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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 23, 2019, 9:30:23 AM1/23/19
to
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Cutting back on calories yesterday helped
to get my BMI down to 26.4, along with my
daily 75 minute indoor cycling in two 37
minute 30 second exercise sessions. What
the heck, today I'm increasing those ses-
sions to three 30 minute sessions, total ...
... of 90 minutes per day (a 20% increase).
Yesterday's diet/insulin:
Jan 22 926 calories
6 fat, 186 carb, 40 protein
7 NPH, 13.5 Regular, Total = 20.5 units
! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ !
Superior Clarifying Names first created
and defined in 13,809,999,997 (2010 CE),
trying to replace outdated anachronistic
confusing misleading diabetes / diabetic
/ reactive hypoglycemia words and phrases:
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
Exemplary! https://prohuman.net/diabetesbubblediabetesbubbleburst.htm
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
Outstanding! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
Sooner is Ideal! https://prohuman.net/glucoseanomaliesresearch.htm
! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ ! ~ !
helper
Jan 23, 2019, 2:49:09 PM1/23/19
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With moderate to hard physical activity; muscle cells don't require insulin
to remove blood glucose. Other cells of the body do require it at all
times.
Muscle cells store a form of glucose for about 7 minutes of activity, after
which it is taken directly from the blood.
Insulin dependent people need to take this into account relative to periods
of physical activity and glucose level change.
People who have insulin resistance readily convert excess glucose into fat
storage. In turn this is the first place the body looks for converting it
back into glucose with the physical activity glucose lowering above.
Insulin resistance can occur with all types of diabetes, it is promoted
with excess insulin levels from external or endogenous sources. It is the
cell's response to excess insulin.
In that regard the roller coaster effect in type 1 of excess glucose bing
chased by excess insulin injections is mirrored in the type 2 and excess
levels of blood glucose.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 24, 2019, 9:33:13 AM1/24/19
to
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 1:49:09 PM UTC-6,
Interesting post, Helper. Myself, I have
no insulin resistance and the particular
High Glucose Condition I have is Islit,
abbreviation for Insulinitis, the near-
total to total loss of endogenous ...
... insulin (12 specific types). I have
the specific type of Insulitis Islit, got
it at age 5. My insulin dosages January 6
to January 23 have averaged 18.71 units/
day.
My BMI after my increase to 90 minutes
of indoor cycling (in -3- 30 minute seg-
ments) yesterday, despite a slight in-
crease in calories, went down to 26.3 .
Yesterday, I decreased my NPH (12 hour)
insulin from 8 down to 6 units.
Insulin/diet on January 24:
Jan 23 1,150 calories
35 fat, 165 carb, 65 protein
6 NPH, 11.2 Regular, 17.2 Total Units
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
Super! https://prohuman.net/diabetesbubblediabetesbubbleburst.htm
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
Great! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
Awesome! https://prohuman.net/glucoseanomaliesresearch.htm
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
no insulin resistance and the particular
High Glucose Condition I have is Islit,
abbreviation for Insulinitis, the near-
total to total loss of endogenous ...
... insulin (12 specific types). I have
the specific type of Insulitis Islit, got
it at age 5. My insulin dosages January 6
to January 23 have averaged 18.71 units/
day.
My BMI after my increase to 90 minutes
of indoor cycling (in -3- 30 minute seg-
ments) yesterday, despite a slight in-
crease in calories, went down to 26.3 .
Yesterday, I decreased my NPH (12 hour)
insulin from 8 down to 6 units.
Insulin/diet on January 24:
Jan 23 1,150 calories
35 fat, 165 carb, 65 protein
6 NPH, 11.2 Regular, 17.2 Total Units
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
Great! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
helper
Jan 24, 2019, 11:22:34 AM1/24/19
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> Re: BMI now at 26.3, 20% increase in exercise began Jan 23
How do you know, the bits you post about food intake and being overweight
suggest insulin resistance from all those years of severe roller coaster
episodes.
suggest insulin resistance from all those years of severe roller coaster
episodes.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 24, 2019, 3:59:45 PM1/24/19
to
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-6,
helper wrote:
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
> > Interesting post, Helper. Myself, I have
> > no insulin resistance ...
> How do you know, the bits you post about food intake
> and being overweight suggest insulin resistance from
> all those years of severe roller coaster episodes.
Your roller coaster characterization is
disputable, as the nature of losing all
endogenous insulin and of losing or hav-
ing dysfunctional counter-hypoglycemia
endogenous responses yields the challeng-
ing nature of manually dosing insulin ...
... with probabilistic exogenous insulin
dosages and Freestyle Libre CGM accompan-
ied by bloodpricked glucose tests which
are far removed from the outstanding/
fantastic manner in which the totally ...
... healthy pancreases of most humans
automatically maintains second-by-second
glucose perfection (variances rarely go-
ing below 70 mg/dl or above 140 mg/dl
24 by 7 by 365, 366 every leap year).
Average of 18.71 units/day for last 18
days, my insulin dosage = 1/4 of 1 unit
per kilogram, or relative to average
carb intake of 177.56 carbs/day = aver-
age insulin dosage of 1 unit / 9.49 carbs,
about 67% of that Regular insulin, and
33% of that NPH insulin.
My current waistline = 33 inches, a de-
crease of 1/2 inch since I last measured
that on January 4 while discussing the
following with you:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/qTflK6DDSKQ/-vGTjXDGDgAJ
Quote from the following NIH article: " A waist
measurement of 40 inches or more for men and 35
inches or more for women is linked to insulin
resistance."
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
If you consult with any measure of indi-
cations of insulin resistance based on
the facts I've presented, you would ack-
nowledge that the evidence indicates I
have NO insulin resistance whatsoever.
- - -
Outdated term "Overweight", based on
long life data, BMI 25 to 29.9 should
be considered "Ideal Weight".
Overweight is an outdated term as studies
reveal that the ideal weight for longest
life is BMI = 27 .
Studies also show that the longest life
for those with Cellosis is BMI 25 to 29.9,
and surprisingly, those with Cellosis at
BMI 18.5 to 24.9 have the same life expec-
tancy of those with Cellosis at BMI 30
to 34.9.
Life expectancy for those with Cellosis
resembles that of those without Cellosis
regarding highest death risk being at
BMI < 18.5, and 2nd-highest death risk
being at BMI 35 and above.
- - -
Risk of Death for Everyone
https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg
Highest risk of death = BMI < 18.5
2nd Highest risk of death = BMI 35 and higher
Middle risk of death = BMI 30 to 34.9
2nd lowest risk of death = BMI 18.5 to 24.9
Lowest risk of death = BMI 25 to 29.9
- - -
For everyone:
Being dead is the unhealthiest condition
imaginable, although being alive with a
severe condition such as severe untreat-
able pain might be considered by many/most
as worse than death.
I don't know if any condition causes un-
treatable pain, but if it does, many/most
might consider that as worse than death.
- - -
Risk of getting Cellosis:
Cellosis, by definition, includes continued
insulin production, so Islit, by definition,
cannot become Cellosis. Those with Cellosis
CAN get Islit, though it is as rare as it
is in everyone else. The rarity of those ...
... with Cellosis getting Islit is identical
to its rarity in the general population, < 1%
of those with Cellosis will get Islit during
their life.
As for the highest worry regarding weight
and Cellosis, EVERY weight has a risk of
Cellosis in those who have no High Glucose
Condition, the variable being that the risk
increases as weight increases (at ages 18
and above):
http://healthhubs.net/images/diabetes-BMI.gif
Unmentioned in that graphic:
o the increased risk of getting Cellosis for
those who don't have Islit at ages 10 to 17
but who do have elevated weight (the higher
the BMI, the greater the risk),
o the increased risk of Cellosis for those
who don't have Islit as they age, magnified
over age 65, and
o the increased risk of Cellosis for those
who don't have Islit in those who have a
close family member (father/mother/daughter/
brother) with Cellosis
o the risk of deaths based on the BMIs displayed
at https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg ,
those risks far different than are the risks
of Cellosis in non-Islit individuals ages 18
and up which goes up as one's weight goes up
http://healthhubs.net/images/diabetes-BMI.gif
- - -
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
The old confusing way using ancient ideas
and words (pre-scientific / pre-knowledge
of the human body) which all-too-often
involves folks using the confusing diabetes
/ diabetic words without a clarifier:
diabetes / diabetic with no clarifier,
diabetes / diabetic guessing required
(often, those words are used implying
diabetes / diabetic is ONE condition,
in denial of its disparate natures)
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesdiabeticguessinggame.jpg
- - -
On May 17 13,809,999,997 (2010 CE), I
created a detailed proposal for changing
all of the confusing & misleading diabetes
and diabetic names -and- changing the
confusing reactive hypoglycemia name:
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
https://prohuman.net/diabetesbubblediabetesbubbleburst.htm
Promotion of a Cure for Insulinitis
Name changes for old outdated diabetes and
diabetic words are desperately needed to
eliminate the confusion and misleading that
transpires when those words are used without
clarifiers, which often happens.
A brief summary of what the Diabetes Bubble /
Diabetes Bubble Burst article linked to above
pertains to:
dark red = Insulinitis (type 1 diabetes, juven-
ile diabetes, insulin dependent diabetes, rapid
onset near-total to total loss of endogenous
insulin), abbreviation = Islit, 11 specific
types, unpreventable / nonreversible. 3 speci-
fic types are disputed.
I got Insulitis Islit in March of
13,809,999,948 (1961 CE), age 5.
dark pink = Latent Autoimmune Insulinitis (lat-
ent autoimmune diabetes, slow onset Insulinitis),
1 specific type, unpreventable / nonreversible.
dark blue = PreCellosis (prediabetes, but only
applies to increased risk of getting Cellosis),
Cellosis (type 2 diabetes, continued but re-
duced insulin production over time, typically
slow onset). 20 specific types are unpreventable
& nonreversible.
Preventable Cellosis is the only specific type
of High Glucose Condition that is currently po-
tentially preventable & reversible.
light blue = Gestational Cellosis (gestational
diabetes), 1 specific type (transient but can
increase the risk of later getting Cellosis).
dark green = Diminosis (maturity onset diabetes
of the young, diminished but continuing insulin
production caused by a monogenetic defect), 11
specific types, unpreventable & nonreversible.
light green = Neonatal Diminosis (neonatal dia-
betes, diminished but continuing insulin produc-
tion caused by a monogenetic defect in the first
6 months after birth), 8 specific types are per-
manent, 4 specific types are transient. All are
unpreventable, but the 4 specific transient types
are potentially reversible.
purple = Ohiglucons, Other High Glucose Condi-
tions (other diabetes mellitus), 24 specific
types, unpreventable / nonreversible:
- 5 specific types are drug or chemical-
induced,
- 5 specific types result from endocrino-
pathies,
- 7 specific types involve exocrine or
pancreas diseases or surgical treatment,
- 4 specific types result from insulin action
defects,
- 2 specific types result from other genetic
syndromes,
- 1 specific type results from anti-insulin
receptor antibodies
gray = Insipidus (diabetes insipidus), 6 spe-
cific types (4 are non-glucose anomalies,
2 specific types include high glucose),
unpreventable / nonreversible.
bright red = Hypoglycemia Uncaused by Treatments
for High Glucose, Hut (reactive
hypoglycemia, hyperinsulinism),
21 specific types, some are preven-
table/reversible, some aren't.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
helper wrote:
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
> > Interesting post, Helper. Myself, I have
> How do you know, the bits you post about food intake
> and being overweight suggest insulin resistance from
> all those years of severe roller coaster episodes.
disputable, as the nature of losing all
endogenous insulin and of losing or hav-
ing dysfunctional counter-hypoglycemia
endogenous responses yields the challeng-
ing nature of manually dosing insulin ...
... with probabilistic exogenous insulin
dosages and Freestyle Libre CGM accompan-
ied by bloodpricked glucose tests which
are far removed from the outstanding/
fantastic manner in which the totally ...
... healthy pancreases of most humans
automatically maintains second-by-second
glucose perfection (variances rarely go-
ing below 70 mg/dl or above 140 mg/dl
24 by 7 by 365, 366 every leap year).
Average of 18.71 units/day for last 18
days, my insulin dosage = 1/4 of 1 unit
per kilogram, or relative to average
carb intake of 177.56 carbs/day = aver-
age insulin dosage of 1 unit / 9.49 carbs,
about 67% of that Regular insulin, and
33% of that NPH insulin.
My current waistline = 33 inches, a de-
crease of 1/2 inch since I last measured
that on January 4 while discussing the
following with you:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/qTflK6DDSKQ/-vGTjXDGDgAJ
Quote from the following NIH article: " A waist
measurement of 40 inches or more for men and 35
inches or more for women is linked to insulin
resistance."
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
If you consult with any measure of indi-
cations of insulin resistance based on
the facts I've presented, you would ack-
nowledge that the evidence indicates I
have NO insulin resistance whatsoever.
- - -
Outdated term "Overweight", based on
long life data, BMI 25 to 29.9 should
be considered "Ideal Weight".
Overweight is an outdated term as studies
reveal that the ideal weight for longest
life is BMI = 27 .
Studies also show that the longest life
for those with Cellosis is BMI 25 to 29.9,
and surprisingly, those with Cellosis at
BMI 18.5 to 24.9 have the same life expec-
tancy of those with Cellosis at BMI 30
to 34.9.
Life expectancy for those with Cellosis
resembles that of those without Cellosis
regarding highest death risk being at
BMI < 18.5, and 2nd-highest death risk
being at BMI 35 and above.
- - -
Risk of Death for Everyone
https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg
Highest risk of death = BMI < 18.5
2nd Highest risk of death = BMI 35 and higher
Middle risk of death = BMI 30 to 34.9
2nd lowest risk of death = BMI 18.5 to 24.9
Lowest risk of death = BMI 25 to 29.9
- - -
For everyone:
Being dead is the unhealthiest condition
imaginable, although being alive with a
severe condition such as severe untreat-
able pain might be considered by many/most
as worse than death.
I don't know if any condition causes un-
treatable pain, but if it does, many/most
might consider that as worse than death.
- - -
Risk of getting Cellosis:
Cellosis, by definition, includes continued
insulin production, so Islit, by definition,
cannot become Cellosis. Those with Cellosis
CAN get Islit, though it is as rare as it
is in everyone else. The rarity of those ...
... with Cellosis getting Islit is identical
to its rarity in the general population, < 1%
of those with Cellosis will get Islit during
their life.
As for the highest worry regarding weight
and Cellosis, EVERY weight has a risk of
Cellosis in those who have no High Glucose
Condition, the variable being that the risk
increases as weight increases (at ages 18
and above):
http://healthhubs.net/images/diabetes-BMI.gif
Unmentioned in that graphic:
o the increased risk of getting Cellosis for
those who don't have Islit at ages 10 to 17
but who do have elevated weight (the higher
the BMI, the greater the risk),
o the increased risk of Cellosis for those
who don't have Islit as they age, magnified
over age 65, and
o the increased risk of Cellosis for those
who don't have Islit in those who have a
close family member (father/mother/daughter/
brother) with Cellosis
o the risk of deaths based on the BMIs displayed
at https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg ,
those risks far different than are the risks
of Cellosis in non-Islit individuals ages 18
and up which goes up as one's weight goes up
http://healthhubs.net/images/diabetes-BMI.gif
- - -
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
The old confusing way using ancient ideas
and words (pre-scientific / pre-knowledge
of the human body) which all-too-often
involves folks using the confusing diabetes
/ diabetic words without a clarifier:
diabetes / diabetic with no clarifier,
diabetes / diabetic guessing required
(often, those words are used implying
diabetes / diabetic is ONE condition,
in denial of its disparate natures)
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesdiabeticguessinggame.jpg
- - -
On May 17 13,809,999,997 (2010 CE), I
created a detailed proposal for changing
all of the confusing & misleading diabetes
and diabetic names -and- changing the
confusing reactive hypoglycemia name:
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
Promotion of a Cure for Insulinitis
https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding Potential
Cures / Improvements in Treatments
https://prohuman.net/glucoseanomaliesresearch.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding Potential
Cures / Improvements in Treatments
Name changes for old outdated diabetes and
diabetic words are desperately needed to
eliminate the confusion and misleading that
transpires when those words are used without
clarifiers, which often happens.
A brief summary of what the Diabetes Bubble /
Diabetes Bubble Burst article linked to above
pertains to:
dark red = Insulinitis (type 1 diabetes, juven-
ile diabetes, insulin dependent diabetes, rapid
onset near-total to total loss of endogenous
insulin), abbreviation = Islit, 11 specific
types, unpreventable / nonreversible. 3 speci-
fic types are disputed.
I got Insulitis Islit in March of
13,809,999,948 (1961 CE), age 5.
dark pink = Latent Autoimmune Insulinitis (lat-
ent autoimmune diabetes, slow onset Insulinitis),
1 specific type, unpreventable / nonreversible.
dark blue = PreCellosis (prediabetes, but only
applies to increased risk of getting Cellosis),
Cellosis (type 2 diabetes, continued but re-
duced insulin production over time, typically
slow onset). 20 specific types are unpreventable
& nonreversible.
Preventable Cellosis is the only specific type
of High Glucose Condition that is currently po-
tentially preventable & reversible.
light blue = Gestational Cellosis (gestational
diabetes), 1 specific type (transient but can
increase the risk of later getting Cellosis).
dark green = Diminosis (maturity onset diabetes
of the young, diminished but continuing insulin
production caused by a monogenetic defect), 11
specific types, unpreventable & nonreversible.
light green = Neonatal Diminosis (neonatal dia-
betes, diminished but continuing insulin produc-
tion caused by a monogenetic defect in the first
6 months after birth), 8 specific types are per-
manent, 4 specific types are transient. All are
unpreventable, but the 4 specific transient types
are potentially reversible.
purple = Ohiglucons, Other High Glucose Condi-
tions (other diabetes mellitus), 24 specific
types, unpreventable / nonreversible:
- 5 specific types are drug or chemical-
induced,
- 5 specific types result from endocrino-
pathies,
- 7 specific types involve exocrine or
pancreas diseases or surgical treatment,
- 4 specific types result from insulin action
defects,
- 2 specific types result from other genetic
syndromes,
- 1 specific type results from anti-insulin
receptor antibodies
gray = Insipidus (diabetes insipidus), 6 spe-
cific types (4 are non-glucose anomalies,
2 specific types include high glucose),
unpreventable / nonreversible.
bright red = Hypoglycemia Uncaused by Treatments
for High Glucose, Hut (reactive
hypoglycemia, hyperinsulinism),
21 specific types, some are preven-
table/reversible, some aren't.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 24, 2019, 8:50:57 PM1/24/19
to
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
> probabilistic pile of shit
Never use my dumb diabetes words and...
...Ignore my useless shit.
Yours truly,
Yours Truly?
> probabilistic pile of shit
Never use my dumb diabetes words and...
...Ignore my useless shit.
Yours truly,
Yours Truly?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 24, 2019, 10:39:44 PM1/24/19
to
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 2:59:45 PM UTC-6,
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
See original for complete details:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/-dI7DV7Boog/fX35sVNhEgAJ
Key excerpts from that post:
.> My current waistline = 33 inches, a de-
.> crease of 1/2 inch since I last measured
.> that on January 4 while discussing the
.> following with you:
.> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/qTflK6DDSKQ/-vGTjXDGDgAJ
.>
.> Quote from the following NIH article: " A waist
.> measurement of 40 inches or more for men and 35
.> inches or more for women is linked to insulin
.> resistance."
.> https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
.> - - -
.> Risk of Death for Everyone
.> https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg
.>
.> Highest risk of death = BMI < 18.5
.> 2nd Highest risk of death = BMI 35 and higher
.> Middle risk of death = BMI 30 to 34.9
.> 2nd lowest risk of death = BMI 18.5 to 24.9
.> Lowest risk of death = BMI 25 to 29.9
.> - - -
Today, I made one more change to my 90 minute
indoor cycling in -3- 30 minute segments: I had
my cycle resistance set to 6 out of 8. I upped
that to 7 out of 8, so theoretically, my energy
expenditure should increase by 16.67% .
Today I ran across information encouraging the
use of waist-to-height ratio instead of BMI to
determine one's optimum (ideal) health.
- - -
November 14 13,810,000,005 (2018 CE)
One of the most popular ways of telling if
you're a healthy weight is bogus — here's
what you should do instead
https://www.businessinsider.com/bmi-is-bogus-best-way-to-tell-if-youre-a-healthy-weight-2016-9
- - -
The body mass index, or BMI, was invented
in the 1830s, and, as with many things that
have been around for nearly 200 years, it
seems to have outgrown its utility.
...
Measuring your waist is a much better indi-
cator of your health.
...
- - - end excerpt - - -
The following article states that to be
considered "healthy" for my height (66.25
inches) my waist should be between 30.5
and 35.1 inches (I don't think I've ever
been over 34 inches), a waist-to-height
ration of 0.46 to 0.53 .
Other articles suggest a max of 0.5, so
I'm unsure why their chart allows up to
0.53 .
My current waist size is 33 inches so I'm
well within the healthy waist size for my
height.
To be considered "slender & healthy, my
waist should be between 28.5 and 30.5
inches, so if I ever get down to 28.5
inches I'll go about trying to maintain
that waist size / weight (i.e., I'll
stop trying to lose weight/waist size).
- - -
February 23 13,810,000,004 (2017 CE)
Why is waist to height ratio important?
https://mport.com/blog/why-is-waist-to-height-ratio-important/
- - -
Note - the diabetes word used in that
article is actually solely referring
to Preventable Cellosis (old name of
diabetes is used without clarifier
but they should've used preventable
type 2 diabetes or better yet, the ...
... new clarifying name of Preventable
Cellosis. Most of the disparate High
Glucose Conditions (see my sig) are
unpreventable / nonreversible and
are totally uncaused by weight or
waist size.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER, I got Insulinitis
(Islit) at age 5 in March, 1961 -- I used
a Dexcom G4 Continuous Glucose Monitor
(since October, 2013) -and- was using an
Omnipod Insulin Pump (since January, 2014).
However, due to losing my job & health
insurance on April 11, I've switched back
to using insulin injections on May 29
(regular insulin and NPH insulin, up ...
... to 10 injections daily, 2 with NPH,
the rest with regular) and to using the
relatively inexpensive Freestyle Libre
CGM (over $4,000 less per year than the
Dexcom G6 CGM).
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
ASAP! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
The Sooner The Better! https://prohuman.net/glucoseanomaliesresearch.htm
- - -
The old confusing way which all-too-often
involves folks using the diabetes / diabetic
words without a clarifier:
diabetes / diabetic without a clarifier,
diabetes & diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia
words and phrases, replacing all that with
vastly superior names, ending diabetes &
diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia confusion,
misleading, & misunderstanding:
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
Splendid! https://prohuman.net/diabetesbubblediabetesbubbleburst.htm
- - -
High Glucose Conditions, HGCs, unprevent-
ability / nonreversibility of all-but-one
of the specific types of High Glucose
Conditions (thus far, research is ongoing
to change that):
o 12 specific types of rapid-onset
Insulinitis (Islit), unpreventable &
nonreversible (thus far), predominate
type, Insulitis Insulinitis (sometimes
called type 1 diabetes, often confus-
ingly called diabetes with no clari-
fier).
o 1 specific type of slow-onset Islit,
Latent Autoimmune Islit, also unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far)
(sometimes called latent autoimmune
diabetes in adults, often confusingly
called diabetes with no clarifier).
o Preventable Cellosis is the only spe-
cific type of HGC that is preventable
& reversible (for up to 10 years after
diagnosis, in some, sometimes called
type 2 diabetes, often confusingly
called diabetes with no clarifier).
o 20 specific types of Cellosis, unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far,
sometimes called type 2 diabetes, all-
too-often confusingly called diabetes
with no clarifier)
o 1 specific type of High Glucose Condi-
tion only occurring in the late stage
of impregnation in women, a type that's
transient but that increases risk of ...
... later getting Cellosis, that condi-
tion called Gestational Cellosis (some-
times called gestational diabetes, some-
times confusingly called diabetes with
no clarifier).
o 11 specific types of Diminosis (new name
created in 2010 for a condition that is
sometimes called maturity onset diabetes
of the young, often confusingly called
diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
table & nonreversible (thus far).
o 12 specific types of Neonatal Diminosis
(new name created in 2010 for a condition]
that is sometimed called neonatal diabetes,
often confusingly called diabetes with no
clarifier), 8 types are permanent, but ...
... 4 types are transient, unpreventable
& nonreversible in the permanent specific
types (thus far).
o 24 specific types of Ohiglucons (new
name created in 2010 for other diabetes
mellitus, but often confusingly called
diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
table & nonreversible (thus far).
- - -
A mostly Non-Glucose Anomaly, Insipidus,
it's also unpreventable & nonreversible
(thus far):
o 6 specific types of Insipidus (new name
created in 2010 for diabetes insipidus,
sometimes confusingly called diabetes
with no clarifier), 4 specific types
don't include high glucose & are unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far), ...
... 2 specific rare types do include
high glucose & are unpreventable &
nonreversible (thus far).
- - -
The following condition is apart from
the diabetes confusion problem, but has
confusion issues of its own.
A Low Glucose Condition, Hut:
o The 21 specific types of Hut (new name
created in 2010 for Hypoglycemia Un-
glycemia, confusing in that it does
not occur as a reaction to treatment ...
... for High Glucose; one form is
sometimes called hyperinsulinism),
some specific types are preventable
& reversible, some aren't (thus far).
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
See original for complete details:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/-dI7DV7Boog/fX35sVNhEgAJ
Key excerpts from that post:
.> My current waistline = 33 inches, a de-
.> crease of 1/2 inch since I last measured
.> that on January 4 while discussing the
.> following with you:
.> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.health.diabetes/qTflK6DDSKQ/-vGTjXDGDgAJ
.>
.> Quote from the following NIH article: " A waist
.> measurement of 40 inches or more for men and 35
.> inches or more for women is linked to insulin
.> resistance."
.> https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
.> - - -
.> Risk of Death for Everyone
.> https://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/06/090623133523-large.jpg
.>
.> Highest risk of death = BMI < 18.5
.> 2nd Highest risk of death = BMI 35 and higher
.> Middle risk of death = BMI 30 to 34.9
.> 2nd lowest risk of death = BMI 18.5 to 24.9
.> Lowest risk of death = BMI 25 to 29.9
.> - - -
Today, I made one more change to my 90 minute
indoor cycling in -3- 30 minute segments: I had
my cycle resistance set to 6 out of 8. I upped
that to 7 out of 8, so theoretically, my energy
expenditure should increase by 16.67% .
Today I ran across information encouraging the
use of waist-to-height ratio instead of BMI to
determine one's optimum (ideal) health.
- - -
November 14 13,810,000,005 (2018 CE)
One of the most popular ways of telling if
you're a healthy weight is bogus — here's
what you should do instead
https://www.businessinsider.com/bmi-is-bogus-best-way-to-tell-if-youre-a-healthy-weight-2016-9
- - -
The body mass index, or BMI, was invented
in the 1830s, and, as with many things that
have been around for nearly 200 years, it
seems to have outgrown its utility.
...
Measuring your waist is a much better indi-
cator of your health.
...
- - - end excerpt - - -
The following article states that to be
considered "healthy" for my height (66.25
inches) my waist should be between 30.5
and 35.1 inches (I don't think I've ever
been over 34 inches), a waist-to-height
ration of 0.46 to 0.53 .
Other articles suggest a max of 0.5, so
I'm unsure why their chart allows up to
0.53 .
My current waist size is 33 inches so I'm
well within the healthy waist size for my
height.
To be considered "slender & healthy, my
waist should be between 28.5 and 30.5
inches, so if I ever get down to 28.5
inches I'll go about trying to maintain
that waist size / weight (i.e., I'll
stop trying to lose weight/waist size).
- - -
February 23 13,810,000,004 (2017 CE)
Why is waist to height ratio important?
https://mport.com/blog/why-is-waist-to-height-ratio-important/
- - -
Note - the diabetes word used in that
article is actually solely referring
to Preventable Cellosis (old name of
diabetes is used without clarifier
but they should've used preventable
type 2 diabetes or better yet, the ...
... new clarifying name of Preventable
Cellosis. Most of the disparate High
Glucose Conditions (see my sig) are
unpreventable / nonreversible and
are totally uncaused by weight or
waist size.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
(Islit) at age 5 in March, 1961 -- I used
a Dexcom G4 Continuous Glucose Monitor
(since October, 2013) -and- was using an
Omnipod Insulin Pump (since January, 2014).
However, due to losing my job & health
insurance on April 11, I've switched back
to using insulin injections on May 29
(regular insulin and NPH insulin, up ...
... to 10 injections daily, 2 with NPH,
the rest with regular) and to using the
relatively inexpensive Freestyle Libre
CGM (over $4,000 less per year than the
Dexcom G6 CGM).
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
ASAP! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
- - -
The old confusing way which all-too-often
involves folks using the diabetes / diabetic
words without a clarifier:
diabetes / diabetic without a clarifier,
diabetes / diabetic guessing required
Logic and reasoning behind ceasing using
diabetes & diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia
words and phrases, replacing all that with
vastly superior names, ending diabetes &
diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia confusion,
misleading, & misunderstanding:
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
- - -
High Glucose Conditions, HGCs, unprevent-
ability / nonreversibility of all-but-one
of the specific types of High Glucose
Conditions (thus far, research is ongoing
to change that):
o 12 specific types of rapid-onset
Insulinitis (Islit), unpreventable &
nonreversible (thus far), predominate
type, Insulitis Insulinitis (sometimes
called type 1 diabetes, often confus-
ingly called diabetes with no clari-
fier).
o 1 specific type of slow-onset Islit,
Latent Autoimmune Islit, also unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far)
(sometimes called latent autoimmune
diabetes in adults, often confusingly
called diabetes with no clarifier).
o Preventable Cellosis is the only spe-
cific type of HGC that is preventable
& reversible (for up to 10 years after
diagnosis, in some, sometimes called
type 2 diabetes, often confusingly
called diabetes with no clarifier).
o 20 specific types of Cellosis, unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far,
sometimes called type 2 diabetes, all-
too-often confusingly called diabetes
with no clarifier)
o 1 specific type of High Glucose Condi-
tion only occurring in the late stage
of impregnation in women, a type that's
transient but that increases risk of ...
... later getting Cellosis, that condi-
tion called Gestational Cellosis (some-
times called gestational diabetes, some-
times confusingly called diabetes with
no clarifier).
o 11 specific types of Diminosis (new name
created in 2010 for a condition that is
sometimes called maturity onset diabetes
of the young, often confusingly called
diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
table & nonreversible (thus far).
o 12 specific types of Neonatal Diminosis
(new name created in 2010 for a condition]
that is sometimed called neonatal diabetes,
often confusingly called diabetes with no
clarifier), 8 types are permanent, but ...
... 4 types are transient, unpreventable
& nonreversible in the permanent specific
types (thus far).
o 24 specific types of Ohiglucons (new
name created in 2010 for other diabetes
mellitus, but often confusingly called
diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
table & nonreversible (thus far).
- - -
A mostly Non-Glucose Anomaly, Insipidus,
it's also unpreventable & nonreversible
(thus far):
o 6 specific types of Insipidus (new name
created in 2010 for diabetes insipidus,
sometimes confusingly called diabetes
with no clarifier), 4 specific types
don't include high glucose & are unpre-
ventable & nonreversible (thus far), ...
... 2 specific rare types do include
high glucose & are unpreventable &
nonreversible (thus far).
- - -
The following condition is apart from
the diabetes confusion problem, but has
confusion issues of its own.
A Low Glucose Condition, Hut:
o The 21 specific types of Hut (new name
created in 2010 for Hypoglycemia Un-
caused by Treatments for High Glucose,
often confusingly called reactive hypo-
glycemia, confusing in that it does
not occur as a reaction to treatment ...
... for High Glucose; one form is
sometimes called hyperinsulinism),
some specific types are preventable
& reversible, some aren't (thus far).
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 25, 2019, 10:27:09 AM1/25/19
to
- - -
One of the articles I linked to yesterday
said "The amount of water, food or gas in
the gastrointestinal tract will affect the
accuracy of the waist measurement. One
approach is to get measured early in the
morning after a good night’s rest."
I did so this morning and my waist mea-
surement was 32.5 inches, so my Waist
to Height Ratio (32.5/66.25) is now
0.49, .06 away from my WHR goal of
0.43, waist size of 28.5 inches.
My BMI went down to 26.2 this morning.
Yesterday's insulin/diet:
Jan 24 825 calories
19 fat, 129 carb, 45 protein
6 NPH, 16.5 Regular, 22.5 Total Units
.> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
.>
.> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER, I got Insulinitis
.> (Islit) at age 5 in March, 1961 -- I used
.> a Dexcom G4 Continuous Glucose Monitor
.> (since October, 2013) -and- was using an
.> Omnipod Insulin Pump (since January, 2014).
.>
.> However, due to losing my job & health
.> insurance on April 11, I've switched back
.> to using insulin injections on May 29
.> (regular insulin and NPH insulin, up ...
.>
.> ... to 10 injections daily, 2 with NPH,
.> the rest with regular) and to using the
.> relatively inexpensive Freestyle Libre
.> CGM (over $4,000 less per year than the
.> Dexcom G6 CGM).
.>
.> C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
.> ASAP! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
.>
.> Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
.> Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
.> The Sooner The Better! https://prohuman.net/glucoseanomaliesresearch.htm
.>
.> - - -
.>
.> The old confusing way which all-too-often
.>
.> involves folks using the diabetes / diabetic
.> words without a clarifier:
.>
.> diabetes / diabetic without a clarifier,
.> diabetes / diabetic guessing required
.> https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesdiabeticguessinggame.jpg
.>
.> - - -
.>
.> Logic and reasoning behind ceasing using
.>
.> diabetes & diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia
.> words and phrases, replacing all that with
.> vastly superior names, ending diabetes &
.> diabetic & reactive hypoglycemia confusion,
.> misleading, & misunderstanding:
.>
.> Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
.> Splendid! https://prohuman.net/diabetesbubblediabetesbubbleburst.htm
.>
.> - - -
.>
.> High Glucose Conditions, HGCs, unprevent-
.>
.> ability / nonreversibility of all-but-one
.> of the specific types of High Glucose
.> Conditions (thus far, research is ongoing
.> to change that):
.>
.> o 12 specific types of rapid-onset
.> Insulinitis (Islit), unpreventable &
.> nonreversible (thus far), predominate
.> type, Insulitis Insulinitis (sometimes
.> called type 1 diabetes, often confus-
.> ingly called diabetes with no clari-
.> fier).
.>
.> o 1 specific type of slow-onset Islit,
.> Latent Autoimmune Islit, also unpre-
.> ventable & nonreversible (thus far)
.> (sometimes called latent autoimmune
.> diabetes in adults, often confusingly
.> called diabetes with no clarifier).
.>
.> o Preventable Cellosis is the only spe-
.> cific type of HGC that is preventable
.> & reversible (for up to 10 years after
.> diagnosis, in some, sometimes called
.> type 2 diabetes, often confusingly
.> called diabetes with no clarifier).
.>
.> o 20 specific types of Cellosis, unpre-
.> ventable & nonreversible (thus far,
.> sometimes called type 2 diabetes, all-
.> too-often confusingly called diabetes
.> with no clarifier)
.>
.> o 1 specific type of High Glucose Condi-
.> tion only occurring in the late stage
.> of impregnation in women, a type that's
.> transient but that increases risk of ...
.>
.> ... later getting Cellosis, that condi-
.> tion called Gestational Cellosis (some-
.> times called gestational diabetes, some-
.> times confusingly called diabetes with
.> no clarifier).
.>
.> o 11 specific types of Diminosis (new name
.> created in 2010 for a condition that is
.> sometimes called maturity onset diabetes
.> of the young, often confusingly called
.> diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
.> table & nonreversible (thus far).
.>
.> o 12 specific types of Neonatal Diminosis
.> (new name created in 2010 for a condition]
.> that is sometimed called neonatal diabetes,
.> often confusingly called diabetes with no
.> clarifier), 8 types are permanent, but ...
.>
.> ... 4 types are transient, unpreventable
.> & nonreversible in the permanent specific
.> types (thus far).
.>
.> o 24 specific types of Ohiglucons (new
.> name created in 2010 for other diabetes
.> mellitus, but often confusingly called
.> diabetes with no clarifier), unpreven-
.> table & nonreversible (thus far).
.>
.> - - -
.>
.> A mostly Non-Glucose Anomaly, Insipidus,
.>
.> it's also unpreventable & nonreversible
.> (thus far):
.>
.> o 6 specific types of Insipidus (new name
.> created in 2010 for diabetes insipidus,
.> sometimes confusingly called diabetes
.> with no clarifier), 4 specific types
.> don't include high glucose & are unpre-
.> ventable & nonreversible (thus far), ...
.>
.> ... 2 specific rare types do include
.> high glucose & are unpreventable &
.> nonreversible (thus far).
.>
.> - - -
.>
.> The following condition is apart from
.>
.> the diabetes confusion problem, but has
.> confusion issues of its own.
.>
.> A Low Glucose Condition, Hut:
.>
.> o The 21 specific types of Hut (new name
.> created in 2010 for Hypoglycemia Un-
.> caused by Treatments for High Glucose,
.> often confusingly called reactive hypo-
.> glycemia, confusing in that it does
.> not occur as a reaction to treatment ...
.>
.> ... for High Glucose; one form is
.> sometimes called hyperinsulinism),
.> some specific types are preventable
.> & reversible, some aren't (thus far).
.>
.> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
helper
Jan 25, 2019, 12:36:50 PM1/25/19
to
>> > Interesting post, Helper. Myself, I have
>> > no insulin resistance ...
>
>> How do you know, the bits you post about food intake
>> and being overweight suggest insulin resistance from
>> all those years of severe roller coaster episodes.
>
> Your roller coaster characterization is
> disputable,
and not wanting to do what was required to control it.
Years of the roller coaster effect, large amounts of glucose/carb intake
and resulting glucose blood levels being chased by large amounts of insulin
can result in insulin resistance.
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Jan 26, 2019, 1:20:49 PM1/26/19
to
- - -
Repost to fix 1 mistake:
- - -
My waist measurement was 32.5 inches
this morning. My Waist to Height Ratio
(32.5/66.25) remains at 0.49, .06 away
from my WHR goal of 0.43, waist size
of 28.5 inches.
My BMI went down to 26.1 this morning.
of 28.5 inches.
Yesterday's exercise, 90 minutes in
-3- 30 minute segements.
Yesterday's insulin/diet:
Jan 24 1,010 calories
21 fat, 150 carb, 58.5 protein
6 NPH, 14 Regular, 20 Total Units
- - -
helper wrote:
> ... large amounts of glucose/carb intake
Hmmmm, a google search turns up "The
dietary guidelines recommend that carbs
provide 45 to 65 percent of your daily
calorie intake. So if you eat a 2000-
calorie diet, you should aim for about
225 to 325 grams of carbs per day."
Well, I've been on a reduced calorie
diet along with increased exercise
(now at 90 minutes/day in -3- 30 min-
ute segments).
My average calories since Dec 11
(last 46 days) have been
1,056 calories/day
My carb intake has been reduced, too.
My average carb intake (last 46 days)
has been
149.6 carbs per day
> and resulting glucose blood levels
> being chased by large amounts of
Since Dec 11 (last 46 days), my aver-
age insulin dosages have been
7.88 NPH, 11.09 Regular,
18.97 Units Total
Understand, an average of 18.97 units
per day is SMALL. Understand, a waist
size of 32.5 inches and a waist-to-
height ratio of 0.49 is good / healthy.
Understand, dosing 1/4 of 1 unit of
insulin per kilogram is SMALL.
I'd love to find a website that had
a "normal" insulin dosage to prove
to you that my daily dosage of 18.97
units (1/4 unit per kilogram) is small,
but websites tend to shy away from
recommending dosages as they wish ...
... to avoid being blamed for one's
glucose going too low or too high.
However, I did find the following:
https://quizlet.com/144911708/diabetes-meds-pharm-flash-cards/
"Usual dose of .5-1 units per kilo-
gram per day then adjusted to main-
tain blood glucose levels between
90 to 130 milligrams per deciliter
before meals."
Insulin, when one's body makes -0-
units per day, and one is on manual
pilot 100% of the time, and when one's
pancreas makes -0- insulin, and when
one's endogenous hypoglycemia preven-
tion (which transpires in non-Islit ...
... individuals at 83 mg/dl) is near-
totally missing / dysfunctional (not
totally, as when I was having severe
hypos, which I no longer have, I
awakened after being unconscious for
several hours once), you exist in a ...
... lonely world in which 99.62% of
Americans (current estimate of the
percent of Americans not having Islit,
& that's 262 out of every 263 Ameri-
cans) have no earthly clue about what
it's like living every moment of ...
... every day and night with only
oneself able to deal with the complex
exigencies entailed in manual pilot
of all insulin dosing in response to
glucose levels (100% manual pilot).
However, some folks have help from
family & friends.
~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~
The old confusing way which all-too-often
involves folks using the diabetes / diabetic
words without a clarifier:
diabetes / diabetic without a clarifier,
diabetes / diabetic guessing required
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER, promoting since
May 17 13,809,999,997 (2010 CE) putting
an end to all of the ancient outdated
confusing misleading diabetes & diabetic
ways of referring to our disparate High
Glucose Conditions (and one mostly ...
... non-glucose anomaly and one low
glucose anomaly which uses an outdated
confusing reactive hypoglycemia term) ...
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesdiabeticconfusion.jpg
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesdiabeticendingthemisunderstanding.jpg
... replacing all of that with new superior
clarifying medical terms which hopefully
will, in the future, end the diabetes /
diabetic / reactive hypoglycemia confusion
and misleading, putting an end to the use
of those terms, totally:
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesbubblediabetesbubblebursttitle.jpg
https://prohuman.net/pix2/diabetesreactivehypoglycemiaoldnamesnewnames.jpg
https://prohuman.net/pix2/oldnamesnewimprovednames.jpg
Diabetes Bubble / Diabetes Bubble Burst
C.ure I.nsulinitis A.ssociation
Ideal! https://prohuman.net/cureinsulinitisassociation.htm
Glucose Anomalies Research regarding
Potential Cures / Improvements in Treatments
- - -
Those who favor new terms, the following
is inspirational:
I Do Not Like Diabetes Here or There,
I Do Not Like Diabetes Anywhere
https://smile.amazon.com/Not-Like-Diabetes-Anywhere-shirt/dp/B01N25FMMI/ref=pd_d0_recs_v2_cwb_193_3?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=WJHV2S8X0YG21Z9WVQD5&th=1
See No
Speak No
Hear No
DIABETES
Faith Will Make It So
https://smile.amazon.com/CafePress-Speak-Diabetes-Unique-Coffee/dp/B014JS6QDI/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1513534468&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=diabetes+cup&psc=1
Syllables - Comparison of old
diabetes terms / new terms
https://prohuman.net/diabetesoldtermsnewtermssyllables.htm
~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~ ~!~
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