buying DNP? (Hey, DUCHAINE, answer this!)
Steve
Just for fun, I called achemical supply place and asked if they had DNP. I
was immediately grilled about how it was intended to be used and whether I
was with a business.
My question(s): Is this normal? What are you supposed to tell these guys
if you really want to buy it? My hunch is if you told htem it was for fat
loss they'd never sell it to you. Anyone got any answers? (beside the
usual anti-drug fucks and their constant drivel)
--
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stow...@apc.net
"If it's not Scottish, It's Crap!" -Mike Myers, SNL
John Bongiovanni
stow...@apc.net (Steve) writes:
>Just for fun, I called achemical supply place and asked if they had DNP. I
>was immediately grilled about how it was intended to be used and whether I
>was with a business.
Maybe they thought you were going to poison the neighbor's dog.
--
FINGER for PGP public key - John T Bongiovanni <bo...@alumni.caltech.edu>
Rifle River
In article <stownsley-040...@sl19.apc.net>, stow...@apc.net
(Steve) wrote:
>
> Just for fun, I called achemical supply place and asked if they had DNP. I
> was immediately grilled about how it was intended to be used and whether I
> was with a business.
>
> if you really want to buy it? My hunch is if you told htem it was for fat
> loss they'd never sell it to you. Anyone got any answers? (beside the
> usual anti-drug fucks and their constant drivel)
It's for sale only for research purposes. If you don't have a preexisting
account with a major research institute or university for purchasing
research reagents, they won't sell it to you. Even if you got the powder,
how much would you take and how would you weigh the it out? What color
coffin would you choose?
You people are fucking nuts. Stay away from this shit.
John Gunstream
jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu
Science is a set of cognitive and behavioral methods designed to describe
and interpret observed or inferred phenomena, past or present, aimed at
building a testable body of knowledge open to rejection or confirmation.
Scientifc facts are data or conclusions confirmed to such an extent it
would be reasonable to offer temporary agreement. Michael Shermer
Patrick Arnold
In article <jstream-08...@girch46.med.uth.tmc.edu> jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu (Rifle River) writes:
>From: jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu (Rifle River)
>Subject: Re: buying DNP? (Hey, DUCHAINE, answer this!)
>Date: 8 Jul 1996 17:37:05 GMT
>In article <stownsley-040...@sl19.apc.net>, stow...@apc.net
>(Steve) wrote:
>>
>> Just for fun, I called achemical supply place and asked if they had DNP. I
>> was immediately grilled about how it was intended to be used and whether I
>> was with a business.
Look in the classifieds of magazines like Popular Science for Chemical
resalers to hobbyists.
On second thought please don't.
PA
William Cooper
jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu (Rifle River) wrote:
>In article <stownsley-040...@sl19.apc.net>, stow...@apc.net
>(Steve) wrote:
>>
>> Just for fun, I called achemical supply place and asked if they had DNP. I
>> was immediately grilled about how it was intended to be used and whether I
>> was with a business.
>>
>> My question(s): Is this normal? What are you supposed to tell these guys
>> if you really want to buy it? My hunch is if you told htem it was for fat
>> loss they'd never sell it to you. Anyone got any answers? (beside the
>> usual anti-drug fucks and their constant drivel)
When i saw dan talking about dnp in mm2k he talked about buying the
raw chemicals from a pool supply shop and mixing it up himself. he
said $20 for a year supply.
and like its been said over and over, dan said he's one of a handful
of people that know the correct dosages that won't cause you to DIE!
stay away 'til we all know more.
if you do decide to take it, fill out you donor card and donate your
body to science (when you croak) to they can do an autopsy and we can
all learn more about how you can use it correctly. (that's mostly a
joke.)
bill
DDuchaine
How to make DNP:
50g Benzene
5gm mercuric nitrate
300g nitric acid (50%)
Stir, heat to 50C for 5 hr.
500ml cold water, chill
filter DNP out, wash with water and dry.
Now:
add:
500ml water
20gm lye
filtrate
HCl until acidic
Chill, filter, water wash & dried.
PS: Most of you will blow yourselves up doing this.
Dan Duchaine
E-mail inquiries may not be responded because of time
restraints or annoying/boring questions.
Phone consultations and contest prep available.
E-mail my manager for rates and times at:
GUR...@aol.com
Wayne Kneller
DDuchaine wrote:
>
> How to make DNP:
>
> 50g Benzene
> 5gm mercuric nitrate
> 300g nitric acid (50%)
Gee Dan, where are people gonna get all these goodies
(especially the benzene)?
> Stir, heat to 50C for 5 hr.
> 500ml cold water, chill
> filter DNP out, wash with water and dry.
>
> Now:
> add:
> 500ml water
> 20gm lye
> filtrate
> HCl until acidic
> Chill, filter, water wash & dried.
>
> PS: Most of you will blow yourselves up doing this.
No, all of them will kill themselves doing this. Ba-Bang!!!
Patrick Arnold
>DDuchaine wrote:
>>
>> How to make DNP:
>>
>> 50g Benzene
>> 5gm mercuric nitrate
>> 300g nitric acid (50%)
>> Stir, heat to 50C for 5 hr.
>> 500ml cold water, chill
>> filter DNP out, wash with water and dry.
>>
You really should wash with dilute nitric acid here before the water wash
>> Now:
>> add:
>> 500ml water
>> 20gm lye
>> filtrate
>> HCl until acidic
>> Chill, filter, water wash & dried.
>>
>> PS: Most of you will blow yourselves up doing this.
They might not necessarily blow themselves up (though the chance exists) but
more dangerous is if they not careful they could give themselves mercury
poisoning. Thats why the filtering in this second step is so important; you
are precipitating out and filtering off any residual mercury salts.
>>
>> Dan Duchaine
>> E-mail inquiries may not be responded because of time
>> restraints or annoying/boring questions.
>> Phone consultations and contest prep available.
>> E-mail my manager for rates and times at:
>> GUR...@aol.com
Gee Guru I could really use that hundred bucks or so I thought I was due for
my work on this :-) (Or at the very least a couple of Mr. Olympia tickets)
And please, I will not answer any reader's questions about this synthesis as
it is the Guru's problem now (MY conscience will remain clean)
PA
Perry Staltaro
>DDuchaine wrote:
>>
>> How to make DNP . . . .
>>
>> PS: Most of you will blow yourselves up doing this.
I missed your original post, but I'm assuming that DNP is the secret
thermogenic you devised and were not going to release until 1996. If not,
this post still applies . . .
I'm wondering if you have contacted some sort of manufacturer to
distribute safe versions of your products. I understand why you
wouldn't post the exact instructions on how to safely construct the
products you've designed -- who in their right minds would? But, are
there plans to have a third party manufactur and market these products?
This would help schmucks like myself from blowing themselves up.
Perry Staltaro
"And now a message from the Apple Institute . . .
`Fuck Pears'."
Al Bardo
DEZ...@prodigy.com (Perry Staltaro) wrote:
>Perry Staltaro
This stuff will never be marketed simply because it's a poison.
Al Bardo
John Bongiovanni
alb...@leonardo.net (Al Bardo) writes:
>This stuff will never be marketed simply because it's a poison.
It's a pity I've forgotten the name of the medieval doctor who said:
"The dosage is the difference between a poison and a remedy". I read
it in a medical text somewhere. I should look it up.
Robert Ames
par...@net66.com (Patrick Arnold) wrote:
>They might not necessarily blow themselves up (though the chance exists) but
>more dangerous is if they not careful they could give themselves mercury
>poisoning. Thats why the filtering in this second step is so important; you
>are precipitating out and filtering off any residual mercury salts.
Is there a simple test for mercury which can be done at this stage?
Bernie Simon
bo...@alumnae.caltech.edu (John Bongiovanni) writes:
It's a pity I've forgotten the name of the medieval doctor who said:
"The dosage is the difference between a poison and a remedy". I read
it in a medical text somewhere. I should look it up.
Paracelsus.
--
Bernie Simon And when I fell on the floor I drank more
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Al Bardo
bo...@alumnae.caltech.edu (John Bongiovanni) wrote:
>alb...@leonardo.net (Al Bardo) writes:
>>This stuff will never be marketed simply because it's a poison.
>It's a pity I've forgotten the name of the medieval doctor who said:
>"The dosage is the difference between a poison and a remedy". I read
>it in a medical text somewhere. I should look it up.
>--
>FINGER for PGP public key - John T Bongiovanni <bo...@alumni.caltech.edu>
Yeh, but the problem with DNP is that only a few people appear to know
the "right" dosage, and those that perform blind self-experimentation
with this stuff will most likely die fast. I'd say that qualifies it
as a poison, and no drug currently taken by athletes, not even
insulin, will kill you as fast as this does.
Al Bardo
Jess Anderson
In article <BSIMON.96J...@lilac.stsci.edu>,
Bernie Simon <bsi...@lilac.stsci.edu> wrote:
>bo...@alumnae.caltech.edu (John Bongiovanni) writes:
> It's a pity I've forgotten the name of the medieval doctor who said:
> "The dosage is the difference between a poison and a remedy". I read
> it in a medical text somewhere. I should look it up.
>Paracelsus.
Also known as Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim
(no, I'm not making that up). Some handle, eh?
--
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Copyright 1996 Jess Anderson. *All rights reserved.* Copying in
whole or in part prohibited except for direct response on Usenet.
--
<> If women have evolved enough from the primate state to be
<> able to deny their instincts and say "no," then men should
<> have evolved to the point where they can understand it.
<> -- Michael Pettersen
--
Opinions expressed herein have no connection with the UW-Madison.
Jess Anderson ande...@doit.wisc.edu
Robert Ulrich
I looked up DNP in a chemical book. DNP is classified as harmful. It
is not classified as a poison. MSDS will give more details. I do
not have a copy but I will send for one and post in a couple of days.
Robert Ulrich
As I promised:
MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 1
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 - PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
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PRODUCT NAME: 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE
FORMULA: (NO2)2C6H3NHNH2
FORMULA WT: 198.14
CAS NO.: 00119-26-6
NIOSH/RTECS NO.: MV3325000
PRODUCT CODES: K408
EFFECTIVE: 03/05/87
REVISION #02
PRECAUTIONARY LABELLING
BAKER SAF-T-DATA(TM) SYSTEM
HEALTH - 1 SLIGHT
FLAMMABILITY - 1 SLIGHT
REACTIVITY - 2 MODERATE
CONTACT - 2 MODERATE
HAZARD RATINGS ARE 0 TO 4 (0 = NO HAZARD; 4 = EXTREME HAZARD).
LABORATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
SAFETY GLASSES; LAB COAT
PRECAUTIONARY LABEL STATEMENTS
WARNING
CAUSES IRRITATION
EXPLOSVE WHEN DRY
MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED
KEEP AWAY FROM HEAT, SPARKS, FLAME. DO NOT GET IN EYES, ON SKIN, ON
CLOTHING. DO NOT BREATHE DUST. KEEP IN TIGHTLY CLOSED CONTAINER.
USE WITH ADEQUATE VENTILATION. WASH THOROUGHLY AFTER HANDLING. THIS
MATERIAL CONTAINS AT LEAST 10% WATER. IF WATER EVAPORATES BELOW 10%,
2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE BECOMES AN EXPLOSIVE. IN CASE OF FIRE,
SOAK WITH WATER. IN CASE OF SPILL, SWEEP UP AND CAREFULLY REMOVE.
FLUSH SPILL AREA WITH WATER.
SAF-T-DATA(TM) STORAGE COLOR CODE: ORANGE (GENERAL STORAGE)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 - HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COMPONENT % CAS NO.
2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE 85-90 119-26-6
WATER 10- 157732-18-5
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 - PHYSICAL DATA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BOILING POINT: N/A VAPOR PRESSURE(MM HG):
N/A
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 2
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MELTING POINT: 194 C ( 381 F) VAPOR DENSITY(AIR=1): N/A
SPECIFIC GRAVITY: N/A EVAPORATION RATE: N/A
(H2O=1) (BUTYL ACETATE=1)
SOLUBILITY(H2O): SLIGHT (0.1 TO 1 %) % VOLATILES BY
VOLUME: 0
APPEARANCE & ODOR: RED, CRYSTALLINE POWDER
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 - FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FLASH POINT (CLOSED CUP 210 C ( 410 F)
FLAMMABLE LIMITS: UPPER - N/A % LOWER - N/A %
FIRE EXTINGUISHING MEDIA
USE WATER SPRAY.
SPECIAL FIRE-FIGHTING PROCEDURES
FIREFIGHTERS SHOULD WEAR PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND
SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS WITH FULL FACEPIECE OPERATED IN
POSITIVE PRESSURE MODE. MOVE CONTAINERS FROM FIRE AREA IF IT CAN BE
DONE WITHOUT RISK. USE WATER TO KEEP FIRE-EXPOSED CONTAINERS COOL.
FLOOD WITH WATER, DO NOT SPLATTER OR SPLASH THIS MATERIAL.
UNUSUAL FIRE & EXPLOSION HAZARDS CAN REACT VIOLENTLY WITH SHOCK,
FRICTION OR HEAT.
TOXIC GASES PRODUCED NITROGEN OXIDES, CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5 - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOXICITY: LD50 (ORAL-RAT)(MG/KG) - 654
(this is imporant)
CARCINOGENICITY: NTP: NO IARC: NO Z LIST: NO OSHA REG: NO
EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE
CONTACT CAN CAUSE EYE IRRITATION. PROLONGED CONTACT MAY CAUSE SKIN
SENSITIZATION. INGESTION MAY BE HARMFUL. CHRONIC EFFECTS OF
OVEREXPOSURE MAY DAMAGE BLOOD.
TARGET ORGANS
EYES, BLOOD
MEDICAL CONDITIONS GENERALLY AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE
NONE IDENTIFIED
ROUTES OF ENTRY
SKIN CONTACT, EYE CONTACT, INGESTION
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 3
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EMERGENCY AND FIRST AID PROCEDURES
CALL A PHYSICIAN.
IF SWALLOWED, IF CONSCIOUS, IMMEDIATELY INDUCE VOMITING.
IF INHALED, REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. IF NOT BREATHING, GIVE ARTIFICIAL
RESPIRATION. IF BREATHING IS DIFFICULT, GIVE OXYGEN.
IN CASE OF CONTACT, IMMEDIATELY FLUSH EYES WITH PLENTY OF WATER FOR
AT
LEAST 15 MINUTES. FLUSH SKIN WITH WATER.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6 - REACTIVITY DATA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
STABILITY: UNSTABLE HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: WILL NOT
OCCUR
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: HEAT, FLAME, OTHER SOURCES OF IGNITION, SHOCK
INCOMPATIBLES: STRONG OXIDIZING AGENTS
DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: OXIDES OF NITROGEN, CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON
DIOXIDE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 - SPILL AND DISPOSAL PROCEDURES
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF A SPILL OR DISCHARGE
WEAR SUITABLE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. SHUT OFF IGNITION SOURCES; NO
FLARES,
SMOKING, OR FLAMES IN AREA.
MOISTEN MATERIAL WITH WATER AND PLACE IT INTO LOOSELY-COVERED
PLASTIC OR FIBERBOARD CONTAINERS FOR LATER DISPOSAL.
DISPOSAL PROCEDURE
DISPOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
EPA HAZARDOUS WASTE NUMBER: D001, D003 (IGNITABLE, REACTIVE
WASTE)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8 - PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VENTILATION: USE ADEQUATE GENERAL OR LOCAL EXHAUST
VENTILATION TO KEEP FUME OR DUST LEVELS AS LOW
AS POSSIBLE.
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: NONE REQUIRED WHERE ADEQUATE VENTILATION
CONDITIONS EXIST. IF AIRBORNE CONCENTRATION IS HIGH, USE AN
APPROPRIATE RESPIRATOR OR DUST MASK.
EYE/SKIN PROTECTION: SAFETY GLASSES WITH SIDESHIELDS, RUBBER
GLOVES ARE
RECOMMENDED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9 - STORAGE AND HANDLING PRECAUTIONS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SAF-T-DATA(TM) STORAGE COLOR CODE: ORANGE (GENERAL STORAGE)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 4
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS
KEEP CONTAINER TIGHTLY CLOSED. STORE IN COOL, DRY, WELL-VENTILATED
AREA
AWAY FROM HEAT, SPARKS, OR FLAME.
THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS AT LEAST 10% WATER - IF THE WATER CONTENT
DECREASES
BELOW THIS LEVEL, IT BECOMES AN EXPLOSIVE. AVOID CONDITIONS THAT
COULD
LEAD TO LOSS OF WATER.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 - TRANSPORTATION DATA AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DOMESTIC (D.O.T.)
PROPER SHIPPING NAME DRUGS, N.O.S. (2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE)
HAZARD CLASS FLAMMABLE SOLID
UN/NA NA1325
LABELS FLAMMABLE SOLID
INTERNATIONAL (I.M.O.)
PROPER SHIPPING NAME SUBSTANCES, EXPLOSIVE, N.O.S.
HAZARD CLASS 1.1
UN/NA UN0357
LABELS EXPLOSIVE
.
John Bongiovanni
alb...@leonardo.net (Al Bardo) writes:
>Yeh, but the problem with DNP is that only a few people appear to know
>the "right" dosage, and those that perform blind self-experimentation
>with this stuff will most likely die fast.
"Think of it as evolution in action."
I read that somewhere, too. ;)
David Wythe
Robert Ulrich wrote:
>
> As I promised:
>
> MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 1
>
DNP is 2,4-Dinitrophenol not 2,4-Dinitrophenylhydrazine.
D. Wythe.
Robert Ames
In article <31ed52be...@news.primenet.com>,
bul...@abrasivewaterjet.com (Robert Ulrich) wrote:
>As I promised:
>
>MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 1
Wow, is Dan taking rocket fuel as a supplement?!?
Learn a bit of chemistry:
NH2
|
OH NH
//\ //\
// \ // \
HC // \ NO2 HC // \ NO2
| || | ||
| || | ||
| || | ||
HC \\ /CH HC \\ /CH
\\ / \\ /
\\/ \\/
NO2 NO2
2,4-Dinitrophenol 2,4-dinitrophenylhydrazine (I think...)
Robert Ulrich
David Wythe <dwy...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Robert Ulrich wrote:
>>
>> As I promised:
>>
>> MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 1
>>
>
>DNP is 2,4-Dinitrophenol not 2,4-Dinitrophenylhydrazine.
>
>
>D. Wythe.
Sorry for the error. I am not a chemist. I was just trying to help.
I think I will stick to accounting.
Sasha Cekerevac
This is a great opportunity to be a great explorer in the unknown. Why
doesn't someone help us all out by self-experimenting. I won't bother
being a guinea pig, how about you?
Good Luck!
SC
Rifle River
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 5 - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> TOXICITY: LD50 (ORAL-RAT)(MG/KG) - 654
> (this is imporant)
You could use a lot less *Dinitrophenol* than 654 mg/kg and still kill
yourself.
John Gunstream
jst...@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu
Robert Ames
In article <31eed5f6...@news.primenet.com>,
bul...@abrasivewaterjet.com (Robert Ulrich) wrote:
>>> MSDS for 2,4-DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINE Page 1
...
>Sorry for the error. I am not a chemist. I was just trying to help.
>I think I will stick to accounting.
No need to get discouraged. It is said that the quickest way to get
good information on the Usenet is to publish faulty information.
The web site below has about a dozen links to sites which supply
Material Safety Data Sheets for all dangerous chemicals:
http://www.zoo.utoronto.ca/HandS/msds.htm
John Bongiovanni
Sasha Cekerevac <SCEK...@ARTSU1.Watstar.UWaterloo.CA> writes:
>John Bongiovanni wrote:
>>
>> alb...@leonardo.net (Al Bardo) writes:
>>
>> >Yeh, but the problem with DNP is that only a few people appear to know
>> >the "right" dosage, and those that perform blind self-experimentation
>> >with this stuff will most likely die fast.
>>
>> "Think of it as evolution in action."
>>
>> I read that somewhere, too. ;)
>This is a great opportunity to be a great explorer in the unknown. Why
>doesn't someone help us all out by self-experimenting. I won't bother
>being a guinea pig, how about you?
>Good Luck!
OK, punk, what's your point? Maybe the reference is to far above you to
realise that the quote (from "Oath of Fealty" by Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle) is saying that people who are stupid enough to experiment
with DNP are probably better off dead, at least where the global good
of the gene pool is concerned.
Didn't you notice the winking emoticon? I happened to be *agreeing* with
Mr Bardo.
Kids these days have no sense of history or literature.
Stephen Kline
And what are you basing this brash statement on?
If you only knew...
Steve Kline
sibroussin
Why don't you stop complayning about this fucking product,
you're better using mega dose of clenbuterol than try this
fucking time bomb product!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stephen Kline
And what are you basing this on? Research or personal use or the Weider Instinctive Principle
If you only knew... beside the visible side effects are much less with the DNP.
I would rather take an appropriate dose of DNP than a overdose of clen but that is me...
Stephen Kline