freakin' frustrated
oregonchick
think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass kicking... Here's the
thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm female, 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a
baby in December, and I was sure by now I'd be back to prepregnancy weight.
I am doing a full body weight routine 3 times a week, and have been for 3
months. I do cardio 4-5 times a week - 45+ minutes on the elliptical. In
the past month or so, I've been doing one long bike ride (20-40 miles) about
once every week in addition. My stamina is up, my energy is up, I feel
better, yadda yadda. But the damned scale hasn't moved hardly at all..maybe
2 lbs. I average 1600-1800 calories per day. I thought this was pretty
reasonable with my level of activity lately. But I guess not... or I'd be
losing weight. I lost weight before at that level. I'd love to think I was
losing fat and gaining muscle, but while my clothes are fitting looser, I
haven't gone down a whole pants size.
I know I'm doing something wrong. I'm the kind of impatient person that
gets frustrated and discouraged if I don't see SOME progress. It doesn't
help that I just got back from vacation and I have zero motivation. I'm
kind of tempted to try something like a fast, just for a week, to jump start
things again, I don't believe in fad diets or quick fixes, but I need to get
a handle on things again. What kind of results could I hope to see on
something like a protein sparing fast?
Betsy
David Cohen
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote
Large amounts of fat lost with minimal muscle loss.
Ironically, they call it a protein sparing modified fast. Go figure :)
Buy the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967145643/sr=1-2/qid=1156222652/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0657946-6776816?ie=UTF8&s=books
David
Kettlebell Inc
oregonchick wrote:
> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But I guess I'm here because I
> think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass kicking... Here's the
> thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm female, 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a
> baby in December, and I was sure by now I'd be back to prepregnancy weight.
> Betsy
Hi Betsy,
Check out this site:
http://www.nofearfitness.com
Lisa will be able to set you up. She is a Mother of 3 and an awesome
fitness instructor. She has a lot of experience with training after
pregnancy.
Best of luck,
John
Curt James
> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But <snip>
But me no buts! ;o) Prepare for an ass kicking!
First, however... congratulations on the December baby.
> I'm kind of tempted to try something like a fast, just for
> a week, to jump start things again,
I believe fasts can be a healthy choice, however I also believe I lost
too much muscle - certainly strength when I gave that a shot. BAH!
> I don't believe in fad diets <snip>
IT'S NOT A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!
/whine
Ten bucks (or so), Betsy. Please give it a look.
Wishing you all the best,
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
oregonchick
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156223027.7...@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
But it wants me to sign up for men's health newsleters or something like
that... What about Lyle's book? It has good reviews on Amazon....lol.
Seriously, before I buy a book on a diet, what is so special about this abs
diet, and why can't you just post what I'm supposed to do here? Pretty
please...
oregonchick
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:oawGg.20$bM...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Why did he have to write such an expensive book? It had better be damned
good... If it doesn't work any better than the thigh master, I'll be
ticked.
Curt James
> oregonchick wrote:
> > Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But <snip>
> http://theabsdiet.com/
> /plug
[...]
Grrr. My doofus fake html "ran into" the provided URL in my previous
post. Regardless of whether you purchase the book David recommends
(link elsewhere in this thread) or investigate the site John provided
the link to (link elsewhere in this thread, too, and the site looks
great, btw), or take a peek at The Abs Diet, wishing you a *CRUSHED*
plateau!
And, Betsy, I can definitely identify or empathize with
"goals-yet-to-be-achieved" frustration. Seemingly FOREVER I've been
striving for the elusive 15" bicep and 45" chest (puffed up like a
blowfish) measurement. Well, Sunday, August 20, with a mongo pump, my
right bicep measured... 14 7/8".
AAAUUUGGHH!!!
I am the Charlie Brown of bodybuilding! And my tape measure is named
Lucy Van Pelt. :o/
But my chest (flexed and with an equally mongo pump and hyoooge gulp of
air) taped at 45 inches FINALLY! (Although, yeah, pumped measurements
don't count in my book. Still, it was cool for this skinny man to
stretch the tape that far.)
Keep striving.
--
Curt
Curt James
[...]
> But it wants me to sign up for men's health newsleters
> or something like that...
Forget the newsletters. :o)
> What about Lyle's book? It has good reviews on Amazon....
> lol.
I'll trust you on those Amazon reviews and although I'm unfamiliar with
Lyle's book, I'll take Cohen's word on that recommendation.
> Seriously, before I buy a book on a diet,
Heck, ping me with your snail mail and I'll send you a copy! Just give
the diet an honest shot and post a follow-up report to MFW, Betsy.
> what is so special about this abs diet,
FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK THAT QUESTION, BETSY!!!!
Some I'm sure would say the http://theabsdiet.com/ website smacks of
hucksterism, but I see it as an entertaining style of writing.
References to pop culture in Archie Bunker, enthusiasm-building visual
imagery in "fat furnaces" and, yes, a BUY NOW! TODAY! directive in
"you'll lose up to 12 pounds of fat--from your belly first!" But the
information is rock solid.
I know I'm a cheerleader for this book and, yes, biased, so check out
what Publishers Weekly has to say:
Eat everything. Concentrate on whole grains. Drink milk. Balance
protein with carbohydrates. Avoid processed sugars. Do some exercise.
The idea that a diet book making such proposals comes as a pleasant
surprise shows just how far afield we've gone in the search for new
ways to be fit. The only thing new about this diet by the
editor-in-chief of Men's Health is its name, and this, one can presume,
is because nowadays, a book simply called "Sensible Eating" wouldn't
sell. The book's title is indeed misleading; only the final chapter
deals solely with abs. The rest is full of rational recommendations for
a realistic diet plan: eat more and smaller meals; have oatmeal in the
morning for a nourishing breakfast; don't starve yourself; drink plenty
of water; and stay away from sodas and foods that contain high-fructose
corn syrup. Whether readers will, in the end, walk away with abs of
steel is not really the point. They'll control their weight in a
healthy way, without counting calories, cutting out whole food groups
or supporting the beef futures market. Best of all, this book tells
readers why it works: increase your body's metabolism, gain some muscle
and fat burns away. The authors make this seem like a fresh and very
attainable ideal.
/quote from
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579549985/104-4021844-4537547?v=glance&n=283155
aka http://tinyurl.com/pmykv
The Amazon link or TinyURL link will take you to Amazon's Abs Diet page
which, along with book specifics, offers 146 customer reviews not all
of which are especially glowing, which might dull any alarm bells which
might be ringing.
What's so special about The Abs Diet???
Why, it's Harley orange*! What can I say?
Seriously, I was first introduced to the book courtesy of Amazing Abs,
a just-less-than-magazine-size book from Men's Health and the good
people at Rodale Inc.
Amazing Abs has much the same info as The Abs Diet but with a lot more
pictures. The cover screams "LOSE YOUR GUT! Exclusive! Abs Diet
Excerpt" and has a pic of a guy displaying a cover model six-pack.
I liked the humor and no-nonsense approach used in that book. Diet and
exercise plans, visually appealing with tons of pics of male and female
models demonstrating correct exercise performance. Amazing Abs is a
collection of bits and pieces of other Rodale books edited together in
a truly artful way, imo. Informative, attractive, accessible.
Enjoying that book piqued my interest in The Abs Diet. Fwiw, it's a New
York Times bestseller. It's written in an engaging manner,
straightforward, intelligent, and, yes, again, with humor. Early in the
book, the message "Changing the Way You Think About the Word Diet" is
offered as a headline. The book does just that. The writers say it
better than I ever could:
"For years - or maybe for all your life - you've probably had one
notion about what dieting needs to be. Restrict your foods, eat like a
supermodel, sweat on the treadmill, and you'll lose fat. In reality,
those could be the very reasons why you couldn't lose weight. It's why
you gained back what you lost. It's the reason why your steamboat
metabolism may have geared down to that of an anchored barge. It's why
you don't see much progress when you try new weight-loss programs. And
it's why the only real recipe many diet plans offer is a recipe for
pecan-encrusted failure."
That's some visual imagery. I like it. A lot. Yeah, it could probably
be boiled down to five or ten pages of text, but for ten bucks, this
book and its philosophy, imo, can't be beat.
And, yes, David Zinczenko (with Ted Spiker) has a good bit of P.T.
Barnum or carnival barker in him, but, imo, this book is not for
suckers**. Zinczenko's enthusiasm leaps from the page. Good
information, visually appealing, right price, and a motivational
writing style all equal a book I'm glad I purchased. Ymmv. ;o)
I also picked up The Abs Diet Eat Right Every Time Guide which includes
789 of what the authors call the best on-the-go food choices. It's
offered as a complete supermarket survival guide and contains 60
six-minute meals for a six-pack.
*Note to Jason Earl: Technically, I don't believe the cover color IS
"Harley" orange. But it's certainly a FLUORESCENT orange that really
grabs your (okay MY) attention.
**bonus trivia wrt the suckers quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute
> and why can't you just post what I'm supposed to do here?
I'm sure I could boil it down to a few sentences, but I doubt that'd do
either the book or your weight loss efforts any justice, Betsy.
> Pretty please...
Still, I'm offering you a copy of The Abs Diet for the cost of a go at
the book's recommendations and a follow-up report to the newsgroup.
What! A! Baaahgain!
--
Curt
the gmail address works
David Cohen
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote >>
It's called capitalism. Lyle had a product, decided on a price, and offers
it for sale. You are free to buy, or not buy, the book.
What are you, a freakin' Commie?
> It had better be damned good... If it doesn't work any better than the
> thigh master, I'll be ticked.
It's has worked well for many, including me, and has probably not worked
well for others.
It's not like you're risking your retirement account or a house
repossession. Think of all the money you'll save on the food you won't be
buying.
David
Curt James
[...]
> It's not like you're risking your retirement account
> or a house repossession.
How do you know? Maybe she contributes just five cents each year to her
IRA account! And perhaps her mortgage payment would come up short to
the tune of, say, THE COST OF LYLE'S BOOK!
HA! Didn't think of THAT, did you?!
> Think of all the money you'll save on the food you won't
> be buying.
Damn. Okay, ya got me there.
--
Curt
Jen
> oregonchick wrote:
> [...]
>
>> But it wants me to sign up for men's health newsleters
>> or something like that...
>
> Forget the newsletters. :o)
>
>> What about Lyle's book? It has good reviews on Amazon....
>> lol.
>
> I'll trust you on those Amazon reviews and although I'm unfamiliar with
> Lyle's book, I'll take Cohen's word on that recommendation.
>
>> Seriously, before I buy a book on a diet,
>
> Heck, ping me with your snail mail and I'll send you a copy! Just give
> the diet an honest shot and post a follow-up report to MFW, Betsy.
>
So Curt, has it worked for you? How much weight have you lost?
Jen
Tom Anderson
> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But I guess I'm here because I
> think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass kicking... Here's the
> thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm female, 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a
> baby in December, and I was sure by now I'd be back to prepregnancy weight.
> I am doing a full body weight routine 3 times a week, and have been for 3
> months. I do cardio 4-5 times a week - 45+ minutes on the elliptical. In
> the past month or so, I've been doing one long bike ride (20-40 miles) about
> once every week in addition. My stamina is up, my energy is up, I feel
> better, yadda yadda. But the damned scale hasn't moved hardly at all..maybe
> 2 lbs. I average 1600-1800 calories per day.
How about going to 1400-1600 calories per day, or even less? Or doing 60+
minutes on the crosstrainer, or doing two long bike rides a week?
It sounds like at present, your energy intake is more or less equal to
your energy output. To lose weight, you need it to be less than your
energy output. So, either decrease the input, or increase the output. Or
both.
Hmm. Maybe i should write a book on this and call it 'The First Law of
Thermodynamics Diet'. All with a picture of James Joule on the front:
http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/j/fotos/joule.jpg
tom
--
Don't ask me man, i didn't do it.
Pete
> lyle mcdonald was truly a fruitcake among fruitcakes.
But he knew his shit about training.
> what happened to him, anyway?
No idea.
----
Pete
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> Heck, ping me with your snail mail and I'll send you a copy!
So not a good idea. Please don't do this, Betsy.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
Forget about your weight... ;-)
What is your body fat percentage????
Muscle weighs more than fat.
How do you look naked in the mirror?
How do your clothes fit?
That's what counts, not numbers on a scale!!!!!
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
> > Large amounts of fat lost with minimal muscle loss.
> >
> > Ironically, they call it a protein sparing modified fast. Go figure :)
> >
> > Buy the book:
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967145643/sr=1-2/qid=1156222652/ref=pd_bbs
> > _2/002-0657946-6776816?ie=UTF8&s=books
> >
> > David
>
>
> Why did he have to write such an expensive book? It had better be damned
> good... If it doesn't work any better than the thigh master, I'll be
> ticked.
It's not expensive!
Sheesh!
I'm a Scott/Jew and even _I_ sprang for the book.
It was worth every penny....
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> It's not like you're risking your retirement account or a house
> repossession. Think of all the money you'll save on the food you won't be
> buying.
>
> David
<snicker>
True dat. ;-)
Pete
> Forget about your weight... ;-)
> What is your body fat percentage????
I believe some guy in this group has said something similair before...
> Muscle weighs more than fat.
True...
> How do you look naked in the mirror?
Well, not bad. Thank you..
----
Pete
oregonchick
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ompomelet-141FE...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <MuednfzGXrS0DnfZ...@comcast.com>,
> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
>
>> > Large amounts of fat lost with minimal muscle loss.
>> >
>> > Ironically, they call it a protein sparing modified fast. Go figure :)
>> >
>> > Buy the book:
>> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967145643/sr=1-2/qid=1156222652/ref=pd_bbs
>> > _2/002-0657946-6776816?ie=UTF8&s=books
>> >
>> > David
>>
>>
>> Why did he have to write such an expensive book? It had better be damned
>> good... If it doesn't work any better than the thigh master, I'll be
>> ticked.
>
> It's not expensive!
>
> Sheesh!
>
> I'm a Scott/Jew and even _I_ sprang for the book.
>
> It was worth every penny....
Ok, if it works, it's worth the $40. There are so many fad diets, I am just
skeptical. I understand it isn't an "easy" diet to maintain for very long,
Lyle himself says so. I have the willpower to do whatever it takes - and I
don't think my goals are unrealistic. If I could drop just 2 or 3 lbs on a
fast (of fat, not water or muscle), it would be enough for me to feel like I
was getting somewhere and it would renew my enthusiasm.
Betsy
oregonchick
Since you have personal experience with the diet, would you be willing to
share a bit about your experience? How much did you want to lose? Was the
diet terribly painful? How long were you on it? Did the hunger pains go
away after awhile?
I've never fasted before, and I just imagine feeling weak and faint for the
duration.
oregonchick
I haven't had it measured for about 2 months. But my clothes are only
marginally looser. I was a size 12, now my 10's are fitting pretty well.
But my waist has only lost about 1/2", and my thighs about 1/2", and my hips
about 1". Not really dramatic...
David Cohen
It's a "modified" fast. You eat a shitload of protein, a double shitload of
fibrous vegetables, and supplemental essential fatty acids.
I have now done a PSMF a half a dozen times. For me, it is an ideal diet. I
can maintain a lot of willpower for a short period of time, so I can do an
extreme diet for a few weeks to a few months, and do it as often as
necessary. I HATE eating a little under maintenence for a long period of
time, so, standard dieting sucks!
The first time, I went from the 260s and BF in the 30s, to the 190s and BF
in the low teens. Took a few months.
I'm a bit bigger than you. Your experiences will differ.
If you don't like it, sell the book to some fat friends.
David
Hobbes
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
I've used diets like these to make weight for weightlifting and
powerlifting competitions.
It isn't fun. But it is the best of the quick weight loss plans. You are
initially hungry, but since you can eat protein you are able to sate the
appetite to a certain degree. I had no other problems. I was able to
continue to train. My energy levels weren't bad. Some people complain
about lack of mental focus, but I had no problems with concentration.
OTOH - I've been in a number of sports where making weight is crucial
and have done crazy things like dropping 14 lbs in 24 hrs. So this is a
pretty sane approach for me. (BTW - the 14 lbs was obviously water and
is not recommended for anyone.)
--
Keith
Will Brink
> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But I guess I'm here because I
> think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass kicking...
A good description yes.
> Here's the
> thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm female, 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a
> baby in December, and I was sure by now I'd be back to prepregnancy weight.
> I am doing a full body weight routine 3 times a week, and have been for 3
> months. I do cardio 4-5 times a week - 45+ minutes on the elliptical. In
> the past month or so, I've been doing one long bike ride (20-40 miles) about
> once every week in addition. My stamina is up, my energy is up, I feel
> better, yadda yadda. But the damned scale hasn't moved hardly at all..maybe
> 2 lbs. I average 1600-1800 calories per day. I thought this was pretty
> reasonable with my level of activity lately. But I guess not... or I'd be
> losing weight. I lost weight before at that level. I'd love to think I was
> losing fat and gaining muscle, but while my clothes are fitting looser, I
> haven't gone down a whole pants size.
Only one way to know, and you aint doing it. Get bodyfat tester such as an
accumeasure or others. Test BF, see what happens.
>
> I know I'm doing something wrong. I'm the kind of impatient person that
> gets frustrated and discouraged if I don't see SOME progress. It doesn't
> help that I just got back from vacation and I have zero motivation. I'm
> kind of tempted to try something like a fast, just for a week, to jump start
> things again, I don't believe in fad diets or quick fixes, but I need to get
> a handle on things again. What kind of results could I hope to see on
> something like a protein sparing fast?
Im not a fan.
>
> Betsy
oregonchick
That is where I really struggle. If I'm only maintaining a couple hundred
calorie deficit, then have a "splurge" meal, or a couple beers, in one week,
it can easily become a wash. Then, no progress, frustration, give up.
>
> The first time, I went from the 260s and BF in the 30s, to the 190s and BF
> in the low teens. Took a few months.
I need to lose 10 lbs of fat. But even if I lose 5, I will look and feel
way better.
>
> I'm a bit bigger than you. Your experiences will differ.
>
> If you don't like it, sell the book to some fat friends.
Hmm.. I have several of those!
Jason Earl
> David
I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one to
get?
Jason
JMW
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
> > Forget about your weight... ;-)
> > What is your body fat percentage????
>
> I haven't had it measured for about 2 months. But my clothes are only
> marginally looser. I was a size 12, now my 10's are fitting pretty well.
> But my waist has only lost about 1/2", and my thighs about 1/2", and my hips
> about 1". Not really dramatic...
Just remember that the closer you get to goal, the more difficult it
will be. It's not going to happen overnight. The PSMF diet might be for
you. It's worth a shot anyway. It works well for me, if I can stick with
it. ;-)
David Cohen
"JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
Buy 'em all.
I like to be predictable.
But, actually, while they're all good for their intended purposes, "The
Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" is the one that worked for me, for my purposes, for
my psychological makeup.
How successful one would be on any of the other programs, in the other
books, I don't know. I can only testify to the effectiveness of one of them,
for me.
David
David Cohen
"DZ" <29768@3013619455.1653026692.6335.11881.14180> wrote
> Tom Anderson <tw...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> oregonchick wrote:
>>> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But I guess I'm here
>>> because I think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass
>>> kicking... Here's the thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm
>>> female, 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a baby in December, and I was
>>> sure by now I'd be back to prepregnancy weight. I am doing a full
>>> body weight routine 3 times a week, and have been for 3 months. I
>>> do cardio 4-5 times a week - 45+ minutes on the elliptical. In the
>>> past month or so, I've been doing one long bike ride (20-40 miles)
>>> about once every week in addition. My stamina is up, my energy is
>>> up, I feel better, yadda yadda. But the damned scale hasn't moved
>>> hardly at all..maybe 2 lbs. I average 1600-1800 calories per day.
>>
>> How about going to 1400-1600 calories per day, or even less? Or doing 60+
>> minutes on the crosstrainer, or doing two long bike rides a week?
>
> deficient in any of the essential nutrients. It sounds like CRON
> (Calorie Restriction with Optimal Nutrition) which may require the
> Cohen-style supplementation.
You say that like 34 tablets/pills/capsules, 2 liquids, and 6 powders, per
day, are a lot.
Doesn't everybody do similar?
David
oregonchick
> In article <KtydnQzOfZr3hXbZ...@comcast.com>,
> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
>
>> > Forget about your weight... ;-)
>> > What is your body fat percentage????
>>
>> I haven't had it measured for about 2 months. But my clothes are only
>> marginally looser. I was a size 12, now my 10's are fitting pretty well.
>> But my waist has only lost about 1/2", and my thighs about 1/2", and my
>> hips
>> about 1". Not really dramatic...
>
> Just remember that the closer you get to goal, the more difficult it
> will be. It's not going to happen overnight. The PSMF diet might be for
> you. It's worth a shot anyway. It works well for me, if I can stick with
> it. ;-)
Thanks. I'm not looking to drop all the weight via a fast. Just a couple
lbs. I just need a jumpstart...
Jason Earl
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one
>>to get?
>
> Cohen is a Lyle flankie. He'll tell you to buy 'em all.
Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
this particular spelling a couple of times now.
I tend to take a very predictable tack when fishing for advice on
reading material. Once I have identified an author whose work I am
interested in sampling I ask someone that is a fan of the author for a
good starting point.
Most authors with more than one book to their credit tend to have one
book which is considered their magnum opus. Either that, or they have
a book that is considered the best place to start for newbies.
Generally speaking, I have found that it saves time and energy if you
take the time to learn from someone else's experience. Especially if
the someone in question can be trusted.
Jason
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
<lol> I hate to admit it, but I can relate to that. ;-)
OmManiPadmeOmelet
DZ <77...@292853100.2647025643.12258.22056.11598> wrote:
> > You say that like 34 tablets/pills/capsules, 2 liquids, and 6 powders, per
> > day, are a lot.
>
> Due to anatomy of the human brain, anything more than about three
> is "a lot".
>
> > Doesn't everybody do similar?
>
> I refuse to answer this question. For those of us with the funny
> accent, either too much or too little can be grounds for deportation,
> even if it's just vitamin C.
Not sure why, but that struck me as hilariously funny...
Thanks!
Laughter is good for an endorphin fix.
Jason Earl
> "JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>>I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one
>>>to get?
>>
>> Cohen is a Lyle flankie. He'll tell you to buy 'em all.
>
> Buy 'em all.
>
> I like to be predictable.
>
> But, actually, while they're all good for their intended purposes,
> "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" is the one that worked for me, for my
> purposes, for my psychological makeup.
>
> How successful one would be on any of the other programs, in the
> other books, I don't know. I can only testify to the effectiveness
> of one of them, for me.
>
> David
Thanks David. As I mentioned in my response to JMW I am basically
fishing for a place to start on Lyle's work. I've heard good things
about him from a number of sources, and I am naturally curious. I'm
not even sure when I would get around to reading his book, but since
the subject came up...
I certainly realize that diet and nutrition is very individual. My
own weight loss has been slow with an average loss of about 10 pounds
per year, so this sort of "crash" diet might not fit my temperament
very well. Still, learning is pretty much always a good thing, even
if all you learn is what *doesn't* work for you.
Jason
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
Take a laxative...... ;-)
Just kidding!
Seriously, at your point, if you can lose two lbs. of REAL weight in 2
weeks, that'd probably be about right?
Do others concur?
Do have your thyroid checked just for grins.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
IIRC, "Flankie" is an old inside list joke based on a mis-spelling by a
list member _ages_ ago.
If you have the patience and time, you can probably google it. I don't.
My bedtime is in 2 minutes...
Curt James
[...]
re The Abs Diet
> So Curt, has it worked for you?
I purchased the book for its exercise and nutrition advice and, yes, it
has worked for me.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/elgordito.jpg
> How much weight have you lost?
However, I've actually gained weight as my muscle mass has increased.
(THAAAAAT'S WHAT THEY ALL SAY!) And muscle mass is my main goal at this
time.
My cold (no pump) flexed biceps measurement is 14 1/2" which is a
measurement I hadn't seen since I was a teenager. And I give credit, in
part, to the influence of this newsgroup. I weigh 187 lbs. after my
oatmeal, fat-free milk, and a few gulps of orange juice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/B.jpg
And with The Abs Diet, the continued camaraderie of MFW, and, yeah,
yours truly actually getting to the gym, I know I can continue to
improve.
> Jen
--
Curt
Jason Earl
> David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Due to anatomy of the human brain, anything more than about three is
> "a lot".
>
>> Doesn't everybody do similar?
>
> I refuse to answer this question. For those of us with the funny
> accent, either too much or too little can be grounds for
> deportation, even if it's just vitamin C.
Another excellent post DZ.
Jason
Jason Earl
> In article <87lkpgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
>> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>
> IIRC, "Flankie" is an old inside list joke based on a mis-spelling
> by a list member _ages_ ago.
>
> If you have the patience and time, you can probably google it. I
> don't. My bedtime is in 2 minutes...
That makes sense. Once could have been a misspelling, but I was
pretty sure I had seen it several times.
Jason
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
>
> > Heck, ping me with your snail mail and I'll send you a copy!
>
> So not a good idea. Please don't do this, <snip>.
Hey, it'd save me $10.88 and postage to wherever - make it a work
address or some big bouncer-type guy's address if I get your
mean-spirited drift, Queen.
Regardless, let me remind you, Queen, that you are the one who
initiated our email exchanges. You were flattering in your initial
emails, in fact. Not once did you comment on any dissatisfaction or
discomfort wrt my replies. Not until after you'd made new friends and
then posted your complaint in a response here in MFW.
Warn all you want, but I'm simply offering an option. I'll even erase
the requirements on that initial offer. And I'd offer the same to
Jason, but he said he's happy with his current DZ-inspired course of
action.
On top of that, I've offered you advice in the past which you've gladly
taken.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/a7aeac1247deacc9
aka http://tinyurl.com/nq2dj
Funny, that.
--
Curt
oregonchick
> In article <r_idncNvsdfk13bZ...@comcast.com>,
> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ompomelet-AC33C...@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <KtydnQzOfZr3hXbZ...@comcast.com>,
>> > "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Forget about your weight... ;-)
>> >> > What is your body fat percentage????
>> >>
>> >> I haven't had it measured for about 2 months. But my clothes are only
>> >> marginally looser. I was a size 12, now my 10's are fitting pretty
>> >> well.
>> >> But my waist has only lost about 1/2", and my thighs about 1/2", and
>> >> my
>> >> hips
>> >> about 1". Not really dramatic...
>> >
>> > Just remember that the closer you get to goal, the more difficult it
>> > will be. It's not going to happen overnight. The PSMF diet might be for
>> > you. It's worth a shot anyway. It works well for me, if I can stick
>> > with
>> > it. ;-)
>>
>> Thanks. I'm not looking to drop all the weight via a fast. Just a
>> couple
>> lbs. I just need a jumpstart...
>
> Take a laxative...... ;-)
Um, that would be SOME TURD.
>
> Just kidding!
>
> Seriously, at your point, if you can lose two lbs. of REAL weight in 2
> weeks, that'd probably be about right?
>
> Do others concur?
>
> Do have your thyroid checked just for grins.
Thinkin' about it. Hubby just found out he has subclinical hypo. Not that
it'd rub off or anything. If this fast doesn't do it, I'll be getting some
labs done.
Jason Earl
> Pez D Spencer <colec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> on the subject of vitamin c: there seems to be an idea out there
>> floating around that more is better no matter what the amount...even to
>> the point of taking 10+ grams per day. this is a concept that was
>> perpetuated by the brilliant nobel prize winning chemist linus pauling.
>>
>> originally, pauling suggested 250 mgs per day, but slowly increased his
>> recommendation over the years to the point where he was personally
>> taking 18 grams per day.
>>
>> i read two of his books when i was younger, and thought that his
>> recommendations for high doses of vitamin c was sound. over a year
>> ago, i finally tested his theory by taking 10-20 grams of vitamin c
>> crystals per day for 8 months straight.
>>
>> what i can tell you is that it depressed my immune system to the point
>> where i was falling severely ill roughly every three weeks. i couldn't
>> believe it. wasn't vitamin c supposed to be good for the immune
>> system? so, i looked over my research again, because i remembered one
>> research paper that, unlike every other article, suggested that high
>> vitamin c intake can suppress the immune system.
>
> Ok thanks. Maybe I'll look for who is citing this and in what context
> (there have been 40 citations since 1977).
>
>> to me, the size of the test group was too small to be significant,
>
> They also misspelled "activity" as "ativity" in the title. But I'm
> going to forgive it. Last year we wrote a paper that had a word
> "large" in the title, which sounded impressive and stuff. But then I
> realized that at the time the paper was accepted, it was a LaTeX
> formatting command, "\Large", that I put there to indicate the start
> of a large size font. That was merged as a word into the originally
> somewhat humbler title by mistake during the typesetting. I have to
> say it worked out better this way.
>
> DZ
I lurk on comp.text.tex and so a LaTeX joke on mfw goes over well.
Jason
Jason Earl
<snip>
> Warn all you want, but I'm simply offering an option. I'll even
> erase the requirements on that initial offer. And I'd offer the same
> to Jason, but he said he's happy with his current DZ-inspired course
> of action.
I'm happy for now, because it is meeting my goals and is easy, but I
like to mix things up. I also like reading about this sort of stuff
for fun. Even if I don't use the program I will almost certainly
learn something.
Besides, the book apparently costs less than $12. Save your postage,
I'll pick up a copy at Wal-Mart.
What's more, I'd be happy to give you my address, if you were
interested. Heck, if you are ever in Utah, look me up. You just have
to promise not to show your nipple rings to my kids :).
Jason
Curt James
> "Curt James" writes:
[...]
> > <snip> I'd offer the same to Jason, but he said he's happy with
> > his current DZ-inspired course of action.
>
> I'm happy for now, because it is meeting my goals and is easy, but
> I like to mix things up. I also like reading about this sort of stuff
> for fun.
Likewise.
> Even if I don't use the program I will almost certainly learn something.
>
> Besides, the book apparently costs less than $12. Save your postage,
> I'll pick up a copy at Wal-Mart.
Again, I like the writing style. Entertaining and informative.
> What's more, I'd be happy to give you my address, if you were
> interested. Heck, if you are ever in Utah, look me up.
Noted. :o)
> You just have to promise not to show your nipple rings to my kids :).
It's a promise.
Actually, I taught summer school and as one of the activities we took
the students to the pool. I wore a pair of American Eagle swim trunks -
to the knee, none of the European (or '70s U.S.) Speedo action here -
so the tattoo around my calf was exposed, but I wore a tight tank top
covered by a sleeveless t-shirt over my torso. So far as the students
are concerned, I don't HAVE nipples much less piercings.
I love the district where I work, however. Piercing and tattoo-friendly
to be sure. Security guards with neck and hand tattoos, lunch ladies
with pierced eyebrows and nose studs, teachers with visible tattoos on
ankles, wrists, etc.
In fact, I was interviewed and hired with 2 gauge holes in each
earlobe. The typical earring is about 14 or 16 gauge. A smaller number
equals a bigger hole, so you can visualize (not that you'd especially
want to) the size of the hole in my ear as the interview proceeded.
Otoh, "art people" are almost expected to be somewhat eccentric.
Despite the extra holes in my ears, I'm actually what I'd call more
conservative than many of my fellow teachers. Plus, as I don't smoke or
drink, some might consider me a regular stick in the mud.
The "no" drinking policy is a new twist of the last few months with one
and a half Budweisers during the recent camping trip and one shot
purchased for me on my birthday during that time. Cohen mentioned money
saved wrt not buying food? HA! Cut the alcohol from your budget and
there's plenty to spend on additional reading material. :o)
OT fitness and weights, last night I purchased _The New Drawing on the
Right Side of the Brain Workbook_ by Betty Edwards in anticipation of
the new school year. Lots of interesting exercises, plus the text is
presented in a lesson plan format. Bonus! I'm still enjoying my summer
vacation right now, though.
> Jason
--
Curt
Neil Gendzwill
>
> Most authors with more than one book to their credit tend to have one
> book which is considered their magnum opus. Either that, or they have
> a book that is considered the best place to start for newbies.
I haven't read any of Lyle's stuff but IIRC each of the books is
targetted to a different audience. The one under discussion is about a
crash diet but he's done a couple of others, each on different style
diets and for different audiences. So you might get the wrong one for
you even if it's considered his magnum opus.
I suggest you visit his website and check out the descriptions yourself.
You can even ask him questions directly on the forum, if it's still up
(haven't been there in a while). The site is something like
bodyrecomposition.com.
Neil
Jason Earl
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> DZ writes:
>>> They also misspelled "activity" as "ativity" in the title. But I'm
>>> going to forgive it. Last year we wrote a paper that had a word
>>> "large" in the title, which sounded impressive and stuff. But then I
>>> realized that at the time the paper was accepted, it was a LaTeX
>>> formatting command, "\Large", that I put there to indicate the start
>>> of a large size font. That was merged as a word into the originally
>>> somewhat humbler title by mistake during the typesetting. I have to
>>> say it worked out better this way.
>>
>> I lurk on comp.text.tex and so a LaTeX joke on mfw goes over well.
>
> It's a true story. Here is another one. Once, when I was a student,
> I wanted to find a female biological symbol to use in a LaTeX
> document, so without any second thoughts I typed [female latex] into
> a search engine sitting in a computer lab full of students. That
> story was retold by an official during my graduation ceremony.
I'll have to take your word for it that such a search wasn't
particularly helpful.
Jason
Jason Earl
> Jason Earl wrote:
>> "Curt James" writes:
> [...]
>
>> > <snip> I'd offer the same to Jason, but he said he's happy with
>> > his current DZ-inspired course of action.
>>
>> I'm happy for now, because it is meeting my goals and is easy, but
>> I like to mix things up. I also like reading about this sort of
>> stuff for fun.
>
> Likewise.
>
>> Even if I don't use the program I will almost certainly learn
>> something.
>>
>> Besides, the book apparently costs less than $12. Save your
>> postage, I'll pick up a copy at Wal-Mart.
>
> Again, I like the writing style. Entertaining and informative.
>
>> What's more, I'd be happy to give you my address, if you were
>> interested. Heck, if you are ever in Utah, look me up.
>
> Noted. :o)
>
>> You just have to promise not to show your nipple rings to my kids
>> :).
>
> It's a promise.
It's nothing personal, mind you. I'd just as soon not have to explain
to Zac why he can't get *his* nipples pierced :).
> Actually, I taught summer school and as one of the activities we
> took the students to the pool. I wore a pair of American Eagle swim
> trunks - to the knee, none of the European (or '70s U.S.) Speedo
> action here - so the tattoo around my calf was exposed, but I wore a
> tight tank top covered by a sleeveless t-shirt over my torso. So far
> as the students are concerned, I don't HAVE nipples much less
> piercings.
Even I go barer than that when I go swimming :).
> I love the district where I work, however. Piercing and
> tattoo-friendly to be sure. Security guards with neck and hand
> tattoos, lunch ladies with pierced eyebrows and nose studs, teachers
> with visible tattoos on ankles, wrists, etc.
>
> In fact, I was interviewed and hired with 2 gauge holes in each
> earlobe. The typical earring is about 14 or 16 gauge. A smaller
> number equals a bigger hole, so you can visualize (not that you'd
> especially want to) the size of the hole in my ear as the interview
> proceeded.
I don't understand why people do that sort of thing to themselves, but
I know plenty of people that seem to really enjoy it. It takes all
kinds to make the world go 'round, I suppose.
> Otoh, "art people" are almost expected to be somewhat eccentric.
> Despite the extra holes in my ears, I'm actually what I'd call more
> conservative than many of my fellow teachers. Plus, as I don't smoke
> or drink, some might consider me a regular stick in the mud.
I would say that you fit well within my definition of "conservative
enough," as I'm as big a stick in the mud as you are likely to meet.
The real problem with body art is that some of the people that
practice it also cultivate some truly anti-social behavior. I don't
have a problem with the body art if it isn't accompanied by the
anti-social behavior.
> The "no" drinking policy is a new twist of the last few months with
> one and a half Budweisers during the recent camping trip and one
> shot purchased for me on my birthday during that time. Cohen
> mentioned money saved wrt not buying food? HA! Cut the alcohol from
> your budget and there's plenty to spend on additional reading
> material. :o)
Another advantage of being LDS :).
> OT fitness and weights, last night I purchased _The New Drawing on
> the Right Side of the Brain Workbook_ by Betty Edwards in
> anticipation of the new school year. Lots of interesting exercises,
> plus the text is presented in a lesson plan format. Bonus! I'm still
> enjoying my summer vacation right now, though.
I am perhaps the worst artist in the history of the world. I went to
an "animation" class at DisneyLand and my drawing was pretty much the
only one that didn't look like Mickey Mouse.
Jason
Steve Freides
news:MuednfzGXrS0DnfZ...@comcast.com...
>
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:oawGg.20$bM...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote
>>> Ok, I know this ain't alt.support.diet. But I guess I'm here
>>> because I think I'll get more realistic advice and a good ass
>>> kicking... Here's the thing. I'd like to lose 10 lbs. I'm female,
>>> 5'3" and weigh 138. I had a baby in December, and I was sure by now
>>> I'd be back to prepregnancy weight. I am doing a full body weight
>>> routine 3 times a week, and have been for 3 months. I do cardio 4-5
>>> times a week - 45+ minutes on the elliptical. In the past month or
>>> so, I've been doing one long bike ride (20-40 miles) about once
>>> every week in addition. My stamina is up, my energy is up, I feel
>>> better, yadda yadda. But the damned scale hasn't moved hardly at
>>> guess not... or I'd be losing weight. I lost weight before at that
>>> level. I'd love to think I was losing fat and gaining muscle, but
>>> while my clothes are fitting looser, I haven't gone down a whole
>>> pants size.
>>>
>>> I know I'm doing something wrong. I'm the kind of impatient person
>>> that gets frustrated and discouraged if I don't see SOME progress.
>>> It doesn't help that I just got back from vacation and I have zero
>>> motivation. I'm kind of tempted to try something like a fast, just
>>> for a week, to jump start things again, I don't believe in fad diets
>>> or quick fixes, but I need to get a handle on things again. What
>>> kind of results could I hope to see on something like a protein
>>> sparing fast?
>>
>> Large amounts of fat lost with minimal muscle loss.
>>
>> Ironically, they call it a protein sparing modified fast. Go figure
>> :)
>>
>> Buy the book:
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967145643/sr=1-2/qid=1156222652/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0657946-6776816?ie=UTF8&s=books
>>
>> David
>
>
> damned good... If it doesn't work any better than the thigh master,
> I'll be ticked.
It's not expensive; only Pavel's books are expensive. :)
David, I know it's worked well for you but I'd appreciate hearing about
your post-diet weight, how often you go on this diet, and just generally
how you've found it's worked for you over the long haul. Thanks.
ATP*
"Jason Earl" <je...@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87lkpgo...@workhorse.earlhome...
> JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> writes:
>
>> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one
>>>to get?
>>
>> Cohen is a Lyle flankie. He'll tell you to buy 'em all.
>
> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>
similar, a self styled fitness expert
ATP*
>
> I have now done a PSMF a half a dozen times. For me, it is an ideal diet.
> I can maintain a lot of willpower for a short period of time, so I can do
> an extreme diet for a few weeks to a few months, and do it as often as
> necessary. I HATE eating a little under maintenence for a long period of
> time, so, standard dieting sucks!
>
> The first time, I went from the 260s and BF in the 30s, to the 190s and BF
> in the low teens. Took a few months.
>
Have you tried the Ultimate Diet once you're down to a reasonable BF level,
or just some sort of low calorie/structured refeed routine?
JMW
>>> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one
>>>>to get?
>>>
>>> Cohen is a Lyle flankie. He'll tell you to buy 'em all.
>>
>> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
>> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>>
>derived from "schuh flankie", a term used by someone named Avi paz or
>similar, a self styled fitness expert
Stop giving away our secret code words, dammit!
David Cohen
"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> Why did he have to write such an expensive book? It had better be damned
>> good... If it doesn't work any better than the thigh master, I'll be
>> ticked.
>
> It's not expensive; only Pavel's books are expensive. :)
True, that.
> David, I know it's worked well for you but I'd appreciate hearing about
> your post-diet weight, how often you go on this diet, and just generally
> how you've found it's worked for you over the long haul. Thanks.
Weight slowly goes up, I reach some psychological point, go back on it, lose
the weight, go off diet,
weight slowly goes up, I reach some psychological point, go back on it, lose
the weight, go off diet,
weight slowly goes up, I reach some psychological point, go back on it, lose
the weight, go off diet,
weight slowly goes up, I reach some psychological point, go back on it, lose
the weight, go off diet, etcetera.
The diet itself is not designed for "long haul". But my periodic use of it
is working out that way.
David
David Cohen
"ATP*" <waxwin...@azurepane.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>
>> I have now done a PSMF a half a dozen times. For me, it is an ideal diet.
>> I can maintain a lot of willpower for a short period of time, so I can do
>> an extreme diet for a few weeks to a few months, and do it as often as
>> necessary. I HATE eating a little under maintenence for a long period of
>> time, so, standard dieting sucks!
>>
>> The first time, I went from the 260s and BF in the 30s, to the 190s and
>> BF in the low teens. Took a few months.
>>
> Have you tried the Ultimate Diet once you're down to a reasonable BF
> level, or just some sort of low calorie/structured refeed routine?
Nope. As I posted to Steve F., I just do the diet whenever I need to. UD is
too structured for me. Each time I go off the diet, I "try" to eat
healthfully. I always succeed, for varying lengths of time, which is why the
weight regain varies, and the frequency of diets vary.
There is a psychological benefit to this diet, for me. I find it so easy to
do, and it works so well, that I have the psychological comfort in knowing I
can lose the weight whenever I choose. Makes life a bit less stressful.
David
Steve Freides
OK. You mentioned a weight of 260 and 30% bf starting, and 190 and
teens bf after the diet. What's the "some psychological point" look
like in terms of weight and bf percentage, and what length of time is
typical for the "cycle?"
Just curious. My own bodyweight and bf percentage just stay the same or
change very slowly (so far, for the better) no matter what I eat, it
seems. When my weight goes up or down, it's typically a matter of
salt/carbs and not much else.
JMW
>JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> writes:
>> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>I noticed that Lyle has written quite a few books. Is this the one
>>>to get?
>>
>> Cohen is a Lyle flankie. He'll tell you to buy 'em all.
>
>Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
>this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>
>reading material. Once I have identified an author whose work I am
>interested in sampling I ask someone that is a fan of the author for a
>good starting point.
>
>Most authors with more than one book to their credit tend to have one
>book which is considered their magnum opus. Either that, or they have
>a book that is considered the best place to start for newbies.
>take the time to learn from someone else's experience. Especially if
>the someone in question can be trusted.
Lyle's stuff is always well-documented with scientific research. I'll
grant him that.
However, that said, I'm not sure how long Lyle should hold the
monopoly on publishing a layman's version of a protein-sparing
modified fast. Back in the early days of MFW, when Lyle first took an
interest in cyclical ketogenic dieting and published a daily journal
of his experiences, the hot titles were Dan Duchaine's "Body Opus" and
Mauro DiPasquale's "Anabolic Diet." Eventually, all the details of
cyclical ketogenic dieting became "open source" in MFW and on personal
web sites. That was my source of information; I never bought any of
the books.
Eventually, I may change the nutrition page on my web site to a free
nuts-and-bolts explanation of a protein-sparing modified fast. Of
course, it will be my own version, and nobody will accuse me
plagiarizing Lyle's book because, for reasons known to the old
regulars of MFW, I don't buy Lyle's books. Still, in order for it to
be credible, I'll need to document it with copious footnotes from
medical and scientific literature. I already have nearly all of the
resource material, but right now, I have neither the time nor the
inclination to put it all together, so Lyle's royalties are safe for a
while.
I do have a pretty decent PSMF breakfast cereal if anyone wants it.
David Cohen
"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
I'm happy in the 220s and around high teens%BF. When I get far enough above
that so clothes don't fit so good, diet time.
> Just curious. My own bodyweight and bf percentage just stay the same or
> change very slowly (so far, for the better) no matter what I eat, it
> seems. When my weight goes up or down, it's typically a matter of
> salt/carbs and not much else.
I could have been an Olympic Eater. I missed my calling.
David
ATP*
bring you back to the same place or is there some improvement? This is the
first time I've gone on a real diet. Although I drifted up a few pounds
particularly when the kids were really young, it wasn't while I was
seriously training, so I've never really eaten enough extra calories for
gaining mass in a systematic fashion. I was eating the right stuff at the
prescribed times but holding back on the amounts. After I get lean enough I
plan on a moderate mass-building phase, coinciding with the winter months.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <ompo...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > In article <87lkpgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
> > Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
> >> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
> >
> > IIRC, "Flankie" is an old inside list joke based on a mis-spelling
> > by a list member _ages_ ago.
> >
> > If you have the patience and time, you can probably google it. I
> > don't. My bedtime is in 2 minutes...
>
> That makes sense. Once could have been a misspelling, but I was
> pretty sure I had seen it several times.
>
> Jason
Yes, you have... It took off from the original mis-spelling and has been
spelled that way ever since. That's the joke. ;-) And I believe it's
specific for Lyle.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote:
> >> Thanks. I'm not looking to drop all the weight via a fast. Just a
> >> couple
> >> lbs. I just need a jumpstart...
> >
> > Take a laxative...... ;-)
>
> Um, that would be SOME TURD.
<lol>
>
> >
> > Just kidding!
> >
> > Seriously, at your point, if you can lose two lbs. of REAL weight in 2
> > weeks, that'd probably be about right?
> >
> > Do others concur?
> >
> > Do have your thyroid checked just for grins.
>
> Thinkin' about it. Hubby just found out he has subclinical hypo. Not that
> it'd rub off or anything. If this fast doesn't do it, I'll be getting some
> labs done.
Hope he does better!
Cheers and best of luck.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Indeed...
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> I do have a pretty decent PSMF breakfast cereal if anyone wants it.
<raises hand> Please? ;-)
I can be reached at this e-mail address now, or you know the other
one....
David Cohen
"ATP*" <waxwin...@azurepane.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> "ATP*" <waxwin...@azurepane.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>>
>>>> I have now done a PSMF a half a dozen times. For me, it is an ideal
>>>> diet. I can maintain a lot of willpower for a short period of time, so
>>>> I can do an extreme diet for a few weeks to a few months, and do it as
>>>> often as necessary. I HATE eating a little under maintenence for a long
>>>> period of time, so, standard dieting sucks!
>>>>
>>>> The first time, I went from the 260s and BF in the 30s, to the 190s and
>>>> BF in the low teens. Took a few months.
>>>>
>>> Have you tried the Ultimate Diet once you're down to a reasonable BF
>>> level, or just some sort of low calorie/structured refeed routine?
>>
>> Nope. As I posted to Steve F., I just do the diet whenever I need to. UD
>> is too structured for me. Each time I go off the diet, I "try" to eat
>> healthfully. I always succeed, for varying lengths of time, which is why
>> the weight regain varies, and the frequency of diets vary.
>>
>> There is a psychological benefit to this diet, for me. I find it so easy
>> to do, and it works so well, that I have the psychological comfort in
>> knowing I can lose the weight whenever I choose. Makes life a bit less
>> stressful.
> Do you intentionally eat to gain mass while off the diet? Does each cycle
> bring you back to the same place or is there some improvement?
Varies. Like everything else. Depends on what's happening in life at the
time.
You can tailor it to work however you choose. I just find it easier to
"extreme" diet for short periods of time, rather than moderate diet for long
periods of time. Others may have different experiences, and results.
David
JMW
>In article <878xlgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet <ompo...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > In article <87lkpgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
>> > Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
>> >> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>> >
>> > IIRC, "Flankie" is an old inside list joke based on a mis-spelling
>> > by a list member _ages_ ago.
>> >
>> > If you have the patience and time, you can probably google it. I
>> > don't. My bedtime is in 2 minutes...
>>
>> That makes sense. Once could have been a misspelling, but I was
>> pretty sure I had seen it several times.
>>
>> Jason
>
>Yes, you have... It took off from the original mis-spelling and has been
>spelled that way ever since. That's the joke. ;-) And I believe it's
>specific for Lyle.
No. Avi first used it in an accusation leveled against Bill Roberts,
seven years and five days ago.
JMW
>In article <hi7ne21mc5ppidqs3...@4ax.com>,
> JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> I do have a pretty decent PSMF breakfast cereal if anyone wants it.
>
><raises hand> Please? ;-)
>I can be reached at this e-mail address now, or you know the other
>one....
I'm not going to make a fortune by mass-producing it, so I'm not going
to keep it secret:
Jason Earl
Proving once again that with a cheerful disposition, and the right
questions there is no reason to learn how to use Google.
Thanks for the information.
Jason
Jason Earl
That actually sounds pretty good. I like hot cereal. You need to
upgrade your version of openoffice.org though.
Jason
JMW
Gooserider
>
> "oregonchick" <not_...@comcat.net> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote >>
> it for sale. You are free to buy, or not buy, the book.
>
> What are you, a freakin' Commie?
>
>> It had better be damned good... If it doesn't work any better than the
>> thigh master, I'll be ticked.
>
> well for others.
>
> It's not like you're risking your retirement account or a house
> repossession. Think of all the money you'll save on the food you won't be
> buying.
>
> David
David---
What kind of results did you get, and in what time frame?
Jason Earl
I just noticed that the version number that created your PDF was an
older version (I am always curious to see what people use to create
PDFs). I think that there have been some minor security issues with
OO.org, but the likelihood of encountering OO.org based malware is so
low as to be negligible.
There's little reason to upgrade if you are happy with what you have.
Jason
JMW
Exactly. I use it create PDFs because I'm not going to shell out an
unreasonable sum for Adobe Acrobat. As to other stuff, I have the
Microsoft and Lotus office suites.
David Cohen
> David---
> What kind of results did you get, and in what time frame?
Below are a few excerpts from posts I made to Lyle's forum last year, which
I seem to recall I also posted here. They should answer your question.
Thanks, Lyle
One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at about
20% BF. (Don't fret the math. Variations in water/glycogen and my rather
casual caliper technique. But they're close enough.) Probably continue until
the 200's and about 10% BF. I have no interest in trying to maintain single
digit body fat.
Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have to
struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and fiber
supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
Only exercise has been a little weight lifting and mostly cardio...walking
the dog on work days, and mountain hiking with the dog on weekends. Which is
more than you might think, since I have four day weekends every week.
Only used one "cheat day" when my daughter and I drove up to the Best
Friends Animal Sanctuary in Southern Utah. Haven't felt the need for more ,
yet.
Part 2 Thanks Lyle!!
Prior to the diet, my cholesterol and triglyceride numbers were so fucking
bad, I get depressed looking them up, so I won't. My MD (since fired for
this among other reasons) wanted to put me on statins, but I insisted on
diet and exercise first. He claimed the conventional "wisdom" that doing so
would only make a 10% difference. But, take my word for it: when I say "too
fucking high" I am SO not kidding.
The results on various health markers and predictors from one month on the
LMMPSMF:
Total cholesterol went from "way too fucking high" to 140. Excellent.
Actually, a bit TOO low, but it'll go up after I start eating some carbs and
fat.
Triglycerides went from "way too fucking high" to 76. Perfect.
HDL (good cholesterol) went from "way too fucking low" to 42. Very good.
LDL (bad cholesterol) went from "way too fucking high" to 83. Very good.
Blood pressure went from 140s/90s (bad) to 110s/60s (excellent).
Resting heart rate went from 80s-90s (bad) to 60s-70s (very good).
As far as the myth that high protein intakes adversely affect kidney and/or
liver function of otherwise healthy kidneys and livers, my liver and kidney
function numbers were all normal.
Oh, there were ketones in my urine :)
Part 3 Thanks Lyle!! .
To recap, Part 1 recounted my one month drop from 250s/30% body fat to the
220s/20% BF. Part 2 described the extraordinary improvement in vital signs
and blood lipid values.
It's now been two months. I'm down to about 210 pounds and 17% body fat. The
rate of weight loss has slowed, as expected, since my maintenance caloric
requirement is much less at over 40 pounds lighter. To keep the same weight
loss rate, I'd have to eat less or exercise more. Eating less would affect
the protein sparing aspect of the Lyle McDonald Modified Protein Sparing
Modified Fast (LMMPSMF). I don't have the time or desire to increase
exercise right now.
Part 4 Thanks Lyle!!
As previously mentioned, my main mode of exercise on the Lyle McDonald
Modified Protein Sparing Modified Fast is mountain hiking with the dog.
There's this one hike that I've never bothered to try: hot, dry desert
terrain; nearly 2000 feet elevation gain; steep, loose, difficult hiking.
I made it to the top today in two hours, with no particular difficulty. But
that's not the amazing part. The hiking shoes I wear are known as trail
runners: very light shoes with a grippy lug sole and good longitudinal
support but minimal lateral support, designed to, literally, run on trails.
But I never used them that way, because the jarring to my knees and ankles
was too severe. Well, today, I ran in the shoes. I was bouncing around up
there like Tigger on meth. And no knee or ankle problems, because you have
enabled me to lose nearly 50 pounds of fat while maintaining my fairly
substantial leg muscle mass.
So, next time I see you, I'm gonna' give you a big kiss. In that manly
Palestinian way. Don't bother protesting: I'm bigger than you, and I'm
armed. So just accept the inevitable.
Curt James
[...]
> I was bouncing around up there like Tigger on meth.
I've mentioned my enjoyment of your humor in general and previously,
but Tigger on meth deserves an individual mention and additional kudos.
Where'd I put that ribbon?
"LMAO! Awarded to David Cohen for Best Humor for August 2006"
Wear it with pride.
...
And, I just got the deadlift comment. Your jokes are time release or
I'm getting sloooower in my old age.
> And no knee or ankle problems, because you have enabled
> me to lose nearly 50 pounds of fat while maintaining my fairly
> substantial leg muscle mass.
An excellent read and wonderful endorsement of PSMF.
> So, next time I see you, I'm gonna' give you a big kiss. In that manly
> Palestinian way. Don't bother protesting: I'm bigger than you, and I'm
> armed. So just accept the inevitable.
heh
Sorry, that was my only ribbon for the month.
--
Curt
JMW
Reads like a Curt James post.
Curt James
> "David Cohen" wrote:
[...]
> >So, next time I see you, I'm gonna' give you a big kiss. In that manly
> >Palestinian way. Don't bother protesting: I'm bigger than you, and I'm
> >armed. So just accept the inevitable.
>
> Reads like a Curt James post.
I'll accept that as a compliment, John Williams.
I enjoy Cohen's writing style a lot. Still, I'm watching your replies
with a suspicious eye. Or have *you* accepted the inevitable? ;o)
If you've been watching your diet then I should be able to say, "I'm
bigger than you, and I'm armed." Armed? Yes. I have a bag full of
sporks and, trust me... I KNOW how to use them!
--
Curt
Dally
> Yes, you have... It took off from the original mis-spelling and has been
> spelled that way ever since. That's the joke. ;-) And I believe it's
> specific for Lyle.
I thought it was specific to Mistress Krista.
Dally, a flankie
JMW
Pffft. Newbies.
In fact, if you check out the thread where the term first appeared,
you'll see she was still posting as "Krista Scott-Dixon."
David Cohen
"JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
Curt kisses half Palestinian speed skaters? He's such a slut!
Other than my blatant ass kissing, was it like a Curt James post in some
other way?
David
Larry Hodges
news:tdine2d0vtg6cqrsl...@4ax.com...
Office 2007 will create PDFs...when it comes out. I have it in beta on one
of my boxes.
And, the best PDF document creator is DeskPDF. About $30 and works great...
http://www.docudesk.com/
I've used it for about a year. You can DL the trial for free. And it works
great on 64-bit windows too.
While we're at it, one of the best anti virus apps out there is Avast.
And...it's free. No trail. It's free. And it also works on x64.
-Larry
Charles
McDonald is no more or less than an opportunist who re-vamped an old
idea and called it his own. If he wasn't such an abrasive arsehole I
would be the first to congratulate him on his business acumen.
>
>Eventually, I may change the nutrition page on my web site to a free
>nuts-and-bolts explanation of a protein-sparing modified fast. Of
>course, it will be my own version, and nobody will accuse me
>plagiarizing Lyle's book because, for reasons known to the old
>regulars of MFW, I don't buy Lyle's books.
Your personal differences with McDonald notwithstanding, your critical
'hostilities' concerning his cunning on-line entrepreneurial
activities are not without merit.
>Still, in order for it to
>be credible, I'll need to document it with copious footnotes from
>medical and scientific literature. I already have nearly all of the
>resource material, but right now, I have neither the time nor the
>inclination to put it all together, so Lyle's royalties are safe for a
>while.
There is so much information about protein sparing diets available via
Google, that it requires only the inclination (for whatever reason) to
produce an edition as good or better than McD's efforts.
However, John, don't forget your attributions, we don't want more MFW
"plagiarism scandals" now - do we!! ;o)
>
>I do have a pretty decent PSMF breakfast cereal if anyone wants it.
This preoccupation with excessive amounts of protein goes against good
dietary advice, even for those wanting to produce dramatic weight
loss.
Of course the 'body beautifuls' are looking for different results to
the rest of us, so they employ 'all sorts' of esoteric 'methods' to
achieve their aims! ;o)
I have read and inwardly digested (pun intended) Cohen's fawning
appraisal of McD's contribution to his (Cohen's) regime of yo-yo
dieting, and consider that much the same can be achieved with a much
more balanced low calories intake, with greater nutritional value and
more pleasurable eating.
I too have been yo-yo dieting for more years than I care to remember,
and regularly achieve much the same results Cohen has from his protein
sparing method. Horses for courses of course, and it is essentially
what works for the individual.
I don't recommend yo-yo dieting to anyone, but for some of us who want
to enjoy the good things in life, specifically those relating to
hedonistic eating and drinking, then there may be no better option.
Of course a proper and regular programme of structured exercise,
including the important yet dreaded cardio-vascular content, is also a
major part of such a lifestyle.
No advice would be complete without the usual rider to always consult
with your medical adviser before undertaking any exercise or dieting
programme - we don't want anyone dying on us do we?
Happy munching and crunching folks! ;o)
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
Sorry... My bad memory. ;-)
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
Only works with Acrobat on a mac... but that's ok. ;-)
Thank you. Looks interesting!
Have you discovered "Eden Foods" Black soybeans yet?
I've got some recipes that have turned out well with them.
They are almost pure protein and what carbs there are are mostly fiber.
The nutritional breakdown on the cans almost reads like science fiction.
And they are delicious. ;-d
Only 4.5 grams net carbs per can, but the fat is a bit high IMHO:
http://www.netrition.com/eden_black_soy_beans_page.html
One nice "Calorie free" food that is pretty much pure fiber is
Shirataki noodles:
http://www.konjacfoods.com/product/noodles.htm
For all practical purposes, these are a "non-food".
I know it's TMI but I've found that they pass thru undigested.
They do, however, make an excellent substitute for pasta in nearly any
pasta dish and make a nice base for stir fry whey marinated in a bit of
soy sauce. They have NO flavor on their own but will soak up whatever
they are soaked in. Texture is a bit rubbery but very do-able if you
like bean thread noodles (which are NOT low carb!)
I've even used Shirataki for italian dishes. It works.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> So, next time I see you, I'm gonna' give you a big kiss. In that manly
> Palestinian way. Don't bother protesting: I'm bigger than you, and I'm
> armed. So just accept the inevitable.
Nice report... ;-)
You've inspired me to get off my fat ass, and give it another shot.
I know it works, my willpower has simply sucked lately.
Jewely (the border collie) will thank you......
OmManiPadmeOmelet
wrote:
<shrugs> It's been awhile... and my memory is less than perfect. ;-)
JMW had it right methinks.
I'm still not on the Lyle forum at the moment but now that I have the
g-mail address, how do I join it?
JMW
A bit more rambling than your usual fare, though certainly not to the
extent of Lyle's Body Opus Diaries. There are probably only a few of
us who remember those postings.
JMW
>In article <rkfne29ke7p1nrb6l...@4ax.com>,
> JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <878xlgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
>> > Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet <ompo...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <87lkpgo...@workhorse.earlhome>,
>> >> > Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Isn't it "flunkie?" I'm just curious as it seems that I have seen
>> >> >> this particular spelling a couple of times now.
>> >> >
>> >> > IIRC, "Flankie" is an old inside list joke based on a mis-spelling
>> >> > by a list member _ages_ ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have the patience and time, you can probably google it. I
>> >> > don't. My bedtime is in 2 minutes...
>> >>
>> >> That makes sense. Once could have been a misspelling, but I was
>> >> pretty sure I had seen it several times.
>> >>
>> >> Jason
>> >
>> >Yes, you have... It took off from the original mis-spelling and has been
>> >spelled that way ever since. That's the joke. ;-) And I believe it's
>> >specific for Lyle.
>>
>> No. Avi first used it in an accusation leveled against Bill Roberts,
>> seven years and five days ago.
>
>Sorry... My bad memory. ;-)
I don't think you were around then ... even in an earlier incarnation.
Larry Hodges
news:1156351316.5...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>
>> Office 2007 will create PDFs...when it comes out. I have it in beta on
>> one
>> of my boxes.
>>
>> And, the best PDF document creator is DeskPDF. About $30 and works
>> great...
>> http://www.docudesk.com/
>>
>> I've used it for about a year. You can DL the trial for free. And it
>> works
>> great on 64-bit windows too.
>>
>> While we're at it, one of the best anti virus apps out there is Avast.
>> And...it's free. No trail. It's free. And it also works on x64.
>>
>> http://avast.com/
>>
>> -Larry
>
> know just how many sales i lost when i worked for a software retailer
> because adobe softs are just ridiculously overprices? a whole bunch!
>
> i don't know how i feel about antivirus software...anymore, it's mostly
> just scare tactics that the big ones like macafee and symantec use to
> get you to buy their software.
>
> i saw you post in the x64 group, and i meant to ask you what you think
> of it.
I've had it for about 10 months. I love it. But then all my hardware is
supported. There is a lot that isn't. And with Vista just around the
corner, there is no motivation for venders to write drivers for x64.
OTOH, it is more stable than XP x86. Basically, it's the 2003 Server code
base with an XP interface. 32-bit apps run about the same, but anything
written for 64-bit screams. Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 for instance has a
64-bit version. Games like HL2, FarCry and FEAR have native 64-bit
versions, and they are considerably faster. I do all my software
development and deployment on my x64 box. You can also run more memory.
If you have a 64-bit capable system, I would just wait for Vista. I have it
in Beta, and it will be really cool when it's finished. If you're
considering a new vid card, wait until the DirectX 10 cards are out. Should
be a few months.
Regarding AV, both Symantec and McAfee suck nut. I constantly run into
issues with them on my client's systems. Install McAfee, open Task Manager,
and watch the CPU hits from it. Symantec is a memory hog. Both are poorly
coded. And neither run on 64-bit platforms. Try Avast. Seriously.
Everybody in the x64 ng speaks very highly about it. Of course it runs on
x86 XP as well. Slim app, minimal overhead and does just what it's supposed
to.
-Larry
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >> >> That makes sense. Once could have been a misspelling, but I was
> >> >> pretty sure I had seen it several times.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jason
> >> >
> >> >Yes, you have... It took off from the original mis-spelling and has been
> >> >spelled that way ever since. That's the joke. ;-) And I believe it's
> >> >specific for Lyle.
> >>
> >> No. Avi first used it in an accusation leveled against Bill Roberts,
> >> seven years and five days ago.
> >
> >Sorry... My bad memory. ;-)
>
> I don't think you were around then ... even in an earlier incarnation.
Most likely...
I think I started posting there around, what, sometime in 2002 or later.
<shrugs>
Larry Hodges
news:1156351316.5...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>
>> one
>> of my boxes.
>>
>> And, the best PDF document creator is DeskPDF. About $30 and works
>> great...
>> http://www.docudesk.com/
>>
>> I've used it for about a year. You can DL the trial for free. And it
>> works
>> great on 64-bit windows too.
>>
>> While we're at it, one of the best anti virus apps out there is Avast.
>> And...it's free. No trail. It's free. And it also works on x64.
>>
>> http://avast.com/
>>
>> -Larry
>
> know just how many sales i lost when i worked for a software retailer
> because adobe softs are just ridiculously overprices? a whole bunch!
>
> i don't know how i feel about antivirus software...anymore, it's mostly
> just scare tactics that the big ones like macafee and symantec use to
> get you to buy their software.
>
> i saw you post in the x64 group, and i meant to ask you what you think
> of it.
Oh, and as to whether or not you need AV protection...all I can say is I
like guys who don't have it. I make a lot of money from them. The last
system I had to scrub of viruses and worms took thee hours. About 280
infected files. Cost him $315 for my three hours. He now runs Avast.
-Larry
Lee Michaels
"Larry Hodges" <2la...@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
news:XaydnTgckPDYBXHZ...@comcast.com...
Hello Larry,
I am just now seeing this. Thanks for the info. I run AVG for virus
protection and spam slueth for spam.
I am interested in your comments about vista. I run a lot of financial
applications that use huge, real time data feeds. This can cripple almost
any configuration. Particularly on multiple monitors. I have a big $800
quad card and it barely runs when the market volume goes above a certain
level. One of the big problem is that XP will only handle 2 gigs of memory
on board.
Combine that with a lot of computations, some applications slow to a crawl.
Even on some big iron. Now I know that you may not be an expert in multiple
monitors or financial software, but I thought I would ask you about vista.
Do you think that vista will be able to handle these kinds of applications
better than XP? The real limitations I am dealing with now are software.
Both XP and the applications software. Any increase in ability to handle
multiple monitors will be a big help too. Currently AMD CPU's can supoort
more mulitple monitors than Intel CPU's.
Any comments of any kind will be appreciated. Including speculation,
bullshit and scientific wild assed guesses. I am really looking forward to
some real 64 bit applications actually being supported by hardware and
operating systems available to mere mortals like myself. It will make my
life much easier.
Lee Michaels
David Cohen
Well, it was excerpts only, and from four different posts. It therefore
doesn't have my usual brilliant, though modest, composition style.
David