ARNOLD AND LESBIANS
LacyR
Is Arnold gay? Probably not. Does he have sex with gay men?
YES!!! I have been telling everybody (including the press) for years,
but Arnold has slept with so many powerful men over the years, that the
press want touch it. When I gave Spy Magazine the now famous nude of
Arnold, I gave them pictures of Arnold in Spain with Gay millionaire Paco
Arce. One was Arnold and Paco in front of Paco mansion, and the other was
Arnold in his underwear at Paco’s table. Spy described the pictures but
did not publish them. Paco claims he paid Arnold $1,000 in the 1969. A
real bargain, because Merv Griffin had to pay $25,000 and put Arnold on
his talk show to get him in the sack. Arnold bragged on TV that he has an
annual income from his real-estate investments of $25,000,000, and another
25 million from movies. The host did not ask him how he got enough
real-estate to have that kind of income, when he supposedly came here in
1968 with nothing. The answer is, that he bought it with all this tax
free income form prostitution. In the late sixties and early seventies he
was asking $3,000 a lay.
Most of his pals were also “hustling”, and some even made an all
male porno film, which I have a copy. One of them was Roger Callard, who
has appeared in most of Arnold’s movies. In “Red Heat” Roger Played the
bad guy, that was killed by the drag nurse in the hospital. Roger also
got a featured play credit in “Twins” as one of Arnold’s brothers even
though he did not have a speaking part in the movie. So much for the
union. The producer, Ken Sprague, who also starred as Christ having sex
with a priest held down a cross by monks. Ken is given a SPECIAL thank
you in the credits of “Pumping Iron”, check it out for yourselves.
Arnold claims he met Maria at a tennis tournament. What he did
not tell us, was that he was at the match with Maria’s brother, whom Arnie
was having affair in order to social climb. The brother thought that
Arnold would be a great match for his bi-sexual sister. Boy was he right.
The brother uses a gay pimp ( Gary Kahn ) in N. Y. City, to secure the
services of hustlers, which he rents by the day and not he hour, as a
non-Kennedy has to do. Anyone seen Babylon 5 recently. The press will not
touch this!!!
Arnold has always liked to have gay women co-star in movies. An
actress friend of mine was telling me about this actress hitting on her,
while they worked on another picture together. The actress claimed she was
Sarah Douglas’s lover. The actress said Sarah was off having an tryst
with Grace Jones while shooting the second Conan. Sarah later appeared on
Johnny Carson Show, and stated she turned down the part several times,
until she found that Grace was going to be in the movie. She only took
the part to meet Grace. Oscar winner Paul Jabara, later confirmed this
story.
A few years ago I wrote about Arnold’s pal Gigi. I seem that when Arnie
was shooting a movie in Mexico he was flying Gigi down for sex on the
weekends. The girls on the set could not understand, why he was bringing
this plain girl down, when they were all willing and able to help him
commit adulatory. Gigi did not get mad about me printing the story, but
she took exception to the use of the word plain. She really shouldn’t
sleep with the same guy that I do. Remember the gerbil story, and how we
all knew someone, who knew someone ,that knew a nurse, maid or a butler.
I bet the next “knew” story will be of the paramedic who helps Gigi
recover her lost dildo.
For the get a lifers and whyers: Truth and justice should be enough, but
I will post a very detailed
response in the future.
If you want faxes of the picture proof of my stories let me know.
More true rumors to follow, as Herr Schwarzenegger would say “I’ll be
back”.
Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
Bobbie Rivere
: Arnold & The Lesbians & Hustlers
: Is Arnold gay? Probably not. Does he have sex with gay men?
I have cut the rest of this eternally long article. My question is "who
cares"? I guess there are people who are only interested in the steamy
stuff, but I'm not one of them. If Arnold has a lifestyle different from
yours or mine, so what? Why do we continually have to "dig for the
dirt?" Maybe I am naive, but all that stuff is irrelevant to his
performance as a movie star or a bodybuilder. That is where the interest
should lie, not in his sexual orientation. Sorry for the soap box, but
it was a very long, very personal post. Those "sensational" things bore
the hell out of me. Bobbie
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ANONDOC
that it really matters but DO YOU ACTUALLY WRITE FOR ANY MAGAZINE OR
PUBLICATION (or do you just post your drivel in this newsgroup)? I didn't
appreciate your comments about Dan Duchaine. It doesn't matter that he is
a personal friend of mine...you flamed him on the internet for no reason!
What has *HE* ever done to personally wrong you? I told him about your
little posting and I GAVE HIM YOUR NAME & TELEPHONE # (you posted it for
everyone to see!). Just a thought...if you have someone's telephone #
then essentially, tou have their...address. Watch yourself Lacy (No, I am
not threatening you, NOT worth my effort), you're gonna piss the wrong
people off and end up in a world of dung.
bullard
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?
This is a fitness newsgroup, not a gossip newsgroup. Please take your fucking trash elsewhere.
Bill.
Tim Fogarty
>I didn't
> appreciate your comments about Dan Duchaine. It doesn't matter that he is
> a personal friend of mine...you flamed him on the internet for no reason!
You're new to Usenet, aren't you ?
> What has *HE* ever done to personally wrong you? I told him about your
> little posting and I GAVE HIM YOUR NAME & TELEPHONE # (you posted it for
> everyone to see!).
now who's being childish ?
>Just a thought...if you have someone's telephone #
> then essentially, tou have their...address. Watch yourself Lacy (No, I am
> not threatening you, NOT worth my effort), you're gonna piss the wrong
> people off and end up in a world of dung.
Always from AOL.
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Michael W. Lucas
: I have cut the rest of this eternally long article. My question is "who
: stuff, but I'm not one of them. If Arnold has a lifestyle different from
: should lie, not in his sexual orientation. Sorry for the soap box, but
: the hell out of me. Bobbie
Hear, hear. The post didn't have anything to do with fitness; it belongs
on one of the alt.celebrity or alt.whatever newsgroups, with maybe a
one-line posting here saying, "Interested in the truth about Arnold?
Check of the thread yadda yadda on newsgroup alt.blah.blah.blah" in case
anyone's interested enough to go look.
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> Arnold will be gald to know he has nothing to do with fitness. Joe Weider
> will be heart broken.
> Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
Lacy,
What's up with this attack? Did Arnold wrong you in some way? No one is
claiming that he is an angel. These post are getting ridiculous and, unless
they can all be proven, slanderous.I personally couldn't care one way or the
other about Arnold, and even less about Weider. If you hate Arnold, don't
watch his movies!
Peace,
Andy Austin
Dept. of Human Movement Sciences and Education
Football Strength and Conditioning Staff
The University of Memphis
Disclaimer: BLAH BLAH BLAH..........
Garry Holmen
[Tons of useless drivel deleted]
Look Lacy.... this is a fitness forum. Contrary to your beliefs this does
not entail what Arnold does in his spare time (whether or not it's true),
nor how powerful the Kennedy's are, etc.
If you have a fitness contribution please feel free to post away but
when you waste the resources of 1000's of sites across the world for
something that isn't appropriate for this newsgroup you're doing all
of us misc.fitness readers a huge disfavour.
If you want to continue these Hard Copy accusations move it to alt.conspiracy.
At least there you'll be welcomed.... here you are not.
Garry
PS: Invest in a good lawyer while you're at it... the Enquirer has been
sued for less degrees of slander.
Jeff Benensohn
>"This is MISC.FITNESS not FITNESS. Who are you to say what is
>APPROPRIATE. Arnold was Chairman of Presidents Council of Physical
>Fitness. It is relavent.
>Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
What is your major malfunction, LacyR? You are discussing Arnold's
PRIVATE LIFE. That has nothing to do with fitness. You have not
mentioned anything he did in a professional capacity while chairman
of the President's Council, nor have you even mentioned in passing
anything related to bodybuilding. This forum is NOT present for
a discussion on the private lives of every single public figure who
is (or once was) an athelete. That's not fitness, it's gossip.
Maybe you could try to start a misc.atheletes.private-lives.
This forum is unmoderated, so the participants decide what is
appropriate. You have received a huge number of responses from
long-time participants here, and all agree that your discussion does
not belong here. Don't get all defensive; we're not passing
judgement on the validity of your writings, we're only saying they
should be posted elsewhere. Now run along.
JB
Garry Holmen
: Arnold will be gald to know he has nothing to do with fitness. Joe Weider
: will be heart broken.
Arnold may be loosely related to fitness (Not a lot IMHO) if you are
referring to his work outs, his biceps or his diet.
But sexual orientation? Like that has ANYTHING to do with fitness....
Get over Arnold and move on with your life.... and most of all take the
hints of the many people who have already responded to you. Move this
trash else where.
Garry
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bullard
>"This is MISC.FITNESS not FITNESS. Who are you to say what is
>APPROPRIATE. Arnold was Chairman of Presidents Council of Physical
>Fitness. It is relavent.
>Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
Hey, pinhead! Didn't you claim (a dozen or so postings back) that Arnold had nothing to do with fitness? Which side of your modem you gonna' talk out of?
Bill.
Daniel Liebster
real popular,pass on your source of facts or magic mushrooms.
Either would be appreciated, (actually, the source for shrooms
even more).
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LacyR
Barry Merriman
> LacyR (la...@aol.com) wrote:
> : Arnold will be gald to know he has nothing to do with fitness. Joe Weider
> : will be heart broken.
>
> hints of the many people who have already responded to you. Move this
> trash else where.
>
Actually, I think he is doing a service, because folks should
realize what goes on behind the scenes in bodybuilding. Whether
his specific alegations about Arnold are all true I can't say
(but some are---and he didn't even mention Arnold had plastic
surgery to remove his gyno :-), but they are typical of things
that are true of a variety of top bodybuilders (gay prostituition,
drug use and dealing, criminal activity, behind the scenes deals
and politics, contest fixing, and so on, all really does go on
in the high levels of bodybuilding.)
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Daniel Liebster
=YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION.
=Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
You are entitled to back up your claims with facts!
Daniel Liebster
=YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION.
=Lacy H. Rich, Jr. (213) 851-6585
Please include context in your replies.
Robert Spector
woman in Texas.
Can we start a newsgroup for this? Like misc.fitness.gossip?
Max Southall
>Actually, I think he is doing a service, because folks should
>realize what goes on behind the scenes in bodybuilding.
> ... they are typical of things
>that are true of a variety of top bodybuilders (gay prostituition,
>drug use and dealing, criminal activity, behind the scenes deals
>and politics, contest fixing, and so on, all really does go on
>in the high levels of bodybuilding.)
Hey! If they're "typical," that implies that it's probable they're true of
everyone in the strength sports. Even (gasp!) Barry Merriman! Especially
since you seem to know so much about it! (Remember those employment honesty
tests? If you know about dishonesty, it's because you are..!)
Why center this on Arnold? He used to be part of the problem, you're saying,
but he left competition long ago. Let's go after everybody else, too.
That'll serve people even better. Let's name names! The more the better,
rumors OK too, spread 'em as wide as possible, the wildest ones you hear
especially!
I think we can fill in the blanks on your "Periodization Routine" now!
I *love* the sound of flesh burning - witch hunt!!
(Actually, I think it's probably coming, what with the McNeil murder et.
al.)
LacyR
Arnold to sue me if I am lying. Arnold and his PR will probably say it is
beneath him. But that didn't stop him for sueing the widow of a video
projection builder over $18,000 when the man dropped dead before the
$75,000 unit was finished. It took the newspapers to embarass him into
removing the lien from her home. Arnold denied that he even knew that he
sued her. He claimed that it was his staff that hounded her for the
money. The husband did not have enough insurance for her to pay back the
entire amount. She was left penny less and Arnold's lein on her house.
After the newspapers printed the story his PR firm said he was removing
the lein. If he will go after pennyless widows he sure would go after me.
But then he couldn't stand all his buddies from the porno film being
questioned about his past. His lawyers have told him to ignore me. He
also know that he has one year to sue, and I've been printing and saying
this for years. I send him and Parker Public Relations copies.
Hey! If they're "typical," that implies that it's probable they're true of
everyone in the strength sports. Even (gasp!) Barry Merriman! Especially
since you seem to know so much about it! (Remember those employment
honesty
tests? If you know about dishonesty, it's because you are..!)
Why center this on Arnold? He used to be part of the problem, you're
saying,
but he left competition long ago. Let's go after everybody else, too.
That'll serve people even better. Let's name names! The more the better,
rumors OK too, spread 'em as wide as possible, the wildest ones you hear
especially!
I think we can fill in the blanks on your "Periodization Routine" now!
I *love* the sound of flesh burning - witch hunt!!
(Actually, I think it's probably coming, what with the McNeil murder et.
al.)
Barry Merriman
> ba...@starfire.ucsd.edu (Barry Merriman) writes:
>
> >Actually, I think he is doing a service, because folks should
> >realize what goes on behind the scenes in bodybuilding.
> > ... they are typical of things
> >that are true of a variety of top bodybuilders (gay prostituition,
> >drug use and dealing, criminal activity, behind the scenes deals
> >and politics, contest fixing, and so on, all really does go on
> >in the high levels of bodybuilding.)
>
> everyone in the strength sports. Even (gasp!) Barry Merriman! Especially
> since you seem to know so much about it! (Remember those employment honesty
> tests? If you know about dishonesty, it's because you are..!)
>
Well, in my case, its not...but I'm not a top bodybuilder either :-).
My real point is that the sort of things Lacy accuses Arnold
of are the sort of things that go on in the bodybuilding world, so it
wouldn't be that unusual if they were true. Also, I wouldn;t get that worked
up about it. Simply understand that thats the way things are, rather than
the image the muscle mags would like you to perceive.
Max Southall
>Well, in my case, its not...but I'm not a top bodybuilder either :-).
>My real point is that the sort of things Lacy accuses Arnold
>of are the sort of things that go on in the bodybuilding world, so it
>wouldn't be that unusual if they were true.
I've been around the block in Venice a few times. There are people like
that, among those who try and don't make it even more than those who
succeed. That there are those involved in male prostitution doesn't mean
that most do it by any means. You don't have to be a bodybuilder to do that,
and the vast majority of hustlers aren't bodybuilders.
Schwarzenegger always had a savvy that enabled him to achieve success in
more prosaic and societally acceptable ways.
It would be pretty hard in today's society not to run into open homosexuals,
especially in LA and the entertainment business. If you're a bodybuilder,
some are going to be attracted and see if it can be made reciprocal. I lived
in Venice in the early seventies and I didn't see anything that leads me to
believe what this Lacy character says is particularly accurate as applied to
the specific individuals he's named. In any gym there's going to be a wide
range of types, from people who can politely be called criminals all the way
to individuals with a great deal of integrity.
And nobody's so perfect that you couldn't say something bad about them, you
and me included. More to the point, there's nothing that couldn't be said
about someone if the person saying it is unethical enough. This Lacy
character is somewhat unhinged, as is apparent from the tenor of what he
writes, even if you're unfamiliar with the facts, which in many cases he
plays fast and loose with. Extrapolating falsehoods from half truths is
devilish work.
> Also, I wouldn;t get that worked up about it. Simply understand that thats
> the way things are, rather than the image the muscle mags would like you
> to perceive.
The muscle mags don't present an entirely appealing image. The sleaziness of
many, though by no means all in the field, is readily apparent. But, that's
entertainment!
Corruption is true of every area of human endeavor, from sports to business
to politics. Lacy claims his impetus for his "expose" is Schwarzenegger's
supposed entry into politics. Now that's irony. The field of politics makes
bodybuilding's pecadillos look like a bunch of schoolchild tantrums, and
Schwarzenegger would look a comparative angel should he desire to enter that
milieu.
I think Lacy's supposed "public duty" is the last refuge of a scoundrel with
very personal interests.
I have happened to witness the very great difficulty that false accusations
have caused for a personal friend who owns a gym business, even at his
advanced age. Someone who was caught in the act of theft decided to get
revenge by destroying his business by spreading false accusations which
eventually did cause both personal and physical suffering, and financial
misfortune, because they were cleverly and maliciously done.
You know, it's not for nothing that one of the Ten Commandments is "You
shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Somehow, Lacy's diatribe seems motivated by a whole lot of that sort of
thing: jealousy of what another has, hatred, revenge, etc. He ought to
remember that more people than those he "accuses" could be hurt by what he
says, and that what he is doing harms his own character, irrevocably.
Olga Hernandez
Olga
Michael W. Lucas
non-pertinent material with attention.
Kerstin U
Liisa Laine
: Lacy, have the Aliens called you home yet?
: Kerstin U
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Kerstin:
Even his home planet, Paranoia,located in the Delusional galaxy, doesn't want
him back. In fact, that is why he was stranded here in the first place...
Liisa