China Investigates Deaths After Swine Flu Shot
john
Peter B
"john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1939575,00.html
A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
heart attack while playing basketball, and a ministry spokesperson told
the China Daily newspaper that the death was a "coincidental medical
incident" and not related to the vaccine. No details on the second
victim have been released thus far.
Jan Drew
Mark Probert
A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
Jan Drew
Peter B
"Jan Drew" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
>>
> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1939575,00.html
>
A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
heart attack while playing basketball, and a ministry spokesperson told
the China Daily newspaper that the death was a "coincidental medical
incident" and not related to the vaccine. No details on the second
victim have been released thus far.
PeterB - Original
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message
None of which proves vaccine safety. The fact remains -- vaccines
are unpredictable and dangerous.
Peter B
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It proved John, Janet, and your lies and attempts at deception, It was
also evidence that the vaccine did not kill. I am suprised that you all
are backing his post.
Lemmings going off a cliff together? I dare say so!
Mike
I guess there are so many ostensibly healthy gym teachers suddenly dying
on the job in China that sometimes their death may coincide with a
vaccination. Nothing to see here, move on.
tools
unfiltered truth?
Peter B
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John did, and like you he posted an article that went against his
agenda.
Mark Probert
Man, are you desperate.
Mark Probert
So far, every death and adverse event that anti-vac liars have tried
to sensationalize in this news group has met the same fate.
I like to call it Chicken Little Syndrome.
tools
Mike
Mark Probert
I understood it. I just corrected it.
PeterB - Original
I'm not the one using anecdotal reports to make a case for vaccine
safety. Vaccines are unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Peter B
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You, Suh, are using lies to poison the well. You cannot back up those
words scientifically. (not that you know what that word means, lol.)
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:76992f70-f07c-4955...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
It's true, vaccines are unpredictable and dangerous. I stopped
getting vaccinated years ago. I'm still here.
Peter B
===================================================
Living off the immunity provided by those vaccines, eh? No doubt.
So you got your immunity and want to deny it for others?
You're as phony as that old broad Janet who used to rant about mercury
fillings and how they kill maim and destroy yet she's 72 or 73 and still
kicking.
How old are you? between 75 and 85? Alive because of the vacs you took.
incredible.
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:14e24494-68e0-4894...@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Seriously, though. Vaccines are unpredictable and dangerous. I
stopped getting vaccinated years ago. And I'm still here.
Peter B
======================================================
Obviously they helped and didn't hurt.
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:a8effb1f-5b8e-4c7e...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Obviously? I suppose smoking doesn't shorten life as long as you can
smoke a few thousand first? Great logic.
Peter B
======================================================
You really should review your posts before sending, especially since
your sarcasm makes you look the fool.
Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:5d215f81-a2a0-4caa...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
Describing the hazards of vaccine is not sarcasm.
> Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers. If there is proof
of your claim, where is it?
> Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
Peter Bowditch
>The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
>well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers.
Nobody ever said they did. Do you get a bulk discount at the strawman
shop?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Peter B
=======================================================
Yes, you are that dumb, not seemingly that dumb, but pure simple living
dumbass ignorant.
> Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers. If there is proof
of your claim, where is it?
=====================================================
Now you add yet another myth. ala lie, Show me proof that it was ever
promoted by the drug makers.
> Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
===================================================
You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a shrieking
parrot.
PeterB - Original
> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
> >well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers.
>
> Nobody ever said they did.
Tell your pharmnut newbie, those were his words.
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1e3cdbd5-1232-4a75...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> dumbass ignorant.
>
> > Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
>
> The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
> well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers. If there is proof
> of your claim, where is it?
> =====================================================
> Now you add yet another myth. ala lie, Show me proof that it was ever
> promoted by the drug makers.
If the drug makers don't promote vaccine for wellness, why do you?
> > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
> 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> ===================================================
> You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a shrieking
> parrot.
I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
in ignorance, that's not my problem.
Peter B
=====================================================
Yet more false assumptions based on ignorance, poor reading
comprehension, and agenda driven blindness.
My post you misquoted, post edited and changed the format of was
originally like this...
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Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You were innoculated. When a flu comes around like they usually do, many
Dr.s will get a flu shot if you are caught in the earlies stages of the
flu to eliminate or reduce the hit of the flu.
Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
> > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
> 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> ===================================================
> You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a shrieking
> parrot.
I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
in ignorance, that's not my problem.
===============================================
Your ignorance is your problem, well, lol, I guess maybe not since your
ignorance is so all encompassing that you cannot escape it.
Mark Probert
>
> >The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or make
> >well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers.
>
> Nobody ever said they did. Do you get a bulk discount at the strawman
> shop?
Strawmen are his only friends. His favorite food is red herring, and
his hobby is well poisoning.
PeterB - Original
> "PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e469cc93-1eb5-45c8...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
They were your words, not mine.
> My post you misquoted...
I didn't, but if you agree that vaccines don't heal or make well, why
did you say they did?
>, post edited and changed the format of
> was originally like this...
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------
>
> Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
>
> Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
So you lied and now blame me for pointing it out. If you are
admitting that vaccines do not do all three, we are back to the issue
of evidence of vaccine safety. You have never produced a shred of
evidence for it. And the reason is simple. It doesn't exist.
> You were innoculated. When a flu comes around like they usually do, many
> Dr.s will get a flu shot if you are caught in the earlies stages of the
> flu to eliminate or reduce the hit of the flu.
Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable. If for no other
reason because of genetic drift. Read a book.
> Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
There is nothing to deny but your empty claims.
> > > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> > False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
> > 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> > ===================================================
> > You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a shrieking
> > parrot.
>
> I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
> page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
> in ignorance, that's not my problem.
> ===============================================
> Your ignorance is your problem, well, lol, I guess maybe not since
> your ignorance is so all encompassing that you cannot escape it.
Is that why you've never cited any published science to back up your
bogus claims? Don't tell me -- you can't do that because it doesn't
exist. But then, we already knew that.
PeterB - Original
markey, you are not my friend and I prefer mahi mahi. My hobby is
watching you work for your supper.
Peter B
> My post you misquoted...
=====================================================
Then why are you alive, why are millions of others, ......ALIVE! wow,
there is no evidence that anyone is alive, eh? Not one shred of evidence
that the world is better off without Polio, reduced deaths due to fle,
You suh are simply too stupid for yourself.
> You were innoculated. When a flu comes around like they usually do,
> many
> Dr.s will get a flu shot if you are caught in the earlies stages of
> the
> flu to eliminate or reduce the hit of the flu.
Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable. If for no other
reason because of genetic drift. Read a book.
====================================================
No, you are wrong, read the book you ignorant dummy, you *CAN* read
can't you? Can you also comprehend *anything*? Or do you daily walk
about singing, "I'm to stupid for my self, too stupid, too stupid for my
self, too stupid for MY S-E-E- E L L l l ffffff." well then, you are
correct in at least one thing. You indeed are very stupid.
"Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable". Wrong, simply wrong.
{{{{{SHUDDER}}}}}
They are not unreliable for what they were designed for, get it bozo?
Genetic drifts sometimes happend by the time the flu has taken a
foothold, and in that case it might be a bit weaker than it could have
been, but not unreliable since they were not designed for that anymore
than having been designed for an entirely contadictory strain.
Then there is the option you just opened up, and you said it turkey
breath, if a flu vaccine was unable to perform for a genetic shift then
you just tacitly fully admitted that a proper dosage would have been
sufficient.
So here we are beginning to develope a truth. One that contradicts your
hypocrisy.
1. You have taken vaccines and benefitted from all of them.
2. You admit vaccines are indeed effective.
3. You still want to deny them to all others.
The book you read? supported all of this, you suh are a fraud.
> Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
There is nothing to deny but your empty claims.
=====================================
Really? And here you are, alive and perfunctionary.
> > > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> > False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
> > 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> > ===================================================
> > You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a
> > shrieking
> > parrot.
>
> I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
> page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
> in ignorance, that's not my problem.
> ===============================================
> Your ignorance is your problem, well, lol, I guess maybe not since
> your ignorance is so all encompassing that you cannot escape it.
Is that why you've never cited any published science to back up your
bogus claims? Don't tell me -- you can't do that because it doesn't
exist. But then, we already knew that.
================================================
You just admitted reading a book that supported my claims.
Jan Drew
> On Nov 17, 8:33�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 17, 8:27 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
>
>
> >http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1939575,00.html
>
> A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
> heart attack while playing basketball, and a ministry spokesperson
> told
> the China Daily newspaper that the death was a "coincidental medical
> incident" and not related to the vaccine. No details on the second
> victim have been released thus far
Chinese health officials reported on Nov. 13 the first deaths in
people who received the H1N1 vaccine. The Ministry of Health announced
that the two people, including a teacher from Hunan province, died
hours after receiving their inoculations. Since September, when the
ministry began its H1N1 immunization program, 12 million Chinese have
received the pandemic flu
Jan Drew
Fact the facts, Mark S Probert.
Jan Drew
<...>
Markieeeeee posted nothing but his usual harassing.
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, you made a claim without proving it, Then, insulted.
Peter B
"Jan Drew" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yet you too received vaccines.
Peter B
====================================================
Jan is exceptionally dumb tonight, 12 million received vaccine, 2 died
neither of which died from vaccine complications.
IOW's they wasted vaccines on two people who were going to die anyhow,
like hulda.
PeterB - Original
>
> > > > Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
>
> > > The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or
> > > make well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers. If
> > > there is proof of your claim, where is it?
> > > ================================================
> > > was ever promoted by the drug makers.
>
> > If the drug makers don't promote vaccine for wellness, why do
> > you?
> > =================================================
> > comprehension, and agenda driven blindness.
>
> They were your words, not mine.
>
> > My post you misquoted...
>
> I didn't, but if you agree that vaccines don't heal or make well, why
> did you say they did?
>
> >, post edited and changed the format of
> > was originally like this...
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
>
> > Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
>
> > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
>
> So you lied and now blame me for pointing it out. If you are
> admitting that vaccines do not do all three, we are back to the
> issue of evidence of vaccine safety. You have never produced a
> shred of evidence for it. And the reason is simple. It doesn't exist.
> =================================================
Lots of people who smoke aren't dead either, genius. Does it occur to
you that they often live shorter lives than those who **don't**
smoke?
> wow,
> there is no evidence that anyone is alive, eh? Not one shred of evidence
> that the world is better off without Polio, reduced deaths due to fle,
> You suh are simply too stupid for yourself.
Wrong, idiot. I've cited the published science proving that vaccine
wasn't even available as the vast majority of declines in disease
related mortality was taking place over most of the last 100 years.
You? Zip. No science at all to back up your so-called "evidence."
> > You were innoculated. When a flu comes around like they usually do,
> > many
> > Dr.s will get a flu shot if you are caught in the earlies stages of
> > the
> > flu to eliminate or reduce the hit of the flu.
>
> Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable. If for no other
> reason because of genetic drift. Read a book.
> ====================================================
> No, you are wrong, read the book you ignorant dummy, you *CAN* read
> can't you? Can you also comprehend *anything*?
Are you like 13, dude? Have I maybe miscalculated that you are even
an adult?
> Or do you daily walk
> about singing, "I'm to stupid for my self, too stupid, too stupid for my
> self, too stupid for MY S-E-E- E L L l l ffffff." well then, you are
> correct in at least one thing. You indeed are very stupid.
(eyebrows raised) This kid is loopy.
> "Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable". Wrong, simply wrong.
> {{{{{SHUDDER}}}}}
>
> They are not unreliable for what they were designed for, get it bozo?
No, bozo, I don't. They were designed to generate profits for the
drug makers. Their ability to save lives is highly speculative, at
best. If I'm wrong, produce the science and cite your source (not a
resource, but a SOURCE OF DATA.)
> Genetic drifts sometimes happend by the time the flu has taken a
> foothold, and in that case it might be a bit weaker than it could have
> been, but not unreliable since they were not designed for that
> anymore
> than having been designed for an entirely contadictory strain.
You know, your ideas, such as they are, could be condensed into about
five words. I would suggest the words "I have something to sell."
> Then there is the option you just opened up, and you said it turkey
> breath, if a flu vaccine was unable to perform for a genetic shift
> [sic] then you just tacitly fully admitted that a proper dosage would
> have been sufficient.
No, shit for brains, I didn't. I said "If for no other reason..."
> So here we are beginning to develope a truth. One that contradicts
> your hypocrisy.
> 1. You have taken vaccines and benefitted from all of them.
Being alive doesn't prove vaccines are beneficial any more than being
a long-lived smoker. Idiot.
> 2. You admit vaccines are indeed effective.
I said nothing of the sort.
> 3. You still want to deny them to all others.
No, I want the public to understand that vaccines are unpredictable
and dangerous, that the science supporting them is not credible, and
that nutrition is the primary key to wellness.
> The book you read? supported all of this, you suh are a fraud.
The fraud is you, pharmnut wannabe.
> > Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
>
> There is nothing to deny but your empty claims.
> =====================================
> Really? And here you are, alive and perfunctionary.
You're a dumbass. Want proof? "Perfunctionary" is not a word.
> > > > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> > > False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole, page
> > > 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> > > ===================================================
> > > You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a
> > > shrieking
> > > parrot.
>
> > I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
> > page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
> > in ignorance, that's not my problem.
> > ===============================================
> > Your ignorance is your problem, well, lol, I guess maybe not since
> > your ignorance is so all encompassing that you cannot escape it.
>
> Is that why you've never cited any published science to back up your
> bogus claims? Don't tell me -- you can't do that because it doesn't
> exist. But then, we already knew that.
> ================================================
> You just admitted reading a book that supported my claims.
Get off the drugs, kid, and read a book that covers topics you like to
play with.
Peter B
================================================
Lots live longer too, your point?
> wow,
> there is no evidence that anyone is alive, eh? Not one shred of
> evidence
> that the world is better off without Polio, reduced deaths due to fle,
> You suh are simply too stupid for yourself.
Wrong, idiot. I've cited the published science proving that vaccine
wasn't even available as the vast majority of declines in disease
related mortality was taking place over most of the last 100 years.
You? Zip. No science at all to back up your so-called "evidence."
================================================
No you did not. Poor reading comprehension on your part.
Peter B
===============================================
The very book you said you were reading, dummy.
> Genetic drifts sometimes happend by the time the flu has taken a
> foothold, and in that case it might be a bit weaker than it could have
> been, but not unreliable since they were not designed for that
> anymore
> than having been designed for an entirely contadictory strain.
You know, your ideas, such as they are, could be condensed into about
five words. I would suggest the words "I have something to sell."
> Then there is the option you just opened up, and you said it turkey
> breath, if a flu vaccine was unable to perform for a genetic shift
> [sic] then you just tacitly fully admitted that a proper dosage would
> have been sufficient.
No, shit for brains, I didn't. I said "If for no other reason..."
===============================================
Oh is the poor wittle babee's feewings hutt. awww geeee.
> So here we are beginning to develope a truth. One that contradicts
> your hypocrisy.
> 1. You have taken vaccines and benefitted from all of them.
Being alive doesn't prove vaccines are beneficial any more than being
a long-lived smoker. Idiotl
==================================================
Poor babee, smokers die sooner via flu's. WK fact. Fact is thay you
lived throught the epidemics, etc. because of vaccines. Fact is they did
not kill you. Fact is that they did not make things worse. Fact is you
helped erradicate polio.
> 2. You admit vaccines are indeed effective.
I said nothing of the sort.
================================================
Yes, you said proper dosages wher more successful.
> 3. You still want to deny them to all others.
No, I want the public to understand that vaccines are unpredictable
and dangerous, that the science supporting them is not credible, and
that nutrition is the primary key to wellness.
==================================================
Not provible, withcess your lige.
> The book you read? supported all of this, you suh are a fraud.
The fraud is you, pharmnut wannabe.
> > Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
>
> There is nothing to deny but your empty claims.
> =====================================
> Really? And here you are, alive and perfunctionary.
You're a dumbass. Want proof? "Perfunctionary" is not a word.
=================================================
Wrong, I wrote it down
> > > > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
>
> > > False. Read "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R. Beaglehole,
> > > page
> > > 43. You know nothing about the true history of vaccine.
> > > ===================================================
> > > You keep stating the same lie, over n over , n over, just a
> > > shrieking
> > > parrot.
>
> > I referred you to "Public Health at the Crossroads" by R.
> > Beaglehole,
> > page 43 so you can educate yourself. If you prefer to remain steeped
> > in ignorance, that's not my problem.
> > ===============================================
> > Your ignorance is your problem, well, lol, I guess maybe not since
> > your ignorance is so all encompassing that you cannot escape it.
>
> Is that why you've never cited any published science to back up your
> bogus claims? Don't tell me -- you can't do that because it doesn't
> exist. But then, we already knew that.
> ================================================
> You just admitted reading a book that supported my claims.
Get off the drugs, kid, and read a book that covers topics you like to
play with.
=================================================
What was the name of the book you said you read that had all this stuff
written therein.?
Read it and weep, big babee.
PeterB - Original
>
> > > > > Smoking did not purport to heal, make well, inoculate.
>
> > > > The operative word being "purport." Vaccines do not heal or
> > > > make well. That is a myth promoted by the drug makers. If
> > > > there is proof of your claim, where is it?
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Now you add yet another myth. ala lie, Show me proof that it
> > > > was ever promoted by the drug makers.
>
> > > If the drug makers don't promote vaccine for wellness, why do
> > > you?
> > > =================================================
> > > Yet more false assumptions based on ignorance, poor reading
> > > comprehension, and agenda driven blindness.
>
> > They were your words, not mine.
>
> > > My post you misquoted...
>
> > I didn't, but if you agree that vaccines don't heal or make well,
> > why did you say they did?
>
> > >, post edited and changed the format of
> > > was originally like this...
>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > > Vaccines did and they do, evidence you.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > admitting that vaccines do not do all three, we are back to the
> > issue of evidence of vaccine safety. You have never produced a
> > shred of evidence for it. And the reason is simple. It doesn't
> > exist.
> > =================================================
> > Then why are you alive, why are millions of others, ......ALIVE!
>
> Lots of people who smoke aren't dead either, genius. Does it
> occur to you that they often live shorter lives than those who
> **don't** smoke?
> ================================================
> Lots live longer too, your point?
I made it, dumbass. The fact that smoking is not immediately fatal
doesn't mean it's safe. The fact that vaccine isn't immediately fatal
doesn't mean it's safe. And so far you've refused to produce a single
citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
safety.
> > wow,
> > there is no evidence that anyone is alive, eh? Not one shred of
> > evidence
> > that the world is better off without Polio, reduced deaths due to fle,
> > You suh are simply too stupid for yourself.
>
> Wrong, idiot. I've cited the published science proving that vaccine
> wasn't even available as the vast majority of declines in disease
> related mortality was taking place over most of the last 100 years.
> You? Zip. No science at all to back up your so-called "evidence."
> ================================================
> No you did not. Poor reading comprehension on your part.
Liar. You had never even heard of "Public Health at the Crossroads"
until I told you about it. You have no clue what is written on page
43 and you obviously don't care what it says.
> > > You were innoculated. When a flu comes around like they usually do,
> > > many
> > > Dr.s will get a flu shot if you are caught in the earlies stages of
> > > the
> > > flu to eliminate or reduce the hit of the flu.
>
> > Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable. If for no other
> > reason because of genetic drift. Read a book.
> > =================================================
> > No, you are wrong, read the book you ignorant dummy, you *CAN* read
> > can't you? Can you also comprehend *anything*?
>
> Are you like 13, dude? Have I maybe miscalculated that you are
> even an adult?
>
> > Or do you daily walk
> > about singing, "I'm to stupid for my self, too stupid, too stupid for
> > my
> > self, too stupid for MY S-E-E- E L L l l ffffff." well then, you are
> > correct in at least one thing. You indeed are very stupid.
>
> (eyebrows raised) This kid is loopy.
>
> > "Seasonal flu vaccines are notoriously unreliable". Wrong, simply
> > wrong.
> > {{{{{SHUDDER}}}}}
>
> > They are not unreliable for what they were designed for, get it
> > bozo?
>
> No, bozo, I don't. They were designed to generate profits for the
> drug makers. Their ability to save lives is highly speculative, at
> best. If I'm wrong, produce the science and cite your source (not
> a resource, but a SOURCE OF DATA.)
<chirp>
PeterB - Original
<chirp>
IOW, you cannot cite a source that agrees with you. What a shocker.
> > Genetic drifts sometimes happend by the time the flu has taken a
> > foothold, and in that case it might be a bit weaker than it could have
> > been, but not unreliable since they were not designed for that
> > anymore
> > than having been designed for an entirely contadictory strain.
>
> You know, your ideas, such as they are, could be condensed into about
> five words. I would suggest the words "I have something to sell."
>
> > Then there is the option you just opened up, and you said it turkey
> > breath, if a flu vaccine was unable to perform for a genetic shift
> > [sic] then you just tacitly fully admitted that a proper dosage would
> > have been sufficient.
>
> No, shit for brains, I didn't. I said "If for no other reason..."
> ===============================================
> Oh is the poor wittle babee's feewings hutt. awww geeee.
>
> > So here we are beginning to develope a truth. One that contradicts
> > your hypocrisy.
> > 1. You have taken vaccines and benefitted from all of them.
>
> Being alive doesn't prove vaccines are beneficial any more than being
> a long-lived smoker. Idiot.
> ==================================================
> Poor babee, smokers die sooner via flu's. WK fact. Fact is thay you
> lived throught the epidemics, etc. because of vaccines. Fact is they did
> not kill you. Fact is that they did not make things worse. Fact is you
> helped erradicate polio.
You used more non sequiturs than punctuation or even misspelled words
this time. If you're the new breed of pharmnut, this is going to be
fun.
> > 2. You admit vaccines are indeed effective.
>
> I said nothing of the sort.
> ================================================
> Yes, you said proper dosages wher more successful.
There is no such thing as a proper dose of an unproven
"medication."
> > 3. You still want to deny them to all others.
>
> No, I want the public to understand that vaccines are unpredictable
> and dangerous, that the science supporting them is not credible,
> and that nutrition is the primary key to wellness.
> ================================================
> Not provible, withcess your lige.
Oh-oh, looks like those little club fingers slipped off the keys
again. No problem, I'm sure it's just as intelligible this way.
> > The book you read? supported all of this, you suh are a fraud.
>
> The fraud is you, pharmnut wannabe.
>
> > > Why do you deny the good that vaccines did for you?
>
> > There is nothing to deny but your empty claims.
> > =====================================
> > Really? And here you are, alive and perfunctionary.
>
> You're a dumbass. Want proof? "Perfunctionary" is not a word.
> =================================================
> Wrong, I wrote it down
Write down the word "Idiot" and if you ever hear it spoken, identify
yourself.
> > You just admitted reading a book that supported my claims.
>
> Get off the drugs, kid, and read a book that covers topics you like
> to play with.
> =================================================
> What was the name of the book you said you read that had all this
> stuff written therein.?
For you, it had might as well be something published by Marvel Comics.
Peter Bowditch
>And so far you've refused to produce a single
>citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
>safety.
I told you where to find thousands of papers. You refused to look.
PeterB - Original
> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >And so far you've refused to produce a single
> >citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
> >safety.
>
> I told you where to find thousands of papers. You refused to look.
What you did was provide a meaningless search query, as I proved the
other day. Remember?
Peter Bowditch
>On Nov 23, 1:00�am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >And so far you've refused to produce a single
>> >citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
>> >safety.
>>
>> I told you where to find thousands of papers. You refused to look.
>
>What you did was provide a meaningless search query, as I proved the
>other day. Remember?
What I remember is that you said that something didn't exist. I told
you where to find thousands of instances. You refused to look.
Mark Probert
What part of "coincidental" do you not understand? Or, are you
claiming that Commie China is a part of the BigPharma
Organizedmedicine conspiracy?
Mark Probert
Surely I do. Vaccines are safe and effective. Nothing posted by Petey,
etc. have proven otherwise.
> None of which proves vaccine safety. The fact remains -- vaccines
> are unpredictable and dangerous
Mere flatulence from the Pontificating Blowhard.
Mark Probert
> On Nov 18, 9:10 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> Markieeeeee posted nothing but his usual harassing.
Hey, idiot, how would anyone know what I posted since you snipped it.
Man, are you dumb.
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 11:41 pm, Mike <M...@none.xxx> wrote:
>
> > > Peter B wrote:
> > > > "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:lJednURLTJCKuZ7W...@bt.com...
> > > >>http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1939575,00.html
>
> > > > A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
> > > > heart attack while playing basketball, and a ministry spokesperson told
> > > > the China Daily newspaper that the death was a "coincidental medical
> > > > incident" and not related to the vaccine. No details on the second
> > > > victim have been released thus far.
>
> > > I guess there are so many ostensibly healthy gym teachers suddenly dying
> > > on the job in China that sometimes their death may coincide with a
> > > vaccination. Nothing to see here, move on.- Hide quoted text -
Mark Probert
The proof is in the archives. Look it up. Idiot.
Mark Probert
yes, she was vaccinated to prevent getting a clue. Works 100%.
Mark Probert
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message
That is an incidence of 0.000000166666667%.
I think staying in bed all day is more dangerous.
>
> IOW's they wasted vaccines on two people who were going to die anyhow,
> like hulda.- Hide quoted text -
PeterB - Original
> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 23, 1:00 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >And so far you've refused to produce a single
> >> >citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
> >> >safety.
>
> >> I told you where to find thousands of papers. You refused to look.
>
> >What you did was provide a meaningless search query, as I
> >proved the other day. Remember?
>
> What I remember is that you said that something didn't exist.
I was referring to RCT data on vaccine effectiveness and safety. The
one such study I've seen was done a few decades ago, but it was very
small and surveilled just a few months. Your meaningless word string
search results, as much fun as you have doing them, prove nothing.
> I told
> you where to find thousands of instances. You refused to look.
Since you can't cite a particular study to back your false claims,
I'll take that as an admission that you can't.
PeterB - Original
Believing in your fairy tales certainly is. Two points:
1) Among 30 countries with childhood vaccination programs, the one
with the highest mortality rate for children under 5yrs of age is the
country with the largest number of childhood vaccines. That country
is the USA.
2) Childhood mortality rates in countries with the LEAST number of
vaccines in their early immunization schedules are those with the
LOWEST childhood mortality rates.
Jan Drew
Jan Drew
> On Nov 22, 10:46�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 9:10 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <...>
>
> > Markieeeeee posted nothing but his usual harassing.
>
> Hey, idiot, how would anyone know what I posted since you snipped it.
> Man, are you dumb.
Thanks for proving my point, harasser.
Who lied when you posted you read Torah everyday.
http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~dbh/parshas/acharei/99/
What is the secret of cleansing our hearts so that we may love? How
can we do it? The verses which precede and follow Vayikra 19:17
include commandments regarding speech. Preceding is the admonishment
against gossiping and following is the commandment to reprove evil.
Both these give a clue for how to cleanse our hearts of hatred. First,
we should not gossip about a person when we are angry. It is not wrong
to be angry, but when we gossip, it only allows the anger to grow and
it does absolutely nothing to confront the situation. In fact,
gossiping can be the epitome of self justifying cowardice. Secondly,
we must reprove our neighbor and confront him/her when he or she has
done something wrong to you. Clearly this takes tremendous amount of
courage and it also demands that you give people the benefit of the
doubt. When we confront them, you allow them the opportunity to know
what is going on with us. We are forced to be honest. Reproval clearly
is not meant to humiliate the person that you are angry with;
reproving someone causes us to be concerned with who they are and who
they could be. By sharing with them what has hurt you or someone else,
we give them the opportunity to grow. This, of course, is the biggest
challenge that Hashem could give to a human being who is angry.
However, through fulfilling Hashem's will we make possible a world of
kedushah - holiness - and ahavah - love.
Peter Bowditch
More than 7000 papers and you refuse to look.
Sad that.
(Cue Beagle's hole citation)
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
Once again you forgot.
* Mark Probert Mark_ProbertBLOC...@xxxxxxxxxxx alt parenting spanking
alt support
attn-deficit misc kids ... The burden is on YOU to prove you told the
truth.*
PeterB - Original
> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Nov 23, 1:54 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 23, 1:00 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> >> PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >And so far you've refused to produce a single
> >> >> >citation of published scientific data to make your case for vaccine
> >> >> >safety.
>
> >> >> I told you where to find thousands of papers. You refused to look.
>
> >> >What you did was provide a meaningless search query, as I
> >> >proved the other day. Remember?
>
> >> What I remember is that you said that something didn't exist.
>
> >I was referring to RCT data on vaccine effectiveness and safety. The
> >one such study I've seen was done a few decades ago, but it was very
> >small and surveilled just a few months. Your meaningless word string
> >search results, as much fun as you have doing them, prove nothing.
>
> >> I told
> >> you where to find thousands of instances. You refused to look.
>
> >Since you can't cite a particular study to back your false claims,
> >I'll take that as an admission that you can't.
>
> More than 7000 papers and you refuse to look.
Meaning you don't know what you're talking about, as usual. I've been
reading the available science for years, that's why I'm able to cite
the published science backing up what I say. You refuse to cite any
actual data because you can't, and your word string searches don't
amount to a hill of beans.
> Sad that.
>
> (Cue Beagle's hole citation)
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
> The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
Peter Bowditch
Like I said, sad that.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Peter B
"PeterB - Original" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a75ad48-5f5a-4498...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
===============================================
Petey the idiot never realized that illegals are the biggest cause and
people who travel back n forth across the border the next largest group
for incidences. Petey the idiot wants his agenda to remain supreme,
facts are secondary.
2) Childhood mortality rates in countries with the LEAST number of
vaccines in their early immunization schedules are those with the
LOWEST childhood mortality rates.
===============================================
As is cited and understood in the mind of Peter the idiot.
Peter the idiot probably buys into global warming also.
Vaccines are unpredictable and dangerous, period
==============================================
a statement of Peter the Idiot. Who has fallen prey to his "truisms"
Like
Racing is unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Driving the streets of LA is unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Eating Tartare is unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Eating Sushi is unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Eating Saffron is unpredictable and dangerous, period.
Petey the Idiot a shill shrieking words of ignorance, who thinks he
never makes mistakes with grammar, spelling or punctuation, but feels it
is his duty to follow in the footsteps of Janet Mae Stidd Drew being a
shrill school marm
Peter B
=====================================================
12 Million lived, 2 died from complications not related to the vaccine.
Far better odds than graduating from Janet Drews school with knowledge.
Peter B
On Nov 23, 10:12�am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:46�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 9:10 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <...>
>
> > Markieeeeee posted nothing but his usual harassing.
>
> Hey, idiot, how would anyone know what I posted since you snipped it.
> Man, are you dumb.
Thanks for proving my point, harasser.
Who lied when you posted you read Torah everyday.
==================================================
You?
I never saw that post, but I did see your posts where you were supposed
to change and be kind to everyone.
Why did you do that? Did the good Dr. tell you that you were going to
die shortly, but since you learned it was a mistake you went back to
your old ways? (and I DO mean *OLD* ways. LOL)
Jan Drew
> On Nov 22, 10:43�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 17, 9:19 pm, PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 17, 9:16 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Jan Drew" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:2d176624-131b-4322...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1939575,00.html
>
> > > > > A preliminary autopsy revealed that the teacher died of an apparent
> > > > > heart attack while playing basketball, and a ministry spokesperson told
> > > > > the China Daily newspaper that the death was a "coincidental medical
> > > > > incident" and not related to the vaccine. No details on the second
> > > > > victim have been released thus far.
>
> > > > None of which proves vaccine safety. The fact remains -- vaccines
> > > > are unpredictable and dangerous.
>
> > > Man, are you desperate.
>
> > Fact the facts, Mark S Probert.
>
> Surely I do. Vaccines are safe and effective.
lol. That's why they kill.
Nothing posted by Petey,
> etc. have proven otherwise.
>
> > None of which proves vaccine safety. � The fact remains -- vaccines
> > are unpredictable and dangerous
>
> Mere flatulence from the Pontificating Blowhard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Still calling names. Which means you lied when you posted you read
Torah everyday.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html
G-d's Justice System
When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system.
If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a
message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted;
there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion
the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad
in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds,
visit upon others daily.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338
In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting
for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"
The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight
extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100%
'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to
choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle
that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using
the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In
disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that
the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split
hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure
because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be
expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.
When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.
First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said.
When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using
clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that
Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his
words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it.
He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his
ideas in positive terms.
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
**When someone proffers an idea, it is their burden to prove it.***
Mark Probert
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
I an not responsibility for what my parents did.
Actually as an adult I have received very few vaccinations.. As soon
as I found the danger and side effects, I have NEVER had another.
That are neither safe, nor effective.
Jan Drew
But, but, you just posted:
Peter B
=========================================================
Just like Petey the Idiot, received the benefits, lived off the benefits
but denies the realities.
PS: Janet, better correct your spelling n punctuation, Petey the Idiot
is on the war path regarding the English language. ;)