Deadlifting in running shoes
Dally
A gym trainer just discovered this horrifying safety flaw in me. (She
says I have to wear shoes in case a weight drops on my toes. (Look at a
barbell - how does this happen, exactly?) Anyway, this is the same gym
that currently doesn't have a power cage or squat rack so people squat
without a way to dump the bar from pins on the outside of a narrow cage.
It's also the same gym that won't get enough clips for the bars
because "people don't use them." Their concept of safe use of the gym
is a bit befuddling.
So when the trainer told me it is unsafe for me to not be wearing shoes
while I deadlift I accepted her advice the same way I accept all the
other trainer's advice, i.e., I smiled and said thank you and continued
doing what I was doing. (The same person also told me that the clips
weren't necessary because they just give a false sense of safety, at
which point I shook the bar vertically from both ends. Sort of
disproved her point.)
She left. It turned out she went to ask management if I was allowed to
take my shoes off in the weight room. And then she came back and pulled
rank.
I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
Advice?
Dally
John HUDSON
Wear the shoes and stop being stroppy!!
Rules are rules old dear and resenting authority is self-defeating!!
spodosaurus
If someone drops a weight on your foot, they're the ones that'll be sued
for not making you wear shoes. Happens all the time. Get some nice
boots, NOT running shoes. Just about anything is better than spongy
running shoes. The sponge rubber in running shoes will just make your
foundation unstable and lead to a greater potential for injury (plus
lower poundages).
A good hard carbon rubber sole is what to look for, with minimal heel:
no movement, solid base to push from. Not great to walk in if you have
ankle problems, though (hint hint), but these can be found fairly
cheaply at KMart and such. You can get better shoes/boots with more
forefoot flex that are easier on the ankles, but the cost goes up (then
again, you only get one set of ankles, and you sorta need them both to
walk right...how is your sprained one doing?).
I like standard sole 8 hole Docs for lifting. Some people love converse
shoes, I think the ones are Chuck Taylor All Stars or something of a
similar name. There are better shoes for this task, but the price tag
goes up. Ask Keith Hobman about specialised deadlifting/squatting boots.
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>
> Advice?
>
nothing to protect your toes if you are acrobatic enough to simultaneously
drop the bar and insert your foot under the bar. The downside is that they
mey require you to wear steel toed boots instead....
Keith Hobman
Ballet slippers. Just to be snorky, that is what I would do. They cost
about $10.
Another real cool thing is if you can find a pair of puppy dog or bunny
slippers and wear them to deadlift in. Or if you have a pair of water
shoes they work well too.
Dally
Ding ding ding! We've got a winner! I've got water shoes. Solid
rubber surface with no heels and a mesh covering that hides my
[apparently offensive clean white] socks. They're also light enough to
carry in my gear bag, and don't require me to spend more money on
sporting equipment.
Thanks, Keith.
I like the other ideas, too, but don't happen to own either ballet shoes
or hokey slippers.
Dally
Lee Michaels
"Dally" <da...@myself.com> wrote
How about getting a pair of shoes and planting one of them up said trainers
ass?
Larry Hodges
I use martial arts shoes. Very minimal rubber sole.
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Keith Hobman
Rules are made to be bent. Wearing running shoes with a heavy deadlift
isn't great since the heels are generally too spongy.
Keith Hobman
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
Well, the bunny slippers come to mind...
Seriously, what you wear depends a lot on technique. If you are squatting
narrow stance you may want some heel. In the deadlift you never want any
heel, but if you go sumo deadlift or wide stance squat you need a shoe
that won't roll over when you deliberately supinate your foot. Assuming,
of course, you don't turn the feet out a lot in which case it doesn't
matter much.
For conventional deadlifting - ballet slippers, wrestling boots, martial
art shoes and water shoes are very common. For sumo deadlifts Converse
All-stars or Chuck Taylors are considered good, but I don't like the
spongy feel. The good news is they won't roll over when you supinate your
foot.
A cheap shoe is to take a canvas runner with built up rubber sides, pull
the insole out of it and cut the waffles out. If I used a Chuck Taylor I
would do the same thing. They have a waffle sole - I would pull the insole
and use a pair of snips to take the waffle off. You then have an excellent
shoe for either sumo deadlifts or wide-stance squats.
Inzer makes a squatting shoe as does Crain. People who use them swear by
them. I think it might have more to do with "I spent $200 on these so of
course they work better since I'm no dummy." than an actual advantage to
the shoe.
Dally
I have to admit, that was my first idea.
Thought it was better to ask for more options before I implemented that
one, though.
Dally
Dally
> If someone drops a weight on your foot, they're the ones that'll be sued
> for not making you wear shoes. Happens all the time.
This boggles my mind. I'd have to look this up to believe it. Maybe
I'll research stupid lawsuits on snopes later. I can't fathom a
scenario in which I drop a weight on my toe and sue someone for not
adequately protecting me from myself.
And if someone "drops" a weight on my barefoot while I'm deadlifting it
will be an assault charge on the "dropper", rather than a lawsuit to the
gym. I don't spend time barefoot except when I'm actually doing the lift.
> A good hard carbon rubber sole is what to look for, with minimal heel:
> no movement, solid base to push from. Not great to walk in if you have
> ankle problems, though (hint hint), but these can be found fairly
> cheaply at KMart and such. You can get better shoes/boots with more
> forefoot flex that are easier on the ankles, but the cost goes up (then
> again, you only get one set of ankles, and you sorta need them both to
> walk right...how is your sprained one doing?).
Damn thing is holding me hostage and demanding concessions. I haven't
run in three weeks. I'm doing no-impact cardio - rowing machine,
elliptical trainer, ski machine and swimming. Every day is a
cross-training day these days! (I'm pretty crabby about it.)
> I like standard sole 8 hole Docs for lifting. Some people love converse
> shoes, I think the ones are Chuck Taylor All Stars or something of a
> similar name. There are better shoes for this task, but the price tag
> goes up. Ask Keith Hobman about specialised deadlifting/squatting boots.
I've got L.L. Bean boots - leather uppers and rubber bottoms - but I
think those have too much heel. Plus I look like I ought to be out
shooting ducks or something. Especially when I've got my Lab with me.
Dally
Dally
Excellent advice as well, thanks. I printed it out and it'll go in my
training folder for when I'm ready to actually make an effort at
outfitting myself.
Dally
Mick R.
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wherever it's worth it for amusement value.
> Dally
>
Dally
> Wear the shoes and stop being stroppy!!
>
> Rules are rules old dear and resenting authority is self-defeating!!
I calculate my odds of being injured as higher wearing inappropriate
footgear than by being barefoot. You understand that the rules are
theoretically there to prevent injury but more likely to cause injury in
this specific instance?
So when rules are wrong/ineffective/have unintended consequences, it is
the moral thing to fight against the rules rather than to acquiesce quietly.
Dally, "power to the people"
Larry Hodges
Great idea. And make sure the bitch sees them. Maybe attach some bells and
walk by her.
John HUDSON
wrote:
Unless your job happens to be enforcing them!!
>Wearing running shoes with a heavy deadlift
>isn't great since the heels are generally too spongy.
I didn't suggest she wear running shoes, I said she should stop being
stroppy and wear shoes. She's has had a number of good suggestions
which will satisfy the management, and may just assist her in her
deadlifting efforts.
Running shoes will not help Wendy, even when and if she ever runs
again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
John HUDSON
It doesn't surprise me that the idiot Michaels would suggest that, to
a young woman, probably on minimum wage, just for doing her job. The
fact that you did too, and yet you are a slave to the rules of PC, is
hypocrisy of the highest order!!
>
>Thought it was better to ask for more options before I implemented that
>one, though.
I should think you are more than old enough to make your own decisions
about such a trivial matter!!
John HUDSON
But not with the unfortunate who job it is to enforce the rules.
Try acting a little more sophisticated and have a word with the
manager/owner, or the Chairman of the Board, but leave the minions
alone - they don't have the authority to change the rules!!
>
>Dally, "power to the people"
Does that include the poor unfortunate creature that is the latest
victim of your bile?!!
spodosaurus
<snip>
> Well, the bunny slippers come to mind...
>
> Seriously, what you wear depends a lot on technique. If you are squatting
> narrow stance you may want some heel. In the deadlift you never want any
> heel, but if you go sumo deadlift or wide stance squat you need a shoe
> that won't roll over when you deliberately supinate your foot. Assuming,
> of course, you don't turn the feet out a lot in which case it doesn't
> matter much.
The boots I was remembering had their soles stitched to the upper
outside the width of the upper, so they had about 3/8 inch (total from
both inside and outside of the shoe) of extra base for stability: no
roll in those bastards. Tough as hell carbon rubber, too (cheap Kmart
boots, thick hard leather). The Doc Martens were similarly wide and
heavy, but much much much easier to walk in.
Dally
No bile. She told me the law, I said, "I understand your position."
Dally
Dally
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:47 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>How about getting a pair of shoes and planting one of them up said trainers
>>>ass?
>>Thought it was better to ask for more options before I implemented that
>>one, though.
>
>
> I should think you are more than old enough to make your own decisions
> about such a trivial matter!!
I'm old enough so I can hold off on expressing my first thought. I'm
not so old as to not HAVE a first thought.
Dally
Dally
> Running shoes will not help Wendy, even when and if she ever runs
> again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
> see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
Holy mackeral, will you get off that triathalon diatribe? It's a 5K
race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs again" drama, I
think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a career-ending injury.
Dally
John HUDSON
It's often the thought that counts, but not in your case!
For goodness sake woman act your age. Your children, in exactly the
same situation, would come to you for advice. What sort of mother are
you if you can't even sort out such a simple problem, without having
to come to a bunch of hairy-arsed jocks for advice?
You are just posting for the sake of posting, which if it is an
attempt to get these drongos off the election issue may be
understandable. However, I suspect you are just being pathetic!!
John HUDSON
That's not what you told us!!
John HUDSON
>John HUDSON wrote:
>
>> Running shoes will not help Wendy, even when and if she ever runs
>> again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
>> see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
>
>Holy mackeral, will you get off that triathalon diatribe?
It's mackerel, and no "diatribe" from me, it's 'cloud cuckoo land'
from you!!
>It's a 5K
>race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs again" drama, I
>think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a career-ending injury.
You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
Peter Allen
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> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>
> You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
> yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
Have you ever actually done a triathlon?
Yes, a long distance one is going to be sodding hard. But a short course is
not anything to worry about: if you can do the run without it causing
injury, then you can certainly do the bike and swim without injury. You may
not be fast (and I sure as hell won't be, my swimming is shite) but you
won't suddenly fall apart.
Peter (done a short course one as a play around a couple of years ago, not
claiming expertise)
Tony
wrote:
Spot on, John.
And, as if being forced to wear shoes is going to affect her
'performance'.
Dally
Go read my original post. The only thing I quoted myself as saying was,
"I smiled and said thank you." I didn't characterize anything that I
said after she came back and laid down the law that I had to wear shoes.
I was not nasty to her. I recognize the difference between and owner
and an employee. (But I should point out that she was going to some
trouble to make sure that I didn't go without shoes, whereas a more
reasonable human would have just let it go.) Nevertheless, I was nice.
Except in that I didn't say, "oh yes, I see the error of my ways and
I will obey you in the future." I just said, "I understand your
position." I hear her, I understand she has to say it, it's now said.
By that time I was done deadlifting and wearing shoes. I didn't have to
argue it any further with her.
Dally
Dally
> You are just posting for the sake of posting, which if it is an
> attempt to get these drongos off the election issue may be
> understandable. However, I suspect you are just being pathetic!!
Are you trying to hassle me for posting about deadlifting as opposed to
the election? Seriously?
Thankfully, the "hairy-arsed jocks" gave me some great advice and I'm
good to go now.
Dally
John HUDSON
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>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
>> yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
>
>Have you ever actually done a triathlon?
No I haven't, and have no wish to. I detest running (particularly road
running) other than on a rugby pitch. However, I have been involved in
the organisation of competitions to a quite high level, as part of my
job during my service in the Armed Forces. They are not for the faint
of heart.
>
>Yes, a long distance one is going to be sodding hard. But a short course is
>not anything to worry about: if you can do the run without it causing
>injury,
You need to have been following Wendy's attempts at running to
understand why I am being so critical. She is currently injured from
insisting on participating in some short road races, and is not
equipped to do the run element of the Triathlon, let alone the rest of
the disciplines, no matter how short the distances!!
>then you can certainly do the bike and swim without injury. You may
>not be fast (and I sure as hell won't be, my swimming is shite) but you
>won't suddenly fall apart.
I suspect this rather large un-athletic middle-aged mother of three,
would quite likely injure herself, as she has a lot more determination
than she has ability or common sense!!
>
>Peter (done a short course one as a play around a couple of years ago, not
>claiming expertise)
And did you enjoy it Peter? ;o)
Per Elmsäter
> I deadlift in stocking feet.
>
There are a couple of guys that do this in my gym too. They leave big wet
footprints wherever they go. I'm just waiting for somebody to pull rank on
them because they suck big and I'm sure they stink too.
Now of course I'm sure this wouldn't apply to you.
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I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead.
Dally
You act like training for a 800 meter swim, a 20K bike ride and a 5K run
are outside the bounds of reason for someone who works out five or six
times a week. I just don't get this. I spend 45 minutes a day working
out. That's a 800K swim, a 20K bike ride or a 5K jog. What's the
problem with having a training goal for these activities?
I think the most challenging part will be to put them all together both
stamina-wise and logistically - what to wear when you're soaking wet,
that sort of thing.
But it's not something I'm going to do every day, just once a year, with
friends, for fun, with no concern over my time.
Dally
Johnny Watusi
> John HUDSON wrote:
>
> > Wear the shoes and stop being stroppy!!
> >
> > Rules are rules old dear and resenting authority is self-defeating!!
>
> I calculate my odds of being injured as higher wearing inappropriate
> footgear than by being barefoot.
I calculate that the gym is privately owned, and that the owners are
therefore free create and enforce whatever rules they please, to include
requiring high heels while squatting. This right of theirs is kind of like
your right to require guests in your home to wear shoes. If you don't like
the house rules,
you have the freedom to extricate yourself from the situation; i.e., by
getting the fuck out.
> You understand that the rules are
> theoretically there to prevent injury but more likely to cause injury in
> this specific instance?
> So when rules are wrong/ineffective/have unintended consequences, it is
> the moral thing to fight against the rules rather than to acquiesce
quietly.
>
> Dally, "power to the people"
I think you should show up at the gym tomorrow with a gallon of gas, lots of
absorbent clothing, and a match. Here's the effect you're looking for:
http://www.hr-action.org/archive/990216tms1.html
Can you think of a better way to protest this persecution, to fight for the
rights of billions upon billions of squatters around the world who prefer to
lift in bare feet? I can't.
It's up to you, Dally: are you going to Tke One for the Team?
Or are you going to whine?
John HUDSON
You actually don't have to say anything to be guilty of dumb insolence
and to refuse to obey a lawful instruction. You undermined this
person's rightful authority by ignoring her instructions, and she was
quite right to exercise her authority over you.
You actually told us:
"So when the trainer told me it is unsafe for me to not be wearing
shoes while I deadlift I accepted her advice the same way I accept
all the other trainer's advice, i.e., I smiled and said thank you and
continued doing what I was doing."
Which is about as damning as it gets in this situation, where you are
attempting to be right when you were quite clearly in the wrong!!
spodosaurus
John, that's a piss easy race to run for anyone with a modicum of
fitness. Heck, I could probably do it with my crutches and snorkel. It's
a triathlon in name only. It's not really more than an hour and a halfs
for a very slowwwww person...like walking it :-)
Cheers,
Ari
Dally
> You need to have been following Wendy's attempts at running to
> understand why I am being so critical. She is currently injured from
> insisting on participating in some short road races, and is not
> equipped to do the run element of the Triathlon, let alone the rest of
> the disciplines, no matter how short the distances!!
I am currently injured from a sprained ankle. I did just fine in the
short road race. Your insistance that I can't ride a bike or swim a
short distance is just weird.
> I suspect this rather large un-athletic middle-aged mother of three,
> would quite likely injure herself, as she has a lot more determination
> than she has ability or common sense!!
Thank you for your touching concern. I'm curious about what you need to
do to become "athletic" in your sense. I've been engaged in a wide
variety of sports on a daily basis for quite a while now... and had
maintained a base level of physical fitness even when I was on my
unfortunate "bulking" cycle. What exactly does it take to stop being
"un-athletic" if going out and competing doesn't do it?
As for being "rather large", same question. What does it take to no
longer fit that designation? I've lost 75 pounds and am now at a "good"
body fat percentage. (A careful reader may discern a connection between
this fact and my previous assertion that I'm athletic.)
Dally
Dally
> John HUDSON wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> John HUDSON wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Running shoes will not help Wendy, even when and if she ever runs
>>>> again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
>>>> see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> Holy mackeral, will you get off that triathalon diatribe?
>>
>>
>>
>> It's mackerel, and no "diatribe" from me, it's 'cloud cuckoo land'
>> from you!!
>>
>>
>>> It's a 5K race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs
>>> again" drama, I think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a
>>> career-ending injury.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
>> yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
>>
>>
>
> John, that's a piss easy race to run for anyone with a modicum of
> fitness. Heck, I could probably do it with my crutches and snorkel. It's
> a triathlon in name only. It's not really more than an hour and a halfs
> for a very slowwwww person...like walking it :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari
Thanks! (I think. Hmmm, was I just defended or were my goals just
insulted?)
Dally
Dally
> Dally wrote:
>
>>I deadlift in stocking feet.
>>
>
>
> There are a couple of guys that do this in my gym too. They leave big wet
> footprints wherever they go. I'm just waiting for somebody to pull rank on
> them because they suck big and I'm sure they stink too.
> Now of course I'm sure this wouldn't apply to you.
LOL, I hadn't thought of that. I put on clean socks before starting my
workout and haven't noticed a particular foot odor, but perhaps that was
her problem.
I guess I'm lucky she didn't shoot spray cleaner at me.
Dally
Dally
> I think you should show up at the gym tomorrow with a gallon of gas, lots of
> absorbent clothing, and a match. Here's the effect you're looking for:
>
> http://www.hr-action.org/archive/990216tms1.html
>
> Can you think of a better way to protest this persecution, to fight for the
> rights of billions upon billions of squatters around the world who prefer to
> lift in bare feet? I can't.
>
> It's up to you, Dally: are you going to Take One for the Team?
>
> Or are you going to whine?
Uh, whine. Definitely. Yup, whine.
Dally
John HUDSON
>John HUDSON wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>
>>>It's a 5K
>>>race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs again" drama, I
>>>think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a career-ending injury.
>>
>>
>> You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
>> yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
>
>You act like training for a 800 meter swim, a 20K bike ride and a 5K run
>are outside the bounds of reason for someone who works out five or six
>times a week. I just don't get this. I spend 45 minutes a day working
>out.
The majority of which is involved with working with weights, usually
undernourished, given that you have been on a strict calorie
controlled diet for in excess of 2 years. How much impact CV work do
you do per week?
>That's a 800K swim, a 20K bike ride or a 5K jog. What's the
>problem with having a training goal for these activities?
Because it is not compatible with what else you are currently doing
with your life.
>
>I think the most challenging part will be to put them all together both
>stamina-wise and logistically - what to wear when you're soaking wet,
>that sort of thing.
Yes, and that's just the start of it, and it's not much fun unless you
are very fit, which is what most tri-athletes are *before* they
attempt to participate in competition.
>
>But it's not something I'm going to do every day, just once a year, with
>friends, for fun, with no concern over my time.
Which makes it even more stupid. Triathlon is a tough uncompromising
sport and not for the likes of you. If of course it's going to be a
girlie/mumsie skylark and part of the annual hay ride, what the fuck
are you telling us all about it for?
I used to excel in the mums and dads three-legged race at my
children's nursery school Sports Day, so fucking what!!
John HUDSON
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>John HUDSON wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John HUDSON wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Running shoes will not help Wendy, even when and if she ever runs
>>>>again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
>>>>see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
>>>
>>>Holy mackeral, will you get off that triathalon diatribe?
>>
>>
>> It's mackerel, and no "diatribe" from me, it's 'cloud cuckoo land'
>> from you!!
>>
>>
>>>It's a 5K
>>>race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs again" drama, I
>>>think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a career-ending injury.
>>
>>
>> You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
>> yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
>>
>>
>
>John, that's a piss easy race to run for anyone with a modicum of
>fitness. Heck, I could probably do it with my crutches and snorkel. It's
>a triathlon in name only. It's not really more than an hour and a halfs
>for a very slowwwww person...like walking it :-)
I agree Ari, but this is Wendy we're discussing!! ;o)
Per Elmsäter
I don't think it's as much a matter of how clean your socks are when you
start out your workout. As you get warm your feet will get moist and your
socks will start leaving footprints and microbic pieces of textiles just
like the shit you see in the showers when they haven't been cleaned for a
while.
Peter Allen
Hmm.
Thrash-around swim, finishing a whole lot slower than anyone even slightly
decent.
Good bike ride, caught quite a few people.
OK run (this being before I started having achilles issues with running).
Finish position: crap.
It was interesting, but I'm not suited for it, and I don't do the 'it's
taking part that counts' thing.
Peter
spodosaurus
I wonder if either of you realise that your flirting is quite obvious to
the rest of us.
John HUDSON
And hopelessly undernourished, with all the health problems that goes
with that, after such a strict dieting regimen for such an extended
period.
Keep posting the .jpegs!! I'll tell you as soon as you begin to look
anything like it!!
Quite frankly, you're never going to be an "athlete" all the while you
have a hole in your bum!!
Keith Hobman
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
Yeah. Get a room already, you two. Sheesh.
John HUDSON
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
Gosh Ari, I've gone scarlet!! ;o)
John HUDSON
<petero...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"John HUDSON" <j...@fitnwell.net> wrote in message
>news:4765p0ls8tra8juci...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:35:40 -0000, "Peter Allen"
>> <petero...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Peter (done a short course one as a play around a couple of years ago,
>not
>> >claiming expertise)
>>
>> And did you enjoy it Peter? ;o)
>
>Hmm.
>Thrash-around swim, finishing a whole lot slower than anyone even slightly
>decent.
>Good bike ride, caught quite a few people.
>OK run (this being before I started having achilles issues with running).
>Finish position: crap.
>
>It was interesting, but I'm not suited for it, and I don't do the 'it's
>taking part that counts' thing.
Which is why I'm trying to drum some sense into Wendy's thick skull!!
;o)
John HUDSON
wrote:
How dare you impugn the honour of a married woman Sirrah!! ;o)
Steve Freides
>I deadlift in stocking feet.
> I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
>
> Advice?
Yes (and please forgive me if I don't involved in the rest of the
nonsense in this thread).
Deadlifting in Chuck Taylors or Converse AllStars or even wrestling
shoes or martial arts shoes - all those are 100% OK for deadlifting. As
you probably know, I'm the Minimalist Kid when it comes to lifting in
equipment of any sort, but I prefer All Stars to bare feet or socks for
DL'ing although I couldn't tell you why. Get yourself a pair of
whatever you like that's _not_ a squishy-soled, raised-heeled running
shoe and don't worry about it for another second.
-S-
Jim Ranieri
> spodosaurus wrote:
>
> > If someone drops a weight on your foot, they're the ones that'll be sued
> > for not making you wear shoes. Happens all the time.
>
> This boggles my mind. I'd have to look this up to believe it. Maybe
> I'll research stupid lawsuits on snopes later. I can't fathom a
> scenario in which I drop a weight on my toe and sue someone for not
> adequately protecting me from myself.
>
Despite your advanced age, there's a childlike naivete that's almost
touching.
Almost.
:-)
elzinator
>In article <n2l4p0pt24o1gkjnl...@4ax.com>, John HUDSON wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:38:33 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I deadlift in stocking feet.
>> >
>> >says I have to wear shoes in case a weight drops on my toes. (Look at a
>> >barbell - how does this happen, exactly?) Anyway, this is the same gym
>> >that currently doesn't have a power cage or squat rack so people squat
>> >without a way to dump the bar from pins on the outside of a narrow cage.
>> > It's also the same gym that won't get enough clips for the bars
>> >because "people don't use them." Their concept of safe use of the gym
>> >is a bit befuddling.
>> >
>> >So when the trainer told me it is unsafe for me to not be wearing shoes
>> >while I deadlift I accepted her advice the same way I accept all the
>> >other trainer's advice, i.e., I smiled and said thank you and continued
>> >weren't necessary because they just give a false sense of safety, at
>> >which point I shook the bar vertically from both ends. Sort of
>> >disproved her point.)
>> >
>> >She left. It turned out she went to ask management if I was allowed to
>> >take my shoes off in the weight room. And then she came back and pulled
>> >rank.
>> >
>> >I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
>> >
>> >Advice?
>>
>>
>> Rules are rules old dear and resenting authority is self-defeating!!
>
>isn't great since the heels are generally too spongy.
Strictly running shoes, possibly. However, a good cross-training shoe
will have a good floor grip and solid base as well as protecting the
feet/toes and providing ankle support, for those of us who need it.
I've always DL'ed more sumo than conventional and I tried the ballet
slippers thang,: didn't like the instability of the ankles and too
paranoid about slipping. My stable gym shoes work best for me.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
---------------
My give-a-shit meter is broken.
elzinator
Can't you see that he's just pushing your buttons?
It's called "TROLLING".
Lee Michaels
"elzinator" <callof...@nospam.net> wrote
Elzi, you need some custom deadlift shoes that incorporate horseshoes.
That should give you some floor grip!
elzinator
Horseshoes with cleats (yes, they exist).
John HUDSON
It's working well enough to prompt you to respond as a result of this
"TROLLING" Elzi darling!1 ;o)
Helgi Briem
>I deadlift in stocking feet.
>
>A gym trainer just discovered this horrifying safety flaw in me. (She
>says I have to wear shoes in case a weight drops on my toes.
Yeah right, shoes will do a whole lot of good if you drop a barbell on
your toes. Are steel-capped shoes mandatory?
> (Look at a barbell - how does this happen, exactly?)
Can happen if you do sumo-style deadlifts.
>Anyway, this is the same gym
>that currently doesn't have a power cage or squat rack so people squat
>without a way to dump the bar from pins on the outside of a narrow cage.
> It's also the same gym that won't get enough clips for the bars
>because "people don't use them." Their concept of safe use of the gym
>is a bit befuddling.
Yes.
>I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
Stupid.
>Advice?
Sorry, no. Try going over her head?
--
Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Per Elmsäter
Pardon my English! At the moment when I was writing that I couldn't come up
with a good English translation. Maybe something like "small textile fibers"
would have been more suitable. If you've ever taken a shower in a Gym you
know what I'm talking about. This gunky darkish shit that starts growing on
the floor between the shower and the locker room. I.e. small textile fibers
from the socks falling off the bare feet of the people going into the
showers.
Keith Hobman
How much you are lifting depends too. I have a pair of cross-trainers that
are fine for squatting up to 400, but if you go higher you start to get
instability because of the compression.
OTOH, Ed Coan wears a pair of old, broken down cross-trainers and he lifts
way more than me. But he goes up to 800 without even bothering to tie them
up during a video shoot of him squatting. And I suspect the heels have
been flattened due to the age of the shoots and the compression put on
them by Coan.
Jim Ranieri
"Per Elmsäter" <per...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wSGkd.8459$d5.7...@newsb.telia.net...
Small textile fibers? I think what you got there is mildew, son.
Per Elmsäter
Yep that's what'll happen to them if they don't cleaned up.
Since you're calling me son, I hope you're older than 54 gramps.
Dally
> I wonder if either of you realise that your flirting is quite obvious to
> the rest of us.
Belittling ridicule never did it for me.
Weird.
Dally
Dally
> "Dally" <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
>>
>>Advice?
>
>
> Yes (and please forgive me if I don't involved in the rest of the
> nonsense in this thread).
>
> Deadlifting in Chuck Taylors or Converse AllStars or even wrestling
> shoes or martial arts shoes - all those are 100% OK for deadlifting. As
> you probably know, I'm the Minimalist Kid when it comes to lifting in
> equipment of any sort, but I prefer All Stars to bare feet or socks for
> DL'ing although I couldn't tell you why. Get yourself a pair of
> whatever you like that's _not_ a squishy-soled, raised-heeled running
> shoe and don't worry about it for another second.
Okay, thanks, I see a consensus here.
Dally
Dally
> Can't you see that he's just pushing your buttons?
>
> It's called "TROLLING".
Sorry I fell into it. I guess that "touching naivete" thing was in
play. I sure prefer the concept of "trolling" over flirting by telling
me how fat and unathletic I am. (Does that work anywhere?)
Dally
Dally
> In article <h4j5p0pedm6re4lau...@4ax.com>, nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:14:54 -0600, Keith Hobman wrote:
>>>Rules are made to be bent. Wearing running shoes with a heavy deadlift
>>>isn't great since the heels are generally too spongy.
>>
>>
>>Strictly running shoes, possibly. However, a good cross-training shoe
>>will have a good floor grip and solid base as well as protecting the
>>feet/toes and providing ankle support, for those of us who need it.
>>
>>I've always DL'ed more sumo than conventional and I tried the ballet
>>slippers thang,: didn't like the instability of the ankles and too
>>paranoid about slipping. My stable gym shoes work best for me.
>>
>>Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
>
>
> How much you are lifting depends too. I have a pair of cross-trainers that
> are fine for squatting up to 400, but if you go higher you start to get
> instability because of the compression.
There's a pretty good chance I'm lifting less than Elzi. :-) And I
prefer sumo, too. So her point is a good one. But I've been buying new
running shoes a couple of times a year and haven't bought cross-trainers
in a dog's age. I wear the running shoes to weightlift because I
typically (in non-injured-ankle-state) run a mile first just as a warm-up.
I'll look into getting a pair of cross-trainers when/if I cease running.
Dally
Jim Ranieri
Only in dog years, pops.
John HUDSON
And you regularly rebuked me when I was pleasant to you, so what does
turn you on Wendy?!! ;o)
Helgi Briem
Isn't it a variation of the old "pigtail pulling" stunt?
John HUDSON
I have been guilty of 'accusing' you of being the nicest and most
decent contributor to the group.
At the risk of being ungallant, and as a fervent admirer of the female
form, I have to be honest and say that I am not attracted to you in
the slightest. Pointing out your physical shortcomings only came about
as the result of honesty, in response to your grandiose plans to
compete in Triathlon.
If my gentlemanly attitude toward you has all but disappeared it was
on your own instructions, and as the result of your petty attitudes
concerning political correctness.
Live with it; as ye sow, so shall ye reap!! ;o)
Dally
My husband knows. You don't need to.
Dally
David
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:43:21 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>
> >elzinator wrote:
> >
> >> Can't you see that he's just pushing your buttons?
> >>
> >> It's called "TROLLING".
> >
> >Sorry I fell into it. I guess that "touching naivete" thing was in
> >play. I sure prefer the concept of "trolling" over flirting by telling
> >me how fat and unathletic I am. (Does that work anywhere?)
>
> I have been guilty of 'accusing' you of being the nicest and most
> decent contributor to the group.
>
> At the risk of being ungallant, and as a fervent admirer of the female
> form, I have to be honest and say that I am not attracted to you in
> the slightest. Pointing out your physical shortcomings only came about
> as the result of honesty, in response to your grandiose plans to
> compete in Triathlon.
and what's wrong with Dally?? I think you'll find all the parts are there
and in good working order. I demand that you retract that statement!
John HUDSON
I was speaking metaphorically, and this is a Usenet newsgroup, so it
wasn't a real life can I give you one now Ma'am question.
We don't really want to know what your and your husband do in the
privacy of your own home - or wherever else you may do it!! ;o)
Get real Wendy and stop being so silly!!
David
never did it for me
John HUDSON
wrote:
>
>"John HUDSON" <j...@fitnwell.net> wrote in message
>news:nis6p054n1uffl0ji...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:43:21 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>> >elzinator wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can't you see that he's just pushing your buttons?
>> >>
>> >> It's called "TROLLING".
>> >
>> >Sorry I fell into it. I guess that "touching naivete" thing was in
>> >play. I sure prefer the concept of "trolling" over flirting by telling
>> >me how fat and unathletic I am. (Does that work anywhere?)
>>
>> I have been guilty of 'accusing' you of being the nicest and most
>> decent contributor to the group.
>>
>> At the risk of being ungallant, and as a fervent admirer of the female
>> form, I have to be honest and say that I am not attracted to you in
>> the slightest. Pointing out your physical shortcomings only came about
>> as the result of honesty, in response to your grandiose plans to
>> compete in Triathlon.
>
>and what's wrong with Dally??
She is not in the right proportions, even after a weight loss of
75lbs, to suit my rather esoteric tastes and mores!!
>I think you'll find all the parts are there
>and in good working order.
But not particularly well distributed or in the right quantity!! ;o)
>I demand that you retract that statement!
Right away Sir! I retract that statement!!
G'day David, nice to see ya 'cobbler'!! ;o)
David
ditto here . . . and good to see you educating these dumb yanks about
drongos etc!
John HUDSON
wrote:
Someone's got to do it!! ;o)
David
Per Elmsäter
OK, I'll give you that as a handicap, kid.
Pat Styles
news:4192a41f$1...@quokka.wn.com.au...
> John HUDSON wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:01:16 +0800, spodosaurus
>> <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John HUDSON wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:24:54 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>John HUDSON wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>again, and particularly if she ventures into triathlon, so I fail to
>>>>>>see them being of much use to her in the gym!! ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>Holy mackeral, will you get off that triathalon diatribe?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's mackerel, and no "diatribe" from me, it's 'cloud cuckoo land'
>>>>from you!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's a 5K race! It won't kill me! As for the "if she ever runs again"
>>>>>drama, I think it's safe to say my sprained ankle isn't a career-ending
>>>>>injury.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're built for comfort not for speed, and if you want to cripple
>>>>yourself for the sake of vanity, you carry on!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Heck, I could probably do it with my crutches and snorkel. It's a triathlon
>>>in name only. It's not really more than an hour and a halfs for a very
>>>slowwwww person...like walking it :-)
>>
>>
>> I agree Ari, but this is Wendy we're discussing!! ;o)
>
> I wonder if either of you realise that your flirting is quite obvious to the
> rest of us.
I may be libertarian, but even I would concede to mandatory sterilization for
these two.
ps
Keith Hobman
<gst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Think of the children!
Pat Styles
John HUDSON
That's just wishful and uncharitable thinking Pat.
However, more realistically, I do believe that people with bodily
deformities, like your 'chicken legs' for instance, before being
allowed any sort of copulatory activity, should pass a suitability
board to ascertain fitness to breed!!
http://www.fitnwell.net/Pat%20Styles.jpg
See what I mean? Stop egging me on, you're cracking me up!!
Cluck cluck cluck.......... ;o)
John HUDSON
wrote:
It's like taking candy out of the mouths of babes Keith, when Pat or
Lee, who have me "killfiled" and are supposed to be 'ignoring' me,
come to town!! ;o)
John HUDSON
Here's a family hoedown Pat, which looks to be a foul gathering but
where you can more easily rule the roost!!
http://www.renegadechickens.com/chickens/Toons/emily4.JPG
Get laid and shell out to get someone to work on those legs old lad!!
;o)
geek_girl
> I sure prefer the concept of "trolling" over flirting by
> telling me how fat and unathletic I am. (Does that work anywhere?)
Yes, but it generally only works on women who are accustomed to men
constantly telling them how hawt they are. Google on "neg hit".
Will
Ignoramus24009 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.24009.invalid> wrote:
> A suggestion that one would be better off if a heavy barbell drops on
> their feet enclosed in soft shoes, as opposed to bare feet, may have
> come from the same person who suggested that running on asphalt is
> gentler on feet than running on concrete, because asphalt is less hard
> on the Rockwell hardness index.
>
> Both belie no knowledge of physics.
>
> I would understand if the rules required you to wear steel toed boots,
> those at least would protect your feet a little, but soft shoes
> obviously do not help much if you drop 60 lbs (ons side of a barbell)
> on them.
Shoes will contain the blood somewhat though. Less mess for the gym
workers to clean up.
Lyle McDonald
> A suggestion that one would be better off if a heavy barbell drops on
> their feet enclosed in soft shoes, as opposed to bare feet, may have
> come from the same person who suggested that running on asphalt is
> gentler on feet than running on concrete, because asphalt is less hard
> on the Rockwell hardness index.
>
> Both belie no knowledge of physics.
>
> I would understand if the rules required you to wear steel toed boots,
> those at least would protect your feet a little, but soft shoes
> obviously do not help much if you drop 60 lbs (ons side of a barbell)
> on them.
correct.
However, wearing closed toed shoes vs. sandals saves the gym the hassle
of cleaning up the gore, blood and pus that will spray when you drop
said plates on your foot.
Lyle
JonH
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.24009.invalid> wrote:
>That's an excellent point. Perhaps we should start requiring skydivers
>to wear soft full body neoprene suits, with similar reasoning. (if the
>parachute does not open, the impact would be "cushioned")
>
>i
Actually, they're supposed to wear a Kotex 'co it'll soak up 8 pints
of blood without leaking.
Dally
Thanks, that is [obviously] not something I have experience with. I
think this might be the most educational group on usenet.
Dally
John HUDSON
It's certainly getting back that way as the election recedes!! ;o)
Proton Soup
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.24009.invalid> wrote:
>A suggestion that one would be better off if a heavy barbell drops on
>their feet enclosed in soft shoes, as opposed to bare feet, may have
>come from the same person who suggested that running on asphalt is
>gentler on feet than running on concrete, because asphalt is less hard
>on the Rockwell hardness index.
>
>Both belie no knowledge of physics.
>
>I would understand if the rules required you to wear steel toed boots,
>those at least would protect your feet a little, but soft shoes
>obviously do not help much if you drop 60 lbs (ons side of a barbell)
>on them.
>
>That said, rules are rules, including stupid rules. You do not have to
>respect them, but you may need to follow them.
While I mostly agree with you, I think there may be a bit less damage
with shoes, because the fabric will spread the force of impact out
somewhat. Cuts would probably not be as deep, and bones may shatter
into fewer pieces.
-----------
Proton Soup
"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane
Lucas Buck
Does it work on women with ginormous asses?
geek_girl
It depends. Ginormous in a good way or a bad way?
elzinator
hahahhaaa!!!!!!!! :)
---------------
My give-a-shit meter is broken.
elzinator
>In article <h4j5p0pedm6re4lau...@4ax.com>, nospam.net wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:14:54 -0600, Keith Hobman wrote:
>> >In article <n2l4p0pt24o1gkjnl...@4ax.com>, John HUDSON wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:38:33 -0500, Dally <da...@myself.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I deadlift in stocking feet.
>> >> >
>> >> >says I have to wear shoes in case a weight drops on my toes. (Look at a
>> >> >barbell - how does this happen, exactly?) Anyway, this is the same gym
>> >> >that currently doesn't have a power cage or squat rack so people squat
>> >> >without a way to dump the bar from pins on the outside of a narrow cage.
>> >> > It's also the same gym that won't get enough clips for the bars
>> >> >because "people don't use them." Their concept of safe use of the gym
>> >> >is a bit befuddling.
>> >> >
>> >> >So when the trainer told me it is unsafe for me to not be wearing shoes
>> >> >while I deadlift I accepted her advice the same way I accept all the
>> >> >other trainer's advice, i.e., I smiled and said thank you and continued
>> >> >doing what I was doing. (The same person also told me that the clips
>> >> >weren't necessary because they just give a false sense of safety, at
>> >> >which point I shook the bar vertically from both ends. Sort of
>> >> >disproved her point.)
>> >> >
>> >> >She left. It turned out she went to ask management if I was allowed to
>> >> >take my shoes off in the weight room. And then she came back and pulled
>> >> >rank.
>> >> >
>> >> >I must wear shoes if I'm going to deadlift in our weightroom.
>> >> >
>> >> >Advice?
>> >>
>> >> Wear the shoes and stop being stroppy!!
>> >>
>> >> Rules are rules old dear and resenting authority is self-defeating!!
>> >
>> >Rules are made to be bent. Wearing running shoes with a heavy deadlift
>> >isn't great since the heels are generally too spongy.
>>
>>
>> Strictly running shoes, possibly. However, a good cross-training shoe
>> will have a good floor grip and solid base as well as protecting the
>> feet/toes and providing ankle support, for those of us who need it.
>>
>> I've always DL'ed more sumo than conventional and I tried the ballet
>> slippers thang,: didn't like the instability of the ankles and too
>> paranoid about slipping. My stable gym shoes work best for me.
>>
>> Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
>
>How much you are lifting depends too. I have a pair of cross-trainers that
>are fine for squatting up to 400, but if you go higher you start to get
>instability because of the compression.
>
>OTOH, Ed Coan wears a pair of old, broken down cross-trainers and he lifts
>way more than me. But he goes up to 800 without even bothering to tie them
>up during a video shoot of him squatting. And I suspect the heels have
>been flattened due to the age of the shoots and the compression put on
>them by Coan.
I have to admit that my old worn cross-trainers are more comfortable
for DLing than the new ones, which I have to fiddle with to get
'right.' But the new ones are most valuable for squatting. Now if the
heel was just a bit taller.....