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Tachyon--A Scam or For Real?

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Ellen Kessler

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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Just heard some claims for Tachyon on a TV talk show, promising a way to
"harness the energy that's around us all the time for better health and
performance." Evidently tachyon is a term used in physics to describe
energy that's faster than light.

Has anyone had any experience with these products?
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Ellen Kessler | "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
e...@panix.com | - Dan Quayle -


Dave Newton

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e...@panix.com (Ellen Kessler) wrote:
>Just heard some claims for Tachyon on a TV talk show, promising a way to
>"harness the energy that's around us all the time for better health and
>performance." Evidently tachyon is a term used in physics to describe
>energy that's faster than light.

I've found that if one works out wearing a 'pyramid hat' that his/her
stamina is increased approximately 20-35%. They also keep my razor blades
much sharper.

;)

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Scott Workinger

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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In article <3qv1br$3...@panix.com>, e...@panix.com (Ellen Kessler) writes:
|> Just heard some claims for Tachyon on a TV talk show, promising a way to
|> "harness the energy that's around us all the time for better health and
|> performance." Evidently tachyon is a term used in physics to describe
|> energy that's faster than light.
|>
|> Has anyone had any experience with these products?
|> --
|> Ellen Kessler | "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
|> e...@panix.com | - Dan Quayle -
|>

Tachyons are a theoretical construct of Western Physics. Essentially, they
are speculated to exist because nothing in our existing knowledge of Physics
rules them out. They are also quite thoroughly unobservable, at least by
existing methods. The objects sold in the alternative health care market as
"Tachyons" simply have not been proven to have anything to do with what a
physicist would refer to as a tachyon nor is there even the most tenuous
basis within physics to think that there might be a connection. Whether they
have some beneficial effect is another matter. However, the manner of chosing
the label under which these objects is sold evokes a rather natural scepticism
regarding other claims by their purveyors.

Regards,

Scott

Thought for the day:

The marketing genius who invented "Pet Rocks" never claimed that
they were anything other than ordinary rocks, but he made a small
fortune because people enjoyed the joke.

Mark Thorson

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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In article <3qv3h2$i...@jupiter.wichitaks.hmpd.com>,

Dave Newton <david....@symbios.com> wrote:
> I've found that if one works out wearing a 'pyramid hat' that his/her
>stamina is increased approximately 20-35%. They also keep my razor blades
>much sharper.

Yeah, but you have to keep the hat level and orthoganol to the Earth's
magnetic field. Who can do that all day? Much better is to shape the
surrounding structure into a pyramid, which is why you see so many
pyramid-shaped homes and office buildings in Berkeley. It's quite a
sight to behold from the freeway. From a distance they look like tents,
as though a Native American village had been plopped down in the middle
of the urban environment.:-)


BODYOPUS

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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Well, tachyon works!!!
It will increase your stamina by 30%+ BUT.....
Only if you consume it with "Super String Theory Brand Cosmic Muscle
Enhancer". Of course, the whole shebang is for nought unless you have
an excess of charmed quarks. To my knowledge, the magnetic field of the
Earth has little to do with it. So skip the pyramid hats.
You might also benefit from a 'way cool' new supplement that
Dan Duchain & I co-discovered just this morning. But SSSsssshhhhhh!!!!
Keep it a secret, okay??? Promise??? Good.
Go out and collect as much cattle manure as possible. But you should be
selective and only get manure from bulls (males).
There is a potent steroid in manure called "Bullshitosterone".
That is the hormone that causes bulls to grow horns and stuff.
Bullshitosterone has an androgen: analbolic ratio higher than that of
even primobolan so in small amounts even women can use it!!!
All you have to do is to chew on about am ounce of bull doo-doo as thus
typically contains 10-15mg of bullshitosterone.

Good luck! BODYOPUS :)

PS: I have some cool ocean front property in Nevada for sale....

t...@forecast.com

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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In article <3qv1br$3...@panix.com>, <e...@panix.com> writes:

> Just heard some claims for Tachyon on a TV talk show, promising a
way to
> "harness the energy that's around us all the time for better health
and
> performance." Evidently tachyon is a term used in physics to
describe
> energy that's faster than light.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with these products?
> --
> Ellen Kessler | "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of
failure."
> e...@panix.com | - Dan Quayle -
>
>

COMMENT:
If you put on a bunch of beads at important Acupuncture
meridian points, you may find a tremendous difference
after 24-48 hours. Fatigue, enervation, sleepiness,
general unease may be experienced. This can happen to
a normally healthy person. According to Tachyon, this
is the so-called beneficial "healing crisis". Whether
this is true is hard to say, but the effects can be so
dramatic that you may remove all the beads, and may not
care to try them on again. Strange how innocuous
ceramic (glass-like) beads can do such dramatic and
unusual things to the human body. Would have checked
them for all known electromagnetic emissions and absorptions
if instruments were available, and also checked for
possible chemical effects.

Anyone with the aforesaid experience or care to shed
light on the above?

T.K.
t...@forecast.com


Rifle River

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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In Article <eeeD9p...@netcom.com>, e...@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:
>In article <3qv3h2$i...@jupiter.wichitaks.hmpd.com>,
>Dave Newton <david....@symbios.com> wrote:
>> I've found that if one works out wearing a 'pyramid hat' that his/her
>>stamina is increased approximately 20-35%. They also keep my razor blades
>>much sharper.

Does this eliminate the need for regular hair cuts?

>Yeah, but you have to keep the hat level and orthoganol to the Earth's
>magnetic field. Who can do that all day?

But if you can't then you're not using proper form, which is probably why
most people aren't seeing results.

:->

Rifle River
jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu

Hookt awn fonix werkt fore me!

Michael W. Lucas

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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I'm making the big assumption that a photon IS a particle, and that that
particle does indeed travel at the speed of light. Now: at any given
moment there are subatomic particles orbiting the nucleus, right? So at
any given moment, (let's say) half of them are movving away from the
particle's motion and half are moving in the same direction of the
particle. But to get to the front on the photon, the subatomic particle
has to travel *faster* than the photon for a brief period, correct?
(Think of the higher winds on the south side of a hurricane.)

So how th' heck did they pull the sub-atomic particles off at *just* the
right time, so's they could put 'em in a protein drink? The Weider
Exclusion Principle? (Don't laugh, he might try to kick Pauli out, if
there's money to be made in tachyon fitness. ) :)


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bullard

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Jun 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/7/95
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This probably belongs on the sci.physics.geek newsgroup, but I must
comment that this whole thread has me apalled (sp?) at the heinous misuse
of physics terminology.

>>Yeah, but you have to keep the hat level and orthoganol to the Earth's
>>magnetic field. Who can do that all day?

???? Orthogonality is a property of mathematical functions and vectors,
not structures. Don't you mean "normal" to the magnetic field?

>I'm making the big assumption that a photon IS a particle, and that that
>particle does indeed travel at the speed of light. Now: at any given
>moment there are subatomic particles orbiting the nucleus, right?

Well, sort of. It's a packet of energy that exhibits particle-like and
wave like behavior. But a photon most definitely DOES NOT have a
nucleus with electrons orbiting it! In fact, to get truly geeky, the
term "orbit" is used only because there's no concise way to describe it.
In fact, the electron has nor "orbits", just a set of defined energy
states that determine it's probablility of being located a certain distance
from the nucleus.

Dammit, people! If you studied your Quantum Mechanics as much as you studied
Flex magazine, you'd all be...well, geeks like me! :) Now that the egghead
has ruined everyone's joke, it's time to get back to the books.

Bill.

Barry Merriman

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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In article <3r50hn$9...@nps.navy.mil> bul...@physics.nps.navy.mil (bullard)
writes:

I hate to be pedantic---but dammit, its a USENET tradition....


>
> >>Yeah, but you have to keep the hat level and orthoganol to the Earth's
> >>magnetic field. Who can do that all day?
>
> ???? Orthogonality is a property of mathematical functions and vectors,
> not structures. Don't you mean "normal" to the magnetic field?
>

I don't know what variant of the english language you study in, but
back when I got my degrees in math and physics, normal and orthogonal
meant exactly the same thing, and both would certainly apply to any
pair of objects with which there could be associated some direction
(or, more generally, element of a hilbert space).
:-)

--
Barry Merriman
UCSD Fusion Energy Research Center
UCLA Dept. of Math
bmer...@fusion.ucsd.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)

BODYOPUS

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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>...Weider Exclusion Principle....

Why yes, The Weider Exclusion Principle....heard of it?

Joe Weider claims he discovered it in 1968 (Joe discovered everything
he is my hero). I think it goes a little bit like this....

************Weider Exclusion Principle******************

Nothing in bodybuilding can be accurately measured except for my
accomplishments, which are so massive, that they collapsed into
themselves to form a black hole (aka The IFBB).
This extremely DENSE organization is so strong that if you are a
bodybuilder or promoter & you do not have Weider backing, you do
not exist in the known universe (a reverse event horizon phenomenon).
And thus, you are EXCLUDED from just about every major bodybuilding
magazine.

Thus we have The Weider Exclusion Principle :)

BODYOPUS

Bob Ginsberg

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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Sounds like Tachyon is another item straight from PT Barnums
supply of "sucker items."

--
Bob

Michael W. Lucas

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Jun 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/9/95
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And just like the Pauli Exclusion Principle, anything that you can see
must by definition not be real, true, or accurate. :)

But anyway.. what if that stuff really IS made of tachyons? Would you
glow in the dark if you used it? Not to say that couldn't be useful.
The gym would let you train free at night, it'd save on their electric
bills. What if it gave you gas? You could carry a can of beans and rent
yourself out as a light show. I must purchase some Tachyon right away!

Bill Whedon

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Jun 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/10/95
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In article <3r8mkn$h...@huron.eel.ufl.edu>,

Michael W. Lucas <afn0...@freenet.ufl.edu> wrote:
>And just like the Pauli Exclusion Principle, anything that you can see
>must by definition not be real, true, or accurate. :)
>
>But anyway.. what if that stuff really IS made of tachyons? Would you
>glow in the dark if you used it? Not to say that couldn't be useful.
>The gym would let you train free at night, it'd save on their electric
>bills. What if it gave you gas? You could carry a can of beans and rent
>yourself out as a light show. I must purchase some Tachyon right away!
>
Gosh, Michael, you've missed the best possibility of all! It might even
speed you up so fast you'd be able to run back in time and snatch all
those Snickers bars away from yourself, so you wouldn't get fat in the
first place! Hmmmmm! I could _use_ something like that! It'd save
me all of the 1992-1993 aerobics classes I had to do to get back in
shape after gaining that 60! 'course, then I wouldn't be teaching
aerobics... :( Maybe it's not so good, after all.
Bill Whedon

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Michael W. Lucas

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Jun 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/10/95
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Even at 6'2", 235, I wouldn't exactly call myself, "fat"... and believe
me, the likes of "snickers" bars RARELY find their way into my body!

Milec, E.

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Jun 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/11/95
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Sorry to be redundant, but isn't Tachyon a bit too "Trekie" to be real.
This is just in case someone else thought of this quip before I did.

bullard

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Jun 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/11/95
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>But anyway.. what if that stuff really IS made of tachyons? Would you
>glow in the dark if you used it?

You couldn't glow in the dark - you'd be going faster than the speed of light,
so before you could radiate, you'd be long gone, and no light source would
be visible.

Another thought - they say you shouldn't workout for more that 45min - 1 hour
at a time. If you're working out faster than light, time dilation would be
so enourmous, and you could finish workouts in a matter of seconds. Of course,
you'd look pretty squashed and distorted in the gym.

Bill.


BKneller

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Jun 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/12/95
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Uhhhh.....great idea!!! Let's end the thread RIGHT NOW as it does not
belong
in this newsgroup anymore :)

Michael W. Lucas

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Jun 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/12/95
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No, I don't think so. The newsgroup (misc.fitness) is staggering down the
information sidestreet with a knife in its chest, wondering what the hell
hit it-- very very film noir, if you ask me, but still. Anything we can
to do make its last days more comfortable, is okay by me.

Scott Pedersen

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Jun 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/13/95
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In article <3r2agt$l...@huron.eel.ufl.edu> afn0...@freenet.ufl.edu (Michael W. Lucas) writes:
>I'm making the big assumption that a photon IS a particle, and that that
>particle does indeed travel at the speed of light. Now: at any given
>moment there are subatomic particles orbiting the nucleus, right?

No, you're thinking of an atom.

>So at any given moment, (let's say) half of them are movving away from the
>particle's motion and half are moving in the same direction of the
>particle. But to get to the front on the photon, the subatomic particle
>has to travel *faster* than the photon for a brief period, correct?

No, even if you're talking about an atom, the electrons are just a field
around the nucleus, with a statistical probability of "being" at a particular
location in the field at a given time.

SP

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