Protein Powder Processing
msamson
I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on how harsh the processing is
of various protein powders such as Whey as well as Whole Egg, and Egg
White.
I do understand that there are a tonne of studies that suggest that
whey protein has a high absorption in the body and has all the immune
system enhancing effects.
HOWEVER,
Common sense tells me that whey is made from cooked milk (pasteurized)
which must exert a negative effect on the amino acids. Furthermore, it
is then processed to separate the protein from the carbs and fats.
>From my research, this is done by using either acids (hydrochloric?) or
enzymes. Since I am primarily interested in an Isolate, after this
concentrated protein is separated from the other fats/carbs it is then
put through a CFM filtration that is done under cold conditions.
My question is, after all of this -- how is it possible that a healthy
product exists? Would there not be severe denaturing from the initial
pasteurization, as well as cross linking between amino acids?
With respect to the egg processing. I understand that a similar
process occurs. The eggs are spray dried under heat. With the egg
protein, would the heat and exposure to air heavily oxidize the
cholesterol causing oxycholesterol which is foreign/toxic to the body?
I suppose this wouldn't occur with the egg white powder but then there
is the entire issue with avidin leeching biotin from your body,
although I suppose this is nullified by pasteurization.
Any knowledge on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
msamson
isolate the protein from the fat and carbs by either using acids or
enzymes.
Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure isolated
whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine white?
BCAA's white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this just the
colour of aminos?
DZ wrote:
> msamson <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Common sense tells me that whey is made from cooked milk
> > (pasteurized) which must exert a negative effect on the amino acids.
> ...
> > Would there not be severe denaturing from the initial
> > pasteurization, as well as cross linking between amino acids?
>
> Common sense tells me the concentration of crosslinked products is
> hundreds times higher in a piece of grilled meat. And they are much
> nastier there because of the presence of creatine in meat. But a part
> of human evolution took place in an environment where fire was used in
> food preparation. So an argument can be made that "it's all natural
> for us".
msamson
byproduct of processing? It seems that whey contains something very
similar to msg that can be excitotoxic to the brain?
JMW
Oh, puleeeze! Don't start with the glutamate toxicity crap. Do you
realize how much glutamate you consume/convert every day? Are you one
of Betty Martini's minions?
JMW
>What about it? Cheese has over 1g per 100g of free glutamate (plus 10g
>of it bound).
I've heard that divers can die from nitrogen bubbles in their blood.
We really ought to stay away from that nitrogen stuff, too.
msamson
> What about it? Cheese has over 1g per 100g of free glutamate (plus 10g
> of it bound).
I didn't know cheese had 1g of free glutamic acid acid per 100g.
Regardless, I don't eat cheese because I can't find any no or low
sodium cheese.
DZ, whey isolate CFM has 12g's of glutamic acid per 100g. Now, i'm not
sure if this is free form or bound. If it is the latter, it isn't a
problem. I'm just wondering how much is free form as this could very
much be a significant amount (3g per scoop).
Thanks.
David Cohen
"JMW" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
Well, ya' gotta' be careful with those dangerous amino acid things. After
all, if you combine aspartic acid with phenylalanine (heaven forbid, this is
just an intellectual exercise and should never be attempted!!), you
get...ASPARTAME!!!
AHHHH...BIOCHEMICAL TERRORIST ATTACK!!!!!!
David
David Cohen
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
> DZ wrote:
>> What about it? Cheese has over 1g per 100g of free glutamate (plus 10g
>> of it bound).
>
> I didn't know cheese had 1g of free glutamic acid acid per 100g.
> Regardless, I don't eat cheese because I can't find any no or low
> sodium cheese.
Why would you only eat low or no sodium cheese?
David
msamson
> realize how much glutamate you consume/convert every day? Are you one
> of Betty Martini's minions?
What's your problem? Has the glutamate indeed affected your brain?
Listen buddy, there is no need to be a bitch, i'm just asking some
straight forward questions here.
Furthermore, I don't realize how much glutamate I consume every day.
I'm not concerned with bounded glutamic acid or how much I "convert" as
you put it. I'm just concerned with free form glutamic acid as it is
toxic to the brain such as msg.
msamson
>
> David
Why do you think?
JMW
>> Oh, puleeeze! Don't start with the glutamate toxicity crap. Do you
>> realize how much glutamate you consume/convert every day? Are you one
>> of Betty Martini's minions?
>
>What's your problem? Has the glutamate indeed affected your brain?
>Listen buddy, there is no need to be a bitch, i'm just asking some
>straight forward questions here.
No, you're not. Your so-called "straight forward questions" are
loaded with erroneous and hysterical presumptions.
>Furthermore, I don't realize how much glutamate I consume every day.
>I'm not concerned with bounded glutamic acid or how much I "convert" as
>you put it. I'm just concerned with free form glutamic acid as it is
>toxic to the brain ...
Here it comes ...
> ... such as msg.
There's one. MSG hysteria. Aside from a few people who are
hypersensitive, MSG is not problematic. It is not "toxic" to the
brain in any normal amount, nor can you produce any *reliable* study
that establishes that it is.
That's my problem, buddy. I can sense weenies like you in the first
few posts, and so can several others in this newsgroup.
msamson
> hypersensitive, MSG is not problematic. It is not "toxic" to the
> brain in any normal amount, nor can you produce any *reliable* study
> that establishes that it is.
>
> That's my problem, buddy. I can sense weenies like you in the first
> few posts, and so can several others in this newsgroup.
Hypersensitive or not, I don't want to pollute my body if I can help it
-- and especially not PAY for it. Regardless, the point that it is not
problematic is only your opinion. Thanks for letting me know that 3
grams of glutamic acid poses no problems...I appreciate your opinion.
Now, I look forward to what "erroneous" and "hysterical" presumptions
i've made. I just want other people's intelligent opinions (unlike
yours) and you've said enough, so thanks again.
David Cohen
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>> Why would you only eat low or no sodium cheese?
>>
>> David
>
> Why do you think?
Because you're an idiot who thinks that sodium is bad for you, despite you
not having sodium-responsive hypertention?
Am I close?
David
David Cohen
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
Oh, drat. I spelled "hypertension" wrong. Well, that must mean sodium is bad
for you. You were write.
Oh, drat. I've done it again.
I must be hypernatremic, and it's effecting...no, wait, affecting...my
spelling.
>
> Am I close?
>
> David
David
still
Steve Freides
news:1149362241....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> DZ wrote:
>> What about it? Cheese has over 1g per 100g of free glutamate (plus
>> 10g
>> of it bound).
>
> I didn't know cheese had 1g of free glutamic acid acid per 100g.
> Regardless, I don't eat cheese because I can't find any no or low
> sodium cheese.
As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my kids
like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
sandwich or anything else to get in the way.
> DZ, whey isolate CFM has 12g's of glutamic acid per 100g. Now, i'm
> not
> sure if this is free form or bound. If it is the latter, it isn't a
> problem. I'm just wondering how much is free form as this could very
> much be a significant amount (3g per scoop).
"Understanding is just a delaying tactic." Whoever you are, lift, eat,
sleep, and rest will take care of itself.
Steve "lifts seven days a week, eats seven days a week" Freides
http://www.kbnj.com
msamson
> most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
> plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my kids
> like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
> sandwich or anything else to get in the way.
No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels. From his posts
he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED with it
and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep it that
way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I rather eat it
that way.
Steve Freides
Ah, but there you have it, the word "healthy" - you may be misinformed
about what constitutes a healthy level of sodium in the diet. And we
all know what low-sodium cheese tastes like.
David Cohen
"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>>> As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
>>> most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
>>> plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my kids
>>> like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
>>> sandwich or anything else to get in the way.
>>
>> No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels. From his posts
>> he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED with it
>> and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep it that
>> way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I rather eat it
>> that way.
>
> Ah, but there you have it, the word "healthy" - you may be misinformed
> about what constitutes a healthy level of sodium in the diet. And we all
> know what low-sodium cheese tastes like.
<whisper> Steve, just buy a couple of his pot holders and stop arguing with
the retarded guy!</>
David
Jason Earl
I don't eat cheese either, mostly because I am saving all of my sodium
intake for french fries. After all, french fries are vegetables and
they are delicious. I also don't eat much sugar, but that's mostly
because corn syrup is so delicious.
Jason
msamson
> about what constitutes a healthy level of sodium in the diet. And we
> all know what low-sodium cheese tastes like.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
Please feel free to tell us what constitutes a healthy level of sodium.
Surely the level of sodium in most foods today is of outrageous
quantity.
Curt James
[...]
>you may be misinformed about what constitutes a
>healthy level of sodium in the diet.
...
The National High Blood Pressure Education Program recommends no more
than 2,400 mg sodium per day (the amount in about 1 teaspoon of table
salt).
[...]
>-S-
>http://www.kbnj.com
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
msamson
> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
>
Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.
Regardless, todays sodium intake is at levels higher than any time in
history.
And with respect to cheese, 6oz of cheddar has over 1000mg's of sodium,
which is why I don't eat it.
JMW
>
>> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
>>
>
>Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.
And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
msamson
> much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
>
> And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
> hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
Perhaps he does, but he doesn't have to come across as such an asshole
making his points. Regardless, the original post had nothing to do
with this and would like more opinions on the whey powder --
processing, quality of the proteins, potentially too much free form
glutamic acid etc.
JMW
And you think you know all about what constitutes too much glutamate,
as well as what constitutes too much sodium. And that's why people
here treat you like that. If you already think you know everything,
why are you asking questions?
If you want answers to your questions in this newsgroup, you would be
well advised to leave your pop-health preconceived notions behind.
Otherwise, Google it yourself.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
It's not that hard.
Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
msamson
> And you think you know all about what constitutes too much glutamate,
> as well as what constitutes too much sodium.
I do? I couldn't give a shit about the sodium -- I have no questions
about it. And I don't know about the glutamate content of the powder
so this is why i'm asking.
And that's why people
> here treat you like that.
No, there have been a couple of decent answers. The other people are
just fucking assholes.
If you already think you know everything,
> why are you asking questions?
I never said I know everything, and my posts never implied that.
Perhaps you should re-read my posts instead of making up bullshit.
>
> If you want answers to your questions in this newsgroup, you would be
> well advised to leave your pop-health preconceived notions behind.
> Otherwise, Google it yourself.
No preconceived notions. Just straight up questions that want straight
up answers. And there isn't only one side, so open open minded to all
opinions, except that of asshole ones.
msamson
> My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
> It's not that hard.
Uh oh....according to these wankers, that's probably too low! You
might also consider increasing your nitrate consumption, since if you
don't have cancer you have nothing to worry about!
> Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
> I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
> --
So fucking what? Another homosexual asshole brainwashed quack! Gimme
a break.
Curt James
Well, just check out one *SLICE* of Lebanon sweet bologna: 900 mg of
sodium. I used to eat an entire package of that stuff. SO good. Mmph!
Still, some people - I've read - are not sensitive to salt in their
diets. I've been watching my blood pressure and so have cut out all
alcohol, have been watching my sodium, and have also been hitting the
weights and treadmill with regularity.
Nine HUNDRED milligrams!
Not that that's death in a slice, but it's amazing to me that one
slice of my favorite lunch meat holds 150% of the sodium in an entire
typical Healthy Choice frozen meal. Zoinks!
http://www.healthychoice.com/
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
JMW
>In article <nn5682pce4g1ourns...@4ax.com>,
> JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.
>>
>> And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
>> much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
>>
>> And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
>> hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
>
>My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
>It's not that hard.
And what's your blood pressure like? I seem to recall it was bit
high.
>Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
>I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
Possibly more than a lot of physicians, who usually hand out
pre-fabricated advice, often in little hand-out sheets, and move you
out so they can bring in the next patient.
Tom Anderson
> Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure isolated
> whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine white? BCAA's
> white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this just the colour of
> aminos?
The latter. Basically, most substances are colourless - it's only if they
have funky molecular orbitals that they absorb light in the visible
spectrum. In practice, 'funky' means d orbitals, as found in compounds of
transition metals like iron, copper nickel, etc, or highly conjugated pi
orbitals, as found in complex unsaturated organic compounds. Amino acids,
including creatine, are all simple organic molecules, and don't have the
magic orbitals; the same goes for sugars. Proteins and complex
carbohydrates are more complex, but don't have much in the way of pi
orbitals; they're just big, rather than having funky bonding. Fats are
reasonably big, and are sometimes unsaturated, but generally not enough
that they have visible colour - you need a bunch of unsaturated, ie
double, bonds next to each other to get colour (as in beta-carotene, for
example, which looks like a fat gone wild).
So now you know.
tom
--
YUO CANNOT ESCAPE OR EVAR WIN!!!!!!!!
Pete
>> My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
>> It's not that hard.
> Uh oh....according to these wankers, that's probably too low! You
> might also consider increasing your nitrate consumption, since if you
> don't have cancer you have nothing to worry about!
>> Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
>> I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
> So fucking what? Another homosexual asshole brainwashed quack! Gimme
> a break.
Now, now... such foul language.
Why you reply to OmMan in such a manner is beyond me, since he is probably
one of the easiest going around here...
Take it easy.
----
Pete
Tom Anderson
>> Oh, puleeeze! Don't start with the glutamate toxicity crap. Do you
>> realize how much glutamate you consume/convert every day? Are you one
>> of Betty Martini's minions?
>
> Furthermore, I don't realize how much glutamate I consume every day. I'm
> not concerned with bounded glutamic acid or how much I "convert" as you
> put it. I'm just concerned with free form glutamic acid as it is toxic
> to the brain such as msg.
Do you understand what happens to protein in your gut?
Tom Anderson
I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.
David Cohen
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokeneggs.com> wrote
> JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
>> >>
>> >Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.
>>
>> And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
>> much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
>>
>> And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
>> hypertensive.
100's over 50's-60's, with a resting heart rate of 50-60.
Thanks to Lyle, but, that's another story :)
> He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
Sheba knows a lot more about this stuff than "msamson", the Canadian retard.
> My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
> It's not that hard.
> Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
My BS, as well as my grad school work, was in Environmental Science and
Public Health, not nursing. My Associates Degrees are in nursing and
paramedic medicine. And if 20 = several, then, yeah, several.
> I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
I wouldn't count on it.
David
David Cohen
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>> And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
>> much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
>>
>> And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
>> hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
>
> Perhaps he does, but he doesn't have to come across as such an asshole
> making his points.
Yes, I do. How dare you presume to diagnose my mental status! I am
uncontrollably driven to be an asshole, and the medications aren't working,
and it's affecting my family, so, it's pretty mean of you to insult me, when
I am suffering from a debilitating psychiatric disease!!
Nah, just kidding. You are still retarded, though.
David
David Cohen
"Pete" <phou...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
Easier going than me, Pete? You have hurt my feelings :(
David
Chairman, Another Homosexual Asshole Brainwashed Quack Subcommittee
Internet Control Committee
International Zionist Cabal, LLC
Steve Freides
news:LPCgg.8915$921....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
You know, I started one more reply to him, and was going to reply to
this message with "Well, I'll just do one more" but, thinking about it
further, I think you're right, so I'll quit here.
You know, my wife doesn't call them "pot holders" - she calls them "hot
mats." I don't get that. I call them pot holders, too. And we grew up
about 20 miles away from each other, so it's not like it could be
regional thing. What's up with that?
-S-
David Cohen
"Tom Anderson" <tw...@urchin.earth.li> wrote
Oh, Tom, we didn't want to have to break it to you this way, but, your
doctor called. You have Congenital Impacted Flatulence Syndrome, and only
have a few months left. We are SO sorry :(
David
Pete
>> Now, now... such foul language.
>> Why you reply to OmMan in such a manner is beyond me, since he is
>> probably one of the easiest going around here...
> Easier going than me, Pete? You have hurt my feelings :(
Sorry Man! Wont happen again.
Its just that you guys play so rough all the time...
----
Pete
Curt James
[...]
><snip> And that's why people here treat you like that. If you
>already think you know everything, why are you asking questions?
>
>If you want answers to your questions in this newsgroup, you would be
>well advised to leave your pop-health preconceived notions behind.
>Otherwise, Google it yourself.
There has been more than one humble and respectful person who has
entered this newsgroup and been met by idiocy.
Imo, the possession of so-called pop-health preconceived notions has
little to do with the response garnered by many MFW patrons.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
re JMW
[...]
>I never said I know everything, and my posts never implied that.
>Perhaps you should re-read my posts instead of making up bullshit.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
David Cohen
"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote >>
Maybe it's where her family grew up. Hot mat...no, never heard that one.
Back East, we made hamburgers out of "chopped meat", drove on "Route 80",
spent summers at "the shore", and went hiking in "the woods".
Out West, we eat ground beef, drive on Interstate or I-80, go to the beach,
and hike in the forest.
Of course, msamson is retarded on both coasts.
David
David Cohen
"Pete" <phou...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
Your anti-estrogens aren't working! Butch the fuck up, Pete.
But I say that with all due affection.
GROUP HUG!!
Not msamson, though. He grabbed my ass last time.
David
msamson
about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
isolate cold filtered. Do the body/muscles benefit from this protein
or not? Is it all "damaged" protein from the heating, acids,
filtering, etc. or are they good aminos rich in BCAA's? I have
researched a tonne and haven't found too much in the negatives.
The negatives on the powders I have found from researching the Weston
Price Foundation.
What about free form BCAA's? Waste of money because they don't do
anything, or effective pre and post workout?
Curt James
>Cohen is an RN.
Bullshit. An RN?
Oh, wait, I guess only doctors are supposed to have a nice bedside
manner. Cohen? He's a yutz.
His backhanded compliment (elsewhere in this ng) "See how nice
non-trolling is? Keep it up :)" was like someone offering, "Hey, nice
shirt... makes that tie look not so much like SHIT."
>4 year BS
See? BS, just like I said.
>degree, and several years experience.
>I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
msamson
> Not msamson, though. He grabbed my ass last time.
>
> David
You know, for having a RN, medic, BS, and 20 years experience, you
certainly don't come across as it. You either are severely fucked in
the head or have major short man syndrome. It's typical that you
continue to resort to name calling when someone questions the status
quo. I have noticed your attacks in other posts on other people and
like the other poster said, nothing more than a bunch of idiocy. You
are nothing more than a troll that seeks attention. You need help.
You have a severe mental disorder and should check yourself in as soon
as possible. Unfortunatley that won't even help, so you continue to
slam others in order to boost your own pathetic existence.
Why don't you just shut the fuck up for once? If you don't have
anything good or positive to say then don't say anything at all. You
sure didn't learn much in your time at school and in life. Let me
guess, you don't have many friends either do you, for surely if you
acted toward others the way you do here you certainly wouldn't get very
far.
msamson
Hey Curt, I agree...this guy is a fucking wacko. He gets his rocks off
by insulting others and name calling instead of actually addressing the
issues and reasons for his statements. Should of known better than to
post on this forum....there are other more intelligent forums that I
have posted on and have received intelligent answers with the utmost
respect. I figure he's nothing more than a pencil necked teenager with
a big mouth that thinks he knows everything.
At least there are some decent others like DZ and Steve Friedes that
try to help with some input.
My advice is to just ignore it....his name calling is pretty lame
anyway.
Pete
>>Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
>>I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
> Possibly more than a lot of physicians, who usually hand out
> pre-fabricated advice, often in little hand-out sheets, and move you
> out so they can bring in the next patient.
Yes.
And i sure as hell hope do dont have to find out the hard way.
You know, they*might* put something like "we are dealing with an exteremely
aggressive patient here" in your file, just because you, very politely,
pointed out a few "errors" here and there...
I am writing letter after letter to get rid of that "file"...
----
Pete
The exteremely obese man, WITH adiposatos, because his BMI was higher then
35...
Curt James
>msamson <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> Another homosexual asshole brainwashed quack!
>
>What is worse in your opinion, homosexuality or glutamate?
I noticed that, too. He pegged JMW for being an asshole (okay,
opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.
Think I'll just hate everyone.
And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
[...]
re Om
>he is probably one of the easiest going around here...
Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
back.
--
Curt
Curt James
[...]
>I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.
>
>tom
So, let's take a look at my list of hate...
[x] tom
[x] DZ
[x] Pete
[x] JMW
[x] Queen
[x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
jealous.)
[x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
you. Bastard!)
[x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
prick!)
[x] Om
[x] Larry
[x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
[x] Hanson
[x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
reason I need.)
There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill and must
stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than enough hate to go
around!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
msamson
> I noticed that, too. He pegged JMW for being an asshole (okay,
> opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.
>
> Think I'll just hate everyone.
>
> And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
> a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
> to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.
>
> --
> Curt
> http://curtjames.com/
Actually the only one that I pegged as a homo asshole is Cohen since
he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha. Thus homo and asshole. Everyone else
has been relatively reasonable. I did see your list, and now realize
what a crock this newsgroup is. Figures considering that bodybuilders
aren't exactly the picture of health.
Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder and sodium! haahaha
Curt James
[...]
>Let me guess, you don't have many friends either do you,
>for surely if you acted toward others the way you do here
>you certainly wouldn't get very far.
Internet/newsgroups/chat... what was it? Anyway, Usenet is a
magnifying glass in some respects as well as a good reason to drop a
lot of civility barriers.
This is why I choose to simply hate everyone from now on.
And, hey, what was that crack about homosexual assholes? You jerk.
You're making the heterosexual assholes feel left out. Sheesh.
Let me guess, you don't have many friends either, do you? For *surely*
if you acted toward others the way you do here, well, you certainly
wouldn't get very far!
Hmmm. That sounds strangely familiar for some reason.
No matter.
TREADMILL! NOW!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Pete
>>> Easier going than me, Pete? You have hurt my feelings :(
>> Sorry Man! Wont happen again.
>> Its just that you guys play so rough all the time...
> Your anti-estrogens aren't working! Butch the fuck up, Pete.
Something is defenitely wrong with me...
Maybe the Steroid Gods decided it was time to pick on me and replaced all my
amps with estrogens.
I have this deep, DEEP desire to wear high heels when posting these
messages. Maybe i am...
> But I say that with all due affection.
> GROUP HUG!!
> Not msamson, though. He grabbed my ass last time.
I dont want to hug anyone that uses kettlebells. The rest is wellcome.
Oh yeah, little note so msamson...
DO NOT EAT SODIUM !!!!!! IT IS BAAAAAADDD FOR YOU !!!!
THANKS FOR LISTENING !!!!!
I am warming up a bit.
----
Pete
David Cohen
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
It's true. It's all true. You have correctly psychoanalyzed me. I am
severely disturbed.
Personally, I chalk it up to years of sodium and msg abuse.
But, I know...that's just an excuse.
But, at least my dog likes me.
Oh, hell, she just peed on my leg :(
You could be my friend, but, no more ass grabbing, ok?
David
have pointy stick, will travel
Pete
> At least there are some decent others like DZ and Steve Friedes that
> try to help with some input.
Are you aware of the fact that Steve, and i suspect DZ as well, uses
"kettlebells"?
Those things were invented by the Russians...
----
Pete
David Cohen
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
> Curt James wrote:
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet <Ome...@brokeneggs.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cohen is an RN.
>>
>> Bullshit. An RN?
>>
>> Oh, wait, I guess only doctors are supposed to have a nice bedside
>> manner. Cohen? He's a yutz.
Putz. Not yutz. Subtle difference.
>> His backhanded compliment (elsewhere in this ng) "See how nice
>> non-trolling is? Keep it up :)" was like someone offering, "Hey, nice
>> shirt... makes that tie look not so much like SHIT."
Oh, the shirt was fine. Your zipper was open, though.
>> >4 year BS
>>
>> See? BS, just like I said.
>>
>> >degree, and several years experience.
>> >I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
>>
>> Except for when he doesn't.
>>
>> --
>> Curt
>> http://curtjames.com/
>
> Hey Curt, I agree...this guy is a fucking wacko.
You AND Curt don't like me? Man, that's depressing.
> He gets his rocks off
> by insulting others and name calling instead of actually addressing the
> issues and reasons for his statements. Should of known better than to
> post on this forum....there are other more intelligent forums that I
> have posted on and have received intelligent answers with the utmost
> respect. I figure he's nothing more than a pencil necked teenager with
> a big mouth that thinks he knows everything.
Yup, that's me. Your are very smart. I'd like to suscribe to your
newsletter.
> At least there are some decent others like DZ and Steve Friedes that
> try to help with some input.
Ah, the Russian connection. I still don't trust Rooskies and their minions.
> My advice
Don't give Curt advice. He doesn't like it. Go ahead...tell him his shirt is
ugly. You'll see.
> is to just ignore it....his name calling is pretty lame
> anyway.
Neener neener. You're a big poopiehead.
David
feeling guilty about poking the retarded guy, but, I just can't help myself
:(
Pete
>> And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
>> a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
> Actually the only one that I pegged as a homo asshole is Cohen since
> he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha. Thus homo and asshole.
Homos and assholes... hmm... sound like a file i recently downloaded.
> Everyone else
> has been relatively reasonable. I did see your list, and now realize
> what a crock this newsgroup is. Figures considering that bodybuilders
> aren't exactly the picture of health.
You figured that out allready?
About the sodium...
It is generally accepted that too much can lead to health problems...
HOWEVER,
A Dutch doctor, who supervised the National Soccer-team in Florida, 1994,
concluded that under certain circumstances, lets say, swichting to a
moderate sea climate to a tropical one, it would be BETTER to INcrease the
sodium intake, along with lots of water, to keep blood pressure DOWN.
This might also be a good suggestion for the elderly, when temperatur rises
above 30 degrees celcius.
> Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder and sodium! haahaha
Works for me.
----
Pete
Pete
>>he is probably one of the easiest going around here...
> Ooonly a cover.
"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?
> Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
> back.
Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?
Why is that?
Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send to
see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say 10
million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?
Just kidding, of course.... ;)
----
Pete
JMW
>
>> And you think you know all about what constitutes too much glutamate,
>> as well as what constitutes too much sodium.
>
>I do? I couldn't give a shit about the sodium -- I have no questions
>about it. And I don't know about the glutamate content of the powder
>so this is why i'm asking.
But why are you worried about that? Because you heard that glutamates
are "bad" cuz that's what in monosodium glutamate (MSG), and everybody
*knows* how "bad" that is!
You see, that's the problem with guys like you. You pick up these
little pop-health factoids (which are often the results of junk
science hysteria, anyway), and without any overall understanding of
human physiology, you try to apply them by asking pseudo-informed
"questions" loaded with crappy presumptions. Yes, massive amounts of
sodium and glutamate in your diet can be harmful. By the same token,
sodium and glutamate are absolutely essential to you maintaining your
existence.
Whey protein contains glutamic acid. It really doesn't matter how
much is "free form" because the protein will be broken down into its
constituent amino acids in the gut, anyway. Or are you one of those
rocket scientists who thought that whole proteins just passed through
the gut in one long string? And what happens to glutamic acid when
it's broken down in the gut? Ninety-five percent is metabolized by
the cells of the gut; that's its biggest physiological function. So
how much do you really need to worry about going to the brain and
creating exitotoxicity?
What you really need to worry about is learning more about the subject
matter and not making nutritional decisions on little chunks of
information that are totally separated from the overall function.
>> And that's why people
>> here treat you like that.
>
>No, there have been a couple of decent answers. The other people are
>just fucking assholes.
>
>> If you already think you know everything,
>> why are you asking questions?
>
>I never said I know everything, and my posts never implied that.
>Perhaps you should re-read my posts instead of making up bullshit.
>
>>
>> If you want answers to your questions in this newsgroup, you would be
>> well advised to leave your pop-health preconceived notions behind.
>> Otherwise, Google it yourself.
>
>No preconceived notions. Just straight up questions that want straight
>up answers. And there isn't only one side, so open open minded to all
>opinions, except that of asshole ones.
Oh, my! What a whiny little guy! We just love that in this
newsgroup.
Pete
> See? I hate you, too.
> So, let's take a look at my list of hate...
> [x] tom
> [x] DZ
> [x] Pete
Hey... wait a minute!
I am number 3 AND ahead of John???????
I want to be number 1....
> [x] JMW
> [x] Queen
> [x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
> jealous.)
> [x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
> you. Bastard!)
> [x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
> prick!)
> [x] Om
> [x] Larry
> [x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
> [x] Hanson
> [x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
> reason I need.)
Steve uses "kettlebelles", Curt...
Other then that, he seems like a nice guy.
> There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill and must
> stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than enough hate to go
> around!
My lower arms are still 15 inch after a HARD session...
----
Pete
JMW
>
>Curt James wrote:
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet <Ome...@brokeneggs.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cohen is an RN.
>>
>> Bullshit. An RN?
>>
>> Oh, wait, I guess only doctors are supposed to have a nice bedside
>> manner. Cohen? He's a yutz.
>>
>> His backhanded compliment (elsewhere in this ng) "See how nice
>> non-trolling is? Keep it up :)" was like someone offering, "Hey, nice
>> shirt... makes that tie look not so much like SHIT."
>>
>> >4 year BS
>>
>> See? BS, just like I said.
>>
>> >degree, and several years experience.
>> >I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
>>
>> Except for when he doesn't.
>>
>> --
>> Curt
>> http://curtjames.com/
>
>Hey Curt, I agree...this guy is a fucking wacko. He gets his rocks off
>by insulting others and name calling instead of actually addressing the
>issues and reasons for his statements.
And Curt James shoves his tongue up the anus of every clueless n00b
that enters this newsgroup because ... well, because that's what he
always does. Curt doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about,
but he's always glad to play Captain Google for the n00bs and look up
some simplistic information that is only marginally germane to the
question being asked, just so that he can *pretend* that he
understands the subject.
You two will make a great couple.
Jason Earl
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> I don't eat cheese either, mostly because I am saving all of my
>> sodium intake for french fries. After all, french fries are
>> vegetables and they are delicious. I also don't eat much sugar,
>> but that's mostly because corn syrup is so delicious.
>
> Do you smoke or drink any vegetables, Jason?
When I was a kid we used to play a game where we would put on our
heavy Levi jackets and jeans, spray hairspray on our arms and legs,
wait for a car to come, and then light our arms and legs on fire and
then run across the road screaming and waving our arms. We had a
really good place to hide across the road so one moment you would see
a group of young boys running across the road in front of you on fire,
and the next they would all be gone.
We stopped this game after my brother got ambitious and sprayed
hairspray all over the back of his jacket and accidentally lit his
hair on fire. Fortunately he had a crew cut at the time so he didn't
get hurt very badly, but to this day he still doesn't really have
eyebrows. It's possible that this is a coincidence, but I have an
abundance of eyebrow.
To my knowledge that is these occasions are the only time I have ever
smoked :).
As for drinking vegetables, I don't generally like vegetable juice,
except, of course, for corn syrup. I'm not sure that counts as a
vegetable even though it is made from corn.
Jason
OmManiPadmeOmelet
JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <Ome...@brokeneggs.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <nn5682pce4g1ourns...@4ax.com>,
> > JMW <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.
> >>
> >> And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
> >> much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.
> >>
> >> And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
> >> hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.
> >
> >My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
> >It's not that hard.
>
> And what's your blood pressure like? I seem to recall it was bit
> high.
Uh, no, it usually is around 110/60.
Sometimes it drops too low.
When systolic drops below 100, I get dizzy.
>
> >Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
> >I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)
>
> Possibly more than a lot of physicians, who usually hand out
> pre-fabricated advice, often in little hand-out sheets, and move you
> out so they can bring in the next patient.
On that we so totally agree! :-)
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
Curt James
>"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
[...]
something re glutamates
[...]
>You see, that's the problem with guys like you. You pick up these
>little pop-health factoids (which are often the results of junk
>science hysteria, anyway), and without any overall understanding of
>human physiology, you try to apply them by asking pseudo-informed
>"questions" loaded with crappy pre<snip>
And on and on and on...
Just a big block of text. Blecch!
Could you, mmmaaaaybe, just once or twice per year, simply offer an
informational response without all the... snobbishness. I'm not sure
that's the word I'm looking for, but I do know you all too often come
off like a colossal jerk.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Pete
>> Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure isolated
>> whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine white? BCAA's
>> white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this just the colour of
>> aminos?
> The latter. Basically, most substances are colourless - it's only if they
> have funky molecular orbitals that they absorb light in the visible
> spectrum.
Seems like i can forget about actually seeing Orange steroids after this
post (good one, btw...)
But somehow, i suspect these diabolical scientiest found a way a to "bleach"
all this stuff white, so it can be sold more easily...
----
Pete
msamson
> Could you, mmmaaaaybe, just once or twice per year, simply offer an
> informational response without all the... snobbishness. I'm not sure
> that's the word I'm looking for, but I do know you all too often come
> off like a colossal jerk.
I think that pretty much sums up every "know it all" here.
Curt James
I scribbled re msamson
>> <snip>He pegged JMW for being an asshole (okay,
>> opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.
>>
>> Think I'll just hate everyone.
>>
>> And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
>> a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
>> to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.
>Actually the only one that I pegged as a homo asshole is Cohen since
>he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha.
My aunt's an LPN. Her sister's an RN. My grandma was a nurse. And a
guy I lifted with a bajillion years ago (well, at the same gym,
actually), Sid Brumbach, is an RN, too. Good deadlifter, too. Okay,
more than good - he was a Junior World Power Lifting Champion. See:
http://searchwarp.com/swa2482.htm
>Thus homo and asshole.
There's nothing at all "ahahahahahaha"about being a nurse. And there's
also nothing really laugh-worthy about a person's sexuality. Well,
certainly not the way you presented it. Buy a sense of humor and try
again.
Richard Pryor had some good dick sucking humor. Start with him.
"Bitch was so fine I'd suck her daddy's dick." Now THAT's beautiful.
So take your ahahahahahaha somewhere else. You're not funny.
>Everyone else has been relatively reasonable.
(looks around)
What? EVERYONE here is completely UNreasonable. Especially Tom "I have
no health issues" Anderson. Christ, I just wanna...
And I didn't mention Dally. What is up with her and that kid?
OlympicGymnastBlackBeltComposerSpellingBee champion. She needs help
and her son needs a cookie and a quiet place to lie down.
>I did see your list, and now realize what a crock this newsgroup is.
How so?
>Figures considering that bodybuilders aren't exactly the picture
>of health.
Many are. Have to define health.
>Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder
Right now I have Body Fortress' Premium Whey Protein. Before that I
had a container of Designer Whey.
And, holy CRAP, have you checked prices on that Gakic stuff? The clerk
told me it was $79.99 for a tiny bottle. F that. It's always
interesting to read about the hot supplements, but I'll opt for real
food at the grocery store and, yeah, settle for the one-dollar "The
Gakic Miracle" *book* (discounted from $19.99) at the local GNC.
>and sodium!
I'm trying to avoid sodium myself although I don't believe my b.p.
dropped significantly from diet. The treadmill is working for me,
however. (At least that's what I'll attribute a lower b.p. to.)
>haahaha
Hnh. Laughter's the best medicine.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
>"Curt James" <cwj...@psu.edu> schreef:
>
>>>he is probably one of the easiest going around here...
>
>> Ooonly a cover.
>
>"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
>Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?
Yes, I have that on DVD. The special extras or whatever has Verhoeven
and Arnold (or is it just Verhoeven?) just going off about tits and
ass. Very NOT politically correct director commentary. And, yet,
nothing about homosexual asshole nurses. Odd.
>> Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
>> back.
>
>Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
>general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?
>
>Why is that?
I believe it's because as one of the qualifications of a truly Ugly
American, we must refrain from learning ANYTHING about any culture
other than our own. Xenophobia rocks!
>Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send to
>see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say 10
>million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
>And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?
>
>Just kidding, of course.... ;)
That's a quote from An Officer and a Gentleman, something like, "Oh,
yeah, you don't have friends... only CUSTOMERS!" Foley to Mayo at some
point in the flick.
Anyway, I thought that gun owners all had lots of friends. The larger
the caliber, the larger number of friends, right? Picture Brink,
waving a Glock in one hand, combing his hair with the other, and
repeating, "Am I tall? Is my hair thick? We're gonna be good friends,
aren't we?"
Hmm. Well, I can't be funny all the time.
--
Curt
Curt James
Curt James
re "Cohen? He's a yutz."
>Putz.
I won't discount putz, of course. Yes, you are a putz.
>Not yutz.
And now you're an ANNOYING yutz.
[...]
>You AND Curt don't like me?
I hate everyone. It's new.
>Man, that's depressing.
Welcome to Earth, Cohen. It's all depressing. Enjoy your stay.
[...]
><snip>I'd like to suscribe
Sus what?
>to your newsletter.
[...]
>Don't give Curt advice. He doesn't like it. Go ahead...
>tell him his shirt is ugly. You'll see.
But that's my newsletter topic! "My shirt is pretty!"
[...]
>Neener neener. You're a big poopiehead.
I'm crossing you off the subscription list. Sorry. You're just too
mean-spirited.
--
Curt
Pete
>>>>he is probably one of the easiest going around here...
>>> Ooonly a cover.
>>"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
>>Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?
> Yes, I have that on DVD.
Yeah, me too.
Another hilariious scene is when the "woman" is trying to get trough
customs...
"twoooooo weeeeeks.... TWOOOOOO WEEEEEEEKS"...
>The special extras or whatever has Verhoeven
> and Arnold (or is it just Verhoeven?) just going off about tits and
> ass.
Yeah, thats Paul. The guy loves that shit. He got a "Razzy" for "Showgirls"
didnt he?
> Very NOT politically correct director commentary. And, yet,
> nothing about homosexual asshole nurses. Odd.
Maybe you can find "De vierde Man" (The Fourth Man) in some cult video
store.
Paul is digging a bit, in lets say, homosexuality.
>>> Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
>>> back.
>>Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
>>general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?
>>Why is that?
> I believe it's because as one of the qualifications of a truly Ugly
> American, we must refrain from learning ANYTHING about any culture
> other than our own. Xenophobia rocks!
Yeah, well... i believe you guys are 100 times bigger then we are.
Thats probably another reason.
>>Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send
>>to
>>see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say
>>10
>>million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
>>And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?
>>Just kidding, of course.... ;)
> That's a quote from An Officer and a Gentleman, something like, "Oh,
> yeah, you don't have friends... only CUSTOMERS!" Foley to Mayo at some
> point in the flick.
> Anyway, I thought that gun owners all had lots of friends. The larger
> the caliber, the larger number of friends, right?
If that was true they would be standing in line...
> Picture Brink,
> waving a Glock in one hand, combing his hair with the other, and
> repeating, "Am I tall? Is my hair thick? We're gonna be good friends,
> aren't we?"
> Hmm. Well, I can't be funny all the time.
Well, if you actually visualize the above...
----
Pete
Curt James
<jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
[...]
>but he's always glad to play Captain Google for the n00bs
Who? Captain who?
I do believe it's... dant-dant-DAAANNNN!!!!
CapTAIN ~*GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-GLE!*~
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/captgoogle.jpg
Are you feeling lucky?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Pete
>>but he's always glad to play Captain Google for the n00bs
> Who? Captain who?
> I do believe it's... dant-dant-DAAANNNN!!!!
> CapTAIN ~*GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-GLE!*~
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/captgoogle.jpg
AAAHHHH !!!!
Hilarious Curt!
> Are you feeling lucky?
I do.
That picture has a striking resemblence with these things we use at the
shooting club.
----
Pete
msamson
cholesterol in whole egg powder.
Pete
> 80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
> cholesterol in whole egg powder.
Come on... its not so bad.
I really think you got some answers, inluding the ones from John and David.
Who do not particularly seem to like you.
DZ responded to the initial post;
"Common sense tells me the concentration of crosslinked products is
hundreds times higher in a piece of grilled meat. And they are much
nastier there because of the presence of creatine in meat. But a part
of human evolution took place in an environment where fire was used in
food preparation. So an argument can be made that "it's all natural
for us"."
But then you followed up by asking a different question;
"Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure isolated
whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine white?
BCAA's white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this just the
colour of aminos?"
Did you read Toms post? I did. Very interesting...
Trust me when i say that this NG can provide you with a shitload of
information about nutrition and training.
I wont even mention the pharmacueticals.
If *I* wanted to know something about certain aminos/whey protein/sodium, i
would ask it here. And within 12 hours, i will get at least 10 good answers,
if not more.
But if you whould ask me what my opinion of ethystrenol is, i would say its
pretty fucking useless for a man. If you answer by saying that in your
opinion its a very good AS, i would stop the conversation.
I hope you understand the above example...
----
Pete
msamson
> pretty fucking useless for a man. If you answer by saying that in your
> opinion its a very good AS, i would stop the conversation.
> I hope you understand the above example...
>
> ----
> Pete
Good post Pete, and you're right. I did receive info and thanks for
that. I now realize that glutamate in whey powder is negligable and
cross linking aminos are not an issue. I guess i'll just hope that the
protein that Pureprotein.com has isn't treated with chemicals to form
the concentrate. After that it's all done under a "cold environment"
apparently through the CFM.
With respect to the egg powder, I already know the answer. There is
alot of oxidized cholesterol in there so i'll just stick to real eggs
and supplement with whey.
Thanks for the help (and the entertainment).
Art S
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:s_Ggg.9019$921....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>>
>> Hey Curt, I agree...this guy is a fucking wacko.
>
> You AND Curt don't like me? Man, that's depressing.
>
Aw, poor baby.
Need a couple flankies?
Art
Curt James
>"Curt James" <cwj...@psu.edu> schreef:
>
>> See? I hate you, too.
>
>> So, let's take a look at my list of hate...
>
>> [x] tom
>> [x] DZ
>> [x] Pete
>
>Hey... wait a minute!
>I am number 3 AND ahead of John???????
>
>I want to be number 1....
The list is not ranked or sequential, it's arranged at random. My
hatred burns like the sun for each of you. And I forgot Dally! I hate
her, too. And all her pets. (Does she have pets?) Her kid is off
limits until he turns 13 at which time general apathy will go
supernova and I will hate him like everyone else here.
>> [x] JMW
>> [x] Queen
>> [x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
>> jealous.)
>> [x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
>> you. Bastard!)
>> [x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
>> prick!)
>> [x] Om
>> [x] Larry
>> [x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
>> [x] Hanson
>> [x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
>> reason I need.)
>
>Steve uses "kettlebelles", Curt...
>Other then that, he seems like a nice guy.
Kettle whats?
[x] Freides (Strange Exercise Equipment from another Planet! Reason
enough to hate.)
[x] joanne (NO bikini pics posted = h-a-t-r-e-d. WTF?)
[x] PFT30K (Cooking steroids, but never cooks enough for EVERYONE!)
[x] Will Brink (Doesn't like Rap music.)
[x] Tambi
[x] q_q_anonymous (HEY, THAT'S NOT HIS REAL NAME AND BLAAAAAAHHHH!!!!)
[x] Ranieri (Man, I can't even BEGIN to pronounce that name = hatred!)
[x] Mr. Natural-Health
[x] Davide
> > There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill
One hour on the Life Fitness Treadmill.
Sweat happens.
>> and must stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than
>> enough hate to go around!
>
>My lower arms are still 15 inch after a HARD session...
Oh, man. Volume 2 of "Why I hate Pete!" Look for it on Amazon.com.
--
Curt
David Cohen
"Art S" <thedab...@earthlink.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> "msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>>>
>>> Hey Curt, I agree...this guy is a fucking wacko.
>>
>> You AND Curt don't like me? Man, that's depressing.
>>
> Aw, poor baby.
>
> Need a couple flankies?
<sob> Yes :(
But I'd really prefer them to look like Shania and Faith.
David
Art S
Oh. Understandable, but, given that restriction, I don't think
can I provide much help.
Good luck.
Art
JMW
'Fraid I can't help ya there. However, I am considering printing up
T-shirts:
Will Brink
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
> > most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
> > plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my kids
> > like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
> > sandwich or anything else to get in the way.
>
> No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels.
Which is?
> From his posts
> he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED with it
> and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep it that
> way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I rather eat it
> that way.
Will Brink
"msamson" <msamso...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I'm not sure if you are all here to argue or what. I really don't care
> about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
> isolate cold filtered.
Pretty much all you will ever need to know:
msamson
Mr. Brink,
It's a pleasure to have you in this newsgroup. In fact, I read that
article during my researching of whey proteins. This is why I settled
for whey isolate CFM cold filtered if I get any powder at all.
I have not looked at your website in depth but will assume you have
nothing to gain from promoting powders. Would you say that in your
honest opinion and expertise, that using a whey isolate will positively
enhance one's gains and health if they already have a decent amount of
protein in the diet?
I have already ruled out casein and egg powders for health reasons, so
only remains whey isolate CFM cold filtered....or nothing. I did alot
of googling on this newsgroup and found that someone (Lyle?) indicates
that whey digests too fast. I found this snippet too that "Lyle"
wrote:
"whey is vastly overrated and I have the clinical research to totally
prove it.
Casein is a much better general use protein.
Jeff Feliciano and I are going to write an article about it for Flex. "
So as you can see, i'm a little confused on whether whey is worth to
take or not. Your honest answer is greatly appreciated.
Pete
> I have already ruled out casein and egg powders for health reasons, so
> only remains whey isolate CFM cold filtered....or nothing. I did alot
> of googling on this newsgroup and found that someone (Lyle?) indicates
> that whey digests too fast. I found this snippet too that "Lyle"
> wrote:
> "whey is vastly overrated and I have the clinical research to totally
> prove it.
> Casein is a much better general use protein.
> Jeff Feliciano and I are going to write an article about it for Flex. "
> So as you can see, i'm a little confused on whether whey is worth to
> take or not. Your honest answer is greatly appreciated.
When it comes to nutrition i would trust both Lyle and Will...
But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the whey
protein?
Like i said, just curiues.
For myself, i make "protein" shakes with skimmed milk, added by whole *milk*
powder, NOT protein powder, and a few bananas. I get the rest of my protein
from eggs, fish, meat. I can assure,you i get a LOT of protein.
Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
shakes.
One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.
----
Pete
msamson
>
Thanks for the reference. I just hope they don't have -opposite-
opinions!
> But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the whey
> protein?
> Like i said, just curiues.
Basically because I don't want to spend money for something that does
either nothing, or hinders my health. It's the same reason i'm
critical about fish oil, other supplements, etc. I like to gather as
much knowledge as I can myself in order to make an informed critical
decision instead of just going by what the masses believe.
>
> For myself, i make "protein" shakes with skimmed milk, added by whole *milk*
> powder, NOT protein powder, and a few bananas. I get the rest of my protein
> from eggs, fish, meat. I can assure,you i get a LOT of protein.
Seems like it.
>
> Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
> shakes.
> One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.
Why only once or twice per year? Why not more often? Or is it because
you are cutting or bulking at certain times?
So overall, i'm assuming you are making decent gains WITHOUT whey
powder, yes? So, if you would add the powder would it:
1. help gain more
2. give you --too much-- protein
3. do nothing
Pete
> Thanks for the reference. I just hope they don't have -opposite-
> opinions!
>> But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the
>> whey
>> protein?
>> Like i said, just curiues.
> Basically because I don't want to spend money for something that does
> either nothing, or hinders my health. It's the same reason i'm
> critical about fish oil, other supplements, etc. I like to gather as
> much knowledge as I can myself in order to make an informed critical
> decision instead of just going by what the masses believe.
Seems like we have something in common.
I HATE to spend money on gimmicks that dont work. Which is why i use a
cheap, generic multi/vit/min tab everyday.
And lots of protein from animal sources.
The fish oil i get is from sandwisches with sardines, and a raw haring every
nowc and then.
(we eat raw fish over here...)
And of course the steak is consumed medium/rare.
>> Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
>> shakes.
>> One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.
> Why only once or twice per year? Why not more often? Or is it because
> you are cutting or bulking at certain times?
Oh.
Because i increase the intake of protein while on steroids. I increase the
intake in food a bit, and throw a few extra spoons in the shakes. I am NOT
gonna eat 7 times a day. No way.
> So overall, i'm assuming you are making decent gains WITHOUT whey
> powder, yes?
I became aware of "Whey" protein because i read it here in this NG, about 6
years ago.
Before that i consumed mainly "plain" milk protein. And still do.
2 liters of skimmed milk and some whole milk powder. Very cheap AND very
effective.
I made *excellent* gains without Whey.
I mean, come on... the stuff was considered a side "effect" for years, and
now its the magic bullet?
> So, if you would add the powder would it:
> 1. help gain more
> 2. give you --too much-- protein
> 3. do nothing
I suspect 1
But i do it, because fore me its very convienient.
An extra steak, 200 grams or so, or 6 extra eggs would have the same effect.
Although i have to admit that the quick "absorption" might help a bit.
I know people who spend a few hundred Euros each month on Whey, and dont
gain anything.
Stick to regular milk protein, and use the Whey to supplement that. Best
option i think.
----
Pete
msamson
> cheap, generic multi/vit/min tab everyday.
Do you notice a difference in how you feel, or is it possible that
you're pissing most of it out?
> (we eat raw fish over here...)
Where exactly are you? I have been trying to find sashimi grade fish
with no luck. I love raw mackerel.
> Because i increase the intake of protein while on steroids. I increase the
Just curious what steroids you take.
> 2 liters of skimmed milk and some whole milk powder. Very cheap AND very
> effective.
Are you fairly lean or smooth? Wouldn't that much milk sugar be alot
of carbs resulting in too much excess energy?
JMW
But WITH copious amounts of anabolic-androgenic steroids. You really
should add that little proviso when making such statements.
>I mean, come on... the stuff was considered a side "effect" for years, and
>now its the magic bullet?
It's a matter of timing, and the literature supports that more and
more each year.
Tom Anderson
>
> "Tom Anderson" <tw...@urchin.earth.li> wrote
>> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, msamson wrote:
>>
>>>> As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
>>>> most healthy people.
>>>
>>> No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels. From his
>>> posts he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED
>>> with it and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep
>>> it that way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I
>>> rather eat it that way.
>>
>> I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.
>
> Oh, Tom, we didn't want to have to break it to you this way, but, your
> doctor called. You have Congenital Impacted Flatulence Syndrome, and
> only have a few months left. We are SO sorry :(
If you're trying to tell me i'm dealing with a major pain in the arse,
then i knew that.
tom
--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller
Tom Anderson
> Tom Anderson <tw...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.
>>
>> tom
>
> See? I hate you, too.
Would it help if i said i don't have any health issues *yet*?
Tom Anderson
> 80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
> cholesterol in whole egg powder.
So buy a mass spectrometer and get to it! Chop chop!
Tom Anderson
> "Tom Anderson" <tw...@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>>> Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure
>>> isolated whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine
>>> white? BCAA's white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this
>>> just the colour of aminos?
>
>> The latter. Basically, most substances are colourless - it's only if
>> they have funky molecular orbitals that they absorb light in the
>> visible spectrum.
>
> Seems like i can forget about actually seeing Orange steroids after this
> post (good one, btw...)
Well, if you can find a chemist of fortune around your parts, you might be
able to get him to knock one up. Maybe stick a carboxyl group on the
3-position of beta-carotene, then esterify it to one of the hydroxyls on
the steroid, and hope that cellular esterases knock it off; might even
improve the pharmacodynamics ...
Okay, enough some-way-beyond-the-stuff-i-really-know-about chemistry.
> But somehow, i suspect these diabolical scientiest found a way a to
> "bleach" all this stuff white, so it can be sold more easily...
Ach, we're rumbled!