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Antares 531

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Feb 26, 2012, 10:58:22 AM2/26/12
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Starting Friday evening, 2/24/12, and continuing throughout the day
Saturday, 2/25/12, I took many BG readings to see if I could get a
better understanding of my Dawn Effect BG spike and my postprandial
follow ups. Here are the results. Please review this info and tell me
if you recognize any patterns that I need to do some further study on.
Also, please remember that I'm taking three 200 mg capsules of Alpha
Lipoic Acid, one with each meal, and three 200 mg capsules of GTF
Chromium Polynicotinate, one with each meal. Also, I'm taking two
METANX capsules per day one each morning and one each evening, as
prescribed by my doctor.

Friday evening meal @ 6:35 PM - lettuce wrapped hamburger w/no bun.

Friday bedtime snack @ 9:00 PM - small hand full of cheese curd
chunks.

Friday evening bedtime BG 112 mg/dL, taken at 9:05 PM.

Night time BG 119, taken at 3:10 AM Saturday morning

Saturday morning fasting BG 123 mg/dL @ 6:21 AM, a few minutes after
waking up.

Saturday Breakfast- started eating @ 6:45 AM - Baked ham w/2 eggs over
medium. Cottage cheese on lettuce. 2 medium sized white flour biscuits
with white flour gravy. Black coffee.

1.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 117 mg/dL @ 8:15 AM.

One mile jog/walk @ 8:30-8:50 AM.

2.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 136 mg/dL @ 9:16 AM.

3.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 143 mg/dL @ 10:15 AM.

3.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 95 mg/dL @ 11:19 AM.

4.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 103 mg/dL @ 12:07 PM.

Lunch @ 12:15 PM. Spring salad w/turkey pastrami, beef cheddar &
American cheese, kalamati olives, mushrooms, tomatoes, celery w/cream
cheese. 2 oz. red wine.

1.5 hours after starting lunch BG 126 mg/dL @ 1:15 PM.

2.5 hours after starting lunch BG 102 mg/dL @ 2:16 PM.

3.5 hours after starting lunch BG 111 mg/dL @ 3:15 PM.

4.5 hours after starting lunch BG 102 mg/dL @ 4:15 PM.

5.5 hours after starting lunch BG 95 mg/dL @ 5:15 PM.

One pint of whole milk with Almased protein powder @ 5:16 PM.

1 hour after starting supper BG 141 mg/dL @ 6:15 PM.

2 hours after starting supper BG 123 mg/dL @ 7:15 PM.

3 hours after starting supper BG 108 mg/dL @ 8:15 PM.

4 hours after starting supper BG 100 mg/dL @ 9:15 PM.

willbill

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Feb 26, 2012, 12:59:45 PM2/26/12
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Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:58:22 -0600, Antares 531 wrote:

> Saturday 123 mg/dL @ 6:21 AM
> 117 mg/dL @ 8:15 AM.
> 136 mg/dL @ 9:16 AM.
> 143 mg/dL @ 10:15 AM.
> 95 mg/dL @ 11:19 AM.
> 103 mg/dL @ 12:07 PM.
> 126 mg/dL @ 1:15 PM.
> 102 mg/dL @ 2:16 PM.
> 111 mg/dL @ 3:15 PM.
> 102 mg/dL @ 4:15 PM.
> 95 mg/dL @ 5:15 PM.
> 141 mg/dL @ 6:15 PM.
> 123 mg/dL @ 7:15 PM.
> 108 mg/dL @ 8:15 PM.
> 100 mg/dL @ 9:15 PM.

It's been awhile since I've done 15 tests
in one day.

Looks like you're doing OK. :)

But don't let it go to your head.

You're a t2, correct?

Do you use insulin?

FWIW t1 numbers vary a lot,
and I've used insulin for 54 years.

Here are my numbers for last 4 days:

Wed. 174 @ 5:00 AM
108 @ 10:30 AM
104 @ 2:40 PM

Thu. 109 @ 12:30 PM
109 @ 3:00 PM

Fri. 157 @ 4:40 AM
61 @ noon
338 @ 1:10 AM

Sat. 299 @ 5:05 AM
179 @ 9:25 AM
147 @ 12:15 PM

Bill t1 since '57.

W. Baker

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Feb 26, 2012, 1:44:10 PM2/26/12
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Antares 531 <gordonl...@swbell.net> wrote:
will interleaf

: Starting Friday evening, 2/24/12, and continuing throughout the day
: Saturday, 2/25/12, I took many BG readings to see if I could get a
: better understanding of my Dawn Effect BG spike and my postprandial
: follow ups. Here are the results. Please review this info and tell me
: if you recognize any patterns that I need to do some further study on.
: Also, please remember that I'm taking three 200 mg capsules of Alpha
: Lipoic Acid, one with each meal, and three 200 mg capsules of GTF
: Chromium Polynicotinate, one with each meal. Also, I'm taking two
: METANX capsules per day one each morning and one each evening, as
: prescribed by my doctor.

So you have stopped taking ht 1/2mg Glimperide. Try adding that back.


: Friday evening meal @ 6:35 PM - lettuce wrapped hamburger w/no bun.

: Friday bedtime snack @ 9:00 PM - small hand full of cheese curd
: chunks.

: Friday evening bedtime BG 112 mg/dL, taken at 9:05 PM.

: Night time BG 119, taken at 3:10 AM Saturday morning

: Saturday morning fasting BG 123 mg/dL @ 6:21 AM, a few minutes after
: waking up.

: Saturday Breakfast- started eating @ 6:45 AM - Baked ham w/2 eggs over
: medium. Cottage cheese on lettuce. 2 medium sized white flour biscuits
: with white flour gravy. Black coffee.

: 1.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 117 mg/dL @ 8:15 AM.

: One mile jog/walk @ 8:30-8:50 AM.

: 2.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 136 mg/dL @ 9:16 AM.

: 3.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 143 mg/dL @ 10:15 AM.

: 3.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 95 mg/dL @ 11:19 AM.

It took you more than 3.5 hours(not your typo above, shoudl be 4..5 hrs
The size and fat content of the breakfast probably is the cause of the
delayed highs. Try cutting back on he size and carb amout at breakfast.

: 4.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 103 mg/dL @ 12:07 PM.

: Lunch @ 12:15 PM. Spring salad w/turkey pastrami, beef cheddar &
: American cheese, kalamati olives, mushrooms, tomatoes, celery w/cream
: cheese. 2 oz. red wine.

: 1.5 hours after starting lunch BG 126 mg/dL @ 1:15 PM.

: 2.5 hours after starting lunch BG 102 mg/dL @ 2:16 PM.

: 3.5 hours after starting lunch BG 111 mg/dL @ 3:15 PM.

: 4.5 hours after starting lunch BG 102 mg/dL @ 4:15 PM.

: 5.5 hours after starting lunch BG 95 mg/dL @ 5:15 PM.

Good numbers after lunch

: One pint of whole milk with Almased protein powder @ 5:16 PM.

Was this your wholr dinner? - Your numbers pp are fine, just not much
nourishing, low carb food there. why not have some los carb veggies,
either cooked or salad with some protien, kind of like you lunch in place
of the milk with protein powder?


: 1 hour after starting supper BG 141 mg/dL @ 6:15 PM.

: 2 hours after starting supper BG 123 mg/dL @ 7:15 PM.

: 3 hours after starting supper BG 108 mg/dL @ 8:15 PM.

: 4 hours after starting supper BG 100 mg/dL @ 9:15 PM.


Wendy

















































Antares 531

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Feb 26, 2012, 3:00:41 PM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:44:10 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wba...@panix.com> wrote:

>Antares 531 <gordonl...@swbell.net> wrote:
> will interleaf
>
>: Starting Friday evening, 2/24/12, and continuing throughout the day
>: Saturday, 2/25/12, I took many BG readings to see if I could get a
>: better understanding of my Dawn Effect BG spike and my postprandial
>: follow ups. Here are the results. Please review this info and tell me
>: if you recognize any patterns that I need to do some further study on.
>: Also, please remember that I'm taking three 200 mg capsules of Alpha
>: Lipoic Acid, one with each meal, and three 200 mg capsules of GTF
>: Chromium Polynicotinate, one with each meal. Also, I'm taking two
>: METANX capsules per day one each morning and one each evening, as
>: prescribed by my doctor.
>
>So you have stopped taking ht 1/2mg Glimperide. Try adding that back.
>
My doctor took me of that prescription. He was concerned that it might
cause me to go hypoglycemic and have some serious problems from
this...maybe even death.

Antares 531

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Feb 26, 2012, 3:15:55 PM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:59:45 -0600, willbill <post...@postonNG.net>
wrote:

>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:58:22 -0600, Antares 531 wrote:
>
>> Saturday 123 mg/dL @ 6:21 AM
>> 117 mg/dL @ 8:15 AM.
>> 136 mg/dL @ 9:16 AM.
>> 143 mg/dL @ 10:15 AM.
>> 95 mg/dL @ 11:19 AM.
>> 103 mg/dL @ 12:07 PM.
>> 126 mg/dL @ 1:15 PM.
>> 102 mg/dL @ 2:16 PM.
>> 111 mg/dL @ 3:15 PM.
>> 102 mg/dL @ 4:15 PM.
>> 95 mg/dL @ 5:15 PM.
>> 141 mg/dL @ 6:15 PM.
>> 123 mg/dL @ 7:15 PM.
>> 108 mg/dL @ 8:15 PM.
>> 100 mg/dL @ 9:15 PM.
>
>It's been awhile since I've done 15 tests
>in one day.
>
>Looks like you're doing OK. :)
>
>But don't let it go to your head.
>
>You're a t2, correct?
>
My doctor persists in referring to me as pre-diabetic, but he points
out that I could become full blown type 2 if I don't control my diet
and exercise, very closely.
>
>Do you use insulin?
>
No, I've never used insulin. My doctor tells me that I'm not insulin
deficient, but am insulin resistant.
>
>FWIW t1 numbers vary a lot,
>and I've used insulin for 54 years.
>
>Here are my numbers for last 4 days:
>
>Wed. 174 @ 5:00 AM
>108 @ 10:30 AM
>104 @ 2:40 PM
>
>Thu. 109 @ 12:30 PM
>109 @ 3:00 PM
>
>Fri. 157 @ 4:40 AM
>61 @ noon
>338 @ 1:10 AM
>
>Sat. 299 @ 5:05 AM
>179 @ 9:25 AM
>147 @ 12:15 PM
>
>Bill t1 since '57.
>
Bill, your early morning BG readings look like they are following the
same kind of spike that I'm seeing with mine. But, with no meds or
insulin injections at all, my BG readings usually drop back to an
acceptable range by mid morning, an hour and a half or so after
breakfast.

The thing that really baffles me is that I can eat a humongous
breakfast with LOTS of fast carbs such as white flour biscuits and
white gravy, but this doesn't give me a BG spike even after my early
morning fasting BG reading was in the 140 to 150 mg/dL range.

I'm increasingly convinced that there is some kind of synergistic
process going on here but I can't figure it out.

Gordon

Antares 531

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Feb 26, 2012, 3:24:50 PM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:44:10 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wba...@panix.com> wrote:

Okay, I guess I got my tongue over my eye teeth and couldn't see what
I was saying. Oh, well, I never have been a premium class typist.

The problem I'm experiencing has to do with an unexplainable "Dawn
Effect" high after fasting overnight and taking a reading as soon as
possible after I wake up. This "Dawn Effect" high drops back down
within an hour or so after breakfast and by mid-morning my BG readings
are well within the range my doctor calls acceptable.

Unless you're saying that my fatty, high carb breakfast is causing a
delayed BG spike nearly 24 hours later, I can't see how this fat
induced BG spike idea fits into my situation.

W. Baker

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Feb 26, 2012, 4:56:12 PM2/26/12
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Antares 531 <gordonl...@swbell.net> wrote:
: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:44:10 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: <wba...@panix.com> wrote:

: >Antares 531 <gordonl...@swbell.net> wrote:
: > will interleaf
: >So you have stopped taking ht 1/2mg Glimperide. Try adding that back.
I am looking at your morning numbers as morning numbers and they are not
behaving well. Nothing to do with 24 hours later. Notice that you realy
didn't drop back after breakfast, but continued to climb for abou t 4
hours before the numbers stareted going down. thatt means that you were,
at 4 hours where you would be OK at abpit 1 hour after breakfast , Many of
s here consider that 140 at one hour and 120 at 2 hours is where you
should be to be avoiding problems. You breakfast has too much of the
combo of fat and carbs so the carbe don't start pushing your bgs up until
after you 1.5 testing norm. this hourly test reveals that. I amnot
saying anything about your FBG as a result of this breakfast, just about
your morning numbers that, even with some exercise, continued to rise for
someplace around 3.5-4 hours. this is too high too long.

: Unless you're
saying that my fatty, high carb breakfast is causing
a : delayed BG spike nearly 24 hours later, I can't see how this fat
: induced BG spike idea fits into my situation.
: >
: >: 4.5 hours after starting breakfast BG 103 mg/dL @ 12:07 PM

Wendy

Antares 531

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Feb 26, 2012, 5:36:43 PM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
I see your point. I should try this again but go with a more moderate
breakfast. I was trying to see how much the high carb breakfast would
bump my BG readings up.

Gordon

Julie Bove

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Feb 27, 2012, 2:55:09 AM2/27/12
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Julie Bove

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Feb 27, 2012, 2:57:18 AM2/27/12
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Sorry for the top post and maybe a blank post but there is so much on this
post my eyes went buggy trying to snip it.

I don't think you have proven that you are having high BG in the morning.
To do that you'd have to show what your numbers were before bed and then
show a good 40 to 60 or more (IMO) points when you wake up. I don't think
your BG is like that.

If you go to bed at 117 and wake up at 124, that is well within the range of
meter error.

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Antares 531

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Feb 27, 2012, 8:44:14 AM2/27/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:57:18 -0800, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>Sorry for the top post and maybe a blank post but there is so much on this
>post my eyes went buggy trying to snip it.
>
I know what you mean, here. I sometimes to a <snip> to clear away
some of the older information.
>
>I don't think you have proven that you are having high BG in the morning.
>To do that you'd have to show what your numbers were before bed and then
>show a good 40 to 60 or more (IMO) points when you wake up. I don't think
>your BG is like that.
>
I guess one could say that I haven't yet "proven" this but it seems to
be a problem. I'll keep testing and hope to get enough information
collected to firm my assessments up a bit.

Yesterday and today my FBG reading, taken immediately after getting
out of bed in the morning was 106, both days. My postprandial reading
after supper the evening before were 126 mg/dL Saturday evening and
107, Sunday evening. I think the Saturday evening high reading was
caused by some gluttonous snacks I had Saturday afternoon, but I don't
see how an afternoon snack could influence my FBG the next morning.

Anyway, I will cut all between meal snacks for a few days and see if
this stabilizes my FBG reading to any extent.

Gordon
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