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zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

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Jun 4, 1991, 3:19:32 PM6/4/91
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This is a small excerpt of an article which appeared in the Sunday, June 2
Cleveland Plain Dealer. Anyone wanting a copy of the article, please send me
email at zeitler%iccgcc...@consrt.rok.com and I will send it to you.

This is reprinted without permission.

AMBULAND DRIVER QUESTIONS JUSTICE
Friend say Cleveland man imprisioned after fatal crash was just doing his job.
by Scott Stephens.

April 26, 1989... "It was a clear and warm spring evening when Montecalvo
(Michael A.) and his partner, Rick Vanek, both moonlighting for LifeCare
Ambuland Service Inc. of Elyria, received a call of a reported traffic accident
involving three children and a baby in Elyria.

The two paramedics were driving through Lorain. They immediately flipped on
the emergency lights and siren and headed south to Elyria.

Most cars at the intersection of Broadway and Cooper Foster Park Rd. had come
to a halt. Montecalvo would later say he saw no traffic moving and that the
coast appeared to be clear.

For whatever reason, one car did not stop.

That car was driven by Angela M. Robinson of Lorain. As Montecalvo, traveling
south on Broadway, shot through the intersection, Robinson's car emerged from
the cube lane on Cooper Foster and pulled around the other idling vehicles.

The ambulance struck the car broadside. Robinson was thrown from the twisted
wreckage. The ambulance rolled on its side and slid 138 feet before stopping.

Montecalvo and Vanek, who were not seriously injured, leaped out and worked on
the victim in a futile attempt to save the young woman's life. Robinson,
who was seven weeks pregnant, died at St. Joseph Hospital in Lorain of extensive
skull fractures and a ruptured liver and spleen, according to the Lorain
County coroner's office.

Montecalvo was not drunk or on drugs, authorities said. He had an unblemished
driving record, not so much as a traffic ticket."

...

"On May 16, 1989, a Lorain County grand jury returned an indictment charging
Montecalvo with felony counts of aggravated vehicular homicide and involuntary
manslaughter involving the accident with Robinson. He also was indicted on
misdemeanor counts of reckless operation, not allowing an assured clear
distance, disobeying traffic signals and failing to proceed with caution through
a red light or stop sign in an emergency vehicle."

..

"A Lorain County jury found Montecalvo quilty of involuntary manslaughter, a
felony, and failing to proceed with caution through a red light or stop sign
in an emergency vehicle, a minor misdemeanor. He was acquitted of the other
charges.

Last September, the Ohio Court of Appeals, by a 2-1 vote, affirmed the
conviction. The Ohio Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal. Montecalvo
remained free on an appellate bond while the case was being appealed.

On March 8, Lorain County Common Pleas Judge Lynett M. McGough imposed a two-
to-10 year prision sentence. Montecalvo will be eligible for super shock
probation after serving six months, or straight parole after serving one
year and five months of his sentence."


This is a brief outline of this article. I don't remember anything about
this when it happened. I though it may be a good topic of conversation for
this group.

Judy.

zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

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Jun 5, 1991, 10:58:54 AM6/5/91
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The following two paragraphs I left out of my original posting. After
some consideration I think that they should be included.

In article <4782.2...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> This is a small excerpt of an article which appeared in the Sunday, June 2
> Cleveland Plain Dealer. Anyone wanting a copy of the article, please send me
> email at zeitler%iccgcc...@consrt.rok.com and I will send it to you.
>
> This is reprinted without permission.
>
> AMBULAND DRIVER QUESTIONS JUSTICE
> Friend say Cleveland man imprisioned after fatal crash was just doing his job.
> by Scott Stephens.

>> several paragraphs removed

>
> "On May 16, 1989, a Lorain County grand jury returned an indictment charging
> Montecalvo with felony counts of aggravated vehicular homicide and involuntary
> manslaughter involving the accident with Robinson. He also was indicted on
> misdemeanor counts of reckless operation, not allowing an assured clear
> distance, disobeying traffic signals and failing to proceed with caution through
> a red light or stop sign in an emergency vehicle."
>

"The case went to trial in September 1989. A prosecution acceident re-
construction expert testified the ambulance was traveling 60 to 65 mph when the
accident occurred. A defense expert placed the speed considerably lower.

Montecalvo said that the last time he could remember looking at the speedometer
- about a mile from the intersection - he was traveling at about 60 mph. But
he said he slowed down at the intersection.

> "A Lorain County jury found Montecalvo quilty of involuntary manslaughter, a
> felony, and failing to proceed with caution through a red light or stop sign
> in an emergency vehicle, a minor misdemeanor. He was acquitted of the other
> charges.
>

No where in the article does it state the speed limit in that area.

Judy

Sebastian Rueckert

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Jun 5, 1991, 11:06:33 PM6/5/91
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zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
> As Montecalvo, traveling
> south on Broadway, shot through the intersection....

>
> The ambulance struck the car broadside.
> The ambulance rolled on its side and slid 138 feet before stopping.
>
All of the training I have received in operating an emergency vehicle has
stressed several key points:

1) Always, always, ALWAYS slow down at intersections, check the coast and then
proceed through the intersection with CAUTION!

2) When you flip on those lights and then manage to get into an accident,
consider it to have been your fault.

When the newspaper article uses such loaded words as "shot" and an ambulance
(a very heavy vehicle) manages to slide 138 feet (!!) AFTER striking another car
broadside then I would tend to think that the ambulance driver did not
fulfill key point #1 above and most probably rightfully got caught on key
point #2.

Just my two bits
S. Rueckert
AEMT III

P.S. When I say "slow down" I mean 5-15mph... not 30 or 40.

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Floyd Davidson

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Jun 7, 1991, 9:41:15 AM6/7/91
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In article <CEMS-L%9106062...@MARIST.BITNET> PJ Geraghty <JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET> writes:
>In my EVOC class, we were told that ANY accidents that happened in the
>emergency mode were the fault of the emergency vehicle unless it was obviously
>the fault of the other driver. This, of course, makes very little sense. If

Depends on state law, which may vary, but it is probably pretty close
to the same everywhere. The particular laws that I have read (local ones
only) don't say anything about obvious fault of the other driver! It
just says ANY accident related to emergency lights is the fault of the
vehicle/driver with the lights. That could mean a car two blocks away
that smacks a telephone pole. It does make sense too. The entire purpose
of running with lights on is to distract everyones attention and focus
it on YOU. That is a significant risk. You definitely want it to work,
so you definitely are responsible for the results, good and bad.

(Keep in mind that that law applies to any "emergency vehicle". That
includes police cars. I don't know how they do it elsewhere, but in
the last few years it seems every police force around here has gone
to light bars that can be several combinations of colors front and
back, and they are *very* reluctant to turn on the red ones.)

>On a similar note, I was riding in an ambulance a few weeks ago when we came to
>a red stoplight. The three lanes ahead of use were all blocked, so one of the
>cars pulled out through the intersection (against the light). My driver
>blanched and swore quietly and when I asked him later what the problem was he
>replied that if the drivier of that car had gotten into an accident it would
>have been my driver's "fault". So we are now responsible for the unprovoked
>actions of idiot drivers.

That exact situation was covered in the first EMT course I ever took.
The instructor had had it happen to him. It was an enlightening
example of why red lights are not always necessary, or why one might
want to plan ahead and turn them off! (They ended up jumping the curb
into the oncoming lane because not one car on all four corners would
dare move! Scared 'em pretty bad too!)

>I don't think the medic in the story should have been charged, much less
>convicted, but that's the way the law stands. Changes must be made in the
>laws before the rest of us are safe from similar action.

Better to understand how to avoid it. Someone else has posted that
proceeding through an intersection at 5-10 MPH is appropriate. I
agree. Maybe slower sometimes too. And stopping first might help
too. Not getting to the scene or to the hospital is much worse
than being a few seconds slower (and we are talking mere seconds).

Floyd
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PJ Geraghty

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Jun 6, 1991, 5:49:52 PM6/6/91
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In my EVOC class, we were told that ANY accidents that happened in the
emergency mode were the fault of the emergency vehicle unless it was obviously
the fault of the other driver. This, of course, makes very little sense. If
the victim in the auto had lived, does anyone think she would have been charged
with failure-to-yield? Don't hold your breath. (apologies for the bad taste)

On a similar note, I was riding in an ambulance a few weeks ago when we came to
a red stoplight. The three lanes ahead of use were all blocked, so one of the
cars pulled out through the intersection (against the light). My driver
blanched and swore quietly and when I asked him later what the problem was he
replied that if the drivier of that car had gotten into an accident it would
have been my driver's "fault". So we are now responsible for the unprovoked
actions of idiot drivers.

I don't think the medic in the story should have been charged, much less


convicted, but that's the way the law stands. Changes must be made in the
laws before the rest of us are safe from similar action.

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zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

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Jun 7, 1991, 2:25:19 PM6/7/91
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In article <4789.2...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>> This is a small excerpt of an article which appeared in the Sunday, June 2
>> Cleveland Plain Dealer. Anyone wanting a copy of the article, please send me
>> email at zeitler%iccgcc...@consrt.rok.com and I will send it to you.
>>


The article is extremely long. Anyone liking a copy please send me your
mailing address (not email) or a fax number. I cannot spend the time or
energy to retype the whole article.

The reason why this is coming out again, is that the local politicians are
trying to get him pardoned etc. The article spends alot of time talking about
the work of the politicians, etc.

Judy

Ralph Sims

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Jun 7, 1991, 12:24:27 PM6/7/91
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JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty) writes:

> I don't think the medic in the story should have been charged, much less
> convicted, but that's the way the law stands. Changes must be made in the
> laws before the rest of us are safe from similar action.

Using emergency warning devices REQUESTS right-of-way, not demand it.
Just because statutes may allow variations from motor vehicle laws
doesn't mean that 50 miles an hour in city traffic is acceptable
practice. Looking for the 'deepest pocket' is common practice in
civil process and an emergency vehicle driver's personal auto insurance
or umbrella policy may be called on to pay settlements.

Caveat emptor.

William Dave Collins - E41

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Jun 7, 1991, 4:32:22 PM6/7/91
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In article <CEMS-L%9106062...@MARIST.BITNET>, JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET
Just got off the phone to one of my local deputies. He said that if the
person was yeilding to the ambulance and got into an accident then it
would not be the ambulance drivers fault.
We only have six traffic lights in our county, but the one a quarter
mile down from one of our stations is a killer!
If we are responding that way and the traffic is backed up and blocking
the way most of us turn off the lights and sirens and wait for the light
change.
Even though it is said that it is not my fault, I would hate for someone
to pull out and have an accident thinking that they must move!
How about those drivers that try to out run you on the straight stretchs
with plenty of passing room only to then decide to pull over at the
blind curves!!! ARGH! ARGH!
In our county with about an average 15 minute response, 30 seconds
longer at the light won't make the difference. Heartsaver will!

These comments are mine, and only mine. I have lots more if you wish.
David

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Gregory K Doerschler

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Jun 8, 1991, 12:06:40 AM6/8/91
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In article <CEMS-L%9106062...@MARIST.BITNET> JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty) writes:
>
>I was riding in an ambulance a few weeks ago when we came to
>a red stoplight. The three lanes ahead of use were all blocked, so one of the
>cars pulled out through the intersection (against the light)...

I've seen this happen many times. Usually when an emergency vehicle
approaches a blocked intersection, one of three things happens:
1) Car(s) stopped at light maneuver out of the way, sometimes
entering or crossing the intersection if necessary.
2) Emergency vehicle crosses into oncoming lanes to get by stopped
traffic.
3) Emergency vehilce waits for light to change (rare).

My question is: what are the proper actions for (a) the emergency vehicle
and (b) the stopped traffic. I recall learning in driver education
classes years ago that drivers should yield to emergency vehicles. All
they ever said was pull over & let the vehicle pass; nobody said what to
do if one was stopped at a red light with ambulance behind blasting siren.

Greg

christopher.m.nelson

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Jun 7, 1991, 11:59:01 AM6/7/91
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From article <4789.2...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, by zei...@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com:

> "The case went to trial in September 1989. A prosecution acceident re-
> construction expert testified the ambulance was traveling 60 to 65 mph when the
> accident occurred. A defense expert placed the speed considerably lower.
>
...stuff deleted...

>
> No where in the article does it state the speed limit in that area.
>

Regardless of the speed limit, an emergency vehicle should not
proceed through a red light at these speeds (assuming that the
above speed is correct). Based on what I have read on this
newsgroup about this incident, I would have a lot of trouble
supporting the driver of the ambulance.
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PJ Geraghty

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Jun 8, 1991, 10:11:26 AM6/8/91
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On Sat, 8 Jun 91 04:06:40 GMT Gregory K Doerschler said:
>I've seen this happen many times. Usually when an emergency vehicle
>approaches a blocked intersection, one of three things happens:
> 1) Car(s) stopped at light maneuver out of the way, sometimes
> entering or crossing the intersection if necessary.
> 2) Emergency vehicle crosses into oncoming lanes to get by stopped
> traffic.
> 3) Emergency vehilce waits for light to change (rare).
>
>My question is: what are the proper actions for (a) the emergency vehicle
>and (b) the stopped traffic. I recall learning in driver education
>classes years ago that drivers should yield to emergency vehicles. All
>they ever said was pull over & let the vehicle pass; nobody said what to
>do if one was stopped at a red light with ambulance behind blasting siren.
>
> Greg

Someone (I forget who it was--sorry!) gave the suggestion that the EV should
turn off the siren and wait for the light to change. That makes sense to me.
Some of our drivers (especially when we run a MAR to DC) will drive for
BLOCKS on the wrong side of the road, with both siren (electronic and Federal
'Q') going full blast. It is extremely frightening when one is sitting in the
back of the unit, unable to see whatever the unit is about to hit!

On a similar note, one of our drivers once was responding to a call on I-270.
He saw that traffic was backed up on the entrance ramp, so he *went down the
EXIT ramp and drove on the shoulder against traffic* to get to the accident.
The driver (who survived, believe it or not) is now an assistant chief. His
EMT partner left the squad soon after.

Patrick Buick

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Jun 9, 1991, 5:31:46 PM6/9/91
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In article <CEMS-L%9106081...@MARIST.BITNET> JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET
(PJ Geraghty) writes:

>On a similar note, one of our drivers once was responding to a call on I-270.
>He saw that traffic was backed up on the entrance ramp, so he *went down the
>EXIT ramp and drove on the shoulder against traffic* to get to the accident.
>The driver (who survived, believe it or not) is now an assistant chief. His
>EMT partner left the squad soon after.


I have often thought about this problem, as we have a limited-access,
jersey-barrier'ed, high-speed road through our city. If there is an
accident, there are not enough off-ramps, and no advanced warnings (ie:
police barriers) to enable the throughfare to clear.

In many places along the road, there is no shoulder (or one not wide
enough for an ambulance to negotiate) and where there is, many times
people pull over onto it.

As you can now imagine, responding to the scene on the throughfare
in the half of the roadway where the accident occurred is basically
impossible (Unless... hmmm... I wonder if they have ever thought of
making a "BIGFOOT" ambulance... you know, the 4x4 car-crusher :-)

One could respond from the other direction, but then, you are blocking
a viable traffic lane on the opposing half of the road, you have to
climb the barrier to get to the accident (and many happen to occur on
a two-part bridge... how was your long-jump in high-school??? it's a
cold river underneath... :-) and of course, you have to bring the
patient back across.

The only option that I have identified as **POSSIBLY** viable
(read: I don't totally like it, but....) is to respond on the
shoulder of the affected portion of the road.. if traffic is
*TOTALLY* blocked by either the accident, or police, this is
not too bad, however... This does require much more coordination
and cooperation than the current system provides. It is not out
of the question, but I'm not sure why the coordination of the
system does not exist.

- Police units would be in two groups: investigation and traffic control.
- If it is in the best interests of getting emergency vehicles to the
scene (determined by the "triage" unit), traffic should be blocked and
re-directed.
- The dispatchers should be in close contact to allow the responding
emergency vehicles to be efficiently chosen and directed in their
response method.

It is a difficult situation to call. On one hand, you are taking risks
to get there, but the alternative is to not get there at all.

(PS: I have seen emergency lanes which were used only for emergency vehicles
on a throughfare, but do they stay clear when there is an actual emergency??)


(Sorry about the length....)
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Jun 10, 1991, 10:54:26 AM6/10/91
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From article <gFJ73...@halcyon.uucp>, by halcyon!ral...@seattleu.edu (Ralph Sims):

> JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty) writes:
>
> Using emergency warning devices REQUESTS right-of-way, not demand it.

I am certified in the state of Ohio where this incident took place and I
also learned in my training that warning lights are a request of right-of-way.

bobb


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Jun 10, 1991, 10:23:34 AM6/10/91
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> From: JX6...@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty)
>
> so one of the

> cars pulled out through the intersection (against the light). My driver
> blanched and swore quietly and when I asked him later what the problem was
he
> replied that if the drivier of that car had gotten into an accident it
would
> have been my driver's "fault". So we are now responsible for
> the unprovoked actions of idiot drivers.

Did your driver shut down the lights and siren until the light turned
green? This action would probably prevent any liability on his/her part if
some nitwit did crash.


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Chris Kinsman

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Jun 10, 1991, 6:00:25 PM6/10/91
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Our EVAP procedures require us to stay in the left lane at all possible
times. (i.e. not practical on a right turn ;) When coming to an
intersection it is preferred to enter the oncoming lane to get through the
intersection vs taking a possibly open right hand lane. There are several
reasons for this. 1. Drivers instictively pull to the right to get out of
your way. If you are on a 2 lane road in the right lane rattled drivers
may pull into you. 2. You have higher visibility in the oncoming lane
where you have the drivers looking directly at you than when you approach
them
from behind. Our procedure for going through an intersection is as
follows: Enter the intersection in the left hand lane. If this is not
possible use the oncoming lane. Slow to a stop before entering the
intersection. Once you have assured control of the intersection proceed
through the intersection pulling back into the left hand lane if you were
in the oncoming lane.

Chris


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mangot...@gmail.com

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For the record here, I am a little biased because the victim in question is my sister.That being said what was not in the papers is that she was going straight on a green light and there was a van in the left hand turning lane that she could not see though. Apparently and what was discussed in the court case if you had been there, the high rate of speed the ambulance was moving and the laws of sound, she was unable to hear the siren until it was too late. She was NOT, drinking, on drugs, deliberately trying to beat the ambulance or anything else.
Mr Montecalvo made a mistake. It took me many years to forgive that mistake. He is humble and remorseful. I have met with him and his family and I am sorry that he has to live with this.
However, I think the right decision was made, because it may save lives in the long run if emergency drivers realize they will be held accountable. I don't know if anyone will ever even read this all these years later.
But as I sit here typing it has been 27 years and two days. I still miss her like crazy.

Tom Horne

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First things first! I am very sorry for your loss. I lost my sister to a ground aircraft accident about that long ago and I still wonder what our lives would have been like if she had lived until I was able to really get to know her as an adult.

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Are we really discussing a Twenty Seven year old case?

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On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 10:31:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Horne wrote:
>
> Are we really discussing a Twenty Seven year old case?

Apparently so, and in doing so this thread ended up at the top of my search and led me back to m.e-s for the first time in over a decade.

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On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 9:37:48 AM UTC-4, mangot...@gmail.com wrote:
reminds me of watching a "On Scene" episode one time when the Lifelfight flight nurse, Christie Wilson was treating a victim of a auto accident and the victim was pretty badly injured and she was doing all she could to get the victim to respond it was in Huntington Beach..sometimes a flight nurse has the same problem as a driver or a paramedic of course there was the Shulman incident.. but that was a different episode but the victim was badly injured too..but the victim in Huntington Beach didn't even dare to sue Christie or Group W..i guess it wasn't a big deal like the Shulman one..Mercy Air found themselves in big trouble when Shulman not only sued the flight crew but 4MN Productions and Group W it was a big one that went all the way to the Supreme Court and they ruled against Shulman i knew it was a victory for television over the law it is nearly 28 years since i have seen the Shulman episode and i was 6 years old in 1990 i didn't have the same reaction that she did of course she was in the hospital while i was at home in my bedroom

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as far as Mercy Air in the episode i just talked about(Shulman)i heard Dave Forman(the narrator) explain that "while Mercy Air is privately owned, and it's not part of any hospital chain, these men and women still respond 24 hours a day every day to calls for help whether their patients can pay them or not" that might be true but the helicopter is a flying ambulance and the victims would not be able to pay the helicopter company in this case Mercy Air in fact when i taped the episode i had to rewind that statement a few times to be sure it was correct i could have also said that some of what the narrator said was wrong such as gasoline dripping(wrong) 4 in the car instead of 2 (again wrong) that's why they sued but lost IMHO

daniel anderson

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i have to say i hated it when Christie died in that airplane crash in 1993 it saddens me to this day how she perished i was saddened because i had seen her so much because of "On Scene" same thing with Tommy Williams of the FDNY when he fell and died in that fire in 1992 and of course there are so many that were LODD in 9/11 i can see Christie many nights when i sleep in my dreams treating a victim in that helicopter..same thing with Tommy when you lose someone it can be very sad i was wondering about that.. and by the way mangot..i hate how your sister got killed
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