Photo ID for voting is MANDATORY in Mexico

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

http://www.marionstar.com/usatoday/article/52779410?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s

Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture
1:17 AM, Jan. 25, 2012 | Comments
MEXICO CITY (USA TODAY) — Office worker Ana Martínez lined up at 7
a.m. on a recent Sunday to renew her voter credential, a document
required at a polling station to vote.

But voting was not the main reason she was getting it. The free photo
ID issued by the Federal Electoral Institute had become the accepted
way to prove one's identity — and is a one-card way to open a bank
account, board an airplane and buy beer.

National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.

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[don Gabacho]

On Jan 25, 11:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

Moreover, Mexicans abroad must return to Mexico to vote.

[Mrs Irish Mike]

On Jan 25, 8:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

Yeah! We should be more like Mexico. New (Nuevo?) child care plan:
Chicklets!

[Ramon F Herrera]

Falso!.

http://tinyurl.com/7asv5le

http://tinyurl.com/88vuq67

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

The high tech "cedula" used by Mexican voters was introduced in the
90s. Polaroid won the contract, the biggest in its history. They
delivered 100 million electoral IDs, at $1 each.

They had a Polaroid employee (a gringo kid who had lived in Puerto
Rico) in charge of translating the voluminous proposal. The project
was a mess, so they fired him and hired me. I was in charge of the
translating the documentation and setting up servers between Cambridge
and Cuidad de Mexico. I had a secret weapon: e-mail, which was brand-
new. Located and hired a bunch of Latino MIT students to help me.

As a way of thanking us (we spent several sleepless nights) they
overpaid us, took us to a fancy restaurant and a year later, in the
anniversary of the project, they feted us again. I became friend of
the executive in charge (Jim Marckini) and went in trips in his
airplane to Martha's vineyard and other places.

We were quite busy inventing the Internet (thanks, Al!!!) those days.

Fun days.

-Ramon

[SaPeIsMa]

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" <xeto...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:4c788e5d-9fce-45cc...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

The Canadians have had a Citizenship Card for decades.
Although it is not used by most for general ID purposes

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jan 25, 2:45 pm, Ramon F Herrera <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:

> They had a gringo in charge of translating.The project

> was a mess, so they fired him and hired me.

I believe his last name was Gabacho.

-RFH

[a2...@altavista.net]

On Jan 25, 2:45 pm, Ramon F Herrera <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:

That's odd. I thought DARPA "invented" Internet

[Mr. Malthus]

In article
<4c788e5d-9fce-45cc...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
> being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
> illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.

The problem is if it is refused. For example, if a man in Missouri loses
his driver's license for not paying back child support for some bastard
he cannot possibly have fathered (but he was too stupid not to divorce
the bitch decades ago and she kept right on breeding) he may not be able
to get a photo ID.

The above example is NOT hypothetical.

[Naughtius]

On Jan 25, 9:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

THUS SPAKE Speedy Loves Car Crashes: "Photo ID for voting is MANDATORY
in Mexico"

So Fucking WHAT?

Naughtius "Ask Me How Much Of A FUCK I Give" Maximus

[Red Cloud]

Ramon Fruitcake Herrera can jump back to Mexico and participate
Mexican election process. No Mexican official knows Ramon Fruitcake
is not real Mexican citizen. How would they know? He looks like a
Mexican, Guatemalan, Honduran,
El Salvadorian or looks like any Hispanic citizenry. Just get a
faked ID, Ramon
Fruitcake can be any fruitcake citizen in any Hispanic nation. He is
being born
playing any Hispanic citizenry character cuz they all look fucking
resemble.

[Bill Graham]

Perhaps not, but it certainly isn't respectful of the only innocent party
involved. Namely, the child, who has no choice in the matter at all.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Nope, they sponsored it (gave us the grants, paid the T1s), but we
implemented it.

It was called ARPA then.

Here's some tutorial info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Gore_and_information_technology

Here's a book:

http://tinyurl.com/7e3ofmv

Do you think DARPA went to Venezuela and Colombia (2 countries where I
was involved)? Do you think DARPA appointed me Venezuela's Internet
Tzar? Then there are newsgroups such as soc.culture.venezuela (not
invented by DARPA!) through which we invented social networks.

We used the net to get rid of a president 20 years (Venezuela's Nixon,
forced to resign) before they said that Egypt's was the first Facebook-
based revolution.

-Ramon Internet/Usenet Pioneer along with a cast of thousands

[Kent Wills]

Not so, my friend. They can vote absentee ballot.

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I think Ramon was trying to be funny.

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[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jan 25, 8:52 pm, "Mr. Malthus" <malthus...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article
> <4c788e5d-9fce-45cc-a04b-3e11d48bd...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,

>  "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>

>  <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
> > being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
> > illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.
>
> The problem is if it is refused. For example, if a man in Missouri loses
> his driver's license for not paying back child support for some bastard
> he cannot possibly have fathered (but he was too stupid not to divorce
> the bitch decades ago and she kept right on breeding) he may not be able
> to get a photo ID.
>
> The above example is NOT hypothetical.

Hmm...first time I have heard of a driver's license being used for
birth control.

Did you slip it on or did she hold between her knees?

TMT

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jan 26, 4:52 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:35:21 -0800 (PST), don Gabacho
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 25, 11:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.marionstar.com/usatoday/article/52779410?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s
>
> >> Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture
> >> 1:17 AM, Jan. 25, 2012  |  Comments
> >> MEXICO CITY (USA TODAY) — Office worker Ana Martínez lined up at 7
> >> a.m. on a recent Sunday to renew her voter credential, a document
> >> required at a polling station to vote.
>
> >> But voting was not the main reason she was getting it. The free photo
> >> ID issued by the Federal Electoral Institute had become the accepted
> >> way to prove one's identity — and is a one-card way to open a bank
> >> account, board an airplane and buy beer.
>
> >> National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
> >> being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
> >> illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.
>
> >> snip
>

> >Moreover, Mexicans abroad must return to Mexico to vote.
>
> Not so, my friend.  They can vote absentee ballot.

Don Gazpacho claims to know Spanish. After spending 20 years in
Mexico, he doesn't even know the meaning of the term "La Raza" or
English terms like "announce" or "class" for that matter.

-Ramon

[SaPeIsMa]

<a2...@altavista.net> wrote in message
news:34eae879-98a9-479f...@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

Maybe ramone thinks he's al gore.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jan 25, 10:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

Of course they need it...one has to prevent all the illegal gringos
from the United States from trying to vote.

TMT

[Ramon F Herrera]

Here's some tutorial info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Gore_and_information_technology

Here's a book:

http://tinyurl.com/7e3ofmv

Do you think DARPA went to Venezuela and Colombia (2 countries where I
was involved)? Do you think DARPA appointed me Venezuela's Internet
Tzar? Then there are newsgroups such as soc.culture.venezuela (not
invented by DARPA!) through which we invented social networks.

We used the net to get rid of a president (Venezuela's Nixon, forced
to resign) 20 years before they said that Egypt's was the first
Facebook-based revolution.

As usual, you baggers/haters are a bunch of ingrates.

[betweentheeyes]

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in
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<snip>
Gun group numb nuts

[Scout]

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" <xeto...@yahoo.com>

wrote in message
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>
>

ID that conforms to the Real ID act issued by the states does exactly the
same thing.

[Scout]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:facde928dfb2e393...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

Then I suggest that he pay the child support he owes, or take the issue to
court to get his support overturned on the grounds that it's not his child.

[a2...@altavista.net]

> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Gore_and_information_tec...

>
> Here's a book:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7e3ofmv
>
> Do you think DARPA went to Venezuela and Colombia (2 countries where I
> was involved)? Do you think DARPA appointed me Venezuela's Internet
> Tzar? Then there are newsgroups such as soc.culture.venezuela (not
> invented by DARPA!) through which we invented social networks.
>
> We used the net to get rid of a president 20 years (Venezuela's Nixon,
> forced to resign) before they said that Egypt's was the first Facebook-
> based revolution.
>
> -Ramon Internet/Usenet Pioneer along with a cast of thousands

Nope. DARPA "invented" the so-called internet. The network itself was
called "ARPAnet"

soc.culture.venezuela won't exist without the internet. And so on

[Ramon F Herrera]

No, they did not. Then again, it depends on the meaning of the term
"invent". They sponsored the research and development. No employee of
ARPA invented anything. They receive proposals and decide to fund
some. Sometimes, they request proposals.

> The network itself was
> called "ARPAnet"

That was at the time the agency was named ARPA and the net
"ARPAnet" (duh!). When the agency name was changed to DARPA, in a memo/
journal we received at MIT, they told us that the preferred name was
"DARPA Internet", as opposed to "DARPAnet".

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/ARPA

Piece of advice: next time, Google before you post.

> soc.culture.venezuela won't exist without the internet.

False! The Usenet existed many years before the Internet, though UUCP,
BITNET, etc. When the NNTP protocol was invented we began sending
Usenet newsgroups through the net via TCP/IP, which replaced Unix-to-
Unix copy through modems.

My point is that everybody who was involved is entitled to say: "It is
true that Al Gore invented the Internet AND so did I!".

Too bad we cannot prevent ingrate baggers from using it.

-Ramon

[f. barnes]

On Jan 25, 10:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.marionstar.com/usatoday/article/52779410?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s

So, minorities and the old are excluded from voting in Mexico? We all
know that they are likely not to bother to get that ID card.

[Mr. Malthus]

In article <jfqttk$18q$1...@dont-email.me>,

And if he is homeless and cannot do that, what should he do to get a
photo ID so he can vote? Let me know and I'll get the info to him right
away.

By the way, his whore wife and her bastards got plenty of welfare that
is not available for HIM.

I'm just saying...

[Scout]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:072988fb5fe12723...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

Then again, he should appear in court and explain his situation.

Simply blowing off his responsibilities and ignoring the legal mandate is
NOT the proper solution.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jan 26, 10:31 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 10:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://www.marionstar.com/usatoday/article/52779410?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s
>

> So, minorities and the old are excluded from voting
> in Mexico?  We all know that they are likely not to bother
> to get that ID card.

(1) The card is free, easily available and required for everything. In
Venezuela, it is obligatory to carry it ("cedula de identidad") with
you at all times, in theory.

(2) What do you mean "minorities"? What on earth are you talking
about? There are no minorities in Latin America. That's the way the US
is headed. Whether we like it or not is inconsequential.

-Ramon

[Singanas]

Don Ramon,

OMG you should know that Mexico is packed with minorities. There are
probably a dozen different Indian languages, and there is even a
negroid
minority descended from black immigrants. As for your nemesis Don
Gazpacho, he may be one and the same as the poster called Don Gabacho.
I am calling you Don Ramon in honor of a famous Cuban song called
"Como esta my conunco, Don Ramon ?"

Cheers, Singanas
~~~~~~~~

[f. barnes]

On Jan 27, 1:27 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

> -Ramos

So, unlike in South Carolina and other US states, the elderly in Latin
America have no problem getting ID cards. Is transportation easier,
are there better roads, or what?

[Mr. Malthus]

In article <s8ednYL2Y-0mjrzS...@giganews.com>,

"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:


> > The above example is NOT hypothetical.
>
> Perhaps not, but it certainly isn't respectful of the only innocent party
> involved. Namely, the child, who has no choice in the matter at all.

You are correct. I do meet bastards whom I respect, but not often.

On the other hand, the odds are if the child is male he will breed a
couple times before flunking high school and going to jail; and if it is
female she will do the babymomma gig ASAP then flunk high school, and
neither of them will ever see that I disrespected them on USENET or ever
read a sentence this long.

Poor bastards....

Their suffering is preventable. China is the way and the light.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

They go in mobile offices to the most remote populations in
"Cedulation Programs". Just before the elections, it was hard to get
my passport renewed because Chavez had ordered all the Identification
personnel to go to the barrios, in motor homes (with a huge picture of
the basterd on the side).

It is essentially impossible not to have a cedula in Venezuela. It is
required for everything. When I was a child in the 60s-70s, the age to
get it was 18 (voting age and driving age). However, the Ministerio de
Educacion just purchased one of them computers (IBM mainframe) and the
programmers said that every student needed a unique number. They said:
"Why come up with a new unique number when we have the cedula already?
Let's get all the kids cedulated!"

We kids were thrilled, felt instantaneously grown up. It was almost
like being allowed to drive or vote at 10.

-Ramon

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Jan 26, 9:31 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> So, minorities and the old are excluded from voting in Mexico?  We all
> know that they are likely not to bother to get that ID card.

That's their choice. No one is excluding them.

[Bill Graham]

When I was in grammar school, a family moved into town with a kid that was
in my class. His name was Donald Warner. He was the hardest working kid I
ever knew. He ran faster than everyone else, studied harder, and immediately
took his position at the top of the class. I went to his house once. (he
lived a block and a half away from me.) His house had no furniture. There
was a huge hole in the middle of the living room floor, and you could see
the ground beneath the house through it. Both of his parents were
alcoholics, and they sat at the kitchen table (the only furniture in the
house) and drank the whole time I was there. Don had four older brothers.
They all were valdictorians of their high school graduation class, and all
got scholarships to college. Don was well on his way to doing the same. They
only lived there for about one year, and then moved away. so I have no idea
whatever happened to Don. But this family taught me to never write anyone
off, reguardless of his/her living circumstances. How these five boys were
able to raise themselves will always be a mystery to me.

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Jan 27, 5:10 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mr. Malthus wrote:

> > In article <s8ednYL2Y-0mjrzSnZ2dnUVZ5hadn...@giganews.com>,

> able to raise themselves will always be a mystery to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That shows how stupid you are. One case doesn't prove anything, you
moron. The atlantic has been crossed in a rowboat but so what?

[f. barnes]

On Jan 27, 12:25 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

But they find it more difficult to get an ID, therefore requiring an
ID is discriminatory. Anyway that's what the ACLU tells us in the
states. And the ACLU would not lie to further their agenda.

[Gordon Burditt]

>> National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
>> being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
>> illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.
>
> The problem is if it is refused. For example, if a man in Missouri loses
> his driver's license for not paying back child support for some bastard
> he cannot possibly have fathered (but he was too stupid not to divorce
> the bitch decades ago and she kept right on breeding) he may not be able
> to get a photo ID.

Please explain WHY he could not get a (non-driving) photo ID.
Denying that because of back child support seems like a sure-fire
way to make sure he is never able to pay it.

Does Missouri law say that the man losing his driver's license
because of back child support WILL be denied a photo ID, MAY be
denied a photo ID, or is that not settled law? Or did this guy
just not think of applying for photo ID after losing his license?

> The above example is NOT hypothetical.

States may need to make some changes also. If the states are going
to use a photo ID for voting purposes, then they can't refuse to
give one to someone eligible to vote if they can prove that. Existing
Texas procedures for issuing non-driving IDs might have some problems
for the homeless (they won't accept a PO Box as an address, for one
thing).

At some point it might be necessary to *SEPARATELY* indicate on a
driver's license/non-driving photo ID different items like:

- This person is a US citizen.
- This person is not a US citizen but is allowed to be in the USA
permanently because ____________.
- This person has a driver's license.
- This person is eligible to vote. (It need not deal with which specific
town they are registered in, but it would try to keep the convicted felons
and non-citizens out).
- This person is old enough to buy alcohol. [*]
- This person is old enough to enter a bar. [*]
- This person is old enough to exit a bar. [*]
- This person is old enough to work in a bar selling alcohol. [*]
[*] I'm sure someone is going to try to deny these to people convicted
of DUI and killing someone while DUI. I also recall hearing
about some ridiculous situation where a young bartender/bar
owner could sell alcohol but not buy it, and could not enter
the section of the bar where the customers vomited to clean it
up, older employees had to do that.

- This person is a registered sex offender.
- This person is a deadbeat parent.
- This person is a terrorist (so what's he doing out of jail)?
- This person is permitted to work in the USA.
- This person is an organ donor.
- This person has a sex offender learner's permit.
- This person is a killer drunk (That is, they killed someone while
driving DUI).

States may also have to deal with details like a *suspended* license
still being good for voting. I see nothing wrong with forcing
people to turn in their licenses for amendment in situations like
being convicted of a felony or sex offense, being found delinquent
on child support, a DUI conviction, and various immigration status
changes such as becoming a citizen or being allowed to work in the
USA.

Our deadbeat parent in Missouri might not like presenting his photo
ID that loudly proclaims him to be a deadbeat parent and registered
sex offender every time he votes or tries to cash a check, but he
will still be able to vote.

[Mr. Malthus]

In article
<a829c030-8ec8-4fdf...@j15g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> That shows how stupid you are. One case doesn't prove anything, you
> moron. The atlantic has been crossed in a rowboat but so what?

Why an ad hominem attack on a man who admires people who pulled
themselves out of adversity?

I bet you are a Christian. So fuck Jesus.

[Mr. Malthus]

In article
<08f75e3d-7823-418d...@3g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

> (2) What do you mean "minorities"? What on earth are you talking
> about? There are no minorities in Latin America. That's the way the US
> is headed. Whether we like it or not is inconsequential.

That is the silliest thing I ever knew you to say.

Of COURSE there are minorities in South America!!

Latin America is filled with minorities, and the most disenfranchised of
all are those who are not culturally europeanized. This is an excellent
topic of discussion.

I would point out:

*the Chinese communities in places like Havana and Kingston.
*the Welsh populations in places like Chubut.
*the Nahua and other non-Spanish in Mexico.

How do Latin American countries treat their natives who don't speak the
national state language? How do Latin American countries treat illegal
aliens?

What is the result of OUTWARD emigration on Mexico? What does it do to a
country to make its primary export its own disenfranchised?

Oh yes, much to discuss. I changed the topic header. What fun.

Erwarte ungeduldig Deine Antwort.

[Kent Wills]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:22:40 -0800 (PST), "Criminal Drivers Murder

35,000 Americans a Year" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill didn't claim it proved anything, simpleton.
Put down the 40oz and re-read what Bill wrote when you are no
longer seeing double.

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[Mr. Malthus]

In article <r66dnXBGgOBHob7S...@giganews.com>,

My admiration for their successes is unbounded.

I can only speculate there was a high IQ gene that they inherited. Very
rare in the bastard community, but not zero.

Sadly, they are profoundly exceptional. Still, I thank you for bringing
up the fact that bastardy can be overcome. And that nobody is forced to
be trash just because his/her parents are trash.

[Gray Guest]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in news:08f75e3d-7823-418d-
9440-27b...@3g2000pbd.googlegroups.com:

You really are beyond stupid.

Blacks in Mexico: A Forgotten Minority
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1922192,00.html

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Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

Amazing how the liberals find discrimination in every little thing
minorities dislike, but see nothing discriminatory about the brazen
racism of affirmative action!!

[Bill Graham]

The only thing lacking in Don seemed to be a sense of humor. He didn't enjoy
life very much. Everything he did was very serious and aimed at being better
than everyone else, like it was a matter of life or death to be the best. I
don't believe I ever saw him smile, much less laugh.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Funny how you do exactly that which you accuse the OP of doing
Pot -> Kettle -> Black

[Robert not Roberto]

"Ramon F Herrera" wrote in message
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On Jan 26, 4:52 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:35:21 -0800 (PST), don Gabacho
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 25, 11:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.marionstar.com/usatoday/article/52779410?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s
>

> >> Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture
> >> 1:17 AM, Jan. 25, 2012 | Comments
> >> MEXICO CITY (USA TODAY) — Office worker Ana Martínez lined up at 7
> >> a.m. on a recent Sunday to renew her voter credential, a document
> >> required at a polling station to vote.
>
> >> But voting was not the main reason she was getting it. The free photo
> >> ID issued by the Federal Electoral Institute had become the accepted
> >> way to prove one's identity — and is a one-card way to open a bank
> >> account, board an airplane and buy beer.
>

> >> National IDs for voting, or proving citizenship, is an idea that is
> >> being floated in the United States to crack down on voter fraud,
> >> illegal immigration and foreign terrorists.
>

> >> snip
>

> >Moreover, Mexicans abroad must return to Mexico to vote.
>
> Not so, my friend. They can vote absentee ballot.

Don Gazpacho claims to know Spanish. After spending 20 years in
Mexico, he doesn't even know the meaning of the term "La Raza" or
English terms like "announce" or "class" for that matter.

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La Raza = The Race

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Feb 3, 1:56 pm, "Robert not Roberto" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F Herrera"  wrote in messagenews:888f8bde-17f1-40b9...@lr19g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

That is YOUR translation. The one used by people who don't know
Spanish or pretend not to know it.

If I were your professor/teacher you would flunk.

-Ramon