach children
> a few things which they really shouldn't be taught. Examples:
> 1) When you draw your pictures aren't as neat as the ones in these books, so
> they must not be as good.
So we shouldn't let our children look at picture books either, presumbly?
After all, Shaina's pictures aren't nearly as good as the illustrations
in her books.
> 2) If you can't stay within the lines, you've failed.
I have NEVER noticed this response when my daughter colors. When she was
younger, and was not capable of staying in the lines, she didn't even
try. She scribbled all over the picture, and that was that. Now,
sometimes she takes her time and stays in the lines, other times she is
more casual. She enjoys both methods equally, and is equally proud of her
work. (And if she brings the picture to me for comment, if I can't praise
her staying in the lines, I can and do praise her choice of colors or
some other aspect of the picture.)
> 3) *This* is how an (object) is drawn -- if you decide to draw an (object)
> another way, it's wrong.
See #1. Shaina's picture books are full of illos of people. The people
she draws look nothing like that. She has never appeared disappointed.
> 4) Drawings should be of a specific object or scene -- if you're drawing just
> to see what the colors look like when they mix, or to notice how
> it feels when you scribble, or just feel like drawing lots of circles,
> *you're doing it wrong!*
That would be an issue if the child ONLY had coloring books, and NEVER
had blank paper to scribble on. My kid has both. She decides if she
wants to color in her coloring book, or draw on blank paper. I think
variety is the key, and letting the child choose what he/she wants to do.
(And, of course, when the child IS using a coloring book, never
suggesting that she has made a mistake if she doesn't stay in the lines.)
Naomi
Jennifer Sullivan
In article <321304A5...@u.washington.edu> Alex Hay <ale...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>Tom and Debbie Miller wrote:
>
> they must not be as good.
> another way, it's wrong.
> to see what the colors look like when they mix, or to notice how
> it feels when you scribble, or just feel like drawing lots of circles,
> *you're doing it wrong!*
I think kids are smarter than this. As a child I sometimes drew in
coloring books and sometimes drew free-form. I never made all these
above asumptions!
Jen
Cindy Kandolf
Beth Weiss (bwe...@CS.Arizona.EDU) writes:
| Marjorie Peskin <mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
| >Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
| >class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
| >this?
|
| :-) All of Jordan's summer shoes are slip ons! I admit to heavier
| shoes that tie, but summer shoes: they slip on.
_All_ of my shoes are slip-ons. Some of them have laces. I assume
this is a manufacturing problem.
Right now, the advantage of tie shoes for Kenneth is that it takes him
a few seconds to undo the laces, and that gives me extra time to stop
him from taking them off if he really should take them off. I wonder
how long i have until he figures out how to pull the whole thing off
with laces tied? Now that i've said it on m.k, probably a week 8-).
I really doubt this will last until he's four...
- Cindy Kandolf, mamma to Kenneth (b. 12 Feb 1994)
ci...@nvg.unit.no Trondheim, Norway
Bilingual Families Web page:
http://www.nvg.unit.no/~cindy/biling-fam.html
Susan Benjamin
bwe...@CS.Arizona.EDU (Beth Weiss) said this about that:
>Marjorie Peskin <mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>>Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
>>class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
>>this?
Not my kids but when Sarah was four she had a friend who could
tie her own shoes *and* do two-sided zippers! She was four also.
>
>I'm AMAZED that anyone would buy shoes that tie for their 4 year old!
>:-) All of Jordan's summer shoes are slip ons! I admit to heavier
>shoes that tie, but summer shoes: they slip on.
If you have narrow feet then shoes that slip on won't stay on. James
can't wear slip-ons (except for thongs). And when he was four, he
didn't believe in using bike brakes -- he'd drag his feet on the
ground to slow down. I used to pick out shoes for him based on
how thick they were in front! Converse all stars are the best.
Susan B.
sben...@netcom.com
Marion Baumgarten
Susan Benjamin <sben...@netcom.com> wrote:
> bwe...@CS.Arizona.EDU (Beth Weiss) said this about that:
> >Marjorie Peskin <mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
> >>Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my daughter's
> >>class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's just 4 yr-old do
> >>this?
>
> Not my kids but when Sarah was four she had a friend who could
> tie her own shoes *and* do two-sided zippers! She was four also.
My daughter's jr. k teacher had the class work on the zippers- so did my
son's Montessori school- all the three year olds could do it.
--
Ginny Hunt
> > >Marjorie Peskin <mpe...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
> > >>Yesterday I noted that a child that recently turned 4 in my
> > >daughter's class tied her shoes. I was AMAZED. Does anyone else's >
> >just 4 yr-old do this?
Well...no. Jonathan cannot tie his shoe laces. He can put on his socks
and shoes and tie the laces the first step of the process where you twist
one lace around the other. After that, I have to complete the job. He
has taught himself to button, though, and can snap and zip his pants
fairly easily. All in all, he can dress himself and only needs help
figuring right from left shoe and, as I said, tying them. He also counts
to one hundred, but that's another subject.
~Ginny