[Komori vs. Heidelberg
Jason Armstrong - Barefoot Press
Heidelberg Speedmaster but are now seriously considering the Komori Lithrone
520 with a coater. Any thoughts on which to go with? We do lots of
newsletters, 2/2 stuff and some high quality 4-color pieces. We plan to
implement CIP3 into the workflow as well.
Also, we will be purchasing a new imagesetter (probably a Fuji 5040) and are
still trying to decide whether to go with a Harlequin RIP or the Rampage
system. Rampage is a lot more expensive, but are all the bells and whistles
worth the extra $$.
Comments and feedback appreciated.
Jason
Barefoot Press
323 West Martin Street
Raleigh, NC 27601
(919) 834-1164 or 800-229-1164
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getting for the name.
Before you commit to a purchase, take some time to check out the Shinohara 52
IV P + Coater, with console, CIP3 & Closed loop inking system. You scan every
100 sheets out of the press and the press will make ink key corrections to
insure the best quality output. 250 line screens are no problem, the dot looks
great.
Semi Auto Plate inserters make plate changes in under a minute. Automatic
blanket cleaners, ink roll clean up devices and semi auto perfecting changeover
also cut down makeready time.
This company has their own metal foundry to cast all frames, cylinders and
metal parts in house. The press will last 20 years with proper maintenance.
They are fanatics about quality, reliability and customer satisfaction. We are
located in California and have several satisfied users of these products, 52,
66 and 74 sizes. We have customers with 74 VP's with coaters and CIP3 and
Closed Loop systems in operation at present. There are 52 IV's in operation on
the East Coast with CIP3 you might check out. Good Luck whatever decision you
make.
Jim (818) 727-7417
Steve
If you want it to last and be serviced well - go with Heidelberg. They are
pricey but built to last. Just ask you salesman(if your in the southeast)
how much longer Tom Cummings will be the service manager - could make a
difference in how well your machine gets serviced. jmho
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The durability goes to Heidelberg.
The price goes to Komori.
But the best thing about a Heidy is THEY HOLD THEIR VALUE!
Ldrpdx
Jason,
While you're in the market for a new offset press, you should take a serious
look at the Shinohara line of offset presses. For instance,
the Shinohara Multicolor 74 is one of (I believe) only 2 presses on the market
that come in full reverse out 23"x29". The 23"x29"
version can print 6-up, 8-1/2"x11" sheets. (Of course, it also comes in 20x29"
as well). The multicolor 74 presses are configurable to 4,
5, and 6 colors.
For more information about the Shinohara presses, you can visit our Website at
http://www.LDR.com. Click on Shinohara 74 graphic,
or go to the products page and scroll down to the Shinohara heading. The
Website does not list all the Shinohara line that we carrry.
For instance, the presses also come in models 52, and 66, as well as 74.
Shinohara supports the CIP3 print production format. You can integrate it quite
nicely into a CTP or CTF (computer to film) scenario. If
you're interested in CTP, this is the way to go. In this scenario, you can
integrate with Fusion DFE (digital front end) to get a
commercial-duty CTP system that is state of the art (Fusion DFE uses Harlequin
RIP by the way).
Call 1-800-735-5855 and ask for Bob Sowers or John Porter, who know much more
about it than I do. Or you can ask to speak with a
fellow named Larry Hart, who is very knowledgeable.
LDR is the exlusive distributor of the Shinohara presses in Oregon and
Washington states, as well as in Western Canada and some
parts of Los Angeles.
--
Richard Robinson
Web Administrator
Litho Development & Research
rich...@LDR.com
503-255-5800 x172
CvanO
No, the best thing is THEY HOLD THEIR COLOR!
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electric/electronics portion.
Pre-CPTronic Heidelberg is the best of all, no question.
All Heidelberg models are easy to repair, just about all spare parts are
available same day from Heidelberg parts dept.
I think Heidelberg is designed user friendly and built beautifully.
The other hand Komori parts departments do not have every thing.
Komori electric/electronics are more durable than both Pre-CPTrornic and
post-CPTronic in general.
Komori Lithron has back-up system for register and ink fountain controls just in
case main system broke down.
And good local electricians can troubleshoot Komori, but CPTronic is very
difficult for them, needs good factory training.
So if you are far away from Heidelberg service depot, you must wait some time
for tech to arrive.
But if you have CPTronic spare parts in hand, Heidelberg Hotline service guides
you solve your trouble any time of the day.
Customer care policy is excellent.
I think this is one of reasons Heidelberg keeps staying on top, and customers
pay extra dollar to buy Heidelberg.
If Komori or Mitsubishi make major improvements in customer care, they will be
real threat to Heidelberg.
Some printing plants have both Komori and heidelberg presses, they know the
difference between two presses.
Shigeru Muto
Imagep
the parts from Heidelberg.
Scott
Image Printing of SC, Inc.