Jeep Swenson
Polarbear
Is this really true? Is Jeep REALLY DEAD???????? You can't believe
everything you read.
Al Bardo
On 26 Aug 1997 04:01:39 GMT, "Polarbear" <bsy...@ny.tds.net> wrote:
>Is this really true? Is Jeep REALLY DEAD???????? You can't believe
>everything you read.
>
Unfortunately, this rumor is true. Jeep died from massive heart
failure. His funeral is this Wednesday at Forest Lawn.
--
Al Bardo
Tim Fogarty
William Greene (william...@msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
> O.k., I don't follow pro-wrestling and so I've never heard of this person
> before. Was his excessive weight you describe fat or was he big
> muscularly?
From today's L.A. Times obits:
Jeep Swenson; Actor, Professional Wrestler and Bodybuilder
Jeep Swenson, 40, who played Poison Ivy's evil assistant Bane in this
year's movie "Batman and Robin." Swension, an internationally known
bodybuilder whose biceps were recorded in the Guinness Book of World
Records, had been a professional wrestler known as Jeep the Mercenary. He
returned to the ring last year as the Ultimate Solution on pay
television's WCW Monday Nitro program. At 6-feet-6 and 400 pounds,
Swenson needed little costuming for his role as Bane. His actual blood
vessels were outlined in ink for "batman" by the makeup experts at Warner
Bros. Born in San Antonio, Swenson also appeared in episodes of the
television series "Walker, Texas Ranger." His other films included "No
Holds Barred," "The Big Brawl" and "Bulletproof." On Aug. 18 in Los
Angeles of heart failure.
--
Tim Fogarty (fog...@netcom.com)
http://musclememory.com/fogarty
Dbol50
He was also in Over the Top with Sly Stallone. This was probably before
Swenson used roids--he looked much softer and smaller in that role.
JGarrDar
You wrote:
>> O.k., I don't follow pro-wrestling and so I've never heard of this person
> before. Was his excessive weight you describe fat or was he big
> muscularly?
A couple of months ago, Jeep entertained at a party actor James Caan threw
for his little boy. My girlfriend was there, and she said Jeep was huge --
but it looked like he was all muscle.
Anybody have any data, as far as life expectancy, on strength athletes? I
notice that some of the more famous 'strongmen' have kicked kind of early.
My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 -- he
thinks it's because they get too big, it's the "push and pull of lifting
all those weights in the gym -- it's bad for their hearts". My doc lifts
weights himself, but not much (skinny little arms). I think he may be full
of shit on that one. But maybe there is a danger in getting too big -- not
that I'll ever have to worry about it, shit. Any comments?
-- Joe
David Lucas
Alright then, much like the other muscles... yeesh, no need to be picky.
bion...@hotmail.com wrote in article <340593...@hotmail.com>...
> David Lucas wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I'm pretty sure that lifting weights is actually supposed to make
the
> > heart stronger in most cases. It has to work harder and therefore
adapts
> > by growing stronger much like muscles.
>
> Heart IS muscle...
>
> > At least thats what Arnold
> > Schwarzenegger said, but he could be full of shit too. Actually, come
to
> > think of it... he had a problem with his heart a while ago, but that
was
> > reported to be hereditary... bullshit or not? You be the judge.
>
William Greene
Al Bardo <alb...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jeep played the character "Bane" in the current "Batman and Robin"
> movie. While he did carry some fat, he also had a tremendous amount of
> muscle, though he was never ripped like a competitive bodybuilder. He
> was built like most of the bigger pro wrestlers.
So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually killed
himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
supposed to feel bad for him why?
bion...@hotmail.com
Dbol50
>Anybody have any data, as far as life expectancy, on strength athletes? I
>notice that some of the more famous 'strongmen' have kicked kind of early.
>My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 -- he
>thinks it's because they get too big, it's the "push and pull of lifting
>all those weights in the gym -- it's bad for their hearts". My doc lifts
>weights himself, but not much (skinny little arms). I think he may be full
>of shit on that one. But maybe there is a danger in getting too big -- not
>that I'll ever have to worry about it, shit. Any comments?
250-they have to be fast, so I doubt theirs is much different than avg.
Even fat O linemen are all pretty healthy unless they're roidheads.
John Wash
JGarrDar wrote:
> You wrote:
>
> >> O.k., I don't follow pro-wrestling and so I've never heard of this
> person
> > before. Was his excessive weight you describe fat or was he big
> > muscularly?
>
> Anybody have any data, as far as life expectancy, on strength
> athletes? I
> notice that some of the more famous 'strongmen' have kicked kind of
> early.
> My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 -- he
>
> thinks it's because they get too big, it's the "push and pull of
> lifting
> all those weights in the gym -- it's bad for their hearts". My doc
> lifts
> weights himself, but not much (skinny little arms). I think he may be
> full
> of shit on that one. But maybe there is a danger in getting too big
> -- not
> that I'll ever have to worry about it, shit. Any comments?
Bwahahaha! That's the funniest thing I've read all week! "Life
expectancy of 42." You kill me!
Who do you see? Dr. Seuss?
The next time he says something like that, laugh hysterically for five
seconds. Stop suddenly. Look him straight in the eye and say, "Oh.
Sorry. You're being serious." Punch him in the nose. Rinse and repeat.
Taking weight training advice from scrawny guys is like taking sex
advice from virgins. You can quote me on that.
Tim Fogarty
In <01bcb3d2$916bdac0$7e9d9e80@greenwd>
William Greene (william...@msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
> So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually killed
> himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened?
>
_We_ have no evidence that steroid use contributed to his death. Lots of
people die of heart attacks at age 40. His heart may have been damaged
by any number of factors at any time in his 40 years. We also don't know
what drugs he used over his life. Visual evidence suggests that he used
steroids, but its not uncommon for bodybuilders to also use stimulants
and other drugs.
> And I'm supposed to feel bad for him why?
Its useless to feel bad for someone who's dead. They aren't feeling
anything. Their dead. It is ok to feel something for the ones who loved
and/or depended on him.
We all make choices in our life. Some of our choices cost us greatly.
From speeding on wet pavement to having sex without a condom. Not too
many of us go out with the intent of killing ourselves, but certainly a
lot of people die due to some decision they themselves made sometime in
their life.
Robert Schuh
William Greene wrote:
>
> Al Bardo <alb...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > Jeep played the character "Bane" in the current "Batman and Robin"
> > movie. While he did carry some fat, he also had a tremendous amount of
> > muscle, though he was never ripped like a competitive bodybuilder. He
> > was built like most of the bigger pro wrestlers.
>
> supposed to feel bad for him why?
>
Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
Your blind obsession with being anti drug has your mind clouded. Why do
care aht other people are doing so badly? The bottom line is that a
human being died who many people loved and who had a family. Just being
semi compassionate would lead you to keep your fucking psychosis to
yourself. BTW, you don't have a fucking clue what killed him anyway. Did
YOU do the autopsy? Are YOU a family member who the doctors spoke to? To
make that type of sweeping generalization is like reading the obituary
of a black man and saying, "Oh that fucking spade probably choked on a
watermeon seed and dies. Why should I feel badly for him?" Your hatred
shows either way.
--
Robert Schuh
"There can be only one!"
Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
Robert Schuh
Dbol50 wrote:
>
> >Anybody have any data, as far as life expectancy, on strength athletes? I
> >notice that some of the more famous 'strongmen' have kicked kind of early.
> >My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 -- he
> >thinks it's because they get too big, it's the "push and pull of lifting
> >all those weights in the gym -- it's bad for their hearts". My doc lifts
> >weights himself, but not much (skinny little arms). I think he may be full
> >of shit on that one. But maybe there is a danger in getting too big -- not
> >that I'll ever have to worry about it, shit. Any comments?
>
> 250-they have to be fast, so I doubt theirs is much different than avg.
> Even fat O linemen are all pretty healthy unless they're roidheads.
Another brilliant comment from AOL asshole Dbol. Whay do you know about
the health of "roid heads" bung boy?
bion...@hotmail.com
David Lucas wrote:
>
> > David Lucas wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, I'm pretty sure that lifting weights is actually supposed to make
> the
> > > heart stronger in most cases. It has to work harder and therefore
> adapts
> > > by growing stronger much like muscles.
> >
> > Heart IS muscle...
> >
Well, sorry about that... I didn't mean to be offensive.
Lifting weights makes the heart stronger, if you compare to no exercise
at all. But I don't think it's the most efficient way to train your
heart. The best way would be aerobic training, like long-distance
running, swimming, bike, fast walking,... This will make your heart
stronger, much more than lifting weights. Maybe this is the problem
with heavy lifters or bodybuilders. They focus on gaining more and more
muscle mass, neglecting cardio because it's boring or because it will
lower their gains. Result: their heart is too weak for their body mass.
Just like very fat people. The higher your weight is, the more your
heart is sollicitated, and sometimes it can't follow your mass increase.
So I think it's a mistake to let down aerobic training. It's not only
useful to get rid of fat, it's also the best way to train your heart.
Lifting weights, OK, but don't forget you have a muscle you can't
see in the mirror or on pictures, but which is certainly the most
important of all if you want to live a little bit more...
Nico
David Lucas
Tim Fogarty <fog...@netcom.com> wrote in article
<fogartyE...@netcom.com>...
> Its useless to feel bad for someone who's dead. They aren't feeling
> anything. Their dead. It is ok to feel something for the ones who loved
> and/or depended on him.
>
> We all make choices in our life. Some of our choices cost us greatly.
> From speeding on wet pavement to having sex without a condom. Not too
> many of us go out with the intent of killing ourselves, but certainly a
> lot of people die due to some decision they themselves made sometime in
> their life.
>
>
> --
> Tim Fogarty (fog...@netcom.com)
> http://musclememory.com/fogarty
>
Wow, deep stuff. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
William Greene
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> William Greene wrote:
> >
> > So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually
killed
> > himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
> > supposed to feel bad for him why?
> >
>
> Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
> or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
> all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
> that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
You're right, Rob, my comment was a little harsh. The difference is that
many people die each year from eating shitty food simply because they're
ignorant of the fact they're eating shitty food. If Mr. Swenson was truly
ignorant of what he was doing to himself if (and I keep saying "if"), in
fact, it was the growth drugs that did him in, then the greatest tragedy is
that ignorance and the misinformation that led to that ignorance.
BTW, whatever happened to Mr. Libertarian. You live you life, you live (or
don't) with the consequences. He made his decisions, so be it. No
apologies. No regrets. If you were true to your philosophy you'd just let
it go right there.
> Your blind obsession with being anti drug has your mind clouded. Why do
> care aht other people are doing so badly? The bottom line is that a
> human being died who many people loved and who had a family.
I do feel bad for his family. I feel for any family who losses a loved
one. I was directing my comment to him, not them. *If* it was the drugs
that killed him, just don't tell me what a loving and caring father.
Loving and caring fathers make sacrifices to do what is necessary to be
around for their children.
> Just being
> semi compassionate would lead you to keep your fucking psychosis to
> yourself. BTW, you don't have a fucking clue what killed him anyway. Did
> YOU do the autopsy? Are YOU a family member who the doctors spoke to? To
> make that type of sweeping generalization is like reading the obituary
> of a black man and saying, "Oh that fucking spade probably choked on a
> watermeon seed and dies. Why should I feel badly for him?" Your hatred
> shows either way.
Wow, you took a big leap there.
To quote a local expert, and your friend, Dan Duchaine: "die young, die
big, dianabol."
I have no hatred towards Mr. Swenson, towards you, or towards Mr. Duchaine
for that matter. It's just unfortunate that your own blindness on the
subject of drugs leads you to the immediate conclusion that his death
couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he was approaching
400 muscular pounds. I would hold the alternative position that those of
you who routinely promote drugs are personally culpable in Mr. Swenson's
death.
No Rob, a truly compassionate person, realizing that the dead are already
beyond help, would do everything they can to help prevent such tragedies in
the future. But you won't will you? I will.
Bil
John Wash
Robert Schuh wrote:
> Dbol50 wrote:
> >
> > >Anybody have any data, as far as life expectancy, on strength
> athletes? I
> > >notice that some of the more famous 'strongmen' have kicked kind of
> early.
> > >My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 --
> he
> > >[deletia]
> >
> > About the life expectancy of NFL linebackers-- most arent over 240
> or
> > 250-they have to be fast, so I doubt theirs is much different than
> avg.
> > Even fat O linemen are all pretty healthy unless they're roidheads.
>
> Another brilliant comment from AOL asshole Dbol. Whay do you know
> about
> the health of "roid heads" bung boy?
What I don't understand is, why would you call yourself "Dbol50" if you
didn't like steroid use?
Jesus Christ, doesn't anybody think for themselves any more? Or does
DARE do all of the thinking for the current generation of kids?
Al Bardo
>> So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually killed
>> himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
>> supposed to feel bad for him why?
>>
>
>Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
>or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
>all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
>that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
>Your blind obsession with being anti drug has your mind clouded. Why do
>care aht other people are doing so badly? The bottom line is that a
>human being died who many people loved and who had a family. Just being
>semi compassionate would lead you to keep your fucking psychosis to
>yourself. BTW, you don't have a fucking clue what killed him anyway. Did
>YOU do the autopsy? Are YOU a family member who the doctors spoke to? To
>make that type of sweeping generalization is like reading the obituary
>of a black man and saying, "Oh that fucking spade probably choked on a
>watermeon seed and dies. Why should I feel badly for him?" Your hatred
>shows either way.
>
>--
>Robert Schuh
>"There can be only one!"
>Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
Good points, Rob. I agree 100%.
--
Al Bardo
Al Bardo
On 28 Aug 1997 00:31:30 GMT, dbo...@aol.com (Dbol50) wrote:
>He was also in Over the Top with Sly Stallone. This was probably before
>Swenson used roids--he looked much softer and smaller in that role.
That wasn't Jeep. He didn't appear in that movie.
--
Al Bardo
Bill Roberts
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> William Greene wrote:
> > So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually killed
> > himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
> > supposed to feel bad for him why?
> Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
> or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
> all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
> that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
> Your blind obsession with being anti drug has your mind clouded. Why do
> care aht other people are doing so badly? The bottom line is that a
> human being died who many people loved and who had a family. Just being
> semi compassionate would lead you to keep your fucking psychosis to
> yourself. BTW, you don't have a fucking clue what killed him anyway. Did
> YOU do the autopsy? Are YOU a family member who the doctors spoke to? To
> make that type of sweeping generalization is like reading the obituary
> of a black man and saying, "Oh that fucking spade probably choked on a
> watermeon seed and dies. Why should I feel badly for him?" Your hatred
> shows either way.
I couldn't agree more, Rob.
I was going to write an answer to this -- Jeep left behind a young
daughter, he lost his own life at an early age, and Bil Greene figures
nothing is worth caring about, because he used drugs -- but I just had
nothing to say. You got the point across better than I would have.
But you know Bil Greene. He is going to answer back with some shit about
how he "just asked some questions" or something like that.
-- Bill
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William Greene
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Being a Libertarian does not mean that you need to uncompassioante.
> Granted, people do what they do and have to reep(bad spell) the rewards
> or pay the price. You can still have a heart.
Fine, I didn't say "fuck him, the loser." I just asked why I should find
his death so heart wrenching. If it was the drugs that killed him then I
think it's simply pathetic.
> > I have no hatred towards Mr. Swenson, towards you, or towards Mr.
Duchaine
> > for that matter. It's just unfortunate that your own blindness on the
> > subject of drugs leads you to the immediate conclusion that his death
> > couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he was
approaching
> > 400 muscular pounds.
>
> I did not say that drugs did not play a part in his death. I am saying
> that none of us knows for sure, so our speculation is bullshit.
> remember, you cast the first stone regarding this issue.
No, I asked a question. No stones have been thrown. No "I told you so's."
> Who promotes drugs? Not me. I just try to counter balance the extreme on
> the other side. I get probably 100 e mails each month from people asking
> questions about steroids and other similar compounds. I'll bet I tell
> 80% of them not to bother with them.
What do you tell the other 20%?
> I still believe that we all
> should have the right to make our own decisions without "Big Brother"
> looking over our shoulder.
Fine, reap what you sow. No apologies, no regrets. He's dead. Thems the
breaks.
> > No Rob, a truly compassionate person, realizing that the dead are
already
> > beyond help, would do everything they can to help prevent such
tragedies in
> > the future. But you won't will you? I will.
>
> What are you talking about Bil? What tragedies? Even if Jeep's death was
> 100% attributable to steroids, haw many cases are there like that? 1 or
> 2?
How many? Do you know? For sure? How many times has it been a
contributing factor perhaps years later? These are things we'll never know
because such statistics could never be compiled.
On the other hand, has anyone ever died from putting a cigarette in his
mouth? Nope. That's not the same thing as saying smoking is innocuous.
> I am sorry, but you would be serving society more by stopping shark
> or lightning attacks. Those are obscure killers but they are 100 times
> more prevelent thatn people dying from steroids. The bottom line is that
> anything you will do will be of no consequence as the facts are not with
> you. All you can promote is a kind of "Reefer Madness."
Go to Dejanews and find one instance where I have promoted "reefer
madness." I am not so stupid as to even try. I don't know shit about the
technical side of drugs. On the other hand, in many threads, you have
asked if anyone could point out just one example of someone dying from
drugs implying that no such thing could possibly occur. Well, *maybe*
here's one case where it did.
> As stupid as we
> may believe the masses to be, most are still samrt enough to know when
> people are lying to them. If you were to go into schools and tell kids
> that steroids are going to kill you, turn you into an aggressive
> murdering lunatic etc, they are going to blow you off. There are
> negative side effects to steroids, no one is contesting that, the issue
> is of relativity. You
> will not like this, but it still a good visualization. If you took the
> following:
> 100 Vit pills
> 100 Dianabol
> 100 Potassium pills
> 100 Aspirin
> 100 Tylenol
> 1 bottle of cough medicine with Dexthromathoraphane in it
>
> of all those, the only thing that would not kill you, ruin your liver or
> put you into the hospital would be the Dianabol.
I've seen this before. So what?
If I ate 40 lb. of beef at one sitting I'd probably be sick too. If I
drank a quart of vodka it would probably kill me. But if I swallowed a
penny I'd likely be all right. Does that mean that beef and vodka are
killers yet loose change should be a regular part of my diet? Nope.
Bil
Robert Schuh
William Greene wrote:
>
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > William Greene wrote:
> > >
> > > So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually
> killed
> > > himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
> > > supposed to feel bad for him why?
> > >
> >
> > Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
> > or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
> > all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
> > that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
>
> many people die each year from eating shitty food simply because they're
> ignorant of the fact they're eating shitty food. If Mr. Swenson was truly
> ignorant of what he was doing to himself if (and I keep saying "if"), in
> fact, it was the growth drugs that did him in, then the greatest tragedy is
> that ignorance and the misinformation that led to that ignorance.
>
> BTW, whatever happened to Mr. Libertarian. You live you life, you live (or
> don't) with the consequences. He made his decisions, so be it. No
> apologies. No regrets. If you were true to your philosophy you'd just let
> it go right there.
>
Granted, people do what they do and have to reep(bad spell) the rewards
or pay the price. You can still have a heart.
>
> > Just being
> > semi compassionate would lead you to keep your fucking psychosis to
> > yourself. BTW, you don't have a fucking clue what killed him anyway. Did
> > YOU do the autopsy? Are YOU a family member who the doctors spoke to? To
> > make that type of sweeping generalization is like reading the obituary
> > of a black man and saying, "Oh that fucking spade probably choked on a
> > watermeon seed and dies. Why should I feel badly for him?" Your hatred
> > shows either way.
>
> Wow, you took a big leap there.
Maybe
>
> To quote a local expert, and your friend, Dan Duchaine: "die young, die
> big, dianabol."
#1, that is not Dan's quote. He has used it tongue in cheek.
>
> I have no hatred towards Mr. Swenson, towards you, or towards Mr. Duchaine
> for that matter. It's just unfortunate that your own blindness on the
> subject of drugs leads you to the immediate conclusion that his death
> couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he was approaching
> 400 muscular pounds.
I did not say that drugs did not play a part in his death. I am saying
that none of us knows for sure, so our speculation is bullshit.
remember, you cast the first stone regarding this issue.
I would hold the alternative position that those of
> you who routinely promote drugs are personally culpable in Mr. Swenson's
> death.
Who promotes drugs? Not me. I just try to counter balance the extreme on
the other side. I get probably 100 e mails each month from people asking
questions about steroids and other similar compounds. I'll bet I tell
80% of them not to bother with them. I think it is silly for most people
to mess around with them now adays because of the new legalities, the
ridiculous expense of them now do to their being scheduled, high amount
of counterfeits and the health concerns. I still believe that we all
should have the right to make our own decisions without "Big Brother"
looking over our shoulder.
>
> No Rob, a truly compassionate person, realizing that the dead are already
> beyond help, would do everything they can to help prevent such tragedies in
> the future. But you won't will you? I will.
What are you talking about Bil? What tragedies? Even if Jeep's death was
100% attributable to steroids, haw many cases are there like that? 1 or
2? I am sorry, but you would be serving society more by stopping shark
or lightning attacks. Those are obscure killers but they are 100 times
more prevelent thatn people dying from steroids. The bottom line is that
anything you will do will be of no consequence as the facts are not with
you. All you can promote is a kind of "Reefer Madness." As stupid as we
may believe the masses to be, most are still samrt enough to know when
people are lying to them. If you were to go into schools and tell kids
that steroids are going to kill you, turn you into an aggressive
murdering lunatic etc, they are going to blow you off. There are
negative side effects to steroids, no one is contesting that, the issue
is of relativity. You
will not like this, but it still a good visualization. If you took the
following:
100 Vit pills
100 Dianabol
100 Potassium pills
100 Aspirin
100 Tylenol
1 bottle of cough medicine with Dexthromathoraphane in it
of all those, the only thing that would not kill you, ruin your liver or
put you into the hospital would be the Dianabol.
>
> Bil
William Greene
John Wash <jw...@tico.com> wrote:
> Better that people
> should know all of the facts and be encouraged to make their own
> decisions. People aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are, Bill.
> In fact, some of them are pretty darned smart, certainly smart enough to
> make educated choices about their health and well-being.
Yep, ol' Jeep there apparently made some really educated choices.
Oh well. Again, reap what you sow. So be it. Just stop your stupid
fuckin' whining.
> Yeah, give me a break. If you want to save more lives and are all hyped
> up on outlawing drugs, how about alcohol, for fuck's sake?
I'm sorry, I missed it. Where did I mention outlawing anything?
system RT
HELPFUL IMFO ON MY TRAINING. I AM A 230lbs MALE WITH 30% BODY FAT I
WORKOUT 4 DAYS A WEEK (WEIGHT LIFTING) I HAVE TRIED DIETING BUT I
HAVN'T FOUND THE RIGHT DIET YET. I WAN'T TO GET RID OF THE FAT....
HELP?
Steve Kidwell
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> William Greene wrote:
>> > So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually killed
>> > himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened? And I'm
>> > supposed to feel bad for him why?
>
>> Come on Bil! That type of comment is ridiculous. If your father, mother
>> or brother died from a heart attack brought upon by eating shit food for
>> all of their lives, would you also expect people to say, "well they knew
>> that they shouldn't eat bad food. Why should I feel badly for them?"
>
>I couldn't agree more, Rob.
>But you know Bil Greene. He is going to answer back with some shit about
>how he "just asked some questions" or something like that.
Greene is pretty slick on that phrasing statements as questions isn't
he? He should be a damn jeopardy contestant.
Anyway, here is my take. I feel horrible for the whole Swensen clan.
It is a tragedy when anyone dies who has family and friends who count
on them. The fact that his death was probably the result of years of
steroid use is of no importance in that instance.
However, it is sad to see everyone who is in favor of drug use try to
pawn it off on something else or blindly turn their heads and still
encourage drug use in sports or whatever.
I've seen many "Natural" proponents take the stance that "The guy got
what he deserved." Whether it be an arrest, hospitalization, death,
whatever. I think this is just as ignorant as the drug backers.
Nobody derserves to die for anabolic use, and I sure as hell hate to
see anyone arrested for something like that either. I mean lets face
it, people are just trying to be the best they can. Hell if steroids
were still legal, people would probably be suing the pharmaceutical
companies like they are breast implant makers and tobacco companies.
The problem with anabolics is that they have such an easy route to
abuse. Nobody does 1 cycle and quits like they planned. Come on drug
guys, you know you said it! ;-) They do one cycle gain 50 pounds on
their bench and maybe 20 pounds of bodyweight, but they still don't
look that much different. Then after they've been off a while and
start to less strength and weight and start smoothing out, they go
back on. Except this time, they up the dosages. This goes on for a
few years and then things are totally out of control. Guys are using
insulin, growth, clen, and every other compound on the planet to add a
little more muscle and get one more vein to show.
Then they are found dead in their shower like 1987 NPC Jr. USA
Light-heavy champ, Tony Alicea. That is why bodybuilding needs to be
drug free. The Brian Smiths, Tony Aliceas, and now Jeep Swensens.
Also you shouldn't have to be a criminal in order to compete in a
sport. It just doesn't make sense.
>
>-- Bill
>
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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Steve Kidwell, Natural Physique Systems
http://www.indiana.net/~thekid/phys.htm
Bill Roberts
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Greene, William e-mailed to wrob...@grove.ufl.edu:
Synopsis, since I do not repost e-mail: Greene whined about how I posted
objection to his condemnation of Jeep. He felt that I should not have
posted that, but should have e-mailed it, or posted it as a DIRECT
response to his post instead of Rob Schuh's (which still contained
Greene's post.) He says he is tired of being criticized by me talking
"about" him instead of "to" him. He finished up by saying that if Jeep
left a daughter behind, that was all the more reason to condemn the man.
Classic Bil Greene shit. This is my response, dealing first with the
e-mail vs. posting issue:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then what are you doing on a NEWSGROUP, you fucking idiot?
About the only time I ever mention you is in a post which QUOTES you. It
is also in response to you. Obviously you have the opportunity to read it
and respond. I challenge you to find any significant number of exceptions
(more than maybe twice when, discussing liberalism, or discussing people
who insist that one has said other than what one has written, I have done
so) where I supposedly badmouth you out of context. My posts are archived
on DejaNews. Document your case and post the results. If you have a case
and I am sure you do not, I will apologize publicly. IF.
Don't send me e-mail. You know this. You have mentioned your knowledge of
it in a post. Specifically, I had posted, to you, "Do not send me e-mail;
I have no use for you." If you have a complaint or criticism, or
interesting things to say, post them so everyone can read it. That's the
idea of a newsgroup.
You showed a total lack of human compassion and an appalling judgmental
and condeming attitude in the post in question. Now you're mad because
people have said so. Face it: you are that way.
-- Bill
PS I do not of course re-post e-mail. However,it is my prerogative to
post my response and I will do so. Fuck you.
Bill Roberts
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Steve Kidwell wrote:
>
> Anyway, here is my take. I feel horrible for the whole Swensen clan.
> It is a tragedy when anyone dies who has family and friends who count
> on them. The fact that his death was probably the result of years of
> steroid use is of no importance in that instance.
Exactly. It is a human tragedy and that is what matters.
> However, it is sad to see everyone who is in favor of drug use try to
> pawn it off on something else or blindly turn their heads and still
> encourage drug use in sports or whatever.
If people do this, it is sad. The risks of drug use should be, and usually
are, acknowledged. However, on the other hand, the risks of some drugs are
not nearly as high as is widely imagined, or as claimed by detractors who
are more anti-drug than they are scientists looking at the drug.
> I've seen many "Natural" proponents take the stance that "The guy got
> what he deserved." Whether it be an arrest, hospitalization, death,
> whatever. I think this is just as ignorant as the drug backers.
> Nobody derserves to die for anabolic use, and I sure as hell hate to
> see anyone arrested for something like that either. I mean lets face
> it, people are just trying to be the best they can.
And I think (I don't know, I wasn't there) that this was the case with
Jeep Swenson. He probably wasn't going to be offered a partnership in a
medical or law practice no matter what he did or how hard he might have
tried for such a thing. That kind of thing wasn't going to happen for him.
He was trying to build a successful life for himself and his daughter
using what gifts he had in what he thought was the best way he knew how.
It is tragic that, instead, an early death resulted.
> Hell if steroids were still legal, people would probably be suing the
> pharmaceutical companies like they are breast implant makers and tobacco
> companies.
Maybe but there are far, far fewer cases, and percentage of cases, with
anabolic steroids than with tobacco.
> The problem with anabolics is that they have such an easy route to
> abuse. Nobody does 1 cycle and quits like they planned. Come on drug
> guys, you know you said it! ;-) They do one cycle gain 50 pounds on
> their bench and maybe 20 pounds of bodyweight, but they still don't
> look that much different. Then after they've been off a while and
> start to less strength and weight and start smoothing out, they go
> back on. Except this time, they up the dosages. This goes on for a
> few years and then things are totally out of control. Guys are using
> insulin, growth, clen, and every other compound on the planet to add a
> little more muscle and get one more vein to show.
You're right; for the pro bodybuilder, or amateur who aspires to the
higher levels of amateur competition, one cycle is most probably not going
to be the only cycle.
> Then they are found dead in their shower like 1987 NPC Jr. USA
> Light-heavy champ, Tony Alicea. That is why bodybuilding needs to be
> drug free. The Brian Smiths, Tony Aliceas, and now Jeep Swensens.
> Also you shouldn't have to be a criminal in order to compete in a
> sport. It just doesn't make sense.
The only way to have drug free bodybuilding competition would be to have
frequent, random, unannounced drug testing throughout the year, anytime.
Testing only before (or after) the contest, and/or polygraph, just isn't
going to do it; but, we've discussed that before and it's getting kind of
off into another topic.
-- Bill
Bob Mann
system RT <todd...@network-one.com> wrote:
>I HAVE JUST GOT ONLINE
We can tell.
Know how?
Notice any difference between the way I'm posting compared to you?
> AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME
>HELPFUL IMFO ON MY TRAINING.
The bookstore.
>I AM A 230lbs MALE WITH 30% BODY FAT
That's not good.
> I
>WORKOUT 4 DAYS A WEEK (WEIGHT LIFTING) I HAVE TRIED DIETING BUT I
>HAVN'T FOUND THE RIGHT DIET YET. I WAN'T TO GET RID OF THE FAT....
>HELP?
Try as much as possible to eliminate saturated fats from your diet.
In their place use mono and poly unsaturated fats.
Preferably between 20-30% of caloric intake.
Take in less calories than you expend.
Your needs based on 161 lbs of lean mass are around 2700 per day.
Cut this to about 2200.
When working out don't waste energy on isolation type exercises.
Use compound exercises as intensly as possible.
Build your workouts around squats, deadlifts, bench press, rows, inclines,
military press etc.
Don't worry about things like flies, curls etc.
If it only works one muscle forget it.
For now at least, don't work out every day.
As your muscles grow, they will burn more calories.
This works through two pathways.
1. Mainly the repair and building of muscle burns calories continuously.
If you do not get enough rest the repair and growth is cut short.
2. Bigger engine, more gas consumption.
At least three times a week add in some moderate aerobic work, preferably
before breakfast or after weights for about half an hour.
Do it before you eat.
Don't expect the weight to just come falling right off, even if you are
doing everything right.
It will, and should, take a while.
Bob Mann
-------------------------------------------
The man who can drive himself further once the
effort becomes painful is the man who will win.
Roger Bannister
Bil & Tag
Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
> Don't send me e-mail. You know this. You have mentioned your knowledge of
> it in a post. Specifically, I had posted, to you, "Do not send me e-mail;
> I have no use for you." If you have a complaint or criticism, or
> interesting things to say, post them so everyone can read it. That's the
> idea of a newsgroup.
Don't get your panties in a wad you self-important little twit.
_____________________________________
"Bil & Tag"
a.k.a. William and Tracey Greene
Bil & Tag
Paul E. Harvey <astro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> That's the problem with this whole debate. Jeep was obviously using
> much more than steroids. To simply label anabolic steroids as the cause
> of his death, as some have done, is ignorant. There can be no denying
> the fact, however that the combination of drugs that Jeep was using was
> directly attributable to his death. The human heart can only be pushed
> so far. I think alot of today's top pros have done irreparable damage
> to their bodies. It might not show up right away, but it could be the
> difference between living to 50 or living to the ripe old age of 80 or
> older. I believe to each his own, but personally I'd like to be around
> on this planet a bit longer. A couple of tin trophies and worthless
> magazine covers just aren't worth it.
Very good post.
Robert Schuh
Bill Roberts wrote:
>
> On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Greene, William e-mailed to wrob...@grove.ufl.edu:
>
> Synopsis, since I do not repost e-mail: Greene whined about how I posted
> objection to his condemnation of Jeep. He felt that I should not have
> posted that, but should have e-mailed it, or posted it as a DIRECT
> response to his post instead of Rob Schuh's (which still contained
> Greene's post.) He says he is tired of being criticized by me talking
> "about" him instead of "to" him. He finished up by saying that if Jeep
> left a daughter behind, that was all the more reason to condemn the man.
> Classic Bil Greene shit. This is my response, dealing first with the
> e-mail vs. posting issue:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Then what are you doing on a NEWSGROUP, you fucking idiot?
>
> About the only time I ever mention you is in a post which QUOTES you. It
> is also in response to you. Obviously you have the opportunity to read it
> and respond. I challenge you to find any significant number of exceptions
> (more than maybe twice when, discussing liberalism, or discussing people
> who insist that one has said other than what one has written, I have done
> so) where I supposedly badmouth you out of context. My posts are archived
> on DejaNews. Document your case and post the results. If you have a case
> and I am sure you do not, I will apologize publicly. IF.
>
> it in a post. Specifically, I had posted, to you, "Do not send me e-mail;
> I have no use for you." If you have a complaint or criticism, or
> interesting things to say, post them so everyone can read it. That's the
> idea of a newsgroup.
>
> and condeming attitude in the post in question. Now you're mad because
> people have said so. Face it: you are that way.
>
> -- Bill
>
> PS I do not of course re-post e-mail. However,it is my prerogative to
> post my response and I will do so. Fuck you.
Bill,
I think it may be time to either kill file Greene or just ignore him. He
has no information to offer this newsgroup regarding training, diet or
drugs and just posts a bunch of mindless dribble coming from a mish mash
of sometimes far left and sometimes far right lunacy. He really ate shit
on his Jeep posting.
Robert Schuh
Bob Mann wrote:
>
> Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
>
> >> The problem with anabolics is that they have such an easy route to
> >> abuse. Nobody does 1 cycle and quits like they planned. Come on drug
> >> guys, you know you said it! ;-) They do one cycle gain 50 pounds on
> >> their bench and maybe 20 pounds of bodyweight, but they still don't
> >> look that much different. Then after they've been off a while and
> >> start to less strength and weight and start smoothing out, they go
> >> back on. Except this time, they up the dosages. This goes on for a
> >> few years and then things are totally out of control. Guys are using
> >> insulin, growth, clen, and every other compound on the planet to add a
> >> little more muscle and get one more vein to show.
Bill Roberts did not post this. This was from Steve Kidwell.
> >
> >You're right; for the pro bodybuilder, or amateur who aspires to the
> >higher levels of amateur competition, one cycle is most probably not going
> >to be the only cycle.
> >
> For many people looking to be just built, with no pretentions of ever being
> competetive on a grand scale one or two cycles like the one Henry Kuszinsky
> proposed would be enough.
I am still at a loss as to why people ever listened to this Henry K guy.
He did nothing but talk shit and had nothing to back up his statements
escept for, "it worked for me and my training partner."
> I imagine if I knew 20 years ago what I know now as far as what would do
> what and how little I would have progressed in all this time I might
> seriously considered doing one or two mild ski jump cycles.
> I can get up to about 175 lbs naturally.
> On my frame, another 20 lbs of lean muscle would make me look very built
> and would definitely be enough.
> I'm sure a lot of other guys, given the legal opportunity, would feel the
> same way.
> There is a whole world of difference between that and what it takes to be a
> pro in the IFBB these days.
>
> Bob Mann
> -------------------------------------------
> The man who can drive himself further once the
> effort becomes painful is the man who will win.
> Roger Bannister
--
Robert Schuh
"There can be only one!"
Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
Donate a kidney, save a life. ask me about it!
Bob Mann
Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
>> The problem with anabolics is that they have such an easy route to
>> abuse. Nobody does 1 cycle and quits like they planned. Come on drug
>> guys, you know you said it! ;-) They do one cycle gain 50 pounds on
>> their bench and maybe 20 pounds of bodyweight, but they still don't
>> look that much different. Then after they've been off a while and
>> start to less strength and weight and start smoothing out, they go
>> back on. Except this time, they up the dosages. This goes on for a
>> few years and then things are totally out of control. Guys are using
>> insulin, growth, clen, and every other compound on the planet to add a
>> little more muscle and get one more vein to show.
>
>You're right; for the pro bodybuilder, or amateur who aspires to the
>higher levels of amateur competition, one cycle is most probably not going
>to be the only cycle.
>
For many people looking to be just built, with no pretentions of ever being
competetive on a grand scale one or two cycles like the one Henry Kuszinsky
proposed would be enough.
Angela Pahlow
Bob, if that is not a canned reply, it should be.
>Bob Mann
>-------------------------------------------
>The man who can drive himself further once the
>effort becomes painful is the man who will win.
> Roger Bannister
Angela Pahlow
"girls kick ass!"
ang...@intelinex.net.or.vbe.com
To email me, you must choose. It matters not which!
Bill Roberts
> > of it in a post. Specifically, I had posted, to you, "Do not send me
> > e-mail; I have no use for you." If you have a complaint or criticism,
> > or interesting things to say, post them so everyone can read it. That's
> > the idea of a newsgroup.
> Don't get your panties in a wad you self-important little twit.
Perhaps Greene is unaware that sending e-mail to an address which has
specifically informed him not to do so is not only rude, and grounds
(with most ISP's) for cancellation of one's account, but is also illegal.
I'll let it slide this time, because -- unlike Crackers -- he isn't
a repeat offender. But Greene, be aware that I mean what I said: I have
no use for you. And I think few if any others on this newsgroup do either.
Bill Roberts
"William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> I would hold the alternative position that those of you who routinely
> promote drugs are personally culpable in Mr. Swenson's death.
No one ever said that Greene isn't a genius!
It's about time someone said it, though.
Steve Kidwell
On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:55:19 -0700, Robert Schuh
<rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Bob Mann wrote:
>>
>> Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >> The problem with anabolics is that they have such an easy route to
>> >> abuse. Nobody does 1 cycle and quits like they planned. Come on drug
>> >> guys, you know you said it! ;-) They do one cycle gain 50 pounds on
>> >> their bench and maybe 20 pounds of bodyweight, but they still don't
>> >> look that much different. Then after they've been off a while and
>> >> start to less strength and weight and start smoothing out, they go
>> >> back on. Except this time, they up the dosages. This goes on for a
>> >> few years and then things are totally out of control. Guys are using
>> >> insulin, growth, clen, and every other compound on the planet to add a
>> >> little more muscle and get one more vein to show.
>
>Bill Roberts did not post this. This was from Steve Kidwell.
>
>> >
>> >You're right; for the pro bodybuilder, or amateur who aspires to the
>> >higher levels of amateur competition, one cycle is most probably not going
>> >to be the only cycle.
>> >
>> For many people looking to be just built, with no pretentions of ever being
>> competetive on a grand scale one or two cycles like the one Henry Kuszinsky
>> proposed would be enough.
>
>I am still at a loss as to why people ever listened to this Henry K guy.
>He did nothing but talk shit and had nothing to back up his statements
>escept for, "it worked for me and my training partner."
>
Well, you can add me to your 'people at a loss' list. I have no idea
why some people automatically gave Henry so much credibility. I guess
it was because he had a funny last name. ;-) The posts I read of his
weren't all that great IMO. They were pretty much basic.
>--
>Robert Schuh
>"There can be only one!"
>Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
>Donate a kidney, save a life. ask me about it!
**************************************************************************
*"If liberals can't beat you, if they're losing on the issues, they do *
* one of two things. They either call you a bigot or a racist. Or they *
* sue you." *
* -J.C. Watts *
**************************************************************************
Matthew Sanchez
Who is this Jeep Swenson guy and does anyone have a pic of him?
Matthew A. Sanchez
Manhattan, New York
@eexi.gr ~
In article <340630...@ix.netcom.com>,
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Arnold had a valve problem. That would not be affected by steroids or
>weight training.
It can happen, albeit indirectly. Myocardiopathies can compromise the fibrous
ring that supports the four heart valves. Do we (can we?) know details of his
hemodynamic studies? If not, there is no way to tell for sure. Even if we
did, it still might have been a shaky association at best. And rest assured
that if a coverup was in order, it would have been well organized. Anyhow,
more power to him, he's a good guy.
Bob Mann
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Bob Mann wrote:
>>
>
>> For many people looking to be just built, with no pretentions of ever being
>> competetive on a grand scale one or two cycles like the one Henry Kuszinsky
>> proposed would be enough.
>
>I am still at a loss as to why people ever listened to this Henry K guy.
>He did nothing but talk shit and had nothing to back up his statements
>escept for, "it worked for me and my training partner."
>
I don't think what he proposed would work long term or get you into pro
shape.
I do think though that it would probably be enough for the guy looking to
do one or two cycles, max out his gains and minimize the possible side
effects.
I know I'm not qualified to really comment on the effectiveness but I have
seen similar cycles proposed for a first cycle.
Henry himself said he had only done the one cycle to try it out.
He did say he had success with others as well as him and his partner.
Lets face it, reading, experimentation on yourself and others and advice
from others is basically how you got your knowledge.
He is just stuck in a Saskatchewan backwater with few opportunities to
advance his ideas.
For the first timer, it ain't that bad a start.
PS hows the new (temporary) sig ? |3^)
------------------------------------
Phil McGroin
"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"
Kelly McMillan
> > > My doctor says that NFL linebackers have a life expectancy of 42 --
I think your doctor is full of shit. As a matter of fact it is my
opinion that the NFL is probably the largest example that steriods can't
be as "deadly" as some would like you to believe. The only death
attributed to steroids in football palyers is well known to be a media
hoax to prove a point (Alzado).
If you look at the average size of the players in the NFL now as opposed
to the 60's, I don't think anyone in the right mind can attribute the
phenominal growth to evolution or new training techniques.
There just aren't any football players dying from unexplained causes.
As a matter of fact there has been only one explayer to come out against
the use of steroids in the media in which he talks about the horrors he
has witnessed, and he claims to never have used them. That in itself
makes his story hard to believe.
It just seems too coincidental that all of these thousands of college
and pro athletes that we know have used and/or abused steroids aren't
dropping like flies if in fact steroids are as harmful as "they" claim.
Take cigarettes. We all know people who have smoked their intire lives
and died at a ripe old age of something unrelated to smoking. But,
there are enough dying from smoking attributable causes that we can't
deny that there is a corrolation.
When that starts happening with any frequency I'll start to belive that
steroids are killers. Big Mac
Serious Lifter, Ex-Gym owner, Guru of nothing
Glendale, Az
Michael Knapik
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<340928...@ix.netcom.com>...
> Bill Roberts wrote:
> >
<snip
> Bill,
> I think it may be time to either kill file Greene or just ignore him. He
> has no information to offer this newsgroup regarding training, diet or
> drugs and just posts a bunch of mindless dribble coming from a mish mash
> of sometimes far left and sometimes far right lunacy. He really ate shit
> on his Jeep posting.
>
Actually, because of his past and recent drivel, an AOM nomination wouldn't
be out of place, and I so nominate.
Jeff Amason
Bill Roberts wrote:
>
> Oh, there's no doubt! We haven't had an AOM in a long while; nobody was
> truly deserving. Only a true asshole should get AOM.
>
> But with his posts about how Jeep deserved to die, Greene looks like he
> might be a landslide winner for our Asshole of the Month.
>
> I vote yes also.
>
100% Bill, Greene truely showed his ass on THAT post.
Bil Greene, August AMO!!!!!
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Spam deflected for your protection.
(that means remove the *nospam*)
Bill Roberts
On 2 Sep 1997, Michael Knapik wrote:
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> > I think it may be time to either kill file Greene or just ignore him. He
> > has no information to offer this newsgroup regarding training, diet or
> > drugs and just posts a bunch of mindless dribble coming from a mish mash
> > of sometimes far left and sometimes far right lunacy. He really ate shit
> > on his Jeep posting.
> Actually, because of his past and recent drivel, an AOM nomination wouldn't
> be out of place, and I so nominate.
Oh, there's no doubt! We haven't had an AOM in a long while; nobody was
truly deserving. Only a true asshole should get AOM.
But with his posts about how Jeep deserved to die, Greene looks like he
might be a landslide winner for our Asshole of the Month.
I vote yes also.
-- Bill
William Greene
Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
>
> But with his posts about how Jeep deserved to die, Greene looks like he
> might be a landslide winner for our Asshole of the Month.
Listen closely you stupid motherfucking loser, I expressed apathy: "Why
should I care?" This is quite different than saying "he deserved to die."
I never said that nor did I imply it. Stop lying (if you can).
Bill Roberts
Greene retitled the subject to, "Bill Roberts is a worthless sack of
shit," or something like that, but I changed it back to the matter at
hand. Namely, the vote for August AOM . At this point, he is still the
only nominated candidate, and he has garnered some votes.
Let's take a look at a few quotes from your voluminous spewings
on this subject, none of which contradict these quotes:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: 1997/08/28
So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually
killed himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened?
And I'm supposed to feel bad for him why?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: 1997/08/29
Fine, reap what you sow. No apologies, no regrets. He's dead. Thems
the breaks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: 1997/08/29
Yep, ol' Jeep there apparently made some really educated choices.
Oh well. Again, reap what you sow. So be it. Just stop your stupid
fuckin' whining.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There you go, asshole. Your twisted "mind" probably actually believes
that these statements do not say that Jeep deserved to die, but
everyone else reads them that way.
Not to mention your (unwelcome) e-mail to me in which you stated that
Jeep should be "all the more condemned" because of what effect his
death will have on his daughter.
You're a cold hearted, self-righteous, complete asshole, as well as
a total cocksucker. Fuck you.
This is my last response to you. Guaranteed.
Bil & Tag
Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
> Let's take a look at a few quotes from your voluminous spewings
> on this subject, none of which contradict these quotes:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
> From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
> Date: 1997/08/28
>
> So he took drugs, got bigger and bigger, until he eventually
> killed himself. Is this an accurate description of what happened?
> And I'm supposed to feel bad for him why?
Apathy: lack of concern. Why should I care about *him*? Tell me. I
did not say he deserved to die, I asked why his "tragedy" should move me in
the least. He lived his life as he chose. If his death was attributible
to his drug use then this was not accidental usage, it was years of
conscious decisions. *His* conscious decisions.
You will also note that nowhere at all did I mention his family for whom I
later expressed my sympathies. Of course, you didn't cut and paste the
post in which I did that. But then, taking things out of context or
presenting only selected facts are always the last refuges of the scoundral
liar.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
> From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
> Date: 1997/08/29
>
> Fine, reap what you sow. No apologies, no regrets. He's dead. Thems
> the breaks.
Is this not what the merry band of drug using libertarians want? Do
whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. Fine, it is
then your responsibility to accept the consequences of your actions. Not
mine. You can't scream the mantra "my life, my body, leave me the fuck
alone" your whole life and then expect a pity party from me when you come
to realize that you're not an island unto yourself.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: Jeep Swenson
> From: "William Greene" <william...@msfc.nasa.gov>
> Date: 1997/08/29
>
> Yep, ol' Jeep there apparently made some really educated choices.
>
> Oh well. Again, reap what you sow. So be it. Just stop your stupid
> fuckin' whining.
Again, creative snipping. Very good work.
The quote just before this from John Wash was scolding me for recommending
the banning of and/or crackdown on bodybuilding drugs (which I didn't
suggest). John was making the point that a person making intellegent
decisions with drug usage should just be left alone.
The first line response quoted above was probably an unwarranted jab
taking advantage of the irony of John's words.
The second line is again the line that's been thrown at me over and over
here at m.f.w.: "My life, my body, my decisions." Either you believe that
or you don't.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There you go, asshole. Your twisted "mind" probably actually believes
> that these statements do not say that Jeep deserved to die, but
> everyone else reads them that way.
You *still* have not shown me where I said either that he deserved to die
or that his family deserved his death. I never presented anything which
suggests that I believe his death was proper or deserved. I only called
into question whose responsibility it was and after recognizing it was to a
large degree his, how it at all affected me.
Thus, you are still a liar.
> Not to mention your (unwelcome) e-mail to me in which you stated that
> Jeep should be "all the more condemned" because of what effect his
> death will have on his daughter.
"Unwelcome e-mail" You have got to be the biggest crybaby I have ever
seen. I have e-mail conversed with Rob Schuh, Bob Mann, Dave Wilson, Mike
Knapik, CLC, Krista Scott, Steve Kidwell, Mike Lane, "British Newbie", John
Williams, Larry Collins, and others. Sometimes contentiously, sometimes
friendly, sometimes at their provocation, sometimes at mine. Shoot, every
time Rob Schuh makes a post in response to one of mine, he dumps an e-mail
into my in-box (and his posts are always so pleasant ... I figure it's just
the way his server works). Yet after all of this you are the only person I
have ever seen who throws a full blown, 2-year-old temper tantrum over an
e-mail that took me 30-seconds to type. Grow up you self-important twit.
With regard to my comments about his daughter. My statement was that if
Mr. Swenson's actions did contribute to his early demise, thereby leaving
his daughter fatherless, then that is all the more reason to condemn his
actions. You could certainly make the argument that his actions were
intended to better is daughter's life and so his intentions were good, but
ultimately it must be said, if only for others to take note and learn, that
his actions were not in her best long-term interest (making the apparently
valid assumption that he was otherwise a loving father).
> This is my last response to you. Guaranteed.
Hah, sure, that's what you said before ...and then you went on lying. I
don't think you can help yourself. I nominate you, Bill Roberts, as Liar
of the Month (LOM). Congrats.
_____________________________________
Robert Schuh
Bil,
Do you not, at the very least, see a very hypocritical response on your
part regarding Jeep and then Princess Di? She got into a car with a guy
who was 4 times the legal limit for intoxication without a seat belt.
That is alot more reckless than ANYTHING Jeep ever did. I knew niether
of these people, but I am still saddened by their passing. There is no
reason to judge how either died. The bottom lind is that they are gone
and their families are going through hell. BTW, you never answered my
question regarding what your response would be if you had a family
member die from a heart attack caused by eating shitty food. Do they get
the same treatment that you gave Jeep?
--
Robert Schuh
"There can be only one!"
Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
William Greene
Robert Schuh <rschuh@ix.*NOSPAM*netcom.com> wrote:
> You may thhink that I am
> nuts, but I am not senile and I know what you said.
Nuts? No, you just spend too much time listening to Liar of the Month Bill
Roberts.
Baraka
>
> Bill,
> I think it may be time to either kill file Greene or just ignore him. He
> has no information to offer this newsgroup regarding training, diet or
> drugs and just posts a bunch of mindless dribble coming from a mish mash
> of sometimes far left and sometimes far right lunacy. He really ate shit
> on his Jeep posting.
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "There can be only one!"
> Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
>
I am relatively new here. Is this Greene one of those people who call gear
users without ever reading a word of text from the most holy bible
(Anabolic review 1996).
I do know of one 18 year old kid who joined our gym recently from another,
whose owner had him started on deca and dianabol from the start he started
out 9 stone wet through and has aparently gained two stone. This is no way
to go.
Gear should only be taken after a solid base of training has been achieved.
After all the best gains will be made at the beginning when new exercises
are being learnt and mind muscle control is being forged. When I started
gear I had already spent over 2 years in training and one in intense
training. Even this I believe could be too little but leaving it too long
is almost as bad especially if you are striving to achieve stupid size.
I know of several beach body builders (you know the ones who train biceps
and chest and are scared of hurting them selves by training legs) who take
gear for 6 weeks and train hard and then train like girls for the 6 weeks
before there next cycle.
But these are the types of people who say " I wouldn't want to look like
Dorian he is too big". They honestly believe they could achieve his
size.Dickheads!
Bil & Tag
Baraka <t...@timbremovethis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I am relatively new here. Is this Greene one of those people who call
gear
> users without ever reading a word of text from the most holy bible
> (Anabolic review 1996).
Well, I haven't the slightest idea what that sentence was supposed to mean.
Suffice it to say that I am Satan, Angel of Darkness, Lord of Evil, Ruler
of Hell. It is my goal to blacken the seas with the blood of my enemies,
to bring about the destruction of all civilization, to leave mankind berift
of hope for any salvation whatsoever. In short, I am your doom.
... I just thought I'd get it all out and out of the way. Billy Bob
Roberts would eventually say all of this anyway.
TimB
In article <01bcbad0$042db700$f994...@tag.HiWAAY.net>, Bil & Tag
<t...@hiwaay.net> writes
"Anabolic review 1996".
Which proves my point I think!
--
TimB
Bill Roberts
TimB <Baraka@timb#removethis#.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Bil & Tag <t...@hiwaay.net> writes
> >Baraka <t...@timbremovethis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I am relatively new here. Is this Greene one of those people who call
> >> gear users without ever reading a word of text from the most holy bible
> >> (Anabolic review 1996).
> > Well, I haven't the slightest idea what that sentence was supposed to
> > mean. Suffice it to say that I am Satan, Angel of Darkness, Lord of Evil,
> > Ruler of Hell. It is my goal to blacken the seas with the blood of my
> > enemies, to bring about the destruction of all civilization, to leave
> > mankind berift of hope for any salvation whatsoever. In short, I am your
> > doom.
> > ... I just thought I'd get it all out and out of the way. Billy Bob
> > Roberts would eventually say all of this anyway.
> >"Bil & Tag"
> I presume you didn't know I was refering to the steroid bible
> "Anabolic review 1996".
> Which proves my point I think!
It supports several points of several other persons as well, concerning
the ignorance, presumptiousness, and elevated self-importance of this
leading AOM candidate.
Unfortunately I get stuck reading this trash when someone else is posting
a response to it; on the index it appears under the respondent's name.
It wastes a little time but at least I wind up seeing that some things
never change.
Bil & Tag
--
_____________________________________
"Bil & Tag"
a.k.a. William and Tracey Greene
Seriously Bill, it was humor. I thought that would have been obvious. I
don't actually believe I'm Satan. I know for a fact that I am Julius
Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
Would you *please* just lighten up.
Robert Schuh
Bil & Tag wrote:
>
> Baraka <t...@timbremovethis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am relatively new here. Is this Greene one of those people who call
> gear
> > users without ever reading a word of text from the most holy bible
> > (Anabolic review 1996).
>
> Well, I haven't the slightest idea what that sentence was supposed to mean.
>
>
> Suffice it to say that I am Satan, Angel of Darkness, Lord of Evil, Ruler
> of Hell. It is my goal to blacken the seas with the blood of my enemies,
> to bring about the destruction of all civilization, to leave mankind berift
> of hope for any salvation whatsoever. In short, I am your doom.
>
> ... I just thought I'd get it all out and out of the way. Billy Bob
> Roberts would eventually say all of this anyway.
>
> "Bil & Tag"
> a.k.a. William and Tracey Greene
That was funny "Bil"!! I had no idea what 3/4 of what that guy had to
say meant. BTW, I think you left off being the cheese under Mike Lane's
Mother's nut sack!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
--
Robert Schuh
"There can be only one!"
Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
Robert Schuh
Bil & Tag wrote:
>
> --
> _____________________________________
> "Bil & Tag"
> a.k.a. William and Tracey Greene
>
> Bill Roberts <wrob...@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
> > TimB <Baraka@timb#removethis#.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Bil & Tag <t...@hiwaay.net> writes
> > > >Baraka <t...@timbremovethis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> I am relatively new here. Is this Greene one of those people who
> call
> > > >> gear users without ever reading a word of text from the most holy
> bible
> > > >> (Anabolic review 1996).
> >
> > > > Well, I haven't the slightest idea what that sentence was supposed to
> > > > mean. Suffice it to say that I am Satan, Angel of Darkness, Lord of
> Evil,
> > > > Ruler of Hell. It is my goal to blacken the seas with the blood of
> my
> > > > enemies, to bring about the destruction of all civilization, to leave
> > > > mankind berift of hope for any salvation whatsoever. In short, I am
> your
> > > > doom.
> > > > ... I just thought I'd get it all out and out of the way. Billy Bob
> > > > Roberts would eventually say all of this anyway.
> > > >"Bil & Tag"
> >
> > > I presume you didn't know I was refering to the steroid bible
> > > "Anabolic review 1996".
> > > Which proves my point I think!
> >
> > It supports several points of several other persons as well, concerning
> > the ignorance, presumptiousness, and elevated self-importance of this
> > leading AOM candidate.
>
> Seriously Bill, it was humor. I thought that would have been obvious. I
> don't actually believe I'm Satan. I know for a fact that I am Julius
> Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
>
> Would you *please* just lighten up.
I thought you were Elvis!! :-)
Robert and Stefanie Duncan
Bil & Tag wrote:
>
> Seriously Bill, it was humor. I thought that would have been obvious. I
> don't actually believe I'm Satan. I know for a fact that I am Julius
> Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
>
> Would you *please* just lighten up.
Sorry Bil, for being unable to respond to your e-mail.
I agree that people need to lighten up. I will say this, It wasn't even
me who initiated your nomination for AOM and the LIfetime Acheivement
Award. However I was chosen to proliferate your candidacy and the
reasoning behind it.
Remember there are MANY lurkers here, and they do have opinions.
Sometimes I think they are afraid of expressing them for fear of being
flamed.
I could have done a dejanews search and given a reasonable profile of
your opinions, actions, and attitudes. I felt it was unnessesary since
your mindset has deftly shown itself on numerous occasions.
Your last post is more in the vain that suites you. I implore you to
take your nomination proudly, and hold the award high at presentation.
You deserve it. If you don't understand why.... then.... I can think of
no better reason to present it to you.
Do you think this is a comp game or something? Try to use smileys,
humer, understanding, empathy, in relations with others. It goes a long
way.
I may have been a little exuberant in passing on the Lifetime Award, but
AOL?, No chance in hell pal. IT IS ALL YOURS!!! Only one "no", vote. I
would assume that it was yours.
Think before you post, so you can spend less time backpeddling.
As far as your asertion as to who has a better education... Bring it
pal, I've never made bones about it, I'll put 50g's against ANYONE who
can beat me on an IQ test. Most certainly including YOU.
OK, I be coming across a little to strong, so I'll take my own advice
and chill. Bil, do the same. Just think first... Then hit "send". 8*)
Rob
SPAMMER_BEGONE.com
On 26 Aug 1997 04:01:39 GMT, "Polarbear" <bsy...@ny.tds.net> wrote:
>Is this really true? Is Jeep REALLY DEAD???????? You can't believe
>everything you read.
>
Just thought I'd let everyone know there is going to be a Cover Story
on Jeep in tonight's ET.
Apparently his widow is going to tell of his 15+ years of steroid
abuse.
B.
---
"We have enough youth... how about a fountain of smart?"
---
If you wish to email me please remove SPAMMER_BEGONE from my email address.
Thanx.
B.
Hockeyboss
jeep swenson was a steriod freak. No way can you get to 400 pounds with 7%
bodyfat(his claims, not mine) naturally. Oh yeah, He sucked at acting
alex
Buddy
ET did a story on him tonight "Steroids kill Batman actor." His widow
says he died because of steroids. First she says he was hospitalized
with severe bronchitis and in a couple of days he was stabilized. Then a
blood clot travels from his leg and lodges in his lungs and kills him in
few minutes. So how are steroids to blame??
the tree by the river
In article <3419EA...@ibm.net> Buddy <bu...@ibm.net> writes:
>Hockeyboss wrote:
>>
>> jeep swenson was a steriod freak. No way can you get to 400 pounds with 7%
>> bodyfat(his claims, not mine) naturally. Oh yeah, He sucked at acting
>
>says he died because of steroids. First she says he was hospitalized
>with severe bronchitis and in a couple of days he was stabilized. Then a
>blood clot travels from his leg and lodges in his lungs and kills him in
>few minutes. So how are steroids to blame??
I guess they just figured that such a conclusion would get better ratings
than claiming his death was caused by pornography (or whatever it is this
week that we want to get the masses riled up about so they won't spend too
much time thinking).
--
"An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage,
concludes that it will also make better soup." -- H.L. Mencken
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Robert Schuh
Hockeyboss wrote:
>
> jeep swenson was a steriod freak. No way can you get to 400 pounds with 7%
> bodyfat(his claims, not mine) naturally. Oh yeah, He sucked at acting
>
Tell us AOL boy, how well did YOU know Jeep? Your uneducated speculation
as to what he did or did not use is not needed here as you don't know
shit about this topic. Stick to things you know about, like labor!