Exercise? But I hate exercise!
shoema...@yahoo.com
When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
before that!
I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
for someone like me?
Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
exercises would you recommend for them?
In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
weight. They don't need that.
Thank you very much!
Ted Shoemaker
Steve Freides
news:1162925474.9...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
> an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
> park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
Walk. Start by doing simple things like parking at the far end of the
parking lot, increase gradually. Find a pleasureable destination if you
can.
> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
Walking is fine for kids, too.
Find what they like or if they have friends that play a sport they might
like.
MothWrangler
> <shoema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1162925474.9...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
>>an
>>adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>>recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>>much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
>>park,
>>before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>>before that!
>>
>>I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>>for someone like me?
>
>
> Walk. Start by doing simple things like parking at the far end of the
> parking lot, increase gradually. Find a pleasureable destination if you
> can.
>
>
>>Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
>>I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
>>exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
>>exercises would you recommend for them?
>>
>>In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
>>weight. They don't need that.
>
>
> Walking is fine for kids, too.
Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk. Take a hike over an interesting trail. Take
a walking tour that involves sites that your kids might like. If your
oldest child is thinking about colleges--visit college campuses and take
a walking tour.
> Find what they like or if they have friends that play a sport they might
> like.
Plus, there are activities, like dancing, that aren't sports but offer
exercise. You might try the video game "Dance Dance Revolution." Kids
can burn a lot of calories playing that, and, while it's a video game,
kinds can exercise more than their thumbs playing.
Some activities, while they might be considered sports, can also just be
recreational, non-competitive, and fun. Some that come to mind are
biking, skateboarding, in-line or ice skating, bowling, table tennis
(AKA ping pong), wall climbing, playing paintball (supervised, of
course,) or lazer tag. Or, if water activities might appeal to you or
your kids, try swimming, surfing, boogie boarding, snorkling, or scuba
diving.
Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
Andrzej Rosa
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
seem to seek an excuse.
Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
Good example.
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
Gymnastics.
> Thank you very much!
You're welcome.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
Neil Gendzwill
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
Whatever appeals to you, just get your butt moving.
> What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
Whatever appeals to them, just get their butts moving.
Neil
BobMac
>
> Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
> enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk. Take a hike over an interesting trail. Take
> a walking tour that involves sites that your kids might like. If your
> oldest child is thinking about colleges--visit college campuses and take
> a walking tour.
>
Getting a routine route to walk every day is a good start. It's
exercise. You will increase your abilities. You will discover that it
works for you, just like it works for everyone else. You will discover
that the goons you met in high school PT are no longer part of your life.
You will eventually enjoy it. From there to the 500lb deadlift is just a
matter of time and persistence.
rm
JMW
>Dnia 2006-11-07 shoema...@yahoo.com napisał(a):
>> Hello,
>>
>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
>> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
>> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>> before that!
>>
>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>> for someone like me?
>
>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>seem to seek an excuse.
>
>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
Curt will be so disappointed!
Curt
> Hello,
Hi.
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class.
I took three gym classes in my senior year. I loooved PE. Ran cross
country four years (varsity one), track two years, and even took a
rather unsuccessful shot at wrestling in 12th grade, too.
> Now that I'm an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice
> on exercise. He recommended some exercises that were
> surely good, but it was all too much for me. I need to start
> simply: let's climb the hill by the park, before we climb Mount
> Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump* before that!
One reason many people give up on weights is that they do too many sets
during those first weeks of training. So if you're going to lift, I
recommend you start with one set of 8 to 12 reps for each exercise.
Gradually building up to 3 or 4 sets over the next couple of months.
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
> recommend for someone like me?
Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah, the
Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine. Women do
love the male model types, so if you like women then that should serve
as motivation to get back in shape via progressive weight training
a.k.a. bodybuilding.
> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
Just get them involved in sports in general. Soccer, baseball, etc.
Whatever's available. Make your wife drive them to practice. It'll keep
her out of your hair. ;o) And, hey, if you're madly in love then split
the duties. Your kids will thank you and maybe NOT put you in the
nursing home when it's "your time," you lazy bastard. ;o)
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
>
> Thank you very much!
You're welcome. And another suggestion? Don't cross-post.
> Ted Shoemaker
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"Curt" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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JMW
wrote:
>
>The Absdiet?
>*targeted fat loss*? Among many other fictions.
Well, it seems that is what MFW has come to: Curt and TheAbsDiet.
Scary shit, huh?
Bully
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
> an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me.
Can you elaborate?
> I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
> park, before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed
> bump* before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
>
> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Ted Shoemaker
--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
Bully
> shoemakerted wrote:
>> Hello,
>
> Hi.
>
>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class.
>
> I took three gym classes in my senior year. I loooved PE. Ran cross
> country four years (varsity one), track two years, and even took a
> rather unsuccessful shot at wrestling in 12th grade, too.
>
>> Now that I'm an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice
>> on exercise. He recommended some exercises that were
>> surely good, but it was all too much for me. I need to start
>> simply: let's climb the hill by the park, before we climb Mount
>> Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump* before that!
>
> One reason many people give up on weights is that they do too many
> sets during those first weeks of training. So if you're going to
> lift, I recommend you start with one set of 8 to 12 reps for each
> exercise. Gradually building up to 3 or 4 sets over the next couple
> of months.
>
>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
>> recommend for someone like me?
>
> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
> the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.
What for?
[...]
Andrzej Rosa
I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
guilt.
So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
to help him in achieving them.
--
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Andrzej Rosa
>>>>
>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>
>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>
>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>
>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>
>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>guilt.
>>
>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>to help him in achieving them.
>
> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
Right. That would sum it up fine.
> You see, it been recognized
> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>
> HTH
I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
sense.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
Charles
<bak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
"specific examples" of his rash statements.
That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!
Pete
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
Lotsa exercise. And diet.
----
Pete
Pete
> Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
> enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk.
You dont think thats a little too intense?
----
Pete
Pete
>> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
>> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
>> the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.
> What for?
To look at these pictures of muscular men, saturated in oil.
----
Pete
Pete
> For yourself I don't know what to recommended.
For this guy, i recommend 20 sets of heavy squats, followed by 20 sets of
heavy barbell rows.
Can be done within 2 hours. It wont kill you.
Torturing people can be fun at times...
----
Pete
rick++
the distraction of indoor passive electronic entertainments.
You'll probably start filling it with some sort of activity
out of boredom. Doesn't have to be some rigorous
exercise- just get moving. Enforce the same
outdoor electronic curfew on the kids for an hour each day too.
Pete
>>For this guy, i recommend 20 sets of heavy squats, followed by 20 sets of
>>heavy barbell rows.
>>Can be done within 2 hours. It wont kill you.
>>Torturing people can be fun at times...
> You could drop him into a pool with no ladder to get out. Flopping
> around in the water for a few hours would be good exercise.
And i am willing to bet he would swim like a fish.
Perhaps we just should send him to a high security "facility", were there
are several 250+ pounders who havent seen a woman for more then a decade.
I am pretty sure that within days he will start to strengthen those muscles,
and stop complaining about the fact that he doesnt like to exercise.
Yeah, putting him together in the same cel as "Tyrone" will help getting him
at the weights.
----
Pete
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Typical of all lawyers, no?
Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my liar?
But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
In addition to being the party nominee for the Independent Party of the
Proctologically ViolatedŽŠ (M)asses (which, for the unawares, is every
working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the founders of the
International Consortium for the Neutering of All Lawyers, and president of
the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better by its
acridnym, ANAL.
We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on this
planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
anaesthesia?
Without would save the state a lot of money.
jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this procreating?
I think not.
Problem is, we have trouble retaining legal counsel. We do offer, for
anyone willing to do pro boner work, exception from sed operation. They
will still have take something like salt peter, or the Big Pharm equivalent.
Charles
<entropic...@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>"Charles" <j...@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:6e53l29npnscp1088...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>> Andrzej Rosa <bak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>Proctologically Violated®© (M)asses (which, for the unawares, is every
>working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the founders of the
>International Consortium for the Neutering of All Lawyers, and president of
>the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better by its
>acridnym, ANAL.
>We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on this
>planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
>The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
>anaesthesia?
>Without would save the state a lot of money.
>
>jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this procreating?
>I think not.
John "Liar" Williams is impotent and childless, as a search through
the Google archives will bear witness!
HTH!
Proctologically Violated┊
Still, accidents do happen.
Fer example, if you are economizing on hot water, and yer sister jumps in
the bathwater after you (meaning jmw) just finished beating his meat in said
bathwater, pregnancy can occur.
Happens more in England than here in the states, but it does happen.
Oh, and in Kentucky, altho such pregnancies don't have much to do w/
bathwater, but rather, keeping warm at night. Hey, shit happens....
Anyway, neutering is still highly recommended.
And if the ICNAL/ANAL has anything to do with it, it will become mandatory.
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>
> HTH!
JMW
wrote:
>
>Typical of all lawyers, no?
>Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my liar?
>But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
I didn't know that people with masters degrees in physics went to work
as registered dieticians.
Do you measure the Jello temperatures in Kelvin?
Bully
You said anal!!! Watch out for Charles jumping on this thread like a
sodomizer on a ...<censored>
Charles
wrote:
>Proctologically Violated┊ wrote:
>> "Charles" <j...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:bu84l2tvn9egm28kl...@4ax.com...
[...]
>>>>
>>>> jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this
>>>> procreating?
>>>> I think not.
>>>
>>> John "Liar" Williams is impotent and childless, as a search through
>>> the Google archives will bear witness!
>>
>> Still, accidents do happen.
>> Fer example, if you are economizing on hot water, and yer sister
>> jumps in the bathwater after you (meaning jmw) just finished beating
>> his meat in said bathwater, pregnancy can occur.
>>
>> Happens more in England than here in the states, but it does happen.
>> Oh, and in Kentucky, altho such pregnancies don't have much to do w/
>> bathwater, but rather, keeping warm at night. Hey, shit happens....
>> Anyway, neutering is still highly recommended.
>> And if the ICNAL/ANAL has anything to do with it, it will become
>> mandatory.
>>>
>>> HTH!
>
>You said anal!!! Watch out for Charles jumping on this thread like a
>sodomizer on a ...<censored>
Ah, more secondary modern type homo jibes...
...yawn; what a dopey, boring repetitive, dull shit!
Come on Bully Boy, up the game lad or I'll have to claim it by
default! ;o)
Bully
Right on cue.
Charles
wrote:
.Well you are rather cueing them up for me; there goes black for
another eight points! ;o)
Proctologically Violated┊
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jw, you have yet to get *one* accusation correct, ceptin about the HoloBarre
not being ready yet--soon, tho, soon.
MS in *nutrition*, fool, and yes, the RD.
Next.....
JMW
> "JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:aj94l21q23qlnmini...@4ax.com...
> > "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic...@optonline2.718.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>Typical of all lawyers, no?
> >>Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my
> >>liar?
> >>But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
> >
> > I didn't know that people with masters degrees in physics went to work
> > as registered dieticians.
> >
> > Do you measure the Jello temperatures in Kelvin?
>
> jw, you have yet to get *one* accusation correct, ceptin about the HoloBarre
> not being ready yet--soon, tho, soon.
> MS in *nutrition*, fool, and yes, the RD.
> Next.....
So what degrees do you hold in physics and chemistry? Do they qualify
you to mix the Jello?
Proctologically Violated┊
give you some ideas/learning experience.
Not saying the people there are sages/gurus, but
watching/learning/experimenting, in a well-equipped place, can be well worth
the cost. Plus, the free weight room is where you might find the more
relevant, albeit at times extreme, advice.
Walking, biking, etc. is all good, but lacks the concentrated "oomph" I
believe we need.
Also, not being "sure" about the true efficacy of a program can sap one's
will power/discipline.
Vs. *knowing* that what you are doing is effective, which can be it's own
powerful motivation.
For example, there is a school of thought that says if you were to do *one*
exercise, and one exercise only, for the rest of your life, the clean and
jerk should be it. Not saying this etched in stone, but a lot of
knowledgeable people voice this opinion.
I have found that for myself, a modified clean & jerk is *very* challenging
in a fun way (as fun as exercise can get), and addresses so many muscles
that you don't have to do a whole lot else, for general fitness.
Plus, it is very versatile, incl. body flexibility, and can be done w/ light
weights as well, for what appears like a quasi-cardio workout.
Not as versatile as my HoloBarre, but then, sed HB ain't ready..... :)
Well, jmw's HB is ready, but I suspect he'll be using the long smooth
polished bar for sumpn else....
Anyway, a commercial gym will expose you to a lot of interesting stuff, some
more useful than others, some right and some wrong, so you have to wend your
way somewhat judiciously.
And always be willing to experiment.
There's a lot of theory/science/technical stuff underlying fitness/health,
which itself can be useful to your kids, if you use exercise etc as a
"vehicle" for academic knowledge.
Someone mentioned video games--I think these have the kids dance, or move
around or sumpn.
That's OK, except that I believe videos intrinsically dumb our kids down,
and I believe there are much better ways to address the issue--by making
fitness/ex academically interesting.
You could get proly several hundred PhDs in perhaps a cupla dozen different
disciplines by just studying one weight lifting move and/or running.
imo, it is a tremendous failing in our school system, that things like PE,
shop, auto repair, are not *intimately* linked to academics, and instead are
dumbed down, or cast perjoratively into the "vocational".
Sheeit, Toyata factory mechanics are pullin down $90 K--and that's not
including sidework in their own home garage.... boy, what a mistake *I*
made....
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<shoema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
>
Proctologically Violated┊
of those guys handing out their bidniss card outside of traffic court?
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JMW
> Well, before I answer that, tell me what kind of liaring you do--are you one
> of those guys handing out their bidniss card outside of traffic court?
Now, to my question ...
Bully
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:12:32 -0500, JMW
> <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With
>> a little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is.
>> recognized for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow
>> themselves to whine and avoid effort will never be effective at
>> strength training. I realize, of course, that such concepts are
>> anathema to the friendly butt-kissers and hand-holders who see
>> themselves as The New World Order of this newsgroup, but that's just
>> the way it is.
>
> there. He hadn't seen any gains for over a year. It takes more than
> just hard work to make muscle.
Yes, protein.
>
> You sound like the type of guy that would trhough someone in the water
> to teach them to swim.
Jason Earl
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:12:32 -0500, JMW
> <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With
>>a little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is.
>>It's called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach. You see, it been
>>recognized for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow
>>themselves to whine and avoid effort will never be effective at
>>strength training. I realize, of course, that such concepts are
>>anathema to the friendly butt-kissers and hand-holders who see
>>themselves as The New World Order of this newsgroup, but that's just
>>the way it is.
>
> I had a friend at the gym who worked his ass off every time he was
> there. He hadn't seen any gains for over a year. It takes more
> than just hard work to make muscle.
Once you have made a habit of exercising you can always tweak things
so that you are making progress. No matter how good your genetics you
aren't going to make gains without exercising.
> You sound like the type of guy that would trhough someone in the
> water to teach them to swim.
That's a very effective way to learn how to swim. I learned that
way. It was a little scary, but very effective.
Jason
JMW
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:12:32 -0500, JMW
> <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
> >little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
> >called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach. You see, it been recognized
> >for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
> >whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
> >I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
> >butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
> >Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>
> I had a friend at the gym who worked his ass off every time he was
> there. He hadn't seen any gains for over a year. It takes more than
> just hard work to make muscle.
>
> to teach them to swim.
I suspect there are people here who would like to throw *you* into the
water without caring whether you can swim or not.
Curt
re Shute
> I suspect there are people here who would like to throw
> *you* into the water without caring whether you can swim
> or not.
Well, bully for your suspicions, Johnny. Being careful of what you say,
eh? Wouldn't want to say something and then be called on it, right?
Of course that'd be nothing new for you.
--
Curt
Curt
> The Absdiet?
> *targeted fat loss*? Among many other fictions.
Not targeted fat loss, but a targeted sales strategy. It's an effective
title for a book on *general fat loss* with an emphasis on making your
abs more visible. ;o)
> Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY
--
Curt
Curt
> Curt wrote:
> > shoemakerted wrote:
[...]
> >> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
> >> recommend for someone like me?
> >
> > Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
> > thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
> > the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.
>
> What for?
Perhaps you missed the next few lines. Allow me to review:
"That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine. Women do
love the male model types, so if you like women then that should serve
as motivation to get back in shape via progressive weight training
a.k.a. bodybuilding."
Hth, but, yeah, I'll just assume it won't.
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
Curt
Dove bars: http://www.candydirect.com/bars/Dove-Bar-Dark.html
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> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:55:24 -0700, Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Once you have made a habit of exercising you can always tweak things
>>so that you are making progress. No matter how good your genetics
>>you aren't going to make gains without exercising.
>
> Except he wouldn't tweak anything no matter what I or anyone else
> told him to try. He continued to stick with his 3 day a week full
> body workout which worked when he first started. I am sure he was
> in good shape but wasn't making any muscle or strength gains.
People just starting are likely to make gains no matter what they do.
People that stick with the same approach whether they make gains or
not are likely to stagnate no matter what program they pick. The two
are essentially separate issues.
If you aren't exercising regularly you should start. If you aren't
making gains you should switch things up.
>>> You sound like the type of guy that would trhough someone in the
>>> water to teach them to swim.
>>
>>That's a very effective way to learn how to swim. I learned that
>>way. It was a little scary, but very effective.
>
> I am pretty sure I can teach anyone to swim without terrifying them.
> They just have to want to do it. The OP wants the benefits of
> exercise without putting in any effort. It just doesn't work that
> way.
I wasn't terrified. I had never swum before, so I was a bit scared,
but my uncle promised he wouldn't let me drown :).
Jason
Stephen N.
> That's a very effective way to learn how to swim. I learned that
> way. It was a little scary, but very effective.
That's a very effective way to help a kid develop a lifelong dislike of
the water. If you throw a person who really cannot swim into the water,
he will likely drown. Even if they don't, they will not know how to
swim any better than before you threw them in.
Thrashing around trying not to sink is not swimming. Swimming is
propelling yourself through the water.
Stephen N.--->swimming...good...
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that there will be any info of substance within the covers?
How can one speak of "general fat loss" with an emphasis on *then* making
abs more visible?
If the fat loss is in fact general, as it MUST be, then the visibility of
abs will just be in proportion to the overall fat loss.
It IS true, that fat loss follows the LOFO principle: last on, first off,
which can *appear* as targeted fat loss, but just reflects how a given body
prefers to deposit/lose fat. This pattern cannot be manipulated..
So the book appears to be but another run-of-the-mill hype, lose 12 lbs in X
days, blah blah.
Please....
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JMW
>On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:46:51 -0700, Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I wasn't terrified. I had never swum before, so I was a bit scared,
>>but my uncle promised he wouldn't let me drown :).
>
>If he was there to pull you out than it isn't quite the same. Did he
>actually throw you in?
>
>I started swimming before I can even remember. I always pushed beyond
>what I was supposed to be doing.
And you continue to exceed your limitations by posting messages on
subjects that are far beyond your mental capacity.
Curt
re http://theabsdiet.com/ and its targeted sales strategy
> Problem is, the pitch is so (typically) misleading,
I disagree in general. Yes, ads are typically misleading, however The
Abs Diet is a quick and relatively easy read. Straightforward and full
of direct and, imo, easily-comprehended material.
> can you really trust that there will be any info of
> substance within the covers?
Yes.
> How can one speak of "general fat loss" with an emphasis
> on *then* making abs more visible?
You're somethingsomething throwing the baby out with the wash water.
> If the fat loss is in fact general, as it MUST be, then the
> visibility of abs will just be in proportion to the overall fat loss.
Aaaaannnnnd? You take issue with that fact as it relates to The Abs
Diet why?
> It IS true, that fat loss follows the LOFO principle: last on,
> first off, which can *appear* as targeted fat loss, but just
> reflects how a given body prefers to deposit/lose fat.
Aaaaannnnnd? You take issue with that fact as it relates to The Abs
Diet why?
> This pattern cannot be manipulated..
> So the book appears to be but another run-of-the-mill
> hype, lose 12 lbs in X days, blah blah.
> Please....
But it's not run-of-the-mill. It's... HARLEY ORANGE!!!
Although I'm sure some might say The Abs Diet smacks of hucksterism, I
see it as an
entertaining style of writing. References to pop culture in Archie
Bunker, enthusiasm-building visual imagery in "fat furnaces" and, yes,
a BUY NOW! TODAY! directive in "you'll lose up to 12 pounds of
fat--from your belly first!" But the information is rock solid.
And I know I'm a cheerleader for this book and, yes, therefore biased,
so check out
what Publishers Weekly has to say:
Eat everything. Concentrate on whole grains. Drink milk. Balance
protein with carbohydrates. Avoid processed sugars. Do some exercise.
The idea that a diet book making such proposals comes as a pleasant
surprise shows just how far afield we've gone in the search for new
ways to be fit. The only thing new about this diet by the
editor-in-chief of Men's Health is its name, and this, one can presume,
is because nowadays, a book simply called "Sensible Eating" wouldn't
sell. The book's title is indeed misleading; only the final chapter
deals solely with abs. The rest is full of rational recommendations for
a realistic diet plan: eat more and smaller meals; have oatmeal in the
morning for a nourishing breakfast; don't starve yourself; drink plenty
of water; and stay away from sodas and foods that contain high-fructose
corn syrup. Whether readers will, in the end, walk away with abs of
steel is not really the point. They'll control their weight in a
healthy way, without counting calories, cutting out whole food groups
or supporting the beef futures market. Best of all, this book tells
readers why it works: increase your body's metabolism, gain some muscle
and fat burns away. The authors make this seem like a fresh and very
attainable ideal.
/quote from
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579549985/104-4021844-4537547?v=glance&n=283155
aka http://tinyurl.com/pmykv
The Amazon link or TinyURL link will take you to Amazon's Abs Diet page
which, along with book specifics, offers 146 customer reviews not all
of which are especially glowing, which possibly serves to offset my
bias in favor of the book.
I was first introduced to the book courtesy of Amazing Abs, a
just-less-than-magazine-size book from Men's Health and the good people
at Rodale Inc.
Amazing Abs has much the same info as The Abs Diet but with a lot more
pictures. The cover screams "LOSE YOUR GUT! Exclusive! Abs Diet
Excerpt" and has a pic of a guy displaying a cover model six-pack.
I liked the humor and no-nonsense approach used in that book. Diet and
exercise plans, visually appealing with tons of pics of male and female
models demonstrating correct exercise performance. Amazing Abs is a
collection of bits and pieces of other Rodale books edited together in
a truly artful way, imo. Informative, attractive, accessible.
Enjoying that book piqued my interest in The Abs Diet. Fwiw, it's a New
York Times bestseller. It's written in an engaging manner,
straightforward, intelligent, and, yes, again, with humor. Early in the
book, the message "Changing the Way You Think About the Word Diet" is
offered as a headline. The book does just that. The writers say it
better than I ever could:
"For years - or maybe for all your life - you've probably had one
notion about what dieting needs to be. Restrict your foods, eat like a
supermodel, sweat on the treadmill, and you'll lose fat. In reality,
those could be the very reasons why you couldn't lose weight. It's why
you gained back what you lost. It's the reason why your steamboat
metabolism may have geared down to that of an anchored barge. It's why
you don't see much progress when you try new weight-loss programs. And
it's why the only real recipe many diet plans offer is a recipe for
pecan-encrusted failure."
That's some visual imagery. I like it. A lot. Yeah, it could probably
be boiled down to five or ten pages of text, but for ten bucks, this
book and its philosophy, imo, can't be beat.
And, yes, David Zinczenko (with Ted Spiker) has a good bit of P.T.
Barnum or carnival barker in him, but, imo, this book is not for
suckers*. Zinczenko's enthusiasm leaps from the page. Good information,
visually appealing, right price, and a motivational writing style all
equal a book I'm glad I purchased. Ymmv. ;o)
I also picked up The Abs Diet Eat Right Every Time Guide which includes
789 of what the authors call the best on-the-go food choices. It's
offered as a complete supermarket survival guide and contains 60
six-minute meals for a six-pack.
Curt
Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
> >> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
> >> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
> >> the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.
>
> > What for?
>
heh :o)
Okay, there's that. I mean everyone needs a goal. That Everest, right?
But re men's bodybuilding magazines, they also offer snapshots of the
female competitors in the sport. By way of example, the December 2006
issue of Muscle & Fitness has an article (WITH PICTURES) featuring IFBB
Figure Pro Valerie Waugaman showing how she sculpts her "world-class"
glutes.
Oh, yes!
THAR'S SOME MOTIVATION BETWIXT THEM PAGES!
> Pete
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JMW
>I wasn't aware swimming required intelligence.
My comment wasn't limited to swimming. It refers to nearly everything
that issues forth from your keyboard.
Jason Earl
> If he was there to pull you out than it isn't quite the same. Did
> he actually throw you in?
Oh yeah, he threw me in all right. I honestly think that I was mostly
concerned that I would disappoint him by not being able to swim. I
really looked up to my uncle (heck, I still do). To say that I
trusted him would be an understatement. I also was pretty sure he
wasn't going to fish me out until I was *really* starting to drown.
> I started swimming before I can even remember. I always pushed
> beyond what I was supposed to be doing.
I started swimming before I was five. It's one of my earliest
memories. As things go it was a pretty memorable way to learn to
swim.
Jason
Jason Earl
> Jason Earl wrote:
>> That's a very effective way to learn how to swim. I learned that
>> way. It was a little scary, but very effective.
>
> That's a very effective way to help a kid develop a lifelong dislike
> of the water. If you throw a person who really cannot swim into the
> water, he will likely drown. Even if they don't, they will not know
> how to swim any better than before you threw them in.
I disagree. I learned to swim this way and I know quite a few other
people that learned this way. It's not the way I am teaching my own
kids to swim, but I have to admit that I learned to swim far earlier
than they did. I spent most of the summer swimming. I grew up on a
lake, and was on the swim team starting at age eight.
So clearly this method of learning to swim doesn't traumatize everyone.
There's really no trick to the dog paddle, and that's where everyone
starts no matter who is teaching. It's basically simply a measure of
confidence.
> Thrashing around trying not to sink is not swimming. Swimming is
> propelling yourself through the water.
And... I guarantee that the first time you actually swam you didn't
utilize a perfect crawl stroke.
> Stephen N.--->swimming...good...
I couldn't agree more.
Jason
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Slimmer Thighs, or Tiny-er Ankles, Slimmer Calves, Tighter Upper Arms....
Well, almost word-for-word--would have to change the final chapter to
Thighs, or Ankles, or Calves or Arms....
And fat don't burn or melt away... it mebbe fizzles. Slowly.
Sensible advice amidst outrageous claims is a peculiar combo. Sorta like
shocking the stray dog, while giving it good meal.
And 12 lbs in 12 days is not so sensible.
There are always grains of truth--even from Tony fuknLittle--amidst the
hustle.
So how is the health consumer sposed to know who what when to believe?
Interestingly, and in welcome contrast, in the short thread Muscle loss
during diet, almost to a person the consensus was the paltry 1-lb/week loss
might be too steep for the OP--very surprising.
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Stephen N.
> "Stephen N." <Steely...@coldmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>Jason Earl wrote:
>>
>>>That's a very effective way to learn how to swim. I learned that
>>>way. It was a little scary, but very effective.
>>
>>That's a very effective way to help a kid develop a lifelong dislike
>>of the water. If you throw a person who really cannot swim into the
>>water, he will likely drown. Even if they don't, they will not know
>>how to swim any better than before you threw them in.
>
>
> I disagree. I learned to swim this way and I know quite a few other
> people that learned this way.
I disagree. You may have had motivation for doing more of what you
already knew, but you didn't learn it on your way into the water.
> It's not the way I am teaching my own
> kids to swim, but I have to admit that I learned to swim far earlier
> than they did. I spent most of the summer swimming. I grew up on a
> lake, and was on the swim team starting at age eight.
>
> So clearly this method of learning to swim doesn't traumatize everyone.
So, why not thow your kids into the deep end? It's good for them, right?
> There's really no trick to the dog paddle, and that's where everyone
> starts no matter who is teaching. It's basically simply a measure of
> confidence.
That could be true, if you know what the dog paddle is, an if you are
calm enough to do it for the first time in deep water.
>
>
>>Thrashing around trying not to sink is not swimming. Swimming is
>>propelling yourself through the water.
>
>
> And... I guarantee that the first time you actually swam you didn't
> utilize a perfect crawl stroke.
No I learned by watching and imitating those who could swim. I learned
late, I was 6 and I didn't learn to swim with a proper stoke and
breathing until I was 19 or so, again by watching and listening to
swimming intructors giving others lessons. I went from two lengths to
two miles in one year.
I first took my daughter into the pool when she was about two months old
and she loved the water. I put her in lessons non-stop and she passed
the last Red Cross swim rank when she was 8. We all swam several times
a week for years. About the same thing with my son and both are life
guards now which beats McDonalds as an after school/college part time job.
I am very sure that if I had thrown my son in back then, he would have
sunk and after I fished him out, he would never have gone near the pool
again.
Stephen N.---> the daughter was more of a daredevil, however...
Bully
[...]
Can you swim Curt?
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Helgi Briem
wrote:
>> I had a friend at the gym who worked his ass off every time he was
>> there. He hadn't seen any gains for over a year. It takes more than
>> just hard work to make muscle.
>
>Yes, protein.
Well, calories mostly. But you can get those from protein as well.
JMW
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:05:13 -0500, JMW
One that you can reach without sitting on the Boston Yellow Pages?
Mike
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:05:13 -0500, JMW
hahaha.....good response :)
Charles
That's more like it John boy, a little dash of humour! ;o)
Curt
> Curt wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Can you swim Curt?
The archives are wasted on you, Bully. Wasted.
And what's that catchy Neil (or is it Niel? WHO CARES?) directed quote?
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU YOOOOOOOOUUUUU!!!!!! :o)
Hth.
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
Curt
Clif bars: http://www.clifbar.com/
Looky there! Something perhaps USEFUL to MFW patrons.
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Bully
> Bully wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Can you swim Curt?
>
> The archives are wasted on you, Bully. Wasted.
>
> And what's that catchy Neil (or is it Niel? WHO CARES?) directed
> quote?
>
> FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU YOOOOOOOOUUUUU!!!!!! :o)
>
> Hth.
It would if you even had the faintest idea about the above quote!
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> Curt
> Clif bars: http://www.clifbar.com/
>
> Looky there! Something perhaps USEFUL to MFW patrons.
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> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
>
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Ted Shoemaker
>
As others have suggested,
. just get moving
. walking is a great way to start
. do a physical activity you enjoy so you will continue to do it
Consistency is very important. Even if it is just one 10 minute session
a week, it is better than nothing.
I will make some assumptions here. There is no problem with your
balance and you are probably overweight. You state that your children do
not need to lose weight.
You and your children should probably work on the remaining components
of physical fitness: strength, endurance, flexibility, and plyometric
ability (explosiveness). You and your kids should start eating healthfully.
Unless you are obese, a "diet" really shouldn't be necessary as long as you
exercise and eat properly.
One thing that you will find is that it is very easy to overdo it at the
beginning and become discouraged. This can also apply to out of shape
children. I strongly advise you to get a heart rate monitor. As you state
you are out of shape, you will be surprised at just how easy it will be for
you to bring your heart rate up to a very high rate without much effort.
There are many books and websites with programs that ease people into
regular exercise who are out of shape and in their forties or older. The
endurance part usually centers around training to a heart rate so you don't
overdo it. When it comes to weight lifting, very small increments over time
in additional weight will enable you to eventually lift greater weights in a
non-discouraging and safe manner.
Another thing you, but not your children, will find is that you don't
recover as fast as you did when you were in your twenties. You will
probably have to wait longer between sets, perhaps up to three minutes. You
will also find that you can rip and tear things much more easily so slow and
steady, with proper form, is a must. I have minor tears in the muscles all
around my shins because I thought I could still run on asphalt instead of
forcing myself to run only on a track.
Good Luck.
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Wish he'd hurry up and sink to the bottom.
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> On 8 Nov 2006 15:06:59 -0800, "JMW" <jmwill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Shute wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:12:32 -0500, JMW
>>> <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>>> >little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
>>> >called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach. You see, it been recognized
>>> >for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
>>> >whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
>>> >I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
>>> >butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
>>> >Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>>>
>>> I had a friend at the gym who worked his ass off every time he was
>>> there. He hadn't seen any gains for over a year. It takes more than
>>> just hard work to make muscle.
>>>
>>> You sound like the type of guy that would trhough someone in the water
>>> to teach them to swim.
>>
>>I suspect there are people here who would like to throw *you* into the
>>water without caring whether you can swim or not.
>
> Seems you have already been thrown in. You are drowning and
> desperately reaching for something to hold onto.
>
>
>
JMW
wrote:
>Good one.
>Wish he'd hurry up and sink to the bottom.
The same way you wish you could bury this?
Proctologically Violated┊
Man, you need a life.
Look, if you are attracted to me, and all this is the frustration of
unrequited deesire, mebbe S'gMD will take some of the edge off. Email me,
we'll work out a payment structure, and you can get it off your chest--or on
your chest, whatever.
Hey, it worked for Shuh....
Still not able to do those calculations??
Proly did good on the verbal SAT's but not so good on the math and
analytical parts, huh?
That's OK--I had plenty of pufessuhs who couldn't solve any of the fukn
problems. But,like you, they pontificated real good.
Yeah, yeah, what colleges, yeah yeah....
I think you are going to be out of job soon--either that, or arrested.
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Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
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The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!
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"JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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JMW
wrote:
>
>I think you are going to be out of job soon--either that, or arrested.
For what? Reprinting what *you* have written in the past?
Proctologically Violated┊
You really have that much time to do all this? wow....
In your attempts to expose people, you reveal far more than you know. Like,
well, why you cain't get laid--at least not without cash in advance.
But, when you finally lose your job, you should be able to spend more time
on those pesky calculations.
Oh, gee, yeah, they are irrelevant, cuz, well, they're mechanical,
numerical. Cain't have that, now, can we?
Still cain't shed any light on the concentric vs. eccentric effort? I'll
help you out, pretty soon.
Oh, but I'm sure you have another 40 page article you want me to read, on
which you have nary a clue.
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Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY
Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!
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all d'numbuhs
"JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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Curt
> "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote:
> >
> >I think you are going to be out of job soon--either that,
> >or arrested.
>
> For what?
Not that I want you fired or arrested, John, but if your personality
translates from Usenet at all to "the real world" then you may suffer
both simply from rubbing people the wrong way.
I've seen people fired for just getting on a manager's nerves. Oh,
sure, that's not what's on the paperwork, but - while working in
printing - I had a manager approach a group of the assistant operators
and ask for documentation to be started on a guy. We were to note any
behavior or action that could be used to get the guy out the front
door.
As I'm sure you're aware, it can be very difficult to fire someone,
however it starts somewhere. Often that somewhere is incompetence but
in other instances it's simply that the employee is... a jerk.
Arrested? Wrong place at the wrong time has been known to happen.
People perform criminal or illegal acts all the time. Run any "orange"
lights lately? Yup. You behaving, Johnny? And who's watching you?
Hth.
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Curt