Regarding steroids and bodybuilding...
malf...@news.delphi.com
Just some more wood for the fire here regarding the prevalence of steroids
in bodybuilding today. In the October 1994 issue of 'Muscilar Development'
(not one of my favourites, but thats not the issue), Mike Quinn repeatedly
refers to steroids and often talks about retiring to get off 'drugs'
Consider:
Referring to the 1990 Mr. Olympia contest he notes: "It was drug tested. I
should have cheated, everybody else did."
Even Better:
MD:"Why are you retiring?"
Quinn:"Because I want to start using my brain and I don't want to
take drugs anymore" ... "The years I didn't use anything in the WBF I was
a much easier person to get along with."
In fact, whoever conducting the interview went even further by asking:
MD:"So what are the negatives of being clean?"
Quinn:"You can't be as big or hard"
So, I guess steroids are STILL being used. Bob Paris came to my college a
few years ago and when queried about them said, rather honestly, that
its almost impossible to get to the top without them. He never acknowledged
that he had gone that route though.
Also, I know that Sharon Bruneau has admitted to using sterioids in
preparation for the 1989 Canadian Nationals, but after weighing 170
pounds, has since been a staunch advocate against them. She has also
mentioned that they are still far too prevalent in women's bodybuilding
as well. Probably why she has also taken up fitness contests as well. For the
record, I think that her physique is far more impressive than that of a
Kim Chizevsky for example. But enough.
Steroids are used quite extensively I guess and despite the claims of Joe
Weider who likes to call it a natural sport, I guess he's one heck of
a salesman.
Bob.
Tim
> Steroids are used quite extensively I guess and despite the claims of Joe
> Weider who likes to call it a natural sport, I guess he's one heck of
> a salesman.
>
> Bob.
What the Weider clan (666) wants is for all the bodybuilders in their
magazines to have pumped-up steroid-induced physiques and for those
physiques to say "Weider MEGA-MASS (or whatever Weider supplement)
built my body and it can do the same for you." The Weider clan (666)
wants to keep steroids out of the hands of the common people (by legislation,
scare tactics, etc.) and to simultaneously brainwash them into thinking that
they can get near the same results using Weider supplements.
The Weiders (666) and the rest of the supplement companies are in a war
-- and thar war is for your money. They'll do whatever they think they
can get away with (lie) to get your buck$.
Lates!
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Tim <body...@netcom.com>
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>In article <36iu6m$d...@news.delphi.com>,
>> Steroids are used quite extensively I guess and despite the claims of Joe
>> Weider who likes to call it a natural sport, I guess he's one heck of
>> a salesman.
Well sex sells (obviously). Hey wouldn't you want a gorgeous babe on
each arm? And of course the only way to get that is to be a beast
like those guys (according to Joe). Since I know Ronbo is not only a Trekki
but a Star Wars groupie, I would make this analogy:
Joe Weider is the evil Emperor - he represents the dark side of the force
Fred Hatfield - he's Darth Vader. He will do whatever the evil Emperor
says.
The dark side of the Force is very strong. So who represents the Light
side? Who is Luke Skywalker?
But I know Ronbo is Chewbacca judging by how hairy he is (when he doesn't
shave his body).
I gotta think of a better analogy. Okay Trekkie analogy:
Joe Weider is head of the Romulan Empire. And Fred Hatfield is the Commander
of all the forces of the empire.
Okay, this is working. The Romulans are very sneaky and pull alot of scams,
just like the Weider Empire.
Mike Stone is head of the Klingon Empire. Violence is the solution to
everything. Rrrrr..... But there is dissension within the NSCA, oops I mean
Klingon empire. Civil war will break out. You have the HITers and the old
guard on opposite sides. But Stone has a tight reign over the NSCA, you
only see what they allow you to see. Revisionist history, just like the
Klingon Emperor.
The Federation consists of people from m.f. who are fighting the scams and
stupidity of the two evil empires. Rob is Jean Luc Picard (just add alot
of hair). Ronbo is Worf (obviously). I am Riker (because I have the beard).
Data is ummm, David Maurice (because he can compute velocity-torque curves
in his head).
Now, Barry is Kirk. Kirk and Picard don't get along very well, but they
are really fighting on the same side.
Bill is ummmm, geez, I don't know any more characters, except that guy
in Engineering, Geordi. If Bill wears psychadelic glasses this will work.
There you go. The Federation wants peace, but keeps getting threatened by
the two evil empires. Okay, I can't think of any more, but since Ronbo
is the Trekki I'm sure he could.
>
>What the Weider clan (666) wants is for all the bodybuilders in their
That's the Weider Empire. Is '666' a subliminal message? Wait I forgot
about Jones/Darden/Mentzer. I have no idea where to put them. Hey, wait
a minute the Weider Empire could be the Ferengi! Yeah, since the Ferengi
do everything just to make profit just like Weider and don't give a damn
what it takes. Ahhhh, this is getting too complicated.
>magazines to have pumped-up steroid-induced physiques and for those
>physiques to say "Weider MEGA-MASS (or whatever Weider supplement)
>built my body and it can do the same for you." The Weider clan (666)
>wants to keep steroids out of the hands of the common people (by legislation,
I don't know about that. I think Weider realizes that alot of people know
these guys are roiding. Hey, Hatfield publicly came out in around '84
and said "You why people take 'roids? Because they're tired of being wimps."
That went over really well ;). Hatfield admits to using steroids for years.
So after he made that comment, he said that there is an "alternative, more
powerful than steroids". Guess what that was? Joe Weider's Anabolic Mega
Paks. Big trouble for Weider when he said that. FDA put the clamps on
him.
>scare tactics, etc.) and to simultaneously brainwash them into thinking that
>they can get near the same results using Weider supplements.
Yeah, and when they don't, what do they do? Resort to drugs. So I agree
with Bill Phillips. The blame for the "steroid problem" lies alot with
Weider. He glamorizes his "champs" and how they should be our role models.
We should look like them, right? Only way to get even close is to resort
to 'roids. Even then if you don't have the genetics, you'll never be as
uuuuggggg as those guys. So that's where the real abuse of 'roids IMHO comes
in. Guys are never satisfied with their size. They have to get BIG! So
they start stacking things together, taking growth hormone, mixing every
possible drug together. I don't think anyone here will argue with me that
that is not safe. That's how Mohammed Benazia (sp?) died. His body was
just full of every drug in existence. Remember when Al Beckles keeled over
and had to be taken to the hospital because he took insulin injections?
It's just gotten nuts out there, IMO. I know guys who have taken 'roids here.
One guy won a regional contest. But he didn't go nuts stacking everything
and taking huge dosages. He used the "cycling" method, i.e., six weeks on,
six weeks off. When he's not training for a contest, he doesn't juice.
I remember saying to these guys when I was really tempted to take roids a
couple years back (I never did fortunately) that I only wanted to do "one
cycle" because I knew that best gains come from your first cycle. Then
you get the law of diminishing returns. The guys started laughing. They
said to me: "You know how many guys say they'll do only one cycle? It's
never one cycle". Hey, I don't know if that's true, but it makes sense to
me. As Ronbo said, when you get so uuugggg so fast, it must be so tough
psychologically to get off the stuff and get major shrinkage.
>
>The Weiders (666) and the rest of the supplement companies are in a war
>-- and thar war is for your money. They'll do whatever they think they
>can get away with (lie) to get your buck$.
Well, I hope the Federation has a chance against the evil empire, but somehow
I doubt it. People will always be looking for that magic bullet, that pill
that will make them like Arnold. It pisses some of us off (like Bill as
you can see from his last post - uh, Tim that was a joke he wrote), that
people are still scammed into believing in "anabolic" supplements.
There ain't no such animal. The thing that bothers me, is the teens out
there who are 'roiding. The number in high schools is increasing. When I was
in high school NOBODY would take steroids. Now, it's a different story.
That's what worries me the most - the young teenage guys, who start 'roiding.
There's too much potential for abuse there. Maybe steroids should be made
legal, and then you won't have to rely on the "Steroid Underground" for info.
I don't know what the answer is. Like I said (so many times in the past but
people don't seem to get it) I don't condemn steroid users. If I did, I
wouldn't be alive right now, as I've been friends with these guys. There
is a grave potential for abuse, I don't think anybody can deny that. You
can get really carried away with it, as one guy I know did, and screw yourself
up royally. Or, as I think Ronbo said, you'll end up okay.
What complicates things is that 'roids are illegal. So not only do you have
to weigh the cost/benefit ratio health-wise (well, they certainly don't help
your health, I guess the better term would be cost to your health/benefit
cosmetically ratio), but you have to factor in the risk of going to jail.
Add to that, you might end up buying counterfeit stuff, and really screw
yourself up.
I believe in individual choice. With everything. As long as you don't hurt
anybody else, you should be allowed to do whatever you want. So I would
legalize steroids. Hey, cigarettes will kill you, but that hasn't been
overblown by the media IMO like the risks of steroid use. And that IMO
is another problem. People have come to realize that no, your not going
to ooze green blood from taking roids. So people ignore the warnings. So
maybe they should have warnings on the packages, just like cigarettes do
in Canada.
By the same token I would legalize *all* drugs, including cocaine, marijuana,
everything.
Hey, that's just my opinion, and I don't want to argue about it. I'm just
saying (in a Rube Goldberg way) that freedom of choice should be absolute,
as long as you don't hurt somebody else. Of course, I have friends which
would disagree with me about that (the word "absolutes" always brings Rob
to mind). C'est la vie.
That's my IMO and as a believer in the freedom of speech being absolute, I'm
entitled to it.
P.
DGray
highly upon the mystique that steriods create. That mystique is
that if you just take the right majik stuff that you will grow
huge, fast and without too much hard work. That mystique sells a
whompin bunch of supplements and magazines. Steriods work,
supplements, if they work at all, are way more expensive and do
not do nearly as much. But Weider and company are such good
salesmen that even I have been known to pop a supplement pill
with a protien shake now and then. :-)
Michael Air Jordan
>Weider may like to call it a "Natural" sport but he depends
contests specially for natural bodybuilding such as Musclemania
in which you have to be at least steroid-free at least for one
year prior to the contest.... It is obvious that Monsters like
Dorian Yates, Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Paul Dillet take steroids
Weider and company doesn't like that to be known...
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Lyle McDonald
> NAtural bodybuilding is bodybuilding without steroids, there are
> contests specially for natural bodybuilding such as Musclemania
> in which you have to be at least steroid-free at least for one
> year prior to the contest.... It is obvious that Monsters like
call yourself natural. Yes, you probably do lose most (if not all)
of the positive effects of steroid use after one year, but are
you technically natural if you've used previously. And, knowing
how easy it is to pass drug tests (anyway), does it really matter?
Lyle McDonald