Reasonable expectations for gaining mass
mjoann
I'm not the most athletic person; I've always been skinny and wimpy. In
the last year, I *finally* put on some weight and look more like a
normal person. I am 5'2" 105 lbs now, and my BMI and body fat percentage
are just at the lowest end of "normal."
Here's my problem:
I have a terrible figure due to a tiny upper body frame. My bust is
32.5" and my below bust rib cage measurement is 26". This isn't totally
due to being thin, in fact, my ribs are completely covered and do not
show. My waist is 24.5" and my hips are 35.5" which I am totally fine
with. I know I will always be pear shaped, but I would like to gain some
mass in my upper body to get clothes to fit better.
I've been lifting weights to gain mass and can see a difference in my
arms and shoulders. I had to start pretty light and have worked up to 5
lbs (hey, no laughing!;) I am working my lats to get a wider back, etc.
My question is: what is a reasonable goal for a woman as far as inches
of mass gained in the chest? I'm not looking to be in contests or
anything like that, of course. I have a 3" difference between my bust
and hips, and have read that the average woman has a 2" difference, and
we all know the ideal is to be even. I'd like to at least reach the
average which would require a 1" gain. Is this possible with a moderate
(three times a week) workout? What can I reasonably expect to gain if I
work up in weight over a couple years? (Or would it even take that long?)
I'd love to hear from other women who have gained upper body mass, or
anyone that has first hand experience or examples.
Thanks,
Mjoann
T
The good news is that if develop a reasonable level of upper body strength
you'll probably be around even. Do big exercises; specifically, squat, bench
and row. Use the machines until you're strong enough to use a barbell, then
switch to the barbell.
Come back for more when you can upright row the barbell.
Expect to get stronger fast for a couple of months; beginner's gains are wonderful.
Curt James
SNIP
> I'm not the most athletic person; I've always
> been skinny
> What can I reasonably expect to gain if I
> work up in weight over a couple years? (Or would
Expectations are just that. Individuals and their response to weights
vary incredibly. Regardless, get training and report back.
> it even take that long?) I'd love to hear from
> other women who have gained upper body mass, or
> anyone that has first hand experience or examples.
SNIP
How about second hand?
http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html
At 6'0" and 150 lbs. as a 15-year-old, I was all about the skinny as
well. With Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig, et al. littered across the
strip malls, you'd think they would've had a place specifically set up
for the bone biscuits.
Very best of luck.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
mct546
I thought women's breast tissue was all fat, and that benching, etc.
would AT BEST develop the muscle behind the breast, giving them a lift.
No amount of chest exercise will make them bigger. True?
Implants...
On the subject of breasts, for a woman who does not plan to be a
fitness model, I would say don't worry about it honey. I like them big,
I like them small, I like them all. What I have experienced was this
chic, who had B's but they were too soft, like squishy even. I got the
hell out of there....
:)
T
> It sounds like she just wants bigger breasts...
>
> I thought women's breast tissue was all fat, and that benching, etc.
> would AT BEST develop the muscle behind the breast, giving them a lift.
> No amount of chest exercise will make them bigger. True?
Makes your chest bigger and your tits perkier; doesn't make the breasts
themselves bigger, though.
mjoann
> It sounds like she just wants bigger breasts...
>
> I thought women's breast tissue was all fat, and that benching, etc.
> would AT BEST develop the muscle behind the breast, giving them a
> lift. No amount of chest exercise will make them bigger. True?
Heck no, I am not asking for bigger breasts. I'm already a natural B+
which looks fine on my little frame. You can't exercise them bigger
anyway; I know better than that. If I wanted bigger breasts, I wouldn't
be working my lats, arms, shoulders, etc. I really just want more "mass"
because I have a very small rib cage, and barely any "V" shape to my
torso. My proportions look fine from front to back, it is just from side
to side that my chest is narrower than my hips. I was just wondering
what can of gains an average woman can expect. For instance, will I have
to work like crazy to add an extra 1" or is 2" relatively simple, etc.
It is hard for me to envision how much "work" creates how much muscle.
mjoann
Doc O'Leary
mjoann <xtcmu...@netscape.com> wrote:
> I was just wondering
> what can of gains an average woman can expect. For instance, will I have
> to work like crazy to add an extra 1" or is 2" relatively simple, etc.
> It is hard for me to envision how much "work" creates how much muscle.
It can't be said because it varies so much from person to person. There
are lifestyle choices and major genetic factors that influence how
easily your body can be built. You almost sound like you're using "spot
reduction" thinking in reverse. Yes, you can focus your efforts on a
particular area, but exactly how your body deals with those efforts is
guesswork for anyone here. You're posting to fitness groups, so the
main topic should be fitness, and not some media-induced image of what
you're "supposed to" look like.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> mct546 wrote:
> > It sounds like she just wants bigger breasts...
> >
> > I thought women's breast tissue was all fat, and that benching, etc.
> > would AT BEST develop the muscle behind the breast, giving them a
> > lift. No amount of chest exercise will make them bigger. True?
Correct, but net result is still the same, ie, bigger looking breasts.
> Heck no, I am not asking for bigger breasts. I'm already a natural B+
> which looks fine on my little frame.
What you want to do is workout on a Pec Fly machine at a gym or you can
do dumbbell flies, or dips on parallel bars.
The reason women fail at developing their breasts/muscles is because
they insist on using laughably light weights. I can use 120 pounds on
pec fly machine at my gym. The machines goes up a lot higher than
that. Yet, you will see women working out with only 20 or 40 pounds at
most.
If you actually try to push the poundage up, you should get at least
one cup size bigger.
T
Curt James
> I was just wondering what can of gains
> an average woman can expect. For instance,
> will I have to work like crazy to add an
> extra 1" or is 2" relatively simple, etc.
> It is hard for me to envision how much
> "work" creates how much muscle.
Again: "Expectations are just that. Individuals and their response to
weights vary incredibly. Regardless, get training and report back."
Franco Columbu, chiropractor and former Mr. Universe, Mr. Olympia,
stated that so far as "work" is related to bodybuilding, that people
shouldn't attempt to work /just hard enough/ to tone or define, but
rather that they should work like hell. His opinion was that it's very
difficult for the majority of individuals to gain muscle mass and,
therefore, half-assed wasn't gonna cut it.
Another respondent (elsewhere in this thread) just commented on the
ridiculously light weights used by many. My recommendation is to
constantly strive to increase the intensity of your workouts - greater
weights, less rest between sets, more reps, progressing, progressing,
progressing!
Plus lats could be less the focus and delts/side delts and traps could
be *more* the focus. Have you ever seen a photo of a woman with great
traps and awesome shoulders? Hella sexay!
Best of luck with your serious training. AND PLEASE READ THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OFFERED. Or, yeah, you could just repeat the same
question over and over until someone tells you what you'd like to hear.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> So you're at least a D cup, right?
Whenever I step into dog shit, I just wipe it off on the sidewalk.
Unfortunately, some of the lowest forms of life inhabit MFW. Luckily
they don't visit my gym.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> I know I will always be pear shaped, but I would like to gain some
> mass in my upper body to get clothes to fit better.
>
> I've been lifting weights to gain mass and can see a difference in my
> arms and shoulders. I had to start pretty light and have worked up to 5
> lbs (hey, no laughing!;)
Unless that is a typo, and you are NOT in fact working out with 50
pound dumbbells, that is indeed a laughably light weight. Females who
insist on restricting themselves to laughably light weights, surely are
not taking their bodybuilding seriously. Nor, can their reading skills
or perception of reality be all that great, either.
There is one exception however. You can expand your rib cage by
stretching it in order to make it bigger. All bodybuilders with a
distinctively large rib cage have by training stretched out their rib
cage. You can do this with triceps pullovers where the emphasis is on
stretching rather than on using maximum weight (ie, training to
failure).
Also, nutrition is a big part of building muscle mass. In order to
build large muscle mass, as well as to maintain it, you have to eat
like a pig every day.
Muscle mass is not a commodity, like a dress, that you simply can buy
in a store.
Just thought that all you girlies, and girlie-men, out there might want
to know.
JMW
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
Why don't you post an image of yourself so we can see how you have put
this into practice, Mr. Gohde? You have your own web site, your own
domain name, and all sorts of web space, so why no images of yourself?
Pony up, Mr. Gohde. Lets see some graphic proof of your expertise.
Curt James
> "john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
> <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
> Why don't you post an image of yourself so
> we can see how you have put this into practice,
> Mr. Gohde? You have your own web site, your own
> domain name, and all sorts of web space, so why
> no images of yourself?
>
> Pony up, Mr. Gohde. Lets see some graphic proof
> of your expertise.
That's a reasonable request, imo, however Ellington Darden has an
equally reasonable reply to that request, JMW. I have several of his
books, but I can't find the exact quote. Still, the gist of it is that
just because someone is the physical ultimate, say a 1970's
Schwarzenegger or a current-day take your pick champion bodybuilder,
does not mean they have the best information available so far as
increasing lean bodyweight and functional strength and power.
In short, Mr. Gohde's image may very likely be irrelevant to the worth
or value of his advice.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Curt James wrote:
> just because someone is the physical ultimate, say a 1970's
> Schwarzenegger or a current-day take your pick champion bodybuilder,
> does not mean they have the best information available so far as
> increasing lean bodyweight and functional strength and power.
In the movie "Pumping Iron" Schwarzenegger states that "He lied" to the
"Hulk" when he asked for bodybuilding advice. Seems that
Schwarzenegger also said "I lied" in one or two of his his hit movies,
like "Terminator 3."
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> >Muscle mass is not a commodity, like a dress, that you simply can buy
> >in a store.
> >
> >Just thought that all you girlies, and girlie-men, out there might want
> >to know.
>
> Pony up, Mr. Gohde. Lets see some graphic proof of your expertise.
I see that you read my post on the "Girlie-Man" thread, Girlie-Man.
Rest assured, JMW, I am prettier, more muscular, stronger, and can use
between 3 or 4 times the weight being pumped by most of the females at
my gym. Since, we are talking dumb stupid females, here, that really
is not very hard to do. Like most bodybuilders, I also have bigger
muscular breasts than any flat chested female that I know has. And, I
also have a great pair of legs too, thanks to my mother and a set of
well developed calf muscles.
Just exactly what part of that do you find threatening, Girlie-Man?
I ended my post with a call to all Girlie-Men, and JMW was dumb enough
to reply. You Girlie-Men can make your own conclusions. Ha, ... Hah,
Ha!
TheBillRodgers
"john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>I see that you read my post on the "Girlie-Man" thread, Girlie-Man.
>
Yes Arnie, he did.
>Rest assured, JMW, I am prettier, more muscular, stronger, and can use
>between 3 or 4 times the weight being pumped by most of the females at
>my gym.
He reminds me of Kramer taking karate, in a class of children.
> Since, we are talking dumb stupid females, here, that really
>is not very hard to do. Like most bodybuilders, I also have bigger
>muscular breasts than any flat chested female that I know has. And, I
>also have a great pair of legs too, thanks to my mother
I bet she "massaged" those legs (amongst other things) for you? Is
that why they're so big?
> and a set of
>well developed calf muscles.
>
Sheep are better.
>Just exactly what part of that do you find threatening, Girlie-Man?
>
Your penis and buttocks.
>I ended my post with a call to all Girlie-Men, and JMW was dumb enough
>to reply. You Girlie-Men can make your own conclusions. Ha, ... Hah,
>Ha!
"You're gay" is mine.
TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
Curt James
> In the movie "Pumping Iron" Schwarzenegger
> states that "He lied" to the "Hulk" when he
> asked for bodybuilding advice. Seems that
> Schwarzenegger also said "I lied" in one or
> two of his hit movies, like "Terminator 3."
What the hell are you talking about? Serves me right.
I demand you post a picture to back up the benefits of your so-called
natural health perspective. I wasn't slamming Schwarzenegger, I was
saying that just because a person may NOT be the physical ideal doesn't
automatically mean they don't understand what it takes to achieve good
health and a good physique.
You're not picking on Ah-nuld, are you? Because that's not cutting it.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
JMW
[1] Even Lyle posted his pics.
[2] Gohde has been a kook in sci.med.nutrition for a long time. Only
recently has he taken up an interest in resistance training. Now he
wants to set himself up as an expert on that subject. And as usual,
he will proclaim himself to be right without a shred of legitimate
support in science or experience. At best, he simply regurgitates
what he has Googled.
[3] Given that he lacks evidence of knowledge in terms of science or
experience, perhaps he could offer an image, eh?
JMW
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>JMW wrote:
>
>> >Muscle mass is not a commodity, like a dress, that you simply can buy
>> >in a store.
>> >
>> >Just thought that all you girlies, and girlie-men, out there might want
>> >to know.
>>
>> Pony up, Mr. Gohde. Lets see some graphic proof of your expertise.
>
>I see that you read my post on the "Girlie-Man" thread, Girlie-Man.
>
>Rest assured, JMW, I am prettier, more muscular, stronger, and can use
>between 3 or 4 times the weight being pumped by most of the females at
>my gym. Since, we are talking dumb stupid females, here, that really
>is not very hard to do. Like most bodybuilders, I also have bigger
>muscular breasts than any flat chested female that I know has. And, I
>also have a great pair of legs too, thanks to my mother and a set of
>well developed calf muscles.
Like many here, I have posted images, documented my lifts through a
recognized powerlifting association or on videotape, and my advice can
be supported by scientific study. You on the other hand, make claims
without evidence and proclaim yourself right, probably in a vain
effort to make yourself believe your own bullshit.
>Just exactly what part of that do you find threatening, Girlie-Man?
You're not threatening, Mr. Natural. You're an annoying kook.
However, I see value in responding to you because newbies might think
you actually know what you're talking about it. I would hate to see
them suffer by believing you.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> >Just exactly what part of that do you find threatening, Girlie-Man?
>
> You're not threatening, Mr. Natural. You're an annoying kook.
You are like Dick Diggler in the movie "Boogie Nights". The
Girlie-Man, JMW, enjoyed it when he was welcomed as the new kid on the
block, but finds the appearance of a new kid in MFM very threatening.
The only difference, of course, is that the Girlie-Man's Dick is no
bigger than a stick of lipstick. You have my condolences, Girlie-Man.
Just my opinion, but it is really very hard to be wrong when dealing
with a bunch of Dick-Heads.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Curt James wrote:
> john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>
> > In the movie "Pumping Iron" Schwarzenegger
> > states that "He lied" to the "Hulk" when he
> > asked for bodybuilding advice. Seems that
> > Schwarzenegger also said "I lied" in one or
> > two of his hit movies, like "Terminator 3."
>
> What the hell are you talking about? Serves me right.
Are you dumb, or just ignorant?
Lou Ferrigno, AKA the "Green Hulk" asked Schwarzenegger for
bodybuilding posing advise, as if Arnold was really going to tell him
how to beat him. And, Schwarzenegger said that "He Lied."
Are you dense, or just mentally challenged?
JMW
Curt James
> Are you dumb, or just ignorant?
Dumb's relative and we're all ignorant of at least one or two things.
Just a guess, but I suspect I'm correct on both points.
> Lou Ferrigno, AKA the "Green Hulk"
So you've seen an actor portray the gray Hulk, genius? Plus Eric Bana
has also played the green Hulk. Maybe you forgot that. Maybe *you're
ignorant* of that fact or, yeah, plain ol' garden variety *d-u-m-b*
yerownself, John.
> asked Schwarzenegger for bodybuilding
> posing advise, as if Arnold was really
> going to tell him how to beat him. And,
> Schwarzenegger said that "He Lied."
I think you lied, pal. Where, in Pumping Iron, does big Lou ask Arnold
for advice? His father is seen giving posing advice and Arnold may have
offered *unsolicited* advice to Ferrigno, but I don't recall Louie
asking Schwarzenegger for anything.
I do remember Arnold discussing giving the wrong /adviceS/ to Franco,
but nothing about Lou and /posing tutoring/ at all. Yeah, I suppose I'm
retroactively ignorant.
> Are you dense, or just mentally challenged?
Well, we all have a certain density. I believe JMW was interested in
your density as a matter of fact. Are you a butterball or do you have
some muscle to show as verification that your
natural health perspective's not skewed. Yeah, are /you/ dense? If so,
prove it.
And let me mentally challenge you additionally by repeating my
question: What the hell are you talking about?
JMW asked for a picture of you because your Web pages offer nothing so
far as verification that you have a body at all. Are you, perhaps, a
head on a plate? Some science fiction/horror movie abomination?
I replied to JMW's post with a few words in your defense. (What a
maroon am I! And, no, Johnny, that WASN'T a question. I get the Goob
award for taking sides or even offering a different perspective perhaps
beneficial to your apparently lost cause.)
The gist of my reply was that your picture or any image of you is
rather unnecessary because a superior physique (which, I strongly
suspect you're sorely lacking) is indeed NOT a prerequisite for weight
training or exercise knowledge. I mentioned Schwarzenegger in passing
simply as an example of a superior physique back in the 70's and, yes,
beyond.
And then, remarkably - well, inexplicably - you bounce in here again
with your "HE LIED!" post. Utter crap. What gives? I mean, you've got
balls asking if I'm ignorant, dumb, etc.
In short (again), in lieu of a suitable personality, Mr. Gohde, your
image may very likely be necessary to make up for a stunning lack of
newsgroup interaction skills.
In other words, Fuck you, Johnny!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
SNIP
> [1] Even Lyle posted his pics.
> [2] Gohde has been a kook in sci.med.
> nutrition for a long time. Only recently
> has he taken up an interest in resistance
> training. Now he wants to set himself up
> as an expert on that subject. And as usual,
> he will proclaim himself to be right without
> a shred of legitimate support in science or
> experience. At best, he simply regurgitates
> what he has Googled.
> [3] Given that he lacks evidence of knowledge
> in terms of science or experience, perhaps he
> could offer an image, eh?
Agreed. And do forgive me for siding even slightly with this apparent
kook. I'm returning to the treadmill and shutting my mouth.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
re John Gohde
> You're an annoying kook.
Aha! I confess to stealing 'moonbat' on at least one occasion, but I
swear that I arrived at 'kook' independent of your post, JMW. No
surprise there.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
David Cohen
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> JMW wrote:
>
> re John Gohde
>
>> You're an annoying kook.
>
> Aha! I confess to stealing 'moonbat' on at least one occasion, but I
> swear that I arrived at 'kook' independent of your post, JMW. No
> surprise there.
Now, if we can get the secret out of sci.med.nutrition as to how they drove
him away.
David
JMW
>
>I replied to JMW's post with a few words in your defense. (What a
>maroon am I! And, no, Johnny, that WASN'T a question. I get the Goob
>award for taking sides or even offering a different perspective perhaps
>beneficial to your apparently lost cause.)
Gittin' in bed wi' dogs'll getcha fleas, boy. Dincha daddy ever tell
ya that?
Same goes for getting in bed with kooks and trolls, Curt.
Gohde has been spreading his health food lunacy in sci.med.nutrition
for years. It appears that someone talked him into joining a gym, so
now the nitwit thinks he knows resistance training. Maybe if we show
what a moron he is, he'll crawl back to MSN and bother them.
JMW
>JMW wrote:
>
>re John Gohde
>
>> You're an annoying kook.
>
>Aha! I confess to stealing 'moonbat' on at least one occasion, but I
>swear that I arrived at 'kook' independent of your post, JMW. No
>surprise there.
Neither is my original, but the definition of "kook" is well
established:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/K/kook.html
Godhe is a serious kook. He has his own
http://www.naturalhealthperpective.com domain, and he is on a quest to
create to create a health food encyclopedia -- I think through
Wikipedia -- where his entries include his paranoid musings about all
the people who are out to get him. He is a nutjob extraordinaire.
Oops! I just noticed that Wikipedia now has a "moonbat" definition,
too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat
But I didn't see Henry Hansteen's name listed in the "See Also"
section.
Charles
>"john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
><john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>
>>JMW wrote:
>>
>>> >Muscle mass is not a commodity, like a dress, that you simply can buy
>>> >in a store.
>>> >
>>> >Just thought that all you girlies, and girlie-men, out there might want
>>> >to know.
>>>
>>> Pony up, Mr. Gohde. Lets see some graphic proof of your expertise.
>>
>>I see that you read my post on the "Girlie-Man" thread, Girlie-Man.
>>
>>Rest assured, JMW, I am prettier, more muscular, stronger, and can use
>>between 3 or 4 times the weight being pumped by most of the females at
>>my gym. Since, we are talking dumb stupid females, here, that really
>>is not very hard to do. Like most bodybuilders, I also have bigger
>>muscular breasts than any flat chested female that I know has. And, I
>>also have a great pair of legs too, thanks to my mother and a set of
>>well developed calf muscles.
>
>Like many here, I have posted images, documented my lifts through a
>recognized powerlifting association or on videotape, and my advice can
>be supported by scientific study. You on the other hand, make claims
>without evidence and proclaim yourself right, probably in a vain
>effort to make yourself believe your own bullshit.
Those of us who have been here for any length of time will agree with
all of the above, given the lengths you have gone to over the years to
orgiastically display your pumped up vanity both pictorially and
cerebrally, by constant exposure to very dated looked oiled up 1920's
type poses (complete with moustache), and interminably long
pseudo-scientific ramblings on all manner of medical and scientific
matters, garnered from the four corners of the Internet courtesy of
Google.
>
>>Just exactly what part of that do you find threatening, Girlie-Man?
>
>You're not threatening, Mr. Natural. You're an annoying kook.
>However, I see value in responding to you because newbies might think
>you actually know what you're talking about it. I would hate to see
>them suffer by believing you.
Your concern for the "newbies" is most gratifying and heart warming.
What we need now John, given that you have wandered into your sixth
decade, is some contemporary pictorial evidence that you are still the
towering colossus you claim you once were, together with some new
"scientific studies" on exciting new and emergent topics, given that
you are now the lone advocate of such esoteric exchanges.
Your eager public awaits your input with some anticipation.
Charles
>"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I replied to JMW's post with a few words in your defense. (What a
>>maroon am I! And, no, Johnny, that WASN'T a question. I get the Goob
>>award for taking sides or even offering a different perspective perhaps
>>beneficial to your apparently lost cause.)
>
>Gittin' in bed wi' dogs'll getcha fleas, boy. Dincha daddy ever tell
>ya that?
That's rich coming from a Group absolutely teeming with 'dog nuts'
(myself included), who put close contact with our canine friends as a
priority social nicety.
>
>Same goes for getting in bed with kooks and trolls, Curt.
I suspect that little gem has more to do with the old hackneyed Usenet
favourite: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
>
>Gohde has been spreading his health food lunacy in sci.med.nutrition
>for years. It appears that someone talked him into joining a gym, so
>now the nitwit thinks he knows resistance training. Maybe if we show
>what a moron he is, he'll crawl back to MSN and bother them.
I hold no remit for John Gohde (who Williams has been criticising and
ridiculing for years), but he appears to me to be no more extravagant
or irritatingly self promoting and confrontational, than John Williams
in his heyday.
David
"JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote in message
news:jrm9i1hkhnt97pid0...@4ax.com...
Neil Fabian has posted his image - was that much help to you?
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Curt James wrote:
> > You're an annoying kook.
Let me guess, Girlie-Man. I am an annoying kook because you find
threatening new people who give out correct advice on JMW?
You have my condolences.
Charles
wrote:
Now he's another of JW's long-term 'chums'. I wonder why he has so
many?
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
David wrote:
> > [1] Even Lyle posted his pics.
>
> Neil Fabian has posted his image - was that much help to you?
I suspect that the Girlie-Men in MFM use these images to jack-off with.
Just my opinion, but I am never wrong.
David
"Charles" <ch...@msn.net> wrote in message
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In fact, I have been wanting to post a image of myself for some time - only
problem is that I haven't found one yet that would do me justice.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
David wrote:
> > Now he's another of JW's long-term 'chums'. I wonder why he has so
> > many?
>
> In fact, I have been wanting to post a image of myself for some time - only
> problem is that I haven't found one yet that would do me justice.
Behold the banality of the the self important sheep.
So new, so cutting, so original, so utterly fucking dickless.
David
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
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That is a very important trait to have in this group - shared by quite a few
here in fact
>
David
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
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I'm sure that I agree with you, however would you mind explaining what this
post means?
Charles
wrote:
That doesn't surprise me given that most of your portfolio was
courtesy of the Australian Police Service.
How about that nice one of you having a donkey ride on the beach?
Charles
"john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
Now you are just living up to JW's expectations JG.
David the OZ is one of the good guys.
Charles
wrote:
I suspect it is something less than polite David, and JG may not prove
to be an acceptable new chum with whom to exchange.
It may just be that Williams is right for once.
David
It wasn't *my* portfolio that I was referring to - do I have to explain
*everything* to you??
(you aren;t confusing the shot where I was walking with my wife? - I was
walking the donkey not riding it)
David
That's the last time I will be nice to a troll!
David
I think you may have a point here, Charles. I guess his wit is of the 50%
variety
Curt James
> <johngohde@
SNIP
> would you mind explaining what this
> post means?
I snipped his post, but that was my exact question although worded
differently. What the hell is Gohde on about? It's just an insult
string with no content whatsoever.
And Charles, I believe you're right with the /enemy of my enemy/ thing,
but that makes Gohde no less a kook. I hope your weekend went well!
Mine went too quickly (as always).
HAGW! I know it's Monday, but that one's for Have A Great *Workout* per
Om. :o)
--
Curt
David
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For some people here, HAGW could mean "Have a good wank" - you're up early
Curt? (I used to be on this fitness regime - would get up really early,
punch the bag for half an hour, then get her to make my breakfast . .)
>
David
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > <johngohde@
> SNIP
>
> > would you mind explaining what this
> > post means?
>
> I snipped his post, but that was my exact question although worded
> differently. What the hell is Gohde on about? It's just an insult
> string with no content whatsoever.
My theory is that this is a secret code for an Al Quada cell somewhere -
when they see a string of 10 meaningless words together - they go out and
mug an old lady or something
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Curt James wrote:
> I snipped his post, but that was my exact question although worded
> differently. What the hell is Gohde on about? It's just an insult
> string with no content whatsoever.
You guys are going a very good job of operationally proving that you
neither exercise or have a life, since you are always babbling away on
this thread.
This thread ended about 40 posts ago. Just thought that you might want
to know.
David
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
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You sound like you have something jammed up your arse.If you pissed off,
sure we would miss you - but we'll get over it
TheBillRodgers
"john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>This thread ended about 40 posts ago. Just thought that you might want
>to know.
Um hey idiot? If they are still posting, it hasn't ended.
TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
TheBillRodgers
wrote:
>You sound like you have something jammed up your arse
It's in the MFW charter, "no posting without something jammed up your
arse". But since everyone here already owns electric buttplugs, no
change was needed.
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
>
> > What the hell is Gohde on about? It's just an
> > insult string with no content whatsoever.
>
> This thread ended about 40 posts ago.
Sooooooomeoooone can't cooooount!
The thread is *ongoing*, Johnny. JUST THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO
KNOW!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
>
> > > You're an annoying kook.
Excuse me, Mister Inaccuracy, but I didn't write what you've attributed
to me. Perhaps you'd like to pay closer attention prior to your next
so-called /post/.
> Let me guess, Girlie-Man.
I saw Dana Carvey and Kevin Nealon perform as Hans & Franz at the, I
believe it was the first, ASC. Hella funny stuff. *Unlike you*, of
course. Why, Gohde, I could easily flick you with my littlest finger,
and send you flying across the room until you landed in your own baby
poop. So please stop being such a PATHETIC LOSER, ja?
> I am an annoying kook
GLAD WE AGREE! :-D
Still, your acceptance of your own /moonbatishness/ is small
consolation.
> You have my condolences.
Thanks.
And I guess those with half a brain (I think I can muster at least
/half/ a brain out of my skull even AFTER reading one of your
mind-numbing responses...) will simply ignore you.
Buh-bye!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
David D. Dirksen
wrote:
>> Let me guess, Girlie-Man.
>
>I saw
Interesting that "GayCurt" responds willingly to "girlie man".
ReallyTBR
Curt James
> Interesting that "GayCurt" responds
> willingly to "girlie man".
> ReallyTBR
I don't have you killfiled, Bro (as in The Broken Record *always*), so
you don't have to change your nickname on my account. I'm - for the
most part - ignoring you. :-)
--
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
It is Sept 13th, A-Hole. What kind of a moron replies to a post that I
made some 2 weeks ago, now? This THREAD ended over 40 posts ago,
Loser!!!
Curt James
> This THREAD ended over 40 posts ago
I don't believe that's quite right, Johnny.
I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO KNOW! ;-)
--
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Curt James wrote:
> Why, Gohde, I could easily flick you with my littlest finger,
> and send you flying across the room until you landed in your own baby
> poop. So please stop being such a PATHETIC LOSER, ja?
This jerk teaches art to children and brags that he is weak.
MFW is dominated by a bunch of homo losers like this jerk who live on
these ngs because they don't have life or even a real job.
If you ain't strong, that means that you fundamentally don't have a
clue as to what you are doing.
Just my opinion, but James 'the Sissy-Boy' with pictures to prove it,
makes it all too easy to be correct.
The Bill Rodgers
"john...@naturalhealthperspective.com"
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>See:
>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/browse_thread/thread/b1c6bc09633deb5d/beae04ea79d620b3?lnk=st&q=gohde&rnum=2#beae04ea79d620b3
>
>This jerk teaches art to children and brags that he is weak.
>
>MFW is dominated by a bunch of homo losers like this jerk who live on
>these ngs because they don't have life or even a real job.
>
>If you ain't strong, that means that you fundamentally don't have a
>clue as to what you are doing.
>
>Just my opinion, but James 'the Sissy-Boy' with pictures to prove it,
>makes it all too easy to be correct.
He's an asswipe, and he knows it. At least he's not delusional.
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
<snip>
>
> This jerk
<snip>
Been busy? Or did it take you that long to come up with /this jerk/ as
a snappy zinger?
Nincompoop-Moonbat fits you. (I thought you just might like to know.)
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>Nincompoop-Moonbat fits you. (I thought you just might like to know.)
Watch out Moonbat, he's about to unleash his tiny "fists of fury" on
you.