Was Mike Mentzer gay?
Spleen Merchent
life to getting the Mr. Olympia (and failing thanks to Arnold); and then the
second half towards promoting his High Intensity Training philosophy.
Did he or his brother leave behind any kids or a family? Were either or both
of them gay?
Spleen Merchent
>
Those two were very sick physically and fucked up thanks to steroids (though
Black Bob will claim it was just natural kidney illnesses and heart
problems).
I doubt that once they hit their forties they were swinging much. Apparently
they never found anyone (male or female) that loved them. When they died, it
appears like they did not have any family at all. The reports were pretty
much (bodies found, then buried). No mention of any memorial, etc.
Curt James
>"Spleen Merchent" <splee...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>> Mike Mentzer died a few years ago after dedicating the first half of
>> his life to getting the Mr. Olympia (and failing thanks to Arnold);
>
>HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
>We allready discussed this several weeks ago!
True. Good discussion, imo. And fully Googlable.
>> and then the second half towards promoting his High Intensity
>> Training philosophy.
>
>> Did he or his brother leave behind any kids or a family? Were
>> either or both of them gay?
You could ask Cathy Gelfo.
>And incestouas.
I suspect there'd be a niche for those videos.
Me? I'll stick with my search for Claudia Montemaggi's Olympia posing
routine on VHS or DVD, thanks.
--
Curt
Curt James
[...]
re Mike and Ray Mentzer
>Apparently
Apparently you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
>they never found anyone (male or female) that loved them.
Pretty informed, are you?
>When they died, it appears like they did not have any family
>at all.
They had a sister, Marieann, however I have no clue whatever happened
to her. Ray and Mike both graduated from Ephrata High School which is
also my alma mater. Ray was a member of the 30-pin club in wrestling.
>The reports were pretty much (bodies found, then buried).
>No mention of any memorial, etc.
Their mother and father preceded them both in death. My aunt was a
nurse at Ephrata Community Hospital years ago. Ray and Mike both
visited their mother while she was in the hospital. The Mentzer
family, unfortunately, has a history of heart disease.
Ray made at least one appearance at the Ephrata Rec Center, signing
autographs for fans. And Mike made at least one appearance at the old
Lancaster Health Spa.
To say that no one loved Mike and Ray is to speak from ignorance.
Hth.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Spleen Merchent
ignorance.
>
>
You and thousands of other fans may have loved them, but I am talking about
LEGAL heirs who could set up a memorial to continue the HIT legacy in some
manner.
Spouses, children, anyone left of the Mentzer family? I think it is kind of
tragic if they left no one.
Curt James
That'd be John Little and Joanne Sharkey. Definitely legal and
hell-bent on continuing the HIT legacy. I am curious about Marieanne,
though.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Vachon
and
> hell-bent on continuing the HIT legacy. I am curious about Marieanne,
> though.
>
Who are they? Please explain.
Curt James
[...]
re John Little and Joanne Sharkey
>Who are they? Please explain.
high-intensity training innovator" according to...
http://www.mikementzer.com/Consultations_John.html
Joanne Sharkey was Mike's business assistant and is current President
and CEO of Mentzer-Sharkey Enterprises, Inc.
If you're interested in learning more about Mike Mentzer, you may be
interested in the following links as well:
http://www.mikementzer.com/
http://www.ironage.us/guest_edit/mcgough.html
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
>"Curt James" <> John Little is Mentzer's "long-time friend of 22 years">
>
>You mean like homos?
Like I said, you could ask Cathy Gelfo.
Have you had any friends of the same sex for 22 years? Would that make
you homosexual? And what's your interest in the sexuality of the
deceased? Or are you more interested in John Little?
Rhetorical.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
>I have no frickin idea what John Little is. I just wondered how much of a
>total frickin loser failure Mike Mentzer turned out to be, and apparently
>his whole family tree is dead and his two friends are milking his legacy for
>every penny they can get.
There's money to be made and so entrepreneurial types will make that
money, but I'd like to think that Little has a sincere interest in
keeping Mentzer's training philosophy and products in the hands of
people who can best use them rather than allow Mentzer's legacy to
collect dust. I can't really argue with your cynicism, however. Your
viewpoint may well be accurate so far as the financial motives go.
Regardless, Mentzer lives on after a fashion.
>Mike Mentzer was a major frickin pussy who gave up after Arnold kicked his
>ass. Apparently Mentzer could not even get his dick up to spawn any kids (if
>he wasn't gay) and then died from the steroids he had sucked up in order NOT
>to win the Mr. Olympia.
I'm also disappointed that Mentzer didn't return to competition in the
following years. Damn shame, actually.
But are you truly angry with Mentzer or are you just looking for a
negative/hostile reaction to your posts?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Vachon
for a
> negative/hostile reaction to your posts?
>
I am disappointed that someone who seemed like he had so much promise back
in the day basically died with a whimper. His brother also disappeared
completely from BB around the same time (1980) or earlier.
Add Bertil Fox, Lou Ferrigno, Sergio Oliva, and so many other guys that went
in the wrong directions or seemed to give up.
Was Sergio washed up after 1971? How many great BBers did Arnold seem to
screw up with his psychological warfare?
Curt James
>"Curt James" <> But are you truly angry with Mentzer or are
>>you just looking for a negative/hostile reaction to your posts?
>>
>I am disappointed that someone who seemed like he had so much
>promise back in the day basically died with a whimper.
Apparently he'd had two undetected heart attacks. Rather than having
died with a whimper, Mentzer was on the road back to bodybuilding
success (financially, getting the message out, training, etc.) But,
yeah, it would have been great to see him compete in '81 and beyond.
>His brother also disappeared completely from BB around the same
>time (1980) or earlier.
Likewise Ray. It would have been great to see him continue to compete.
I believe he had a much better frame, aesthetically speaking, than
Mike's. Compare their biceps peak. Ray all the way.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/store/media/mike-ray-mentzer.jpg
http://www.drdarden.com/img/photos/metz.jpg
Better abs, longer calves, better chest, and taller. Not as broad as
his big brother, but the mass certainly would have come.
>Add Bertil Fox,
Uh, murdering people (even unintentionally - see the link), I suspect,
never helped anyone's bodybuilding career, eh? Well, let me amend
that... it helped Bertil's /competition/, obviously.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_10_23/ai_n15894917
An incredible NABBA champ, though.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/bertilfox.html#3
>Lou Ferrigno, Sergio Oliva, and so many other guys that went
>in the wrong directions or seemed to give up.
Louie is still as big as a house and made far more money OFF a posing
dais than on one. And how you can say Oliva "seemed to give up" is
beyond me. Give up? Oliva is a champion and, despite not reaching
Schwarzenegger's level of success, certainly deserves your respect.
Give up. Ridiculous.
>Was Sergio washed up after 1971?
Washed up? Excuse me, my eyes are bleeding. Oliva was smart. He could
see the writing on the wall so far as the IFBB and Arnold goes and,
therefore, made the intelligent choice: WABBA and WBBG.
http://www.sergiooliva.com/bio.html
>How many great BBers did Arnold seem to screw up with his
>psychological warfare?
While Arnold's tenacity and trickery are legendary, I suspect his
physique and personality had much more to do with his success than any
amount of psychological warfare.
Arnold did not, imo, screw up any great bodybuilders, he paved the way
for today's incredible purses as well as one of the top bodybuiding
championships on the planet. Apparently, even Mike Mentzer mended
fences with Arnold prior to Mentzer's untimely death.
I do appreciate your interest in bodybuilding history and the sport's
many champions. Thanks for posting. What else you got?! ;o)
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Vachon
untimely death.
>
Did Arnold go to their funeral?
Curt James
Haven't you been following the DON'T MAKE JOKES thread?
...
Seriously.
--
Pete
>>"Curt James" <Mike Mentzer mended fences with
>>Arnold prior to Mentzer's untimely death.
>>Did Arnold go to their funeral?
> Haven't you been following the DON'T MAKE JOKES thread?
Must be something in the air, everybody is a comedian all of a sudden.
And yes, i believe Arnold went to the cremation. He insisted that he was the
one liting the match...
----
Pete
Vachon
It reminds me of the Sam Kinison routine about Sex with the Dead.
Curt James
>"Pete" <> And yes, i believe Arnold went to the cremation.>>
Very funny, Pete. (But probably something Arnold would get a kick out
of from the perspective of "How many people have done THIS?". Still,
with his father's ties... also probably not something Arnold would
publicize as one of his hobbies.)
>It reminds me of the Sam Kinison routine about Sex with the Dead.
http://www.samkinison.org/
One of the true kings of comedy.
--
Curt
Pete
> Very funny, Pete. (But probably something Arnold would get a kick out
> of from the perspective of "How many people have done THIS?". Still,
> with his father's ties... also probably not something Arnold would
> publicize as one of his hobbies.)
Yeah, i remember the link you posted about Arnold, and what he has done in
his younger years. I read it 3 times or so.
I dont think he a a fair deal, he was portrayed in a very negative way.
----
Pete
Robert Schuh
You are a fucking asshole. They were fucked up from using more speed than 90% of
the tweekers in any large city. Get a life asshole.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
Robert Schuh
Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit. I trained with Mike
in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE has developed a top notch
physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
Pete
> Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit. I trained with
> Mike
> in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE has developed a top
> notch
> physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
Rob, what about Dorian?
Dorian said many, MANY times that he used that exact same system, and that
his workouts lasted 40-50 minutes or so.Was he BSing as well?
----
Pete
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Robert Schuh" <> Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit.
> I trained with Mike in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE
> has developed a top notch physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
> >
>
> Are you saying that Mike Mentzer and his training philosophy are a complete
> fabrication?
I am saying that Mike Mentzer did not develop is body using HIT. When I trained
with him he did 15 sets for chest and 12 for biceps. It is physiologically
impossible to gain significant muscle using 1 or 2 sets/body part. NO top BBer
has developed a top level physique with this training.
Robert Schuh
Dorian NEVER said he did 1 set/body part. Dorian trained VERY hard and did less
sets than most pros, but he still did 12-15 sets/body part. Just get his video
and watch him train.
Pete
>> Rob, what about Dorian?
>> Dorian said many, MANY times that he used that exact same system, and
>> that
>> his workouts lasted 40-50 minutes or so.Was he BSing as well?
> Dorian NEVER said he did 1 set/body part.
Hmmm... My bad then. I am pretty sure i recall that he metioned that several
times.
> Dorian trained VERY hard and did less
> sets than most pros, but he still did 12-15 sets/body part. Just get his
> video
> and watch him train.
I have Blood andGuts on myhard-disc, but i aam always a tiny bit sceptical
about those videos...
I am pretty sure i wll see him the next few months. He has an appartment
pretty much near the Red Light District.
I think i am gonna ask him.
----
Pete
David Cohen
"Pete" <phou...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>
> I have Blood andGuts on myhard-disc, but i aam always a tiny bit sceptical
> about those videos...
Yeah, don't trust the videos.
The magazines...THAT'S where you find all the true stuff.
:)
David
Pete
>> I have Blood andGuts on myhard-disc, but i aam always a tiny bit
>> sceptical about those videos...
> Yeah, don't trust the videos.
> The magazines...THAT'S where you find all the true stuff.
To tell you the truth, my so called infinite wisdom when it comes to matters
such as training, are copy and pasted responses from Muscle & Fitness that i
scan in.
I have a live-long subsribtion.
----
Pete
Hobbes
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Spleen Merchent wrote:
>
> > "Curt James" <> To say that no one loved Mike and Ray is to speak from
> > ignorance.
> > >
> > >
> > You and thousands of other fans may have loved them, but I am talking about
> > LEGAL heirs who could set up a memorial to continue the HIT legacy in some
> > manner.
> >
> > Spouses, children, anyone left of the Mentzer family? I think it is kind of
> > tragic if they left no one.
>
> Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit. I trained with Mike
> in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE has developed a top
> notch
> physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
I dunno. Some people can make a lot of money with HIT.
:^)
--
Keith
Hobbes
"Polesmoker Bob" <poles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Robert Schuh" <> Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit.
> I trained with Mike in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE
> has developed a top notch physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
> >
>
> Are you saying that Mike Mentzer and his training philosophy are a complete
> fabrication?
>
>
Also Jones and his training with Casey Viator. Viator later admitted he
did a whole pile of extra squats and dips because he knew he needed the
work.
There were a few guys like Yates that did very intense, brief workouts.
But even then they do at least 5-6 sets per bodypart, AFAIK.
--
Keith
Robert Schuh
> In article <Mt2mg.8948$o4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Polesmoker Bob" <poles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-archive: yes
> >
> > "Robert Schuh" <> Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit.
> > I trained with Mike in 1978 and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part. NO ONE
> > has developed a top notch physique using HIT. HIT is SHIT.
> > >
> >
> > Are you saying that Mike Mentzer and his training philosophy are a complete
> > fabrication?
> >
> >
>
> Also Jones and his training with Casey Viator. Viator later admitted he
> did a whole pile of extra squats and dips because he knew he needed the
> work.
It is well known that the "Colorado Experiment" was a matter of Casey being in a
car accident and being horribly under trained. He then got back on the juice and
everything he gained was muscle memory. Jones is known as a joke in the muscle
game.
>
>
> There were a few guys like Yates that did very intense, brief workouts.
> But even then they do at least 5-6 sets per bodypart, AFAIK.
>
> --
> Keith
Dorian did 12-15 sets/body part. Just get a copy of Blood and Guts. It is worth
it just to see him train and see how freaky he was at the time.
Robert Schuh
LOL! Kenny G makes a lot of money playing that horse shit he does, but it does not
make it good music. :-)
Hobbes
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ain't that the truth!
Our jazz festival starts this weekend. I normally restrict myself to the
outdoor blues garden, but this year the headliner on Sat night is Little
Richard.
Hmm. Roots rock and roll, to be sure, but hardly blues.
We have a pretty good jazz festival - nice venues and the whole city
gets into it. You may have to get up here some time!
--
Keith
Curt James
[...]
>Mike did NOT build his body using the silly HIT bullshit.
>I trained with Mike in 1978
gym and also training, well, I "trained with Mike" too. Big whoop.
>and he was doing 12-15 sets/body part.
>NO ONE has developed a top notch physique using
>HIT. HIT is SHIT.
--
Curt
Curt James
>trained with him he did 15 sets for chest and 12 for biceps.
>It is physiologically impossible to gain significant muscle
>using 1 or 2 sets/body part. NO top BBer has developed
>a top level physique with this training.
And, iirc, there's some mention of "warm-up" sets versus "working"
sets.
--
Curt <--- my real name
http://curtjames.com/
Robert Schuh
I will never understand why they ever have a blues band in a "Jazz Festival."
Having Little Richard just makes it totally ludicrous! :-)
Rob
Hobbes
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We do have a blues festival now, so yeah, it doesn't make much sense.
--
Keith
Moylo
Spleen Merchent wrote:
> Mike Mentzer died a few years ago after dedicating the first half of his
> life to getting the Mr. Olympia (and failing thanks to Arnold); and then the
> second half towards promoting his High Intensity Training philosophy.
>
> Did he or his brother leave behind any kids or a family? Were either or both
> of them gay?
The Mentzer brother weren't gay. Ray infact left a daughter behind.
Moylo
As Robert Schuh rightly pointed out Dorian Yates made a successfull
physique using the HIT theory.And your right Mike did use 12/15 sets
per body part in 1978.But if u bothered your sorry ass to read his
books you would realise after 1978 when he got in his peak form for the
early 80's he made his biggest gains developing his style of HIT
trainning
Robert Schuh
I did not say Dorian used the HIT bullshit. Dorian also did 12-15 sets/body part. No
one will EVER be a top notch BBer doing HIT
Curt James
[...]
> No one will EVER be a top notch BBer doing HIT
Blanket statements or those statements allowing absolutely no room for
miracles, genetic superiority (or advantage in the context of a
specific sport or activity), and/or FateLuckChance are - more often
than not, I suspect - for the foolish.
Where'd you get your narrow hips and broad shoulders, Bobby? Did they
arrive after performing 12-15 sets per body part for a specific number
of months or years?
Thought so.
Likewise, Mr. Olympia may just be "born" one day.
Hth.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> he wasn't gay.
>
> his jizz-splattered portrait of ayn rand was
> auctioned off on ebay a few years back.
Now how in hell does THAT prove that Mike Mentzer wasn't ga... wait.
Whaa?
Just hold up! Ayn Rand is WOMAN??? No way!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/aynrand.jpg
I'm far from convinced.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
re http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/aynrand.jpg
> compared to Ayn Rand, Franco Columbu looks like a pretty woman
To be fair, I picked the most unflattering pic I could find to
represent Rand and thus support my little joke. FOR SHAME!
http://www.accs.net/users/wolf/ayn_rand.JPG
http://www.societalibera.org/images/cammino/5_20.jpg
http://www.arches.uga.edu/~jpetrie/rand3.gif
http://www.philosophyprofessor.com/images/philosophers/ayn-rand.jpg
Those are all much better at displaying Rand's natural beauty.
--
Curt
Curt James
[...]
> BTW, I ripped Mike Mentzer an ass in a letter that was published in Flex way
> back when he was still writing for MD (?), around 1994. Basically pointed
> out that he was a major pussy who had avoided any competition since Arnold
> kicked his ass in 1980 (or robbed him). Also mentioned that HIT was bullshit
> for fags.
There's respect. See, what you don't realize is that you made
*yourself* an ass rather than ripping Mike a new one. Just a guess, of
course. But, hey, Mike Mentzer... Mr. Universe versus "Sol"... not Mr.
Universe.
> I also managed to get a letter into whatever mag he was writing for (MD?)
> that asked about his lack of competition since 1980. Back in those days,
> Mentzer and some other guy used to each have a Rant page that was a lot of
> fun to read, especially when they were pissed off. My letter pissed him off,
> which was good.
How do you know that your letter pissed him off? Did he reply directly?
I got a postcard from Don Ross back in the day. That was pretty cool.
Spoke with Ron Teufel waaay back in the day. Stood onstage with him
during the Mr. Lancaster contest. Also cool.
Otoh, being able to brag "I ripped Mike Mentzer an ass... /in a
letter/"? Not so cool, imo.
> Too bad he never competed after 1980. R.I.P. Mike Mentzer.
I do agree with you on this point, however.
In fact (okay, opinion), I say he and Ray would quite possibly both
still be alive if Arnold had given the '80 O a pass.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> > In fact (okay, opinion), I say he and Ray would quite possibly both
> > still be alive if Arnold had given the '80 O a pass.
>
> mentzer may have won the '80 olympia. mentzer tied for fourth in that
> contest.
A tie? What? There was no tie. He placed an incredible 5th. Absurd.
More: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-237721.html
And I said I think they'd both might still be alive. I didn't say
Mentzer would have gone onto win a thousand Olympias or even that he
would have won the 1980 competition. Otoh, without Arnold's presence in
Australia on that day, who knows?
--
Curt
Curt James
> excuse me, mentzer placed fifth.
Yeah, I noticed that.
Well, I can't believe that ifbb.com doesn't have a listing of all the
placings from the first O to the present day.
> gotta remember that i need a second opinion when gleaning "facts" from
> the internet.
>
> Pez D Spencer wrote:
> > > In fact (okay, opinion), I say he and Ray would quite possibly both
> > > still be alive if Arnold had given the '80 O a pass.
> >
> > and if chris dickerson, frank zane, and boyer coe hadn't shown up, then
> > mentzer may have won the '80 olympia. mentzer tied for fourth in that
> > contest.
--
Curt
Curt James
> "Curt James" <what you don't realize is that you made *yourself* an ass
> rather than ripping Mike a new one. Just a guess, of course. >>
>
God, do I have to review this again? Take note: I am right. You are
wrong. Hth.
Pay attention. You made an ass out of yourself.
> Mentzer had been attacking the IFBB & Flex, and they printed my letter
> along with some editorial remarks along the lines of "Hey Mike, why not
> prove it on the competition stage?"
Okay, so you're bragging that a Flex editor printed your letter? Glad
you cleared that up.
> > How do you know that your letter pissed him off? Did he reply directly?
>
> He printed a portion of the letter on his Rants Page, and then did a rant
> about how the IFBB is fixed and he would never compete in it again, blah,
> blah, blah, along with some remarks about what he thought of the particular
> imaginary person that had sent him the letter. He mentioned coming to
> Florida to kick my ass. If I had known he had bad kidneys I would have sent
> him my real name and address.
That's direct enough. Still, my money? I say Mike Mentzer's corpse
could kick your ass. Come ON, pussy! You versus Mike and Ray. Today!
> It was fun to see him get slammed in Flex. My letter seemed to get the ball
> rolling
Hoo doggie! You must be darn proud there, Solly.
> and for several months others kept sending in letters slamming Mentzer
> (with an occasional defense printed, just so Flex could say "We got 75
> letters slamming Mentzer, and 5 letters defending him, here's one" and of
> course the only one they printed sounded like it was written by Bob Shue.
It's Schuh, Sol. And you're not saying that YOU are responsible for
Arnold's legion of fans decrying Mentzer's (not so) sour grapes? Uh,
grandiose much?
> Eventually Mentzer stopped talking about Flex & the IFBB, and Flex stopped
> printing letters that said all kinds of negative stuff about him.
How very interestiZZZZ...
--
Curt
Curt James
> "Curt James" <> Well, I can't believe that ifbb.com doesn't have
> a listing of all the placings from the first O to the present day.
> >
Hmmm. Let's see. http://www.getbig.com/ is what you're offering?
Thanks, Sol, but I'm familiar with getbig.com. Now, how exactly does
that relate to what I said? I can't believe that ~*IFBB.COM*~ doesn't
have a listing of all placings for the various Mr. O comps.
> I am starting to think that you are so dumb that you couldn't
> get laid in a trailer park.
Got that whole "get laid" on the brain, eh? Been a while? Rhetorical.
No need to embarrass yourself further.
--
Curt
Curt James
> "Curt James" <you're not saying that YOU are responsible for Arnold's legion
> of fans decrying Mentzer's (not so) sour grapes? Uh, grandiose much?
> >
(counts words...)
That's 21 from me.
> I am sayi<snip>
Versus line after line about how you're not going to talk to me.
How's that working out for you?
> <snip>Mike Mentzer could make a rant entertaining. On the
> months when he would do his rants, he was fun to read.
And when he wasn't entertaining or fun to read then you'd rip him a new
one. Can I have your autograph, Sol?
...
Oh. There goes that sarcasm again.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Will Brink
<khobman800-7201F...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Hobbes <khobm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> There were a few guys like Yates that did very intense, brief workouts.
> But even then they do at least 5-6 sets per bodypart, AFAIK.
They were brief by the standards of many bbers of the time, but were not
even close to HIT brief, as you are saying. I spoke with Dorian about
that several times. He told me he went to talk with Mike and see what he
could learn,did a workout, and went about his way with Mentzer claiming
he trained Yates and Yates followed his HIT system, etc. which is
nothing but BS. Dorian believes in brief intense workouts vs the very
high volume pumping workouts that were more common when he came on the
scene that are now mostly out of favor now. OK, so the conversation we
had took place at 3am in a "mens club" in Vegas, but that's does not
change what he said! :-)
--
Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
Curt James
[...]
> <snip>I spoke with Dorian about that several times. He told
> me he went to talk with Mike and see what he could learn,
> did a workout, and went about his way with Mentzer claiming
> he trained Yates and Yates followed his HIT system, etc. which
> is nothing but BS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bullshit, eh? Kinda like you sharing a conversation you had with Dorian
Yates about a man who's dead and therefore can obviously not defend
himself? Because that sounds like BS to me.
You're a piece of work, Brink.
What was that about compassion? I'd like to think that if you were in
danger that I'd lend assistance, however I could well understand
someone offering up something like...
"If he was on fire, I wouldn't cross the street to piss on him."
Me? I'd piss on you.
ahahahAHAH
Okay, seriously, I'd douse the flames immediately. And then I'd tell
the paramedics, "Save his man boobs!"
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/imnoone/MFW/wb.jpg
--
Curt <--- graduated from the same h.s. as the Mentzer brothers
http://curtjames.com/
David Cohen
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> Will Brink wrote:
> [...]
>
>> <snip>I spoke with Dorian about that several times. He told
>> me he went to talk with Mike and see what he could learn,
>> did a workout, and went about his way with Mentzer claiming
>> he trained Yates and Yates followed his HIT system, etc. which
>> is nothing but BS.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Bullshit, eh? Kinda like you sharing a conversation you had with Dorian
> Yates about a man who's dead and therefore can obviously not defend
> himself? Because that sounds like BS to me.
>
> You're a piece of work, Brink.
No, KING. Back. Stay.
TROLL DISENABLERMAN will not interfere with you trolling Will, because he is
well known and respected within the professional bodybuilding community, and
your attempts to argue anything in that area with him comes across as
pathetic.
TROLL DISENABLERMAN says "carry on".
TROLL DISENABLERMAN
Curt James
> "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Will Brink wrote:
[...]
> >> <snip>I spoke with Dorian about that several times. He told
> >> me he went to talk with Mike and see what he could learn,
> >> did a workout, and went about his way with Mentzer claiming
> >> he trained Yates and Yates followed his HIT system, etc. which
> >> is nothing but BS.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Bullshit, eh? Kinda like you sharing a conversation you had with Dorian
> > Yates about a man who's dead and therefore can obviously not defend
> > himself? Because that sounds like BS to me.
Brink states that Mentzer's claim that he trained Yates and Yates
followed his HIT system is nothing but BS.
This may be true, however what makes it appropriate for Brink to pass
on this tidbit of information? What respect is shown toward a fallen
athlete? Mike Mentzer was an athlete in a sport in which Will Brink has
never and will never achieve a fraction of the success at actually
*competing* in that sport. Has Brink ever stepped on a stage to compete
in a bodybuilding competition? If the answer is no, well, then case
closed, imo.
KING, bite your master. This case is CLOSED!
> > You're a piece of work, Brink.
And he is. Disrespectful, disingenuous, and... a dumbass - certainly in
this instance - with man boobs.
> No, KING. Back. Stay.
Save the schtick this time, Cohen, as your reasoning is in error.
> <snip>will not interfere with you trolling Will, because he is
> well known and respected within the professional bodybuilding
> community,
That's nice. It doesn't excuse Brink's behavior here, however.
> and your attempts to argue
There is no argument here either. Brink spoke ill of the dead. A dead
man, btw, whose achievements surpass anything that Will Brink has
achieved or ever will achieve in that professional bodybuilding
community you so glibly mention.
> anything in that area with him comes across as
> pathe<snip>
No, David Cohen, man of humor! Though I respect your typically
levelheaded replies as well as find great amusement in your genuinely
keen sense of merriment, you are incredibly incorrect on this count.
Brink is the one who comes across as pathetic.
Am I misinterpreting Brink's words in some manner? I don't believe so.
Brink wrote what I included above. And, though I snipped this bit, I
assume you read these words as well...
"Dorian believes in brief intense workouts vs the very high volume
pumping workouts that were more common when he came on the scene that
are now mostly out of favor now. OK, so the conversation we had took
place at 3am in a "mens club" in Vegas, but that's does not change
what he said! :-)"
Dorian believes in brief workouts. Thanks for that news flash, Will.
Anyone interested in bb'ing knows that. Still, for those who didn't, so
far so good to Will. Likewise high volume pumping workouts being in
vogue back in the day? Stop the presses, Will Brink, man of mus, wait,
*man boobs* reveals that high volume pumping workouts were incredibly
popular back in the day! Be still my heart, this great man has done so
much for this sport. Thank you, Will Brink, thank you. But, yes, yes,
yes, Cohen, Brink didn't hurt anyone by offering that info. Someone
reading might even be unfamiliar with that "news".
Here's the disingenuous part, in my eyes, was Brink interviewing Dorian
or just having a friendly conversation? Would Dorian have said Mike
Mentzer was full of shit for publication in, say, Flex or MuscleMag?
Maybe so. Yates would have been wrong then, too. But I don't think
that's the case. I think the post was Brink grandstanding at the
expense of a man unable to defend himself. The post was Brink
disrespecting a Mr. Olympia competitor and someone who was - at the
very least - as "well known and respected" in the world of bodybuilding
as Brink. There's a survey for the next issue of Flex! Have you heard
of Will Brink? Have you heard of Mike Mentzer?
Mentzer may have exaggerated, even stepped on the line of mistruth, but
he still deserves the respect of a bodybuilding legend. Brink is not
that. Brink is not /all/ that. Brink was out of line. I'm tossing KING
a treat, but giving you the raspberries.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Pez D Spencer" <> excuse me, mentzer placed fifth.
> >
>
> That was just Joe Weider screwing him over because he complained bitterly
> about Arnold signing up the day before the event.
>
> If you don't believe me, go to your job and complain about something that
> your boss has done. Make sure to complain very angrily in front of your boss
> and all the other employees. See how fast you get terminated.
Stop with the fucking Joe Weider conspiracy bullshit. Joe Weider barely knows
who is who in the contests, let alone could he "fix" them. This crap has been
perpetuated for YEARS.
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Curt James" <what you don't realize is that you made *yourself* an ass
> rather than ripping Mike a new one. Just a guess, of course. >>
>
> Wrong guess, dickbrain. Mentzer had been attacking the IFBB & Flex, and they
> printed my letter along with some editorial remarks along the lines of "Hey
> Mike, why not prove it on the competition stage?"
>
> > How do you know that your letter pissed him off? Did he reply directly?
> >
>
> He printed a portion of the letter on his Rants Page, and then did a rant
> about how the IFBB is fixed and he would never compete in it again, blah,
> blah, blah, along with some remarks about what he thought of the particular
> imaginary person that had sent him the letter. He mentioned coming to
> Florida to kick my ass. If I had known he had bad kidneys I would have sent
> him my real name and address.
>
> It was fun to see him get slammed in Flex. My letter seemed to get the ball
> rolling and for several months others kept sending in letters slamming
> Mentzer (with an occasional defense printed, just so Flex could say "We got
> 75 letters slamming Mentzer, and 5 letters defending him, here's one" and of
> course the only one they printed sounded like it was written by Bob Shue.
>
> Eventually Mentzer stopped talking about Flex & the IFBB, and Flex stopped
> printing letters that said all kinds of negative stuff about him.
This guy is a complete buffoon and a coward. The fact that you post here
anonymously and that you failed to put your name on the letter you claim you
wrote just goes to show what a pussy you are. You don't know a fucking thing
about bodybuilding, especially how contests are won and lost. The fact that you
are a believer of the "Joe Weider fixes contests" ideology throws more fuel on
the fire proving your ignorance and cowardice. Have you all noticed that this
pussy also tried to get all his Usenet comments to not be archived through
Google?? That is also proof of his cowardice.
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Curt James" <you're not saying that YOU are responsible for Arnold's legion
> of fans decrying Mentzer's (not so) sour grapes? Uh, grandiose much?
> >
>
> I am saying what I said. I used to subscribe to those magazines when I was
> much younger, so I read every page every month.
>
> Anyhow, I can see that there is no upside to any discussion involving you.
> While nearly all the other trolls except for TBR have some kind of upside,
> you are just some lame ass that only participates for the sake of drawing
> attention to your attempts at humor.
>
> I won't even go into a critique, as you don't rate one. Will Brinks can
> actually annoy me. However, you are just a waste of time. Perhaps if I did
> not know that you look like a wimpy little-dick fag I would take your
> remarks more seriously.
>
> At least Mike Mentzer could make a rant entertaining. On the months when he
> would do his rants, he was fun to read.
>
> You on the other hand, are just a dreary little pee-wee (no matter how you
> want to turn that around on me, your photos send a very clear message. Come
> out of the closet and stop pretending you don't like dick. Most people that
> are constantly pushing sarcasm are queer.
> http://www.baldsarcasm.com/2001/12/bald_gay_sarcasm_why_do.html
> Most sarcastic bald guys are gay.
It looks like our anonymous pussy is also a bigoted homophobe. What a fucking
walking twat. Butch up and post your name pussy.
Charles
I don't think the main thrust of anyone purportedly "trolling" Brink
has anything to do with his good standing (or otherwise) in the
"professional bodybuilding community".
The fact remains that Brink is an ill-educated oaf who attempts to
present himself as an intellectual, which only amplifies those
suspicions of his social inadequacy and it is thus Brink who "comes
across as pathetic".
Add to the above that he is also an unpleasant little prick who would
try the patience of a Saint, and it will be seen that "troll-like"
responses to him are almost inevitable, his "man boobs"
notwithstanding (they don't add to his credibility)!
Without wanting to be rude or unpleasant, I suggest that TROLL
DISENABLERMAN blows it out of his ample arse and lets Brink fight his
own battles. As I told Williams yesterday, if you want the "trolling"
to stop - then stop fucking "trolling", or those of us that have taken
a step back may be encouraged to renew our efforts!
Ganging up on people is bullying plain and simple, and I will take
Curt's side against he unGodly any day!
HTH!
Curt James
[...]
re Joe Weider and the following example
"If you don't believe me, go to your job and complain about something
that your boss has done. Make sure to complain very angrily in front of
your boss and all the other employees. See how fast you get
terminated."
> Stop with the fucking Joe Weider conspiracy bullshit. Joe Weider barely knows
> who is who in the contests, let alone could he "fix" them. This crap has been
> perpetuated for YEARS.
Oh, naive Robert Schuh, so eager to believe appearances. What'd
Nicholson say in that one movie? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
Mentzer? Joe Weider.
Iraq? Joe Weider.
Princess Diana? Joe Weider.
The Kennedys? Joe Weider.
Brink's height? Joe Weider.
Your kidney? Joe Weider.
My neck? Joe Weider. (Sorry, Williams, not you.)
9/11? Joe Weider.
Marilyn Monroe? Joe Weider.
Gerry Cooney knocking Ken Norton out in 54 seconds after I'd spent $30
on pay-per-view? Joe Weider.
Bill Grant's calves? Joe Weider.
Boyer Coe's abs? Joe Weider.
KING getting fleas? Joe Weider.
The guy in the passing lane doing 50 mph blocking everyone elses
progress? Joe Weider.
No bonus this year? Joe Weider.
Wife sleeping with the guy in Accounts Receivable? Joe Weider.
Leonard Part 6? Joe Weider.
Oh, yes, every item on that list may seem inexplicable, but, make no
mistake, Joe Weider's power and influence has had an almost divine hand
in each. It is not ours to wonder why! Joe knows. Joe is in control.
--
Curt <--- my real name
http://curtjames.com/ <--- an actual URL
Curt James
> <snip>"David Cohen"
> <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Will Brink wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
[...]
> >> Bullshit, e<snip>
[...]
> >No, KING. Back. St<snip>
[...]
> I don't think the main thrust of anyone purportedly "trolling" Brink
> has anything to do with his good standing (or otherwise) in the
> "professional bodybuilding community".
>
> The fact remains that Brink is an ill-educated oaf who attempts to
> present himself as an intellectual, which only amplifies those
> suspicions of his social inadequacy and it is thus Brink who "comes
> across as pathetic".
>
> Add to the above that he is also an unpleasant little prick who would
> try the patience of a Saint, and it will be seen that "troll-like"
> responses to him are almost inevitable, his "man boobs"
> notwithstanding (they don't add to his credibility)!
>
> Without wanting to be rude or unpleasant, I suggest that TROLL
> DISENABLERMAN blows it out of his ample arse and lets Brink fight his
> own battles. As I told Williams yesterday, if you want the "trolling"
> to stop - then stop fucking "trolling", or those of us that have taken
> a step back may be encouraged to renew our efforts!
>
> Ganging up on people is bullying plain and simple, and I will take
> Curt's side against he unGodly any day!
>
> HTH!
I'm picturing a pro wrestling-style battle royal with TROLL
DISENABLERMAN, KING, JMW (in a pink tutu), you, and yours truly
breaking tables and banging chairs over one another's heads. Arrrre
yoooooou ready to RRRRRRRRRRUMBLLLLLLLLLLE???!!!!
--
Curt
David Cohen
Charles wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Will Brink wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> <snip>I spoke with Dorian about that several times. He told
> >>> me he went to talk with Mike and see what he could learn,
> >>> did a workout, and went about his way with Mentzer claiming
> >>> he trained Yates and Yates followed his HIT system, etc. which
> >>> is nothing but BS.
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> Bullshit, eh? Kinda like you sharing a conversation you had with Dorian
> >> Yates about a man who's dead and therefore can obviously not defend
> >> himself? Because that sounds like BS to me.
> >>
> >> You're a piece of work, Brink.
> >
> >No, KING. Back. Stay.
> >
> >TROLL DISENABLERMAN will not interfere with you trolling Will, because he is
> >well known and respected within the professional bodybuilding community, and
> >your attempts to argue anything in that area with him comes across as
> >pathetic.
> >
> >TROLL DISENABLERMAN says "carry on".
> >
>
> I don't think the main thrust of anyone purportedly "trolling" Brink
> has anything to do with his good standing (or otherwise) in the
> "professional bodybuilding community".
Trolling has no purpose, other than the act of trolling itself. It is
an end in itself.
> The fact remains that Brink is an ill-educated oaf who attempts to
> present himself as an intellectual, which only amplifies those
> suspicions of his social inadequacy and it is thus Brink who "comes
> across as pathetic".
TROLL DISENABLERMAN disagrees.
> Add to the above that he is also an unpleasant little prick who would
> try the patience of a Saint, and it will be seen that "troll-like"
> responses to him are almost inevitable, his "man boobs"
> notwithstanding (they don't add to his credibility)!
TROLL DISENABLERMAN disagrees.
> Without wanting to be rude or unpleasant, I suggest that TROLL
> DISENABLERMAN blows it out of his ample arse and lets Brink fight his
> own battles. As I told Williams yesterday, if you want the "trolling"
> to stop - then stop fucking "trolling", or those of us that have taken
> a step back may be encouraged to renew our efforts!
TROLL DISENABLERMAN fights for Truth, Justice, and the
Unitedstatesofamerican Way.
> Ganging up on people is bullying plain and simple, and I will take
> Curt's side against he unGodly any day!
KING bites all who gang up.
> HTH!
No. It did not.
TROLL DISENABLERMAN
Curt James
[...]
> Trolling has no purpose, other than the act of trolling itself. It is
> an end in itself.
[...]
> TROLL DISENABLERMAN fights for Truth, Justice, and the
> Unitedstatesofamerican Way.
[...]
> KING bites all who gang up.
[...]
> TROLL DISENABLERMAN
B-b-but what if TROLL DISENABLERMAN has a w-weakness?! I fear some
skillful, diabolical, perhaps super-powered troll will find that
weakness!
Proceed with caution, TROLL DISENABLERMAN!
(admires TROLL DISENABLERMAN decoder/signal watch)
(thinks...)
"Charles would probably look cool in a cape. B-b-but these images in my
mind of John Williams in a pink tutu trouble me. I wonder what Kim
Basinger could do with a 'lasso of truth'."
--
Curt
Charles
wrote:
Is that why you are holding up your end for him?
>
>> The fact remains that Brink is an ill-educated oaf who attempts to
>> present himself as an intellectual, which only amplifies those
>> suspicions of his social inadequacy and it is thus Brink who "comes
>> across as pathetic".
>
>TROLL DISENABLERMAN disagrees.
Kindred spirits perhaps? Birds of a feather do apparently flock
together! Show us *your* tits! ;o)
>
>> Add to the above that he is also an unpleasant little prick who would
>> try the patience of a Saint, and it will be seen that "troll-like"
>> responses to him are almost inevitable, his "man boobs"
>> notwithstanding (they don't add to his credibility)!
>
>TROLL DISENABLERMAN disagrees.
Does that mean that you think that he is all sweetness and light, and
doesn't have "man boobs"? While your loyalty is commendable your
powers of observation are well fucked!
>
>> Without wanting to be rude or unpleasant, I suggest that TROLL
>> DISENABLERMAN blows it out of his ample arse and lets Brink fight his
>> own battles. As I told Williams yesterday, if you want the "trolling"
>> to stop - then stop fucking "trolling", or those of us that have taken
>> a step back may be encouraged to renew our efforts!
>
>TROLL DISENABLERMAN fights for Truth, Justice, and the
>Unitedstatesofamerican Way.
Let battle begin, for I too follow the paths of truth and
righteousness, and fight only for what is right in the eyes of the
Lord and those that seek freedom and justice for the downtrodden. Yea
verily!
Your mask, ill-fitting super-hero costume (shabby y-fronts), and
scabby dog will not prevail in the battle for the hearts and minds of
the oppressed. We have the Will to win, and he will always keep us
provided with ample ammunition.
You have an uphill battle on your hands mate!
>
>> Ganging up on people is bullying plain and simple, and I will take
>> Curt's side against he unGodly any day!
>
>KING bites all who gang up.
Fang you very much, but you'll need more muzzle than that!
>
>> HTH!
>
>No. It did not.
Well then please go and get fucked, and wank you hairy crutch for your
civilised response!
>
>TROLL DISENABLERMAN
Charles
"Troll" of The First Order by Decree
Charles
wrote:
The pen is mightier than the sword old friend...
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote:
She's a blond...
What do you think?
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Robert Schuh" <Butch up and post your name pussy.>
>
> Why don't you scan a copy of your driver's license to show that you are
> honest and have the guts to admit that you are African-American? While your
> black brothers have been toiling under the yoke of repression, you have been
> getting a free ride by passing for white.
>
> People in glass houses should not throw stones, and a black man who is
> passing for white should not be calling anyone out.
I love how you will do your best to dance around the issue. The black thing is
not even mildly amusing. My friends joke that maybe that is why I play the drums
so well, but I am as white as you get and have blue eyes. I now suggest you grow
some balls, address the issues and use your real name. The only real fact here
is that you are a shit talking coward who knows nothing about bodybuilding.
Robert Schuh
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Robert Schuh" < That is also proof of his cowardice.>
>
> Why don't you scan a copy of your driver's license to show that you are
> honest and have the guts to admit that you are African-American? While your
> black brothers have been toiling under the yoke of repression, you have been
> getting a free ride by passing for white.
>
> People in glass houses should not throw stones, and a black man who is
> passing for white should not be calling anyone a coward.
When are you going to address the issues? Pussy.
Curt James
[...]
re some idiot's quote
> > People in glass houses should not throw stones, and a black man
> > who is passing for white should not be calling anyone a coward.
>
> When are you going to address the issues?
Without uttering the t word, here, imo, is the difference between those
who "help" MFW and those who do "not help" MFW: Dialogue.
Robert Schuh, the person you're addressing is not seeking a dialogue.
He/She/It is not looking forward to a conversation between two or more
persons. They are not anticipating a lengthy thread of interesting
thoughts, jokes, gibes, or even vindictive insults to debate or pursue
to a constructive end.
Semantics, I know, but Rob, do not feed... those not seeking a
dialogue.
Hmm. Perhaps an acronym will work! Those Really Obviously...
Will have to work on that later.
> Pussy.
That's rather unfair to pussy, imo.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Pete
> Mike Mentzer died a few years ago after dedicating the first half of his
> life to getting the Mr. Olympia (and failing thanks to Arnold);
HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
We allready discussed this several weeks ago!
> and then the
> second half towards promoting his High Intensity Training philosophy.
> Did he or his brother leave behind any kids or a family? Were either or
> both
> of them gay?
And incestouas.
----
Pete
Vachon
You mean like homos?
Vachon
>
I have no frickin idea what John Little is. I just wondered how much of a
total frickin loser failure Mike Mentzer turned out to be, and apparently
his whole family tree is dead and his two friends are milking his legacy for
every penny they can get.
Mike Mentzer was a major frickin pussy who gave up after Arnold kicked his
ass. Apparently Mentzer could not even get his dick up to spawn any kids (if
he wasn't gay) and then died from the steroids he had sucked up in order NOT
to win the Mr. Olympia.
jamie...@gmail.com
> Mike Mentzer died a few years ago after dedicating the first half of his
>
> Did he or his brother leave behind any kids or a family? Were either or both
> of them gay?
