Snip happy doctor "left boys in agony"
Martin
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A doctor offering �150 circumcisions at his private clinic in Essex
left young boys in agonising pain, a disciplinary panel has heard.
Dr Aziz Chaudry allegedly did not adequately ensure young boys were
fully anaesthetised, The General Medical Council (GMC) was told.
He is also accused of not fully informing the families of the
processes involved at his clinic in Clacton.
Dr Chaudry admits failures over notekeeping but denies misconduct.
The hearing was told young boys were restrained in pain.
One boy's family was told he may need plastic surgery to correct
damage, the GMC's Fitness to Practise Panel was told. Another boy,
aged four, was taken to hospital after the operation.
After one of the operations on a four-year-old in 2006, Dr Chaudry
cleared a blood clot from the boy without washing his hands or wearing
gloves, it was claimed.
The allegations against the doctor, who claimed to have more than 20
years' experience, were made after complaints from the Muslim families
of five boys.
Dr Chaudry allowed two of the patients to leave hospital "when it was
inappropriate to do so", the hearing was told.
A mother of three brothers to undergo surgery was told "words to the
effect of there were no risks involved...", counsel for the GMC Nimi
Bruce said. Yet days afterwards, the woman's 22-month-old was taken to
hospital with an infection.
The hearing was told Dr Chaudry was "very dismissive" about the turn
of events.
Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain in
the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
Hospital.
The hearing continues.
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14 years, 9 months and 14 days.
Jack
> Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain in
> the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
> Hospital.
We don't circumcise seven-year-olds in "civilized" societies because
they can verbalize the experience.
Martin
when performed by professionals who administer anaesthetic.
But that's not the case according to one professional who performs
such operations.
Dr Aziz Chaudry is accused of botching the circumcisions of five boys
and leaving them in "agonising pain."
The doctor's defence is that "There is a degree of pain and discomfort
in all operations like this."
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:17:28 +0000, Martin <mar...@hiv-poz.co.uk>
wrote:
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8326512.stm>:
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>A doctor offering £150 circumcisions at his private clinic in Essex
>left young boys in agonising pain, a disciplinary panel has heard.
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<http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4752639.Circumcision_row_GP_claims_ops_weren___t_botched/>
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Five children had to be hospitalised in the space of a week, after
urologist Dr Aziz Chaudry allegedly botched the £150 procedures, at
his Clacton surgery.
But the doctor claimed there would always be "a degree of pain and
discomfort" for the boys.
At a General Medical Council hearing, James Counsel, defending, said:
"Dr Chaudry plainly has the necessary skills and experience to perform
procedures such as this.
"He used appropriate measures, including the appropriate measure and
use of anaesthetic to minimise – the critical word here – the pain and
discomfort, not to avoid it altogether.
"There is a degree of pain and discomfort in all operations like
this."
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14 years, 10 months and 8 days.
parker
> > Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain in
> > the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
> > Hospital.
That's a shame but the doc was incompetent and didn't anaesthetize
properly. The same thing would have happend if any doc was doing any
surgery without proper anaesthetics. It's nothing to do with
foreskins as such.
BUT when is Jack going to admit
parker
> > the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
> > Hospital.
That's a shame but the doc was incompetent and didn't anaesthetize
properly. The same thing would have happened if any doc was doing
any
surgery without proper anaesthetics. It's nothing to do with
foreskins as such.
BUT when is Jack going to admit FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER that foreskin
problems cause pain?????
I asked him long ago but he just won't answer:
Drunken fool Jack ----
What about the pain from herpes and warts and all the STDs you
are more likelly to get with a foreskin?
What about the painful death from AIDS you are more likely to get
with a foreskin?
What about the pain from phimosis or paraphimosis where the
foreskin strangles your glans?
What about the pain from cervical cancer women are more likely to
get from a man with a foreskin?
What about the pain being raised as an AIDS orphan because your
daddy had a foreskin and got infected?
What about the pain from having your dick cut off from penile
cancer or dying of it, because you have a foreskin?
What about the pain from UTIs and kidney failure that you are
more likely to get with a foreskin?
I am sorry there might be pain with circumcision but these days if it
is
done properly with topical anaesthethic there is no pain.
But I have NEVER seen YOU or ANY of the foreskin lovers EVER say ONE
word of regret about all the foreskin diseases. EVER.
If you really cared about pain you would be ranting about pain caused
by foreskins.
ProfQ
> On Oct 29, 11:59 am, Jack<furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain in
>>> the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
>>> Hospital.
>
> That's a shame but the doc was incompetent and didn't anaesthetize
> properly. The same thing would have happened if any doc was doing
> any
> surgery without proper anaesthetics. It's nothing to do with
> foreskins as such.
>
> BUT when is Jack going to admit FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER that foreskin
> problems cause pain?????
>
> I asked him long ago but he just won't answer:
>
> Drunken fool Jack ----
>
> What about the pain from herpes and warts and all the STDs you
> are more likelly to get with a foreskin?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
>
> What about the painful death from AIDS you are more likely to get
> with a foreskin?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
>
> What about the pain from phimosis or paraphimosis where the
> foreskin strangles your glans?
This is lack of parental guidance and education in hygiene. If the
foreskin is too tight, it means the child was not educated properly to
draw it back and wash it every day.
>
> What about the pain from cervical cancer women are more likely to
> get from a man with a foreskin?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
>
> What about the pain being raised as an AIDS orphan because your
> daddy had a foreskin and got infected?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
>
> What about the pain from having your dick cut off from penile
> cancer or dying of it, because you have a foreskin?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
>
> What about the pain from UTIs and kidney failure that you are
> more likely to get with a foreskin?
There is no medical evidence to support the above.
> But I have NEVER seen YOU or ANY of the foreskin lovers EVER say ONE
> word of regret about all the foreskin diseases. EVER.
And what about all the deaths incurred through botched circs?
> If you really cared about pain you would be ranting about pain caused
> by foreskins.
Crap, and you know it.
Jake Waskett
> On 2009/12/22 17:59, parker wrote:
>> On Oct 29, 11:59 am, Jack<furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain
>>>> in the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
>>>> Hospital.
>>
>> That's a shame but the doc was incompetent and didn't anaesthetize
>> properly. The same thing would have happened if any doc was doing any
>> surgery without proper anaesthetics. It's nothing to do with foreskins
>> as such.
>>
>> BUT when is Jack going to admit FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER that foreskin
>> problems cause pain?????
>>
>> I asked him long ago but he just won't answer:
>>
>> Drunken fool Jack ----
>>
>> What about the pain from herpes and warts and all the STDs you are more
>> likelly to get with a foreskin?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
Yes, there is.
Here's a systematic review of observational data:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16581731
And here's data from randomised controlled trials:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19321868
>> What about the painful death from AIDS you are more likely to get with
>> a foreskin?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
Yes, there is. Here are some recent reviews of it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19370585
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18316997
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18800244
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
>> What about the pain from phimosis or paraphimosis where the foreskin
>> strangles your glans?
>
> This is lack of parental guidance and education in hygiene. If the
> foreskin is too tight, it means the child was not educated properly to
> draw it back and wash it every day.
You can prove that this is the cause in every single case, can you?
>> What about the pain from cervical cancer women are more likely to get
>> from a man with a foreskin?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
Yes, there is, although it is not as bulletproof as the evidence re HIV,
etc. Here's some of the evidence that, according to ProfQ, does not exist:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8348498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11948269
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12238658
>> What about the pain being raised as an AIDS orphan because your daddy
>> had a foreskin and got infected?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
See above.
>> What about the pain from having your dick cut off from penile cancer or
>> dying of it, because you have a foreskin?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
Here's some of that non-existent medical evidence:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8380060
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10699138
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405332
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15825185
>> What about the pain from UTIs and kidney failure that you are more
>> likely to get with a foreskin?
>
> There is no medical evidence to support the above.
Yes, there is. Here's a systematic review of 12 of these non-existent
studies:
http://www.circs.org/library/singhgrewal/index.html
>> But I have NEVER seen YOU or ANY of the foreskin lovers EVER say ONE
>> word of regret about all the foreskin diseases. EVER.
>
> And what about all the deaths incurred through botched circs?
They're rare, but they do happen, unfortunately.
ProfQ
RARE? Take a look at Africa and RARE becomes EVERY DAY, far too often,
in the last month alone, more than 22 initiates have died from botched
circs. 22 innocent boys who lost their lives to a barbaric practise!
Thanks for the other references, but those are specific studies and not
global. The sample studied is probably a minority anyway.
"Male circumcision is associated with a reduced risk of penile HPV
infection and, in the case of men with a history of multiple sexual
partners, a reduced risk of cervical cancer in their current female
partners". Self-explanatory.
ProfQ
It has not been unequivocally clarified so far how male circumcision
affects the risk of infection of their female sexual partner. There are
very few studies concerning the influence of hygiene of sexual organs on
the risk of acquiring sexual transmitted diseases, including HIV. It
would be advisable to explore those issues before recommending male
circumcision, particularly in those countries where HIV infected women
outnumber HIV-infected men.
QED.
On 2009/12/26 13:43, Jake Waskett wrote:
windinghighway
> >> And what about all the deaths incurred through botched circs?
>
> > They're rare, but they do happen, unfortunately.
>
> RARE? Take a look at Africa and RARE becomes EVERY DAY, far too often,
> in the last month alone, more than 22 initiates have died from botched
> circs. 22 innocent boys who lost their lives to a barbaric practise!
They ARE rare. You are referring to highly illegal circumcisions in
by amateur practitioners during a very brief annual ritual among the
Xhosa in South Africa -- not something they do "every day".
Circumcision is and always has been the most common surgical procedure
on the planet, and it is exceptionally safe. Compare that with the
tens of millions who have died or will die as a result of foreskin
diseases.
> Thanks for the other references, but those are specific studies and not
> global. The sample studied is probably a minority anyway.
In other words, you didnt even read the scientific studies before you
asserted there was no medical evidence about foreskins and various
diseases -- and you havent bothered to read them even now that you
have the information available.
You are a total scientific illiterate -- not surprising, considering
you are a biblical creationist too!
Martin
<k_over...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 9, 12:01�pm, ProfQ <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>I have read up on a number of other sites, not the ones you gave me,
>>about all the foreskin problems, but I have yet to read that "millions"
>>will die as a result of foreskin diseases.
>Of all the people alive on Earth today, I think that 'millions' is
>reasonable. AIDS alone exceeds that.
Are you suggesting that circumcision will prevent millions of deaths
from AIDS?
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15 years and 5 days.
ProfQ
I think that circumcisions in Africa will result in millions more deaths
from AIDS and other STIs because these stupid kaffers will not wait
until they have healed before they have sex, and will go fucking around
just like they usually do. However, as Andrew clearly points out that
"AIDS alone exceeds that", he is obviously referring to the millions of
men who died from when AIDS was discovered until now and they were all
uncircumcised. What a load of crap! I bet that 99% of the American guys
who died of AIDS in the late 1980s were all circumcised.
Circumcision will not stop the transmission of HIV or contracting of
AIDS, whereas good healthy education on hygiene will.
People particularly the kaffers must stop fucking around so much, then
we will see the numbers of transmissions and deaths declining.
Jack
> On Oct 29, 11:59 am, Jack <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Another child, seven-year-old "Patient E" started to yell with pain in
> > > the days after surgery and had a three-day stay in Colchester
> > > Hospital.
>
> That's a shame but the doc was incompetent and didn't anaesthetize
> properly. The same thing would have happend if any doc was doing any
> surgery without proper anaesthetics.
Which is a common practice in infant circumcisions.
Jack
I don't care what men do with their penises. If a man thinks that
cutting the whole damn thing off might save him some future suffering
then that's what he ought to do.