HELP! I'm pregnant, which cheese is safe to eat?
Laura Rompot
melanie wrote:
>
> I am pregnant and have heard a lot of things about various foods being
> 'safe' or otherwise to eat. I normally eat a reasonable amount of cheese
> but I cannot find a list of so called 'safe' cheese. I know there is a
> difference between types made with pasturised and unpasturised milk but
> which is which? Which types are safe? Can you help?
>
> In particular, is parmesan safe? I thought it was but a friend has
> placed a doubt in my mind.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> --
> melanie
Melanie--
I must admit that I giggled a little when I read your post, but then I
realized that maybe I'm jumping to conclusions on this. I have never
heard of cheese being even a remote problem during pregnancy...but, I've
been wrong before and would appreciate knowing if I'm wrong on this
one. I'm from Wisconsin and have embraced the cheddarhead mentality
completely...I eat cheese on EVERYTHING!!! It seems that if a food as
common as cheese were a problem during pregnancy, there would be more
'press' on the matter.
I checked all my pregnancy books and not one of them lists anything
about cheese. Unless someone knows something more than I do (wouldn't
be a stretch)...I'd say that any kind of cheese is going to be just fine
during pregnancy. I wonder if this isn't one of those 'old-wives'
tales, although I've never heard of it before...and it seems like I've
heard them all by now!
Good luck and happy cheddar-chomping!!!
Laura
melanie
Jane Gregg
In article <335565B2...@ibm.net>, Laura Rompot <lro...@ibm.net> writes:
>
> I must admit that I giggled a little when I read your post, but then I
> realized that maybe I'm jumping to conclusions on this. I have never
> heard of cheese being even a remote problem during pregnancy...but, I've
> been wrong before and would appreciate knowing if I'm wrong on this
<snips>
>
> Laura
You should avoid all soft cheeses during pregnancy because they are high
carriers of the listeria bacteria. Listeria can cause stillbirth and
miscarriage in immune-deficient people, and when you are pregnant you are
considered part of this group. It actually attacks the fetus itself, so is
quite devastating in most cases.
Other listeria-carrying foods include all filter-feeding shellfish,
unpasturised milk products of any kind, cold cuts of meat like ham, cold beef,
etc bought commercially, pre-prepared salads etc.
Hard cheeses are fine to eat. Parmesan is a very hard cheese so it is ok. It
is illegal to sell unpasturised cheeses here, but if they are available you
should avoid like the plague. They are very dangerous to pregnant women.
Recently in NZ there have been 3 babies die of listeria in stillbirth when their
mothers ate pre-prepared food from the same supermarket, so it is a high in the
consciousness at the moment.
--
Jane Gregg
LMiller
On 17 Apr 97 13:58:47 +1200, Jane Gregg
<j.g...@amst.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
What do you mean by soft cheese? Particular cheese "flavors",
velveeta, what?
Lauré
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Jan Silbermann
In article <1997Apr17.135847@cantva>,
Jane Gregg <j.g...@amst.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>You should avoid all soft cheeses during pregnancy because they are high
>carriers of the listeria bacteria. Listeria can cause stillbirth and
>miscarriage in immune-deficient people, and when you are pregnant you are
>considered part of this group. It actually attacks the fetus itself, so is
>quite devastating in most cases.
Listeria is a horrible, nasty little bacteria. My b-i-l almost died
of Listeria poisoning last year, despite not even being in an
immuno-suppressed group. He probably got it from vegetables
that hadn't been washed well. Be careful, especially when
pregnant.
Laurel Coates
LMiller wrote:
> What do you mean by soft cheese? Particular cheese "flavors",
> velveeta, what?
>
> Lauré
>
Anyway, when I was pregnant, cheeses grosses me out BIG TIME! I remember
I new I was pregnant, but I hadn't been to the doctor yet, and my
husband made me a nice meal of pasta with a blue-cheese sauce (erk). I'm
sure the sauce was good, but there was no way I could eat it, let alone
smell it. i told DH to please throw it away and put it in the trash
outside, and I told him then.
Laurel
jdemi...@miworld.net
I know this is a dumb question - but soft cheeses? Does that mean
cottage cheese, ricotta cheese etc? This is news to me too - I may be
pregnant again and I want to make sure of what is safe. Thanks - Carey
On 17 Apr 97 13:58:47 +1200, Jane Gregg
<j.g...@amst.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>In article <335565B2...@ibm.net>, Laura Rompot <lro...@ibm.net> writes:
>>
>> melanie wrote:
>>>
>>> I am pregnant and have heard a lot of things about various foods being
>>> 'safe' or otherwise to eat. I normally eat a reasonable amount of cheese
>>> but I cannot find a list of so called 'safe' cheese. I know there is a
>>> difference between types made with pasturised and unpasturised milk but
>>> which is which? Which types are safe? Can you help?
>>>
>>> In particular, is parmesan safe? I thought it was but a friend has
>>> placed a doubt in my mind.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> --
>>> melanie
>>
>>
>> Melanie--
>>
>> I must admit that I giggled a little when I read your post, but then I
>> realized that maybe I'm jumping to conclusions on this. I have never
>> heard of cheese being even a remote problem during pregnancy...but, I've
>> been wrong before and would appreciate knowing if I'm wrong on this
>
><snips>
>
>
>>
>> Laura
>
>
>You should avoid all soft cheeses during pregnancy because they are high
>carriers of the listeria bacteria. Listeria can cause stillbirth and
>miscarriage in immune-deficient people, and when you are pregnant you are
>considered part of this group. It actually attacks the fetus itself, so is
>quite devastating in most cases.
>
Alison Wyld
jdemi...@miworld.net wrote:
>
> I know this is a dumb question - but soft cheeses? Does that mean
> cottage cheese, ricotta cheese etc? This is news to me too - I may be
> pregnant again and I want to make sure of what is safe. Thanks - Carey
>
No,
It means soft cheeses with a rind, like Brie and Camembert, particularly
if they are unpasturised. You should not eat any unpasturised cheese
AT ALL if you are pregnant, and you shouldn't eat blue cheeses
either.
I'm not sure about ricotta, but I'd think commercial cottage cheese
would be OK.
In general, if it comes shrinkwrapped in plastic from the supermarket
and hasn't seen a cow in a long time, its likely to be OK. If it comes
oozing and smelly from the farm its proabably not OK.
You also shouldn't eat things like pate for the same reason.
And you should apparently NEVER, EVER even go near an unpasturised
goat while pregnant.
Cheers
Alison
andy
melanie <mel...@sirnose.demon.co.uk> writes:
>but I cannot find a list of so called 'safe' cheese. I know there is a
>difference between types made with pasturised and unpasturised milk but
>which is which? Which types are safe? Can you help?
Oops, just realized you are in the UK. I dont know what their labeling laws are
there.
andrea
p.s.
A lot of Brie's are not pastuerized.
wal...@dnvn.com
> melanie wrote:
> >
> > I am pregnant and have heard a lot of things about various foods being
> > 'safe' or otherwise to eat. I normally eat a reasonable amount of cheese
> > but I cannot find a list of so called 'safe' cheese. I know there is a
> > difference between types made with pasturised and unpasturised milk but
> > which is which? Which types are safe? Can you help?
> >
> > In particular, is parmesan safe? I thought it was but a friend has
> > placed a doubt in my mind.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> > --
> > melanie
>
>
> Melanie--
>
> I must admit that I giggled a little when I read your post, but then I
> realized that maybe I'm jumping to conclusions on this. I have never
> heard of cheese being even a remote problem during pregnancy...but, I've
> been wrong before and would appreciate knowing if I'm wrong on this
> one. I'm from Wisconsin and have embraced the cheddarhead mentality
> completely...I eat cheese on EVERYTHING!!! It seems that if a food as
> common as cheese were a problem during pregnancy, there would be more
> 'press' on the matter.
>
Listeria infection which is a common problem with unpasteurized cheeses
has as one of its primary effects production of miscarriage. I think I
have also read that it is more likely to kill women when pregnant. I
don't know which cheeses qualify as potential carriers, but the last
couple of outbreaks I have read about involved 'Mexican type' soft
cheeses, whatever the heck that means. Dozens of people were reported to
have been affected by these commercially sold cheeses in California.
Does your doctor have a consulting dietician or whatever who might know?
k
Catherine L Kelley
In article <33563D...@France.Sun.COM>,
Alison Wyld <aw...@France.Sun.COM> wrote:
>
>And you should apparently NEVER, EVER even go near an unpasturised
>goat while pregnant.
>
Um, how do you pasteurize a goat? Sounds kind of inhumane. :-) Do you
mean unpasteurized goat cheese? Or do you mean a goat who isn't in a
pasture? Sorry Alison, don't mean to poke fun at your very helpful post
... it just struck me as funny.
>Cheers
>
>Alison
And to you too,
-Cathy Kelley
clke...@umich.edu
Christina Kerr Joplin
Alison Wyld wrote:
>
> jdemi...@miworld.net wrote:
> >
> > I know this is a dumb question - but soft cheeses? Does that mean
> > cottage cheese, ricotta cheese etc? This is news to me too - I may be
> > pregnant again and I want to make sure of what is safe. Thanks - Carey
> >
>
> No,
>
> It means soft cheeses with a rind, like Brie and Camembert, particularly
> if they are unpasturised. You should not eat any unpasturised cheese
> AT ALL if you are pregnant, and you shouldn't eat blue cheeses
> either.
>
> I'm not sure about ricotta, but I'd think commercial cottage cheese
> would be OK.
>
> In general, if it comes shrinkwrapped in plastic from the supermarket
> and hasn't seen a cow in a long time, its likely to be OK. If it comes
> oozing and smelly from the farm its proabably not OK.
>
> You also shouldn't eat things like pate for the same reason.
>
> goat while pregnant.
>
>
> Alison
So if goats are so dangerous to pregnant women, how do those who own
them (such as myself), and have to look after them (ditto), avoid any
nasty problems associated with goats (which are...?). Obviously we
cannot all avoid animals while pregnant (we have approx. 75 various
critters, all living outside of the house), so what exactly is it that I
should keep clear of? I am of course very meticulous when coming back
inside about washing my hands and any other parts that happen to come
into contact with the animals.
Curious,
Christina
Eleni Antonakou
>I must admit that I giggled a little when I read your post, but then I
>realized that maybe I'm jumping to conclusions on this. I have never
>heard of cheese being even a remote problem during pregnancy...but, I've
>been wrong before and would appreciate knowing if I'm wrong on this
>one.
Well, in my pregnancy books says to be careful with brie and the blue cheeses since
smt happens at the procedure of making and the bacteria stay. I don't remember
details, but I stopped eating brie. Besides, although I never had problem with it, now I
can't stand the smell of it.
Eleni (7 Oct)
--
"The flesh, alas, is sad and I have read all the books"
Mallarme
Jennifer Skilling
I was told not to eat any unpasteurised cheese, any goat's cheese, no rind
ripened soft cheeses (brie, camembert etc) and no blue cheeses (blue stilton,
gorgonzola, etc). Run of the mill hard cheeses are no problem, provided
they are pastuerised, things like Dairylea and Phillidelphia are fine as is
cottage cheese. Supermarket hard cheeses are probably all OK.
I have been told both yes and no for parmesan and mozzarela, but have eaten them
both cooked.
The danger I think is mostly listeria, although I think goat's cheese may also
have a toxiplasmosis risk.
Basically it seems that if it's really nice cheese you can't have it :-)
Jennifer
Renato Ghica
Jennifer Skilling wrote:
>
> I was told not to eat any unpasteurised cheese, any goat's cheese, no rind
> ripened soft cheeses (brie, camembert etc) and no blue cheeses (blue stilton,
>
so where does sour cream fit in?
-rg
Miche
In article <33559413...@nntp.infoave.net>
Que...@mail.infoave.net (LMiller) writes:
> What do you mean by soft cheese? Particular cheese "flavors",
> velveeta, what?
Things like brie, camembert, and other cheese with a reasonable 'give'
when you press it with a finger.
This is going to make me very sad when I finally get pregnant.
Miche
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Jane Gregg
In article <33559413...@nntp.infoave.net>, Que...@mail.infoave.net (LMiller) writes:
>>
> What do you mean by soft cheese? Particular cheese "flavors",
> velveeta, what?
By soft cheeses I meant things like brie, camenbert [sp?], blue vein,
stilton...anything with a rind or visible culture.
Could you ring your nearest public health office [do you have those] and ask if
they have a pamphlet on listeria? This might have a more thorough list of
cheeses to avoid.
Processed "cheese" flavours are so far away from cheese I'm sure they'll be
safe.
>
>
> Lauré
--
Jane Gregg
Jane Gregg
In article <3357A1...@jpmorgan.com>, Renato Ghica <ghica_...@jpmorgan.com> writes:
>
> so where does sour cream fit in?
>
> -rg
As long as it's fresh and pasturised it should be fine. The process for sour
cream is different from cheese making and kills the listeria bacteria.
--
Jane Gregg
Jane Gregg
>>
>> And you should apparently NEVER, EVER even go near an unpasturised
>> goat while pregnant.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Alison
>
> So if goats are so dangerous to pregnant women, how do those who own
> them (such as myself), and have to look after them (ditto), avoid any
> nasty problems associated with goats (which are...?). Obviously we
I think she was joking about the goat. The point was to avoid unpasturised
gaot products.
If you make cheeses or use milk directly from your animals you should stop
immediately. Pregnant women are considered immune-suppressed and highly
susceptible to listeriosis, which will in most cases cause miscarriage or
stillbirth.
Patting your goat is unlikely to be dangerous, unless it decides to kick you or
something!
>
> Curious,
> Christina
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Julie Boehme
In article <sbKZPAAH...@sirnose.demon.co.uk>,
mel...@sirnose.demon.co.uk says...
>
>
>I am pregnant and have heard a lot of things about various foods being
>'safe' or otherwise to eat. I normally eat a reasonable amount of
cheese
>but I cannot find a list of so called 'safe' cheese.
OH GOD, don't tell me now that there's such a thing as "unsafe" cheeses
during pregnancy! I live in Wisconsin, and this would be heresy!
Where on earth would you have heard about this?
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
Alison Wyld <aw...@France.Sun.COM> wrote:
: And you should apparently NEVER, EVER even go near an unpasturised
: goat while pregnant.
How does one pasteurise a goat? We used to have goats when we were
kids (another dark secret :-)). Nothing between a fight between the
mutt dog and the baby goat to start the day :-)
Spiros
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LPastin
Hope this helps everyone!
Christina Kerr Joplin
Jane Gregg wrote:
>
> In article <3356DA...@infoave.net>, Christina Kerr Joplin <tinaj...@infoave.net> writes:
>
> >>
> >> goat while pregnant.
> >>
> >>
> >> Alison
> >
> > So if goats are so dangerous to pregnant women, how do those who own
> > them (such as myself), and have to look after them (ditto), avoid any
> > nasty problems associated with goats (which are...?). Obviously we
>
> I think she was joking about the goat. The point was to avoid unpasturised
> gaot products.
>
> If you make cheeses or use milk directly from your animals you should stop
> immediately. Pregnant women are considered immune-suppressed and highly
> susceptible to listeriosis, which will in most cases cause miscarriage or
> stillbirth.
>
> Patting your goat is unlikely to be dangerous, unless it decides to kick you or
> something!
>
> >
> > Curious,
> > Christina
> --
> Jane Gregg
I figured the goat thing was a pun, but it's nice to know as much as
possible about potential dangers. I don't use any dairy products (or any
others) from my goats or sheep, and they're all tame, so no kicking or
butting, thank goodness. I try to be very careful about cleaning up
after tending the animals, but I was wondering if anyone has any advice
about chickens and/or salmonella? We have a few chickens and ducks,
which I try not to touch much, but it's impossible to avoid them
altogether.
Thanks,
Christina
pvt
>I was told not to eat any unpasteurised cheese, any goat's cheese, no rind
>ripened soft cheeses (brie, camembert etc) and no blue cheeses (blue stilton,
>they are pastuerised, things like Dairylea and Phillidelphia are fine as is
>cottage cheese. Supermarket hard cheeses are probably all OK.
>I have been told both yes and no for parmesan and mozzarela, but have eaten them
>both cooked.
>The danger I think is mostly listeria, although I think goat's cheese may also
>have a toxiplasmosis risk.
Oh my gosh! I wish I had known this BEFORE I ate 1/2 wheel of brie
(not all at once, mind you!)!! Maybe I get extra points for not eating
the rind...
--Diane 2K:P
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