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nom...@webtv.net

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Sep 22, 2001, 5:42:11 PM9/22/01
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I am choosing among various abdominal exercises to add to a Tai Chi-
Qigong routine I have been doing.

I find some exercises produce more of a "burn" ( for want of a better
word) than others. So I assume that more the little pain in the
abdominal area the better the exercise.

But is this always true? Are there some good abdominal exercise that do
not give that worked feeling in the abs.

Crunches ,for example, are time-consuming but don't produce that
stressed abs feeling for me.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Allan




nom...@webtv.net

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Sep 22, 2001, 5:41:39 PM9/22/01
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Top Sirloin

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Sep 22, 2001, 11:53:42 PM9/22/01
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT), nom...@webtv.net wrote:

>Are there some good abdominal exercise that do
>not give that worked feeling in the abs.

"just SQUAT you pathetic little freak!"


Scott Johnson
"I made the best gains of my life when I dumped
the "oh me so tired" crap and started getting on
with it for real." -Bryce Lane

Steve Freides

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Sep 23, 2001, 9:05:58 AM9/23/01
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The discomfort you feel, after you get used to the movement, doesn't
necessarily correlate with anything. If you want to strengthen your
abs, train them like other muscles, with a lot of resistance, not a lot
of repetitions. A $10 wheel on a stick from your local K-Mart will do
the trick nicely. If you can roll out and back a few times starting on
your knees, try it from a standing position, something I've yet to
master <sigh>.

-S-

Watson Davis

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Sep 26, 2001, 2:04:41 PM9/26/01
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT), nom...@webtv.net wrote:

>I am choosing among various abdominal exercises to add to a Tai Chi-
>Qigong routine I have been doing.
>
>I find some exercises produce more of a "burn" ( for want of a better
>word) than others. So I assume that more the little pain in the
>abdominal area the better the exercise.

You assume wrong.

>
>But is this always true? Are there some good abdominal exercise that do
>not give that worked feeling in the abs.

Squats and deadlifts work the abs if you do them right.

>
>Crunches ,for example, are time-consuming but don't produce that
>stressed abs feeling for me.
>
>Any advice would be appreciated.

Stop going for the burn or the pump. There are a zillion ab
exercises. No need to list them all.

Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis

Wayne S. Hill

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Sep 26, 2001, 6:26:50 PM9/26/01
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Watson Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT), nom...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >But is this always true? Are there some good abdominal exercise that
> >do not give that worked feeling in the abs.
>
> Squats and deadlifts work the abs if you do them right.

How true. The only ab exercises I currently do are (in chronological
order for a given week):

Squats, SLDL, bench press, military/push press (standing, thank you),
triceps pressdown, pullups, BB bent rowing, EZ curls (hate to admit that
one), DL, jump squats, and DB French press.

I think that covers it.

-Wayne

Tom Morley

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Sep 26, 2001, 6:43:12 PM9/26/01
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In article <3BB2562A...@nospam.world.std.com>, "Wayne S. Hill"
<wsh...@nospam.world.std.com> wrote:

Did you steal my current routine? Actually, I don't do jump
squats, but the rest is similar.

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Wayne S. Hill

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Sep 26, 2001, 7:25:28 PM9/26/01
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Tom Morley wrote:

> "Wayne S. Hill" wrote:
>
> > How true. The only ab exercises I currently do are (in
> > chronological order for a given week):
> >
> > Squats, SLDL, bench press, military/push press (standing, thank
> > you), triceps pressdown, pullups, BB bent rowing, EZ curls (hate to
> > admit that one), DL, jump squats, and DB French press.
> >
> > I think that covers it.
>
> Did you steal my current routine? Actually, I don't do jump
> squats, but the rest is similar.

Well, in that case, get in there and do some jump squats!

I didn't mention the DB inclines I do after speed bench and before DB
French press on Fridays, which I didn't really think of as an ab
exercise, but it really is, so add that in, too.

TIA for your compliance.

-Wayne

Top Sirloin

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Sep 26, 2001, 9:44:30 PM9/26/01
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:25:28 -0400, "Wayne S. Hill"
<wsh...@nospam.world.std.com> wrote:

>Well, in that case, get in there and do some jump squats!

What kind of weight do you use for those?


Scott Johnson
"Science suggests that beer and 98 degree heat do not enhance your
swimming ability, but I think it's a really, really good idea for
people to test that theory as often as possible. What are you, a
pussy? You can do it, champ."
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Wayne S. Hill

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Sep 27, 2001, 7:59:48 AM9/27/01
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Top Sirloin wrote:

> "Wayne S. Hill" wrote:
>
> >Well, in that case, get in there and do some jump squats!
>
> What kind of weight do you use for those?

Kinda light, like 50-60% of your max full squat. You do a half-squat at
most, and jump as high as possible. I do 3 sets of 5, although it might
be better to do 5 sets of 3. You should, of course, try it with a bare
bar first, and gradually work up the weights as you get used to them.

One important thing: when you land, actively bend your knees to avoid a
heavy jarring feeling in the knees. When I do them, it feels like my
knees are pre-bent when I land, although I think this is probably a
mental imagery thing, since jumping hard results in straight legs on
takeoff. I think what's really happening is that I avoid developing
resisting force until my knees are sufficiently bent, so it feels like
my knees are bent when I land.

-Wayne

Top Sirloin

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Sep 27, 2001, 11:07:39 AM9/27/01
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:59:48 -0400, "Wayne S. Hill"
<wsh...@nospam.world.std.com> wrote:

>Kinda light, like 50-60% of your max full squat. You do a half-squat at
>most, and jump as high as possible. I do 3 sets of 5, although it might
>be better to do 5 sets of 3. You should, of course, try it with a bare
>bar first, and gradually work up the weights as you get used to them.

Cool. Has your vertical gone up? Is that your goal?


-Scott Johnson
"Anyhow, my point is that no matter what the problem, massive
compound movements can make you forget them." -Dave M.

Ken Koellner

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Sep 27, 2001, 11:55:19 AM9/27/01
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Is a jump squat like a regular squat with a BB on your shoulders but you
come up fast enough to get into the air? That sounds way scary. Is
there a video of this on the web anywhere? Could you do DB squats
to make it less scary?

-Ken

Top Sirloin

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Sep 27, 2001, 3:28:15 PM9/27/01
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:55:19 -0400, Ken Koellner <k...@ultranet.com> wrote:

>Is a jump squat like a regular squat with a BB on your shoulders but you
>come up fast enough to get into the air?

Yup.

>That sounds way scary.

Scary the first time, fun the second!

>Is there a video of this on the web anywhere? Could you do DB squats
>to make it less scary?

Those would work as long as they didn't get in your way.

Wayne S. Hill

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Sep 27, 2001, 6:11:04 PM9/27/01
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Top Sirloin wrote:
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> Cool. Has your vertical gone up? Is that your goal?

That is definitely my goal, and I'm sure it's helped, but don't know by
how much (if nothing else, my jump squat height has definitely gone up).
I just felt that I needed to do something about my jumping ability. I
had a really good VJ in my youth, and I realized a while back that I was
actually afraid to try a big jump (I guess out of concern for my knees).

Hmm, I guess I'll have to give it a try one of these days. How about a
high 5 to celebrate a Ferrari 1-2 finish?

-Wayne

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