Bald Old Geezer Butches Up: Meet Report (Repost)
John M. Williams
appeared on Usenet, except on the native news server, since sometime
around March 21. No big deal ... except one. I didn't want it to
seem
like I was avoiding posting the meet results, which I had originally
posted on Saturday night, March 23, as follows:
No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
expectations: a four-digit total. These are the basics:
Meet: USAPL Battle of the Great Lakes (Macedonia, Ohio)
Age: 45 (Masters 2)
Weigh-In: 195 (90Kg Class)
Squat:
275
305
330
Bench:
300
-- [1]
-- [2]
Deadlift:
365
385
-- [3]
Total:
1015
[1] 320 went up ... barely. Unfortunately, so did my ass. It started
to stall, and I put every muscle in my upper body, including the
spinal erectors, into the lift. When I got off the bench, my lower
back was in painful spasms. I thought the meet might be over for me,
but some stretching, some time, and a little ice, made a lot of
difference.
[2] 320 started stalling again, and I resisted the temptation to lift
my ass. The bar resisted the temptation to go any higher. The head
judge, after a few seconds, told the spotters to take it. I guess I
should have called 315 for my second attempt. Live and learn.
[3] 405 barely got six inches off the ground. Shit.
Oddly enough, as pathetic as the squats were, they got three whites
every time. Nice and deep. As a result of all the horror stories in
MFW about getting red-lighted for high squats, I took them as low as I
could go. My knees may not forgive me, though.
My occasional training partner, Gary, had a bad experience. 400
opener on the squat. Red lights on first two attempts for not going
below parallel. Elzi and I finally convinced him to bottom out on the
third, and he made it. His first bench attempt at 360 was fairly
good, except he was so cranked that he jumped the "start" command.
His second attempt at 370 didn't pause at the chest. Elzi called a
"press" command on the third, but his left side failed on 380.
That saddest part was that he was disqualified from deadlifting due to
failures on all three bench press attempts. Particularly sad because
I have seen him DL 575 in the gym. This was a hard learning
experience for him.
All in all, I consider this good experience. My back, knees, and left
shoulder hurt, but I think they'll recover. I may do this again.
Note: If anyone wants to see photos, I can post some at my website.
In any event, I'll probably post videos of my first and second bench
press attempts on my Rusty Iron Videos web site as examples of the
subtle differences between "go" and "no-go" lifts.
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Bryce Lane
: Note: If anyone wants to see photos, I can post some at my website.
: In any event, I'll probably post videos of my first and second bench
: press attempts on my Rusty Iron Videos web site as examples of the
: subtle differences between "go" and "no-go" lifts.
Yes.
Bryce
: --
Keith Hobman
jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com (John M. Williams) wrote:
>
> Total:
> 1015
Congrats! The first meet the important thing is to get one - as your buddy
learned the hard way. Looks like you managed to keep the ego under
control. Great job!
>
> [1] 320 went up ... barely. Unfortunately, so did my ass. It started
> to stall, and I put every muscle in my upper body, including the
> spinal erectors, into the lift. When I got off the bench, my lower
> back was in painful spasms. I thought the meet might be over for me,
> but some stretching, some time, and a little ice, made a lot of
> difference.
I see this all the time. Beginners think the important thing is to lift
the weight. Huh-uh. The important thing is to get at least two white
lights. In order to do that you have to be disciplined. Sink the squats.
Pause the bench and keep the butt on the bench. Pull smoothly on the
deadlift - don't hitch.
Better to do as you did in the third attempt. Resist the temptation and
give yourself a chance to make the lift. Less painful too...
>
> [2] 320 started stalling again, and I resisted the temptation to lift
> my ass. The bar resisted the temptation to go any higher. The head
> judge, after a few seconds, told the spotters to take it. I guess I
> should have called 315 for my second attempt. Live and learn.
>
> [3] 405 barely got six inches off the ground. Shit.
You appear to be relatively strong in the upper body and weak in the legs
and lower back. You almost benched as much as you squatted and deadlifted.
The problem with this is that 2 of the 3 powerlifts depend more on the
lower body strength.
But it is an excellent result in the bench.
>
> Oddly enough, as pathetic as the squats were, they got three whites
> every time. Nice and deep. As a result of all the horror stories in
> MFW about getting red-lighted for high squats, I took them as low as I
> could go. My knees may not forgive me, though.
>
> My occasional training partner, Gary, had a bad experience. 400
> opener on the squat. Red lights on first two attempts for not going
> below parallel. Elzi and I finally convinced him to bottom out on the
> third, and he made it. His first bench attempt at 360 was fairly
> good, except he was so cranked that he jumped the "start" command.
> His second attempt at 370 didn't pause at the chest. Elzi called a
> "press" command on the third, but his left side failed on 380.
Especially with newbies the rule that if you don't make it you take it
again is a good one to follow.
>
> That saddest part was that he was disqualified from deadlifting due to
> failures on all three bench press attempts. Particularly sad because
> I have seen him DL 575 in the gym. This was a hard learning
> experience for him.
>
> All in all, I consider this good experience. My back, knees, and left
> shoulder hurt, but I think they'll recover. I may do this again.
>
> Note: If anyone wants to see photos, I can post some at my website.
> In any event, I'll probably post videos of my first and second bench
> press attempts on my Rusty Iron Videos web site as examples of the
> subtle differences between "go" and "no-go" lifts.
I suspect if your knees and shoulders hurt you should probably revisit
form for the powerlifting version of the squat and bench.
Anyhow, the important stuff.
1. You got a total.
2. You learnt a few things about yourself.
3. You didn't do any grievous damage to your body in the process.
Excellent!
--
Keith Hobman
"We who are about to squat, salute you!" (Lyle McDonald)
Bryce Lane
:
: 1. You got a total.
:
: 2. You learnt a few things about yourself.
:
: 3. You didn't do any grievous damage to your body in the process.
:
: Excellent!
#3 rules all!
It existentially cruel if you win something kinda major, your wife is
looking at you like a "studly throbbing power god" on the way back to the
room, and all you can think as you hobble feebly down the hall is "which
suitcase is the tylenol in".
Bryce
:
: --
Rob
this meet?
"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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Hoff
Pack up and come on down to Richmond in May. It's only 7 hours. Post-meet
refreshments are on me.
Later
Hoff
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Mistress Krista
"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> In any event, I'll probably post videos of my first and second bench
> press attempts on my Rusty Iron Videos web site as examples of the
> subtle differences between "go" and "no-go" lifts.
Yes, would love to. Congrats.
Krista
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Top Sirloin
Williams) wrote:
>No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
>expectations: a four-digit total. These are the basics:
Good job John! I'm aiming for the same minimum as you - 1000lbs.
-Scott Johnson
"Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are
why they only open the top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen
Watson Davis
(John M. Williams) wrote:
>It appears that my Usenet posting from my usual news server have not
>appeared on Usenet, except on the native news server, since sometime
>around March 21. No big deal ... except one. I didn't want it to
>seem
>like I was avoiding posting the meet results, which I had originally
>posted on Saturday night, March 23, as follows:
>
>No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
>expectations: a four-digit total.
Congratulations, old one.
>These are the basics:
>
>Meet: USAPL Battle of the Great Lakes (Macedonia, Ohio)
>Age: 45 (Masters 2)
>Weigh-In: 195 (90Kg Class)
>
>Squat:
>275
>305
>330
>
>Bench:
>300
>-- [1]
>-- [2]
>
>Deadlift:
>365
>385
>-- [3]
>
>Total:
>1015
You just had to slightly out total me, didn't you?
Although, if I had gotten 300# on my bench press, I would bestride you
like a colossus of yore. ($1 to Hags.)
>
>[1] 320 went up ... barely. Unfortunately, so did my ass. It started
>to stall, and I put every muscle in my upper body, including the
>spinal erectors, into the lift. When I got off the bench, my lower
>back was in painful spasms. I thought the meet might be over for me,
>but some stretching, some time, and a little ice, made a lot of
>difference.
I felt so cheated when I lifted the weight and was disqualified for 10
different reasons. I LIFTED THE DAMN WEIGHT!
>
>[3] 405 barely got six inches off the ground. Shit.
>
>Oddly enough, as pathetic as the squats were, they got three whites
>every time. Nice and deep. As a result of all the horror stories in
>MFW about getting red-lighted for high squats, I took them as low as I
>could go. My knees may not forgive me, though.
>
>My occasional training partner, Gary, had a bad experience. 400
>opener on the squat. Red lights on first two attempts for not going
>below parallel. Elzi and I finally convinced him to bottom out on the
>third, and he made it. His first bench attempt at 360 was fairly
>good, except he was so cranked that he jumped the "start" command.
>His second attempt at 370 didn't pause at the chest. Elzi called a
>"press" command on the third, but his left side failed on 380.
>
>That saddest part was that he was disqualified from deadlifting due to
>failures on all three bench press attempts. Particularly sad because
>I have seen him DL 575 in the gym. This was a hard learning
>experience for him.
Yep. Happens all the time.
>
>All in all, I consider this good experience. My back, knees, and left
>shoulder hurt, but I think they'll recover. I may do this again.
It's addictive. Now if I could just stay healthy...
>
>Note: If anyone wants to see photos, I can post some at my website.
>In any event, I'll probably post videos of my first and second bench
>press attempts on my Rusty Iron Videos web site as examples of the
>subtle differences between "go" and "no-go" lifts.
Of course we wanna see 'em!
Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
Lester Long
Good work.
Lester
"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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Lisa
>
> No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
> expectations: a four-digit total.
That seems pretty fookin' butched up to me!
Congratulations on meeting your goals and remaining (essentially) uninjured.
> Note: If anyone wants to see photos, I can post some at my website.
> In any event, I'll probably post videos
My slow connection and I vote for some good ol' primitive JPEGs.
Thanks.
---
Lisa
condolences to Gary
John M. Williams
>
>I see this all the time. Beginners think the important thing is to lift
>the weight. Huh-uh. The important thing is to get at least two white
>lights. In order to do that you have to be disciplined. Sink the squats.
>Pause the bench and keep the butt on the bench. Pull smoothly on the
>deadlift - don't hitch.
The meet was first time I really saw some folks "hitching" a deadlift.
Not a problem for me. My biggest problem is tissue damage in the
lower back, which hurts most at the beginning of the lift. If I'm
gonna fail, I'll fail early in the lift.
>You appear to be relatively strong in the upper body and weak in the legs
>and lower back. You almost benched as much as you squatted and deadlifted.
>The problem with this is that 2 of the 3 powerlifts depend more on the
>lower body strength.
While I agree wholeheartedly with your observations, I must again
note that personal characteristics will always control one's best
lifts. Guys like you and Jason Burnell will always be squatters.
Guys like Bob Mann and I will always be bench-pressers. Each
of us can, and should, improve our weaker lifts, but it is unlikely
that we will ever close the gap and have highly-competitive lifts
in all categories. Nor should any of us sacrifice concentrating
on our best lifts in order to put all our emphasis on improving
our weaker lifts. Naturally, the squatters will always have higher
totals in a three-lift meet, but that is one of the primary reasons
that many meets also have bench-press-only competitions.
I may enter a bench-press competition later in the year, hopefully
in the 181 weight class. I may be somewhat competitive in that
class if I can improve my strength and form. By the same token,
I am hooked on three-lift meets, so I will continue to work on
the squat. My deadlift will naturally improve, since my main
problem is "craning" with my back due to lesser strength in my
legs.
>I suspect if your knees and shoulders hurt you should probably revisit
>form for the powerlifting version of the squat and bench.
I could always use better form, but that will not resolve the pain in
the shoulders, knees, and lower back. There is pre-existing damage
for all of them, and some of it is decades old. The fact that I could
bench press competitively is rather surprising after my 1RM bench
press dipped below 225 a couple of years when the impingement in the
left shoulder appeared. Before that, my bench press was almost as
strong as it is now. It took a lot of experimentation to train for
that lift again, and high repetitions are out of the question, even
with very light weights, because the supraspinatus tendon starts to
swell from the repetitive irritation.
I should note that I love the bench shirt for two reasons: not only
does it add some poundage, but it also saves me lot of shoulder pain!
--
John M. Williams jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
Bob Mann
(John M. Williams) wrote:
>It appears that my Usenet posting from my usual news server have not
>appeared on Usenet, except on the native news server, since sometime
>around March 21. No big deal ... except one. I didn't want it to
>seem
>like I was avoiding posting the meet results, which I had originally
>posted on Saturday night, March 23, as follows:
>
>No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
>expectations: a four-digit total. These are the basics:
>
Butched up is butched up. How much doesn't matter.
Welcome to the butched up geezers club and the over 1000 club.
--
Bob Mann
http://members.shaw.ca/bobmann
"Without pain there is no gain.
Without pain there is no glory"
-Geoff Capes
John M. Williams
>Congrats! What type of training program were you following to get ready for
>this meet?
Lots bench-pressing, squatting, and deadlifting, and plenty of eating.
;)
I did need to drop about eight or ten pounds in the last six days
before the meet, but I managed to do it without starvation or
dehydration.
If you want to know exact parameters of what little "program" there
really was, I'll tell you specific details, but there wasn't (and
probably never will be) any fixed, unified scheme.
--
John M. Williams jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
Rob
> "Rob" <liftalo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Congrats! What type of training program were you following to get ready
for
> >this meet?
>
> Lots bench-pressing, squatting, and deadlifting, and plenty of eating.
> ;)
>
> I did need to drop about eight or ten pounds in the last six days
> before the meet, but I managed to do it without starvation or
> dehydration.
>
> If you want to know exact parameters of what little "program" there
> really was, I'll tell you specific details, but there wasn't (and
> probably never will be) any fixed, unified scheme.
> --
Gotcha. I was wondering if you used something closer to a canned routine
(like Korte et al) or if it was a custom job, esp for the bench. Since I'm
on the mend I've been looking at different approaches to training so that
when I do get back to where I was I can jump in the competition arena...
Well maybe not jump, but gracefully hobble...
Wayne S. Hill
> Total:
> 1015
Congrats!
> My occasional training partner, Gary, had a bad experience.
<snip story>
That was not a bad experience <TM>. That was a learning
experience <TM>. It was too bad, and all, but I was ready to read
about a serious injury and was pleased to find that that was not
the case.
-Wayne
Jon P
congratulations!
By the way, where's Macedonia, Ohio? I've noticed a couple of meets in
Springfield, OH coming up: an APA meet in May and a NASA meet in September.
--
Jon P
Tom W
A four digit total is nothing to sneeze at; one has to admire the
effort that was put into this.
Tom
PS - I take it things are going OK up there in Wayne County.
Used to live nearby; it is a very nice area.
"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in
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...
| No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my
minimum
| expectations: a four-digit total. These are the basics:
|
| Meet: USAPL Battle of the Great Lakes (Macedonia, Ohio)
| Age: 45 (Masters 2)
| Weigh-In: 195 (90Kg Class)
|
| Squat:
| 275
| 305
| 330
|
| Bench:
| 300
| -- [1]
| -- [2]
|
| Deadlift:
| 365
| 385
| -- [3]
|
| Total:
| 1015
|
...
ATP
"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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John M. Williams
Springfield is close to Dayton (Southwest Ohio), while Macedonia is
just southeast of Cleveland (North Coast). There were quite a few
Canadians there.
Bedford Heights is also a Cleveland suburb and it will host several
upcoming USAPL events:
Aug 24-25 USAPL Bench Press Nationals - Bedford Heights, Ohio
Dr. Larry Miller - 440-439-5464
Nov 23 USAPL 2002 Police and Fire Nationals - Bedford Heights,
Ohio
Ed/Frank King - 440-439-5464
Nov 24 USAPL Ohio Powerlifting & Bench Championships - Bedford
Heights, Ohio
Ed/Frank King - 440-439-5464
I doubt I have the juice for the Bench Press Nationals, but I'm
considering the Police & Fire Nationals. I checked last year, and
prosecutors do qualify for inclusion in that category.
--
John M. Williams jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
John M. Williams
>"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>> "Rob" <liftalo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Congrats! What type of training program were you following to get ready
>> >for this meet?
>>
>> Lots bench-pressing, squatting, and deadlifting, and plenty of eating.
>> ;)
>>
>> I did need to drop about eight or ten pounds in the last six days
>> before the meet, but I managed to do it without starvation or
>> dehydration.
>>
>> If you want to know exact parameters of what little "program" there
>> really was, I'll tell you specific details, but there wasn't (and
>> probably never will be) any fixed, unified scheme.
>> --
>
>Gotcha. I was wondering if you used something closer to a canned routine
>(like Korte et al) or if it was a custom job, esp for the bench.
The only "special" thing that I do for bench presses is maintaining
low repetitions, particularly in terms of cumulative repetitions.
Because of my rotator cuff impingement, the more repetitions I do, the
more times the supraspinatus must experience friction within its
subacromial pathway, regardless of the weight used. When it swells
enough that the movement starts to yield palpable pain, I'm done.
That means reaching my heaviest lifts with the minimum number of
preparatory reps. For instance, my last increase to a 1RM without a
bench shirt was like this:
225 X 2
250 X 1
275 X 1
295 X 1
I think most folks would have done more "warm-up." I can't afford it.
Even when I'm not attempting maximal lifts, I rarely go beyond six
reps on bench press or weighted dips. It seems to work well for me,
particularly after experimenting with several different rep schemes.
It may not be for everyone.
--
Rob
>
> The only "special" thing that I do for bench presses is maintaining
> low repetitions, particularly in terms of cumulative repetitions.
> Because of my rotator cuff impingement, the more repetitions I do, the
> more times the supraspinatus must experience friction within its
> subacromial pathway, regardless of the weight used. When it swells
> enough that the movement starts to yield palpable pain, I'm done.
> That means reaching my heaviest lifts with the minimum number of
> preparatory reps. For instance, my last increase to a 1RM without a
> bench shirt was like this:
>
> 225 X 2
> 250 X 1
> 275 X 1
> 295 X 1
>
> I think most folks would have done more "warm-up." I can't afford it.
>
> Even when I'm not attempting maximal lifts, I rarely go beyond six
> reps on bench press or weighted dips. It seems to work well for me,
> particularly after experimenting with several different rep schemes.
> It may not be for everyone.
> --
>
> John M. Williams jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
> ------- http://www.enforcergraphics.f2s.com --------
> ------ Partnership for an Idiot-Free America -------
That makes sense, I'm sort of stuck at the same rep scheme but for different
reasons, for me it's a cracked ulna at the wrist (left). My last attempt at
225#s (10 days ago) made me cry a wee bit. It's been 9 weeks since it's
happened so I imagine it's just a matter of me realizing that I don't heal
that rapidly.
Stephen Mulholland
<snip>
Fine butching, there, Bald Eagle. Congratulations!
Stephen
CJF.
C. Jeff Finlayson
John M. Williams
>Good job John! Good lifting ... for an old guy, not. ;)
OLD GUYZ ROOL!!!!
... or something.
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Seth Breidbart
John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>No, I didn't butch up "big time." Just enough to meet my minimum
>expectations: a four-digit total.
Cool. Another half-tonner. Congratulations.
Seth
--
Note to self: a powerlifting meet is not a recommended taper
for a track event. --Ted K.
Seth Breidbart
Bryce Lane <joand...@attbi.com> wrote:
>: Anyhow, the important stuff.
>: 3. You didn't do any grievous damage to your body in the process.
>:
>: Excellent!
>
>#3 rules all!
>
>It existentially cruel if you win something kinda major, your wife is
>looking at you like a "studly throbbing power god" on the way back to the
>room, and all you can think as you hobble feebly down the hall is "which
>suitcase is the tylenol in".
It's even crueller if you damage yourself similarly winning nothing
anybody (including you) cares about.
Seth
--
If most people put half the fucking effort into working that they do
into pissing and moaning, the world would not be so full of pathetic
underachievers. -- Eric Midkiff
Seth Breidbart
John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>The meet was first time I really saw some folks "hitching" a deadlift.
What does that mean?
>I could always use better form, but that will not resolve the pain in
>the shoulders, knees, and lower back. There is pre-existing damage
>for all of them, and some of it is decades old. The fact that I could
>bench press competitively is rather surprising after my 1RM bench
>press dipped below 225 a couple of years when the impingement in the
>left shoulder appeared. Before that, my bench press was almost as
>strong as it is now. It took a lot of experimentation to train for
>that lift again, and high repetitions are out of the question, even
>with very light weights, because the supraspinatus tendon starts to
>swell from the repetitive irritation.
Can you get anything done about the impingement? (Do you want to?)
I've had surgery in both shoulders for impingement, but I suspect mine
was worse than yours (pretty constant pain, and the tendon was frayed;
eventually it would have torn).
Seth
--
The only difference between this place and hell is that a lot of the people
I would like to meet are in hell and I don't see so many here. -- Bryce Lane
Bryce Lane
"Seth Breidbart" <se...@panix.com> wrote in message
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: In article <8BKn8.50274$V9.13...@typhoon1.we.ipsvc.net>,
: Bryce Lane <joand...@attbi.com> wrote:
: >: Anyhow, the important stuff.
:
: >: 3. You didn't do any grievous damage to your body in the process.
: >:
: >: Excellent!
: >
: >#3 rules all!
: >
: >It existentially cruel if you win something kinda major, your wife is
: >looking at you like a "studly throbbing power god" on the way back to the
: >room, and all you can think as you hobble feebly down the hall is "which
: >suitcase is the tylenol in".
:
: It's even crueller if you damage yourself similarly winning nothing
: anybody (including you) cares about.
I'm not sure I understand.
Bryce
:
: Seth
CJF
Seth Breidbart wrote:
> John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> >The meet was first time I really saw some folks "hitching" a deadlift.
>
> What does that mean?
Hitching is doing a slight up and down gyration with the bar stopped on
the thighs. Any detected downward movement means a bad lift.
Jeff out ...
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from song 'Something For Nothing' by Rush
John M. Williams
>
>Seth Breidbart wrote:
>> John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The meet was first time I really saw some folks "hitching" a deadlift.
>>
>> What does that mean?
>
>Hitching is doing a slight up and down gyration with the bar stopped on
>the thighs. Any detected downward movement means a bad lift.
Actually, it isn't so much any downward movement. It's allowing the
bar to rest on the thighs and then shoving forward with the hips to
"hitch" the bar up.
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CJF
"John M. Williams" wrote:
> CJF <fnla...@hiwaaay.net> wrote:
> >Seth Breidbart wrote:
> >> John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The meet was first time I really saw some folks "hitching" a deadlift.
> >>
> >> What does that mean?
> >
> >Hitching is doing a slight up and down gyration with the bar stopped on
> >the thighs. Any detected downward movement means a bad lift.
>
> Actually, it isn't so much any downward movement. It's allowing the
> bar to rest on the thighs and then shoving forward with the hips to
> "hitch" the bar up.
That's correct. The downward movement is something else.
> --
> John M. Williams jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
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Jim
"CJF" <fnla...@hiwaaay.net> wrote in message
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> "You won't get wise with the sleep still in your eyes"
> from song 'Something For Nothing' by Rush
>
God..I love Rush..Probably the most underrated band that made it big. Too
good to be relegated to a "classic rock and roll band." They are touring
this summer..Peart,Lifeson and Lee.
Rob
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I could never get into them. I sort of rank them up there with the other
Canadian exports...
Loverboy
Nick Gilder
Aldo Nova
The Stampeders
Although Stepenwolf and The Guess Who are pretty damned good.
Rob
Jim
"Rob" <liftal....@aolalot.com.> wrote in message
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You must be fucking joking! Oh,well..to each his own. :)
Rob
I could never get into Fucking Joking either hehe.
Rob
Jim
No,dammit..I'm Fucking Serious..you must have only heard the Top 40 Rush.
Rush was a phenomeonally(sp) excellent band. To compare them with those 80's
tight pants groups you mentioned is just really wrong.
Rob
Nah. As you said, to each their own. They don't sound good to me and I
don't like their lyrics. But that's just me..
Rob
Lester Long
Top 40 Rush has nothing to be ashamed of. Commercial success need not
negate artistic/musical virtuosity, despite the lyrics to "The Spirit of
Radio".
Regards,
Lester
Jim
"Lester Long" <lo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Indeed..Hey..I like that song too. Rush had great lyrics(they got a bit
funny with that gay rights song a few years back) But..oh..why bother...fuck
you everyone...The Osbournes is on. ;)
CJF
> > > from song 'Something For Nothing' by Rush
> > >
> >
> > God..I love Rush..Probably the most underrated band that made it big. Too
> > good to be relegated to a "classic rock and roll band." They are touring
> > this summer..Peart,Lifeson and Lee.
>
> I could never get into them. I sort of rank them up there with the other
> Canadian exports...
-- From the people I've know, either people love Rush or dislike them.
> Loverboy
> Nick Gilder
> Aldo Nova
> The Stampeders
-- Never heard of the last 3. Loverboy was OK but that's it.
> Although Stepenwolf and The Guess Who are pretty damned good.
-- These two are good.
> Rob
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Seth Breidbart
Bryce Lane <joand...@attbi.com> wrote:
>"Seth Breidbart" <se...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>: In article <8BKn8.50274$V9.13...@typhoon1.we.ipsvc.net>,
>: Bryce Lane <joand...@attbi.com> wrote:
>: >It existentially cruel if you win something kinda major, your wife is
>: >looking at you like a "studly throbbing power god" on the way back to the
>: >room, and all you can think as you hobble feebly down the hall is "which
>: >suitcase is the tylenol in".
>:
>: It's even crueller if you damage yourself similarly winning nothing
>: anybody (including you) cares about.
>
>I'm not sure I understand.
Consider how many athletes would be willing to trade crippling
themselves for winning a gold medal at the Olympics.
Or, consider a baseball player who tears up his leg sliding into home
plate, scoring the winning run in the final game of the World Series.
Compare with the baseball player who tears up his leg sliding into
second during a pre-season exhibition game, and the next batter
strikes out to end the game.
Bob Mann
>Compare with the baseball player who tears up his leg sliding into
>second during a pre-season exhibition game, and the next batter
>strikes out to end the game.
>
>Seth
Have you been watching me?
I have fucked up my leg twice sliding into second and at least one of
those times was for nothing more than individual competitiveness.
I took the throw from the plate in the top of my calf . I couldn't
straighten my leg for 5 weeks and I was on crutches for two of them.
The other time I broke a bone in my foot when I caught it on the bag.
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"Without pain there is no gain.
Without pain there is no glory"
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