body proportions
Brad Matthew Martz
bodybuilder.
Ramesh Panwar
>I would apprecite any info regarding the proportions of a well-developed
>bodybuilder.
one of the legends in his prime had the following:
chest 57
arms 22
waist 31
thighs 28
calves 20
height 6-2
weight 245
Richard Jasper
: chest 57
: arms 22
: waist 31
: thighs 28
: calves 20
: height 6-2
: weight 245
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
On the other hand, Mike Francois, who reputedly competes at 242 lbs. at
5'8 1/2" (about 5 or 6 inches *shorter* than Arnold), is said to have a
57 inch chest, 33 inch waist, 31 inch thighs and 21 inch biceps.
uwaa...@cc.memphis.edu
himself to a chemically induced, genetic freak. If you want proportion, look at
Steve Reeves, Frank Zane,Sly Stallone or someone like that. The most important
measure of proportion comes not from a chart or formula, but what you see in
the mirror every day. I don't have 21 inch biceps like Mike Francois. However,
I also don't have gynecomastia like Mike Francois.
Peace,
Andy
paul_bearer
Richard Jasper <lib...@unix.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>Otherwise known as...
>
>: chest 57
>: arms 22
>: waist 31
>: thighs 28
>: calves 20
>
>: height 6-2
>: weight 245
>
>Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Bzzzt! Can't be him. Why you ask? Because Ahnold's top competition wt.
was 235lbs, and he *never* had even close to 22" arms. Some promos said
they were even 23". Nope. Accurately measured (with a slight pump) Arnold's
largest arm size was 19 7/8".
>
>On the other hand, Mike Francois, who reputedly competes at 242 lbs. at
>5'8 1/2" (about 5 or 6 inches *shorter* than Arnold), is said to have a
>57 inch chest, 33 inch waist, 31 inch thighs and 21 inch biceps.
>
>
Here we go with the exaggerated measurements again. How many competition
bodybuilders *really* have 20" arms? How many in *history* have?
Let's see, there may be others but the only guys accurately measured
at 20" or over that I know of are:
Ed Robinson (Right arm, 20", left slightly less)
Sergio Oliva, 5'10", 235lbs, IMHO the best proportioned bodybuilder
of all time! Around 20 3/8" arm
Ray Mentzer, 260lbs, 20 5/8" arm at his peak. Never made the 21" barrier,
and he was of course heavier than Sergio so the arm didn't "look" as big.
Jusep Wilcocz (no idea how to spell that one) 20 1/8", also heavier than
Sergio.
Can't think of anyone else who actually had their arm measured over
20" WHO WAS UNDER 300LBS.
No question in my mind, Lou Ferrigno's were >20", but nobody ever measured.
And the over 300lbers who aren't competitive bodybuilders who have over
20" arms I can think of are:
Bill Kazmaier, Somewhere around 22", but I remember his forearms were an
awesome 17" - bigger than most people upper arms.
Hmmm, there were some others, but I can't remember off-hand. The largest
was 23" and the guy weighed something like 340lbs. "The Man" claims to
have a 25" arm (actually I just saw it was now claimed at 26"). I'd say
for sure over 21" but not 25". Never been accurately measured as far
as I know.
So the odds of a bodybuilder having a 20" arm if he's less than 300lbs
are pretty slim. Just look at Arnold's arm in peak condition.
His were under 20". So how many bodybuilders do you see with arms
bigger than Arnold, or Sergio?
One of the Mr. Olympia winners (I think it was Frank Zane) had a competition
arm measurement of 16 3/4". But because he was so defined it looked bigger.
Sorry, that's the way it is SO DEAL WITH IT!
Now I just *know* whose going to argue with me on this one. Yes, I'm
just getting so sexually turned on thinking about it. It turns me
on to argue with a guy on a newsgroup. Now shut up with that crap!
Bunch of plebeians quagmired in their own sea of hypocrisy. Blah!
Paul B. Badd
William A. Piche
These guys not only stretch arm measurements, but I believe they also stretch
height. Example: Mike Francois for example is NOT 5'8 and 1/2 inches. He
is really 5'6". How do I know this? Well, I talked to him in person at
the Mr. O contest and stood right next to him. A picture was taken with him
and in the pic it is obvious he is about 3 or 4 inches shorter than I am (I
am 5'9").
--
Bill Piche (bap...@pobox.cca.rockwell.com)
Richard Jasper
: >are pretty slim. Just look at Arnold's arm in peak condition.
: >His were under 20". So how many bodybuilders do you see with arms
: >bigger than Arnold, or Sergio?
Which is fine but is it possible that if they're measuring incorrectly
they're all pretty much measuring incorrectly the same way? If you lined
up Arnold, Sergio, Mike Francois, Paul Dillet, Lou Ferrigno and so forth,
isn't it likely to be the case that even if there arms aren't the size
that they claim they're arms altogether are in proportion to the claims
put forth? What difference does it make whether they're 20, 21, 22, 23 or
18, 19, 20 and 21?
Edward Kuspiel
>
>: >So the odds of a bodybuilder having a 20" arm if he's less than 300lbs
>: >are pretty slim. Just look at Arnold's arm in peak condition.
>: >His were under 20". So how many bodybuilders do you see with arms
>: >bigger than Arnold, or Sergio?
>
>Which is fine but is it possible that if they're measuring incorrectly
>they're all pretty much measuring incorrectly the same way?
What is the correct way to measure upper arms and other body parts
like forearms and chest? Is there a 'standard' method?
Ed K.
kus...@bms.com
Bud Beacham
>Richard Jasper <lib...@unix.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>>Otherwise known as...
>>
>>: chest 57
>>: arms 22
>>: waist 31
>>: thighs 28
>>: calves 20
>>
>>: height 6-2
>>: weight 245
>>
>>Arnold Schwarzenegger.
>
31" waist? Can this be true? I'm 6' 3" and when I started working out
I was 180 lbs with a 34" waist. Now I made it to 220 lbs and still have
a 34" waist. How can I get it to 31"?
bud
just an acorn
>
>31" waist? Can this be true? I'm 6' 3" and when I started working out
>I was 180 lbs with a 34" waist. Now I made it to 220 lbs and still have
>a 34" waist. How can I get it to 31"?
How about having a rib surgically removed and wearing a corset?
This method does work to reduce waist size, but there are
side effects like fainting and low endurance for any activity,
let alone something as strenuous as exercise.
Why do you want a 31" waist?
Unless the stuff around your middle is fat, I wouldn't be optimistic
about your getting a smaller waist. In fact, inlight of your gaining
40 pounds and not an inch on your waist, I would doubt that you
have anything that is spurious that could be whittled from your
waist.
--
Jennifer oak...@netcom.com
Keith R. Smith
Hi Bud!
The lower limit of your waist size is pretty well fixed by your choice
of parents. If you are notably lacking in "love handles" or paunch
or "spare tire", then the odds are likely that your waist is about
as small as it should be. After you account for genetics, all that
is left that affects your waist size is pudge and posture. If the posure
is good and the pudge is nominal (nominal as opposed to minimal.....
maybe you feel stronger and more energetic at 12%bf than at 4-6%),
who cares what the tale of the tape is? If your posture and bodyfat
are reasonable, then the last thing that you can do is wear a snug belt
and eat 5 or 6 small meals, rather than 3 big ones. The belt reminds you
to suck in a bit, and also reminds you if you overeat at a given meal.
If you do either, the belt will get damn uncomfortable. As your waistline
gets smaller over time (weeks), then snug the belt down a notch. Over time,
your waistline will approach your genetic minimum, at which point, any further
attempts at snugging will only make the skin about your upper pelvis raw.
If you do not have a gut, then the top of your pelvis forms about 3/5
of your waistline, as measured just-below the obliques.
Keith R
an10...@anon.penet.fi
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|> Bzzzt! Can't be him. Why you ask? Because Ahnold's top competition wt.
|> was 235lbs, and he *never* had even close to 22" arms.
<sigh> That *was* Arnold, Paulmeister. 235, 245, who cares. I always
thought of Arnold as being 240-245. The guy was about 6'2'' for pete's sake
(although he didn't have the legs of today's pros, but he had more fat).
I think at his heaviest, he may have been even a little more.
But anyway, I digest...
|> >On the other hand, Mike Francois, who reputedly competes at 242 lbs. at
|> >5'8 1/2" (about 5 or 6 inches *shorter* than Arnold), is said to have a
|> >57 inch chest, 33 inch waist, 31 inch thighs and 21 inch biceps.
>
|> Here we go with the exaggerated measurements again. How many competition
|> bodybuilders *really* have 20" arms? How many in *history* have?
...
|> Hmmm, there were some others, but I can't remember off-hand. The largest
|> was 23" and the guy weighed something like 340lbs. "The Man" claims to
|> have a 25" arm (actually I just saw it was now claimed at 26"). I'd say
|> for sure over 21" but not 25". Never been accurately measured as far
|> as I know.
|> Sorry, that's the way it is SO DEAL WITH IT!
"Stop yelling!" [ guess the impression ]
|> Now I just *know* whose going to argue with me on this one.
That would be me (I think).
Paul, I seriously think you're quagmired in a sea of flabbiness and
minisculity (word?) ...
For the life of me, I don't know why you refuse to believe that someone
can have a 20 inch arm. I said it before in one post (in a.s.w ? don't
even know if it reached the world yet), that either a) there aren't many
large Canadians (except, of course, for Gary Bartlett's wet dream Bruce
Patterson, who has been mega-hyped in every issue of MMI), or b) you don't
train in a gym with any large guys (or girls - hey, ever see Tina Lockwood's
arms!)
Even at my staggering massiveness (much sarcasm there folx - I'm not Uncle
Buff), my arms tape in at 16 3/4 to 16 7/8. My partner (same height as I
am) is easily 18 (but the bastard won't let me get an exact reading). And
the point is that our arms (well, esp. my arms) don't look like *anything*
compared to those guys, as far as size goes.
Re: Manfred, I believe that it was verified that his arms are 25".
At least, that's what one of the gossip columnists said. Besides, as I've
told you before in email, it's not too hard a thing to believe when you
consider a) The sheer height and size of the guy, b) the relatively larger
than proportionate size of his arms. In other words, because of his physical
size and height, his arms are going to be alot larger than the normal Joe's,
even if he weren't a bodybuilder/powerlifter/strongman/whatever. *But*,
not only does he have muscular arms, but they are proportionately *larger*
than any bodybuilder I've seen. 25'' is not hard to believe at all...
.....
From Bill Piche:
> These guys not only stretch arm measurements, but I believe they also stretch
> height. Example: Mike Francois for example is NOT 5'8 and 1/2 inches. He
> is really 5'6". How do I know this? Well, I talked to him in person at
> the Mr. O contest and stood right next to him. A picture was taken with him
> and in the pic it is obvious he is about 3 or 4 inches shorter than I am (I
> am 5'9").
Sorry Bill - but you're wrong. I guess you're a little taller than you
think. Look at the photo I sent you of me and Mike. I'm 5'5.5'', and Mike
is easily about 3'' taller than me.
[ And, no - I'm not shorter than I think... ]
Ciao
Ron Cecchini - ro...@arnold.ndhm.gtegsc.com
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But anyway, I digest...
.....
From Bill Piche:
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Jeff Gleixner
In article <aa2_941...@holt-systems.com>, Keith.R...@holt-systems.com (Keith R. Smith) writes:
> From: k...@pruxp.pr.att.com (Keith R. Smith)
> Subject: Re: body proportions
> Organization: AT&T
>
> In article <3bvksr$n...@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>,
> Bud Beacham <bu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >31" waist? Can this be true? I'm 6' 3" and when I started working out
> >I was 180 lbs with a 34" waist. Now I made it to 220 lbs and still have
> >a 34" waist. How can I get it to 31"?
>
> The lower limit of your waist size is pretty well fixed by your choice
> of parents.
> Keith R
Also, waist measurments are usually taken with a fairly sucked in posture,
which may lower it an inch or two. Also Arnold isn't 6'2". Their are
many bodybuilders with sub 30" waists.
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gl...@nitro.cray.com === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
paul_bearer
In article <001303Z...@anon.penet.fi>, <an10...@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>
>[ Forgive the slowness of this mail->News gateway. I'm sending this out
> Monday, but by my estimates it'll reach the world Thursday ]
Good guess.
>
>|> Bzzzt! Can't be him. Why you ask? Because Ahnold's top competition wt.
>|> was 235lbs, and he *never* had even close to 22" arms.
>
><sigh> That *was* Arnold, Paulmeister. 235, 245, who cares. I always
>thought of Arnold as being 240-245. The guy was about 6'2'' for pete's sake
>(although he didn't have the legs of today's pros, but he had more fat).
>I think at his heaviest, he may have been even a little more.
Hey, didn't the "FAQ" say that Ahnold's 6'0"? Just remember the point
I made in the above paragraph - Arnold's arms were *never* taped at
20". Always just a few eighths under. Now, you know his arms were
uuuuuugggggg, and how many guys, even today would you say have arms that
are that much bigger than his?
>
>But anyway, I digest...
Too much protein (bad old joke, I admit).
>
>|> Here we go with the exaggerated measurements again. How many competition
>|> bodybuilders *really* have 20" arms? How many in *history* have?
>...
>|> Hmmm, there were some others, but I can't remember off-hand. The largest
>|> was 23" and the guy weighed something like 340lbs. "The Man" claims to
>|> have a 25" arm (actually I just saw it was now claimed at 26"). I'd say
>|> for sure over 21" but not 25". Never been accurately measured as far
>|> as I know.
>
>|> Sorry, that's the way it is SO DEAL WITH IT!
>
>"Stop yelling!" [ guess the impression ]
You?
>|> Now I just *know* whose going to argue with me on this one.
>
>That would be me (I think).
Hey, you win a prize! A free year's supply of all the excess chromium
that Bill bought when he thought it worked plus mine.i
>Paul, I seriously think you're quagmired in a sea of flabbiness and
>minisculity (word?) ...
Imitation is the best form of flattery, but once again, speaking of
being quagmired, your still quagmired in your sea of hypocrisy.
And compared to Uncled Muffed ALL of us are simply immoral plebeians.
Too bad, I always aspired to much more lofty heights.
>
>For the life of me, I don't know why you refuse to believe that someone
>can have a 20 inch arm.
Did I say that? No, I said, that there are a prepoderence of fellacious
individuals who are continually being loquacious with their exaggerations
of upper limb diameters. That's what I said
.
I said it before in one post (in a.s.w ? don't
>even know if it reached the world yet), that either a) there aren't many
>large Canadians (except, of course, for Gary Bartlett's wet dream Bruce
>Patterson, who has been mega-hyped in every issue of MMI),
Well, considering I've seen what a *real* 20" arm looks like, life size
and I've also seen the other guys who *claim* like 21-22" arms, and are
obviously smaller, that's how I say that. I already said there are
guys who have/had 20" arms, but very very few who are under 300lbs. Let's
look at this another way. Do you not agree with me that there are quite
a few guys (and gals) who exaggerate their measurements big time? Like
do you really think that Frank Zane when he won the Mr. O, had 18.5" arms?
Your arms are probably bigger than Zane's were, but of course, since Zane
was so defined they looked bigger. It's a world of illusion (Doug Henning).
or b) you don't
>train in a gym with any large guys (or girls - hey, ever see Tina Lockwood's
>arms!)
A woman with 20" arms? Hey the perfect fit for you! Okay off on a tangent,
but weren't Cory Everson's arms never bigger than like 14"? The average
man has arms at least that size.
>
>Even at my staggering massiveness (much sarcasm there folx - I'm not Uncle
>Buff),
Who is? Nobody can compare to his voluminous pumpititude.
my arms tape in at 16 3/4 to 16 7/8. My partner (same height as I
>am) is easily 18 (but the bastard won't let me get an exact reading).
Get an exact reading, without adjusting the tape to "make it fit", and use
a thin measuring tape, like a strip of newspaper and mark off where 17",
17.5", and 18" are and then come back (and don't fib) tell me his arms
are 18". If they are, fine, I haven't seen the guy so I don't know,
and you say he is really big, so could be so.
And
>the point is that our arms (well, esp. my arms) don't look like *anything*
>compared to those guys, as far as size goes.
Also remember that just adding *1* inch to the arms really increases the
overall volume (by some math formula that I can't remember, or something
along those lines). What I mean is that a 18" arm *looks* much bigger
than a 17" arm. Every inch on the tape really makes a big difference.
>
>Re: Manfred, I believe that it was verified that his arms are 25".
If someone accurately measured, sure. But I have yet to see that. And
this number has gone up to almost 26" in some mags, right?
Geez, 25". Think of how big that is. What's a big leg? For us normal
humanoids for someone under 6' wouldn't 25-26" be a decent sized leg.
Maybe even to some people, really big? Now I don't deny the guy has
maybe the most massive arms ever, but 25"? I think it's okay to be
skeptical of this.
And Ronbo, Canadians have bigger arms per capita then Americans (that's
what Census Canada says). Just like everything else we have is bigger,
and more powerful, like beer, programmers, etc.
>At least, that's what one of the gossip columnists said.
Which means zippo to me as you know.
Besides, as I've
>told you before in email, it's not too hard a thing to believe when you
>consider a) The sheer height and size of the guy, b) the relatively larger
>than proportionate size of his arms. In other words, because of his physical
>size and height, his arms are going to be alot larger than the normal Joe's,
>even if he weren't a bodybuilder/powerlifter/strongman/whatever. *But*,
>not only does he have muscular arms, but they are proportionately *larger*
>than any bodybuilder I've seen. 25'' is not hard to believe at all...
I agree with you, that of course the sheer height, and bone structure,
obviously makes it more likely, but I am mirer.
I look at the accurate measurements done on guys over 300lbs, and I still
remember the uuggggest arm was like 23". His may be bigger - I'm just
doubtful they're 25". And the whole point is that I've seen guys like
Barry Demey claim to have a 21" arm in the past. Your gonna tell me
you believe that one? Or that Serge Nubret ever did? My point of reference
is Arnold's arms. I've got the old copy of "Education of a Bodybuilder"
and on the cover his arms are just totally unreal. Agreed? And they
were under 20".
the guy, is *really* tall, and *really* heavy.
>
>.....
>
>From Bill Piche:
>
>> These guys not only stretch arm measurements, but I believe they also stretch
>> height. Example: Mike Francois for example is NOT 5'8 and 1/2 inches. He
>> is really 5'6". How do I know this? Well, I talked to him in person at
>> the Mr. O contest and stood right next to him. A picture was taken with him
>> and in the pic it is obvious he is about 3 or 4 inches shorter than I am (I
>> am 5'9").
>
>Sorry Bill - but you're wrong. I guess you're a little taller than you
>think. Look at the photo I sent you of me and Mike. I'm 5'5.5'', and Mike
>is easily about 3'' taller than me.
>[ And, no - I'm not shorter than I think... ]
Now nobody knows how tall they are anymore. What does Bill's driver's licence
say? If it says 5'9", then well, he's 5'9". I don't care about the pix.
My driver's licence (when I convert from centimetres) says I'm just over 5'7".
(I thought I was 5'8", the damn centimetre conversion I did was wrong,
metric can be too confusing sometimes). So I'm 5'7". That's it.
Are you sure your not shorter than you think? [oops, I just had to dodge
a SCUD missile Ron launched "by accident" after all the times I questioned
him on this]
Here you go trying to pass yourself off as a Momo clone, and now your not.
Doesn't matter anyways, 'cause you'll never be as big, smart, or successfull
in your money portfolio as Uncle Boffed.
Ciao!
P.
Daniel J. Askin
It seems as though everyone missed to original intent of Brad Martz's
post. He asked about body proportions and it seems as though someone
was bent on posting the measurements of all our favorate "juice monkeys"
that we've seen and read about for the last twenty years.
The question was about proportions and after speaking to Brad he said
that he was much more interested in knowing how various body
measurements should relate to each other...in other words your upper arm
measurement should be one half your waist measurement less 1 inch. This
would seem to work fine for the average individual who is relatively fit
...however for body builders there needs to be a reliable adjustment
factor to this sort of equation. Using the above equation would put
Arnold's waist at around 46". The question remains as to what the
proportions should be for a body builder i.e. upper arm to forearm, arm
to waist , waist to hip and legs etc.. Conjecture about size can make
for interesting posts but lets not lose sight of the question and get
caught up in lengthy discussions about any one individual body builder
and his or her size.
Keith R. Smith
Daniel J. Askin <da...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>It seems as though everyone missed to original intent of Brad Martz's
>post. He asked about body proportions and it seems as though someone
>was bent on posting the measurements of all our favorate "juice monkeys"
>that we've seen and read about for the last twenty years.
>
>The question was about proportions and after speaking to Brad he said
>that he was much more interested in knowing how various body
>measurements should relate to each other.
Okay, how about these numbers for men.....
waist approx 4.25 x wrist
neck/calf/arm approx 2.25 x wrist
hip approx 5.5 x wrist
chest approx (waist + arm)
forearm approx 1.8 x wrist
thigh approx 3.6 x wrist
====================================
Keith R
Nicholas Kitchener
Ah HA!, I beat Arnie hands down ..
Chest .. smaller .. (sod ..)
Waist 31 (well these 32" I'm wearing have at least an inch to spare..)
height 6-5 <- see yer later !
weight 154 <- that's my mother's fault (high metabolism)
Now to the serious points:
1) How harmful are omlettes ? (Fat, Protein - compared to other egg forms..)
2) Being 154lbs :(, with little fat, how can I increase my wieght ?
I always feel that I can't eat anymore in the day.. but I'm still 154lbs..
Nick.