Steriods& Alzado
DDuchaine
evidence on Alzado. Death was not steroid related. Didn't have AIDS.
Didn't have GH induced CJ syndrome. Lyle could have been a Baptist
minister and never seen a steroid and unfortunately he would have had the
same disease. I was one of many that knew Lyle and saw him working out at
Gold's in Venice even after he had lost 100+ lbs. We all knew that he
wanted to write his own history before he died. We felt that his disease
was not steroid-related but we remained silent about his steroid posturing
because why kick a man when he'd down,especially a friend? Lyle wanted
desperately to find a reason as to why he got sick, as he just couldn't
accept the fact that his cancer was a simple act of fate. Also, he was
well aware of the gay/AIDS rumors and didn't want to die with that stigma
over him.
Steve Dyer
DDuchaine <dduc...@aol.com> wrote:
>Lyle could have been a Baptist
>minister and never seen a steroid and unfortunately he would have had the
>same disease.
You're absolutely right in this regard. You don't have to be late stage HIV+
to present with primary lymphoma of the brain, but it occurs much more
frequently now in people with AIDS than it does in the general population.
--
Steve Dyer
dy...@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Patrick Arnold
>From: ba...@starfire.ucsd.edu (Barry Merriman)
>Subject: Re: Steriods& Alzado
>Date: 18 Jun 1995 00:10:15 GMT
>In article <3rpj9t$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> dduc...@aol.com (DDuchaine)
>writes:
>> I am friends with the investigative reporter at SI that examined all the
>> evidence on Alzado. Death was not steroid related. Didn't have AIDS.
>> Didn't have GH induced CJ syndrome.
>> Also, he was
>> well aware of the gay/AIDS rumors and didn't want to die with that stigma
>> over him.
>As I have said, its rumor status that Alzado had AIDs. But its not considered
>rumor status that he way gay (really bisexual). Are you saying that
>you are sure he was not gay/bi?
Although I am guilty of a little curiousity myself I really think that this
thread should go into the "who gives a shit" trash bin. The guy suffered and
died, who cares what his private life was like.
On the other hand, he did do us all a big disservice by making such a fuss
about steroids.
Barry Merriman
writes:
> I am friends with the investigative reporter at SI that examined all the
> evidence on Alzado. Death was not steroid related. Didn't have AIDS.
> Didn't have GH induced CJ syndrome.
> Also, he was
> well aware of the gay/AIDS rumors and didn't want to die with that stigma
> over him.
As I have said, its rumor status that Alzado had AIDs. But its not considered
rumor status that he way gay (really bisexual). Are you saying that
you are sure he was not gay/bi?
Of course, the reader should also have the caveat that most of
the ``truth'' about what goes on behind the scenes in bodybuilding
exists as rumors. Unfortunate, but still on the whole more
reliable than what you read in the mags...
--
Barry Merriman
UCSD Fusion Energy Research Center
UCLA Dept. of Math
bmer...@fusion.ucsd.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)
William A. Piche
|>
|> An any case, Alzado is a testament to how _little_ danger there is with
|> steroid use---the guy was a heavy user for 20 years, with little off
|> time, and throw in GH to boot. Thats really pushing the usage envelope,
|> compared to the more rational user who may cycle them on/off for a couple
|> years.
|>
Just thought I would add another example. Ernie Franz, president of the
APF just squatted over 800 at over 60 years of age. Ernie says he
took(takes) roids in his book Ten Commandments of Powerlifting. A little
math tells me the guy has been using them for over 20 years (maybe 30).
Just a fact I thought was somewhat interesting on the subject. One can draw their own conclusions.....
--
Bill Piche (bap...@cca.rockwell.com)
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are those of the author and not
Rockwell International or any of it's divisions
Barry Merriman
Arnold) writes:
> Although I am guilty of a little curiousity myself I really think that this
> thread should go into the "who gives a shit" trash bin. The guy suffered and
> died, who cares what his private life was like.
>
> On the other hand, he did do us all a big disservice by making such a fuss
> about steroids.
>
That is why this thread repeatedly surfaces. Someone comes and says:
``If you want an example of the dangers of steroids, look at Lyle Alzado''.
Alzado very explicitly spread this message in the stories written
about him in his last days, e.g. in Sports Illustrated.
The result is, he gave steroids a very negative public image, and
it was totally unfounded...I.e. there is no reason at all to think
that steroids caused the cancer Alzado died of. Because of this, he
is not fondly remembered by those in the weightlifting wordl who
now have that much harder of a time aquiring real steroids.
Now, in these circles it is commonly thought that Alzado was gay
(this much is nearly certain) and died of AIDS (I don;t know of anyone
who can really verify the latter though, whereas I do for the former).
So, whether Alzado is gay is not so relevant, but it is more relevant
whether or not he died of AIDS, which would certainly clear steroids
of the blame he tried to cast on them.
An any case, Alzado is a testament to how _little_ danger there is with
steroid use---the guy was a heavy user for 20 years, with little off
time, and throw in GH to boot. Thats really pushing the usage envelope,
compared to the more rational user who may cycle them on/off for a couple
years.
--
BODYOPUS
comeback into the NFL...this is like 16X the rec. dosage. GH can be a
mutagen (especially to WBC's look at Dennis Newman). It is all too
possible that:
1) L.A. was not gay (who cares if he was?)
2) L.A. did not have AIDS
3) His tumor might be from massive abuse of GH.
VA GUY 4
big tumor in his head because he was such a jerk?
I saw an interview with him about a year and a half before he died and he
was driving his truck, saying shit like if someone pulled out in front of
him or if he didn't like the way they drove, he just might "pull them out
of the truck and spank them", and he was NOT kidding. Then, a year later
when he was a skinny twig of a man, his temper was much more modest.
Wouldn't if have been funny if, after his weight loss, someone he had
previously beaten up saw him driving down the road and decided to pull him
out of his truck and kick his ass, hard?! Payback is hell, Lyle.
Maybe all the steriods made him into a jerk..whatever..who cares... theres
no excuse for being THAT much of an asshole.
te...@lehigh.edu
tes:
>I am friends with the investigative reporter at SI that examined all the
>evidence on Alzado. Death was not steroid related. Didn't have AIDS.
>minister and never seen a steroid and unfortunately he would have had the
>same disease. I was one of many that knew Lyle and saw him working out at
>Gold's in Venice even after he had lost 100+ lbs. We all knew that he
>wanted to write his own history before he died. We felt that his disease
>was not steroid-related but we remained silent about his steroid posturing
>because why kick a man when he'd down,especially a friend? Lyle wanted
>desperately to find a reason as to why he got sick, as he just couldn't
>well aware of the gay/AIDS rumors and didn't want to die with that stigma
>over him.
>
Excuse me, but what I recall is very very different. I clearly remember the
interview with Lyle on tv. I admit (and am open to total criticism) because
I have never known Lyle. However, Lyle cleary blamed steroid use, during his
career and especially heavy use during his comeback, on his fatal disease.
He then went on to make a point of letting the world know how much steroids
are used in the professional sports arena, especially football!
Todd E. Treat
Larry DeLuca
steroid use.]
Testimonial might be more like it. It's just as impossible to say that
Alzado proves that steroids are safe as for Alzado to say that his
disease proves they're not.
You can't base anything on the results had by one person.
larry...
--
--------"I am only a textbook. Soon I will have my own ISBN number, and
you can order a copy of me for home use or entertaining your
friends." -- me
Barry Merriman
> [Barry refers to Alzado as a testament to the lack of real danger of
> steroid use.]
>
> Testimonial might be more like it. It's just as impossible to say that
> Alzado proves that steroids are safe as for Alzado to say that his
> disease proves they're not.
>
> You can't base anything on the results had by one person.
>
Well, execpt that it likely rules out extreme toxicity for steroids
if _anyone_ can partake of them heaviliy for 20 years.
DAVID FONG, CEO
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> Barry Merriman
> UCSD Fusion Energy Research Center
> UCLA Dept. of Math
> bmer...@fusion.ucsd.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)
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Im sorry but Im new to this steroid business. I always thought that they
were illegal because the health hazards they posed. If steroids are
relatively safe why were they made illegal?
David Fong
Chuck Ross
In article <3s4d33$1j...@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, te...@Lehigh.EDU writes:
|> Excuse me, but what I recall is very very different. I clearly remember the
|> interview with Lyle on tv. I admit (and am open to total criticism) because
|> I have never known Lyle. However, Lyle cleary blamed steroid use, during his
|> career and especially heavy use during his comeback, on his fatal disease.
|> He then went on to make a point of letting the world know how much steroids
|> are used in the professional sports arena, especially football!
|> Todd E. Treat
Are you clueless, lazy, or both! Have you been reading this thread?
To sum up:
Lyle did just as you remembered and was very probably wrong! That's the
point of this thread. He died of a disease that has never been linked
to steroids (Think Barry said that). Even the post you replyed to (Dan's)
said it wasn't linked to steroids and he should know a little about the
subject.
the chuckr
Larry DeLuca
toxicity.]
Yes, and no. Remember that radiation poisoning is cumulative, and the
effects can show up 20 or 30 years later.
The two questions in toxicity are dosage level and theshold of toxicity.
Unfortunately, between politics and morality we haven't been able to get
anyone to be rational and open long enough about any of these subjects
to get better data.
Robert Schuh
writes:
Body,
Lyle was a poofta. He used to hit on my friend Neil Sruce all of the
time. I know it does not really matter but we should get the info
straight.
Barry Merriman
>
> Im sorry but Im new to this steroid business. I always thought that they
> were illegal because the health hazards they posed. If steroids are
> relatively safe why were they made illegal?
>
There are several possible explanations.
The more obvious explanation is that steroid use was filtering
out of the hardcore gyms and into the highschools. Supposedly,
something like 3% of teenagers were using steroids at one point.
Our congressman, outraged by the damage this was doing to our
nations youth, outlawed them to keep them out of teenage hands.
The unofficial explanation I have heard from those who were around
the hot spots (e.g. Golds/Venice) when illegalization cam down though,
is very different: the claim is there was a know weapons
smuggler operating out of Mexico that the FBI wanted to bust. He also
had a large steroid production plant in Mexico, and he smuggled these
into the U.S. The Feds wanted to catch this guy, so they pushed congress
and Pres. Bush to criminalize steroids to the same level as other
drugs like cocaine, etc. That done, they were able to handily knab
this fellow for steroids and thus indirectly shut down his weapons operation.
You be the judge...but I wouldn;t be surprised if there is some truth in
the latter.
Michael Lakey
Merriman) writes:
|>
|> An any case, Alzado is a testament to how _little_ danger there is with
|> steroid use---the guy was a heavy user for 20 years, with little off
|> time, and throw in GH to boot. Thats really pushing the usage envelope,
|> compared to the more rational user who may cycle them on/off for a couple
|> years.
|>
About a year ago, I was listening to a radio talk show interview with the
ex-team doctor of the Raiders. During the course of the interview, the doctor
was asked about drug use in the NFL, particularly steroids. He then related a
story where he examined Alzado and told him that his steriod use was driving his
cholesterol level so high that he could die of a heart attack tomorrow.
Maybe the dangers of steroid use are overblown and the risk is not that great,
but using someone who died prematurely of other causes is not a testament to
anything.
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>could find more info about abdominal exercises. Back pain is a MAJOR
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[snip]
: Our congressman, outraged by the damage this was doing to our
: nations youth, outlawed them to keep them out of teenage hands.
Can you say "Bidem"?
[snip]
Lates!
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DDuchaine
patrick arnold
>From: dduc...@aol.com (DDuchaine)
>Subject: Re: Steriods& Alzado
>Date: 29 Jun 1995 11:59:24 -0400
>That's Joe Bidet.
Or Mr. "Antibiotic Steroids"
Tim
: That's Joe Bidet.
Actually, I thought it was Joe Biden (with a "n") -- senator from Delaware.
Robert Schuh
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>Barry Merriman (ba...@starfire.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>
>[snip]
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>: Our congressman, outraged by the damage this was doing to our
>: nations youth, outlawed them to keep them out of teenage hands.
>
>Can you say "Bidem"?
>
>[snip]
>
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It is actually Biden. The guy is a prick though!!!
patrick arnold
>From: body...@netcom.com (Tim)
>Subject: Re: Steriods& Alzado
>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:38:51 GMT
>DDuchaine (dduc...@aol.com) wrote:
>: That's Joe Bidet.
>Actually, I thought it was Joe Biden (with a "n") -- senator from Delaware.
>Lates!
I *think* he was making a joke, Bidet = Bite it?
Pete A. Aceto
>>Lates!
I think the joke was bidet = bee-day the european crotch shower! ;)
barry j sullivan
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