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climber

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Dec 21, 2009, 6:10:44 AM12/21/09
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On Dec 20, 4:53 pm, Western Voice <whitemanfi...@ymail.com> wrote:
> America is at the crossroads. Americans have a simple yet very
> difficult decision to make. Are they willing to let this nation
> inevitably become a Third World society, or are they willing to stand
> up and fight, while they still can, for their heritage, traditions,
> and values?
>
> Multi-Culturalism and “Diversity” are lies. The non-White birthrate,
> coupled with massive immigration (both legal and illegal) and racial
> intermarriage, will reduce the founding people of America into a
> minority in our own nation. As the racial composition of America
> changes, so will America. Our children and theirs will live in an
> America where alien cultures and values will not simply be present,
> but will dominate us.
>
> It may be politically-incorrect to state it, but this alien influxis a
> disaster for our country, our people, and our families. Crime will
> continue to escalate, as schools deteriorate, corruption increases,
> and quality of life plummets.
>
> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America’s capitol,
> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
> This transformation is personified in the mayor of Washington, Marion
> Barry. Barry was ousted in 1990 when, as DC’s mayor, he was caught on
> videotape, smoking crack cocaine in the hotel room of a prostitute. He
> was convicted, but received very little jail time. Upon release, he
> ran for the DC City Council and was elected! And after “serving”
> without distinction on the DC City Council for one term, he ran for
> Mayor and was elected!
>
> Many other cities are also becoming unlivable. My home city of New
> Orleans has a young mulatto mayor who has fathered at least one
> illegitimate child, and has been hospitalized for a drug abuse. He,
> too, was elected by the overwhelming Black bloc. His first three years
> in office correspond with a murder rate in New Orleans of more than 1-
> per-day (city population just over 500,000).
>
> Louis Farakhan (who is virulently anti-White) is the most popular
> Black leader in America. He attracts the largest Black turnouts of any
> “Afro-American” and although the “Million Man March” did not draw
> enough devotees to live up to its name, the Muslim minister had still
> orchestrated the largest Black demonstration in American history, a
> day long orgy of anti-White hatred.
>
> When the American people saw the LA riots and crowds of Blacks
> cheering O.J. Simpson (who was acquitted by the almost all Black
> jury), they received a peek into their future.
>
> Could a Marion Barry or Louis Farakhan-type eventually become
> President of the United States? Unthinkable? Remember that a Marion
> Barry as mayor of our country’s capitol, LA riots, and Affirmative
> Action also would have been unthinkable just a few short years ago.
>
> Most of the largest cities in America now have nonwhite mayors,
> councils and judges. Many parts of the Southwest and sections of
> American cities more closely resemble Mexico than “Anglo” America.
> Check out Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Diego, El
> Paso, Houston, Miami, Midland-Odessa, Las Cruces, or Albuquerque.
>
> Non-white majorities are now on the horizon in many states, with
> California and Texas acutely in danger. However, it will not take a
> numerical majority of aliens to bring us down, just a sizeable enough
> minority.
>
> It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
> The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
> The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
> predictive examples of the fate that awaits us. The Third World awaits
> our children. It is on our streets, in our taxpayer subsidized housing
> projects, in our jails, and in our mayor’s chairs. Whites in Haiti
> once produced most of the world’s sugar and their nation was called
> the “Jewel of the Caribbean.” Most of them could not have imagined the
> Haiti of today. Are we so short-sighted that we cannot see where
> America is heading?
>
> Great nations do fall. In history, every great nation which once
> graced this planet with high civilization and great achievement – has
> fallen. America though, is a young nation. We should be vibrant and
> entering our greatest age. Instead our children grow up in an alien
> society that our forefathers would not recognize.
>
> The Government and the mass media have become enemies of the founding
> heritage of this nation.
>
> They support immigration quotas that are over 90 percent non-White.
> They have made sure that we do not adequately enforce our laws and
> protect our borders.
>
> They have supported and financed (with our own tax money) a massive
> non-White welfare birthrate that is producing chronic crime,
> degenerated schools and cities, huge costs in welfare, medical care,
> education, housing, policing, courts, and incarceration.
>
> They have fostered intense discrimination against White people in
> jobs, promotions, scholarships, college admissions and union hiring.
>
> They have destroyed the quality of many of our schools, the civilized
> quality of our major cities, and the safety of our neighborhoods with
> forced integration and HUD subsidized housing.
>
> They have attacked our heritage with an endless array of hate
> literature, movies, and television that vilifies our White history,
> character, values, and traditions.
>
> They have hurt American businesses and workers, and are reducing the
> overall standard of living and independence of the American people
> through New World Order inspired trade policies such as NAFTA and
> GATT.
>
> They have attacked our Christian values, heritage, and traditions.
>
> We must strive to save our nation and its beseiged heritage. I will
> fight to stop the massive immigration, and the welfare-financed,
> illegitimate birthrates that are reducing us to a minority in our own
> land. We must awaken our people of the disaster that looms before us,
> and inspire them to join the fight for our survival.
>
> I will fight to limit the power of the Federal Government that is
> taking more and more of our hard-earned money and more and more of our
> hard-won rights.
>
> I will fight for personal responsibility. The welfare system that
> proliferates the underclass and all its social ills must end as we
> know it.
>
> I will fight to limit overpopulation and protect our environment by
> stopping illegal immigration and almost all “legal immigration” into
> America.
>
> I will fight for a simple and fair national sales tax to abolish the
> income tax and the abusive IRS.
>
> I will fight for the constitutional right of Americans to Keep and
> Bear Arms.
>
> I will fight for reform in the Political process by ending all large
> political contributions and having free and open broadcast time and
> debates for all qualified candidates.
>
> I will fight for freedom of choice in education and in association by
> ending forced busing and integration.
>
> I will fight for an absolute end to the racial discrimination called
> “affirmative action.”
>
> I will fight for fair trade and against agreements such as NAFTA and
> GATT that hurt the American people.
>
> I will fight for real freedom of speech for the American people not
> just for the politically correct by ending the control of a few
> conglomerates over the American media.
>
> I will fight for America First by putting an end to foreign aid and
> the New World Order.
>
> Although the media has unfairly depicted me as a racist and a hater, I
> am neither. For although I recognize the important inherent
> distinctions between the races, I do not seek to oppress Blacks and
> other minorities, nor do I hate them.
>
> I do, though, have an abiding love for our White race and the
> civilization and values that it created. I want my children and all my
> descendants to live in a free and healthy society, not a Third World
> hovel. I want to preserve the unique character and beauty of my people
> the same way that, as an ecology-minded individual, I desire the
> preservation of the Blue Whale or the great African Elephant.
>
> I demand the same things for our progeny that all healthy people
> throughout history have sought: the right for us to live and go on
> generation after generation;
>
> for our heritage to be enriched rather than degraded;
>
> for us to be free and not constrained by tyranny;
>
> for us to be safe and secure in our homes and when about in society;
>
> for us to be happy and fulfilled, and not alienated in a culture
> foreign to us;
>
> for us to achieve all that our talents and abilities allow.
>
> America is at the crossroads.
>
> Now is the time for all real Americans to journey with me. Together we
> can secure the existence of our people, and a bright future for our
> children.
>
> I am asking for you to join our efforts to save our heritage and our
> country.
>
> http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_22.html

Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke but that
does not detract from it's realities.

climber

Wolf Leverich

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Dec 21, 2009, 12:18:31 PM12/21/09
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On 2009-12-21, climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_22.html
>
> Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke but that
> does not detract from it's realities.
>
> climber


It's "its", in this case.

Yet another dumber-than-a-fencepost wingnut. Of course, I've
never seen evidence that there is any other kind ...

Love, Wolf.

climber

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Dec 21, 2009, 2:39:13 PM12/21/09
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On Dec 21, 10:18 am, "Wolf Leverich" <lever...@linkpendium.com> wrote:

You read like a schoolmarm. Dream on about a multicultural
paradise. Ain't gonna work. (Why do you use a female name to access
newgroups?)

Cheers, Climber

Deadrat

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Dec 21, 2009, 5:03:21 PM12/21/09
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climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d12f282d-e226-4694-acc2-
0701ff...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 21, 10:18�am, "Wolf Leverich" <lever...@linkpendium.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-12-21, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_
22.html
>>
>> > Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke but
that
>> > does not detract from it's realities.
>>
>> > climber
>>
>> It's "its", in this case.
>>
>> Yet another dumber-than-a-fencepost wingnut. �Of course, I've
>> never seen evidence that there is any other kind ...
>>
>> Love, Wolf.
>
> You read like a schoolmarm.

How do you know how the poster reads?

How would you know the way a schoolmarm reads?

> Dream on about a multicultural paradise.

There are no paradises here on earth, and no one claims otherwise.

> Ain't gonna work.

Don't look now, but it's been workin' for a while.

(Why do you use a female name to access newgroups?)

(Perhaps the poster is a woman. How would you know otherwise?)

> Cheers, Climber

Cheers. Now piss off.


Barb Knox

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Dec 21, 2009, 6:45:18 PM12/21/09
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In article
<d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
[snip]

> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.

Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
and staffs are literate.

[snip]

> > It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
> > The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
> > The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
> > predictive examples of the fate that awaits us.

Brutal conquest by a more technically advanced culture?

[snip]

> > They have attacked our Christian values

Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?

[snip]

> > [T]he media has unfairly depicted me as a racist....
> > I recognize the important inherent distinctions between the races....


[snip]

> > http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_22.html
>
> Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke
> but that does not detract from it's realities.


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Dec 21, 2009, 7:38:40 PM12/21/09
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On Dec 21, 3:45 pm, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
> In article
> <d1567f76-aa10-40dd-a82e-9236bed5c...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

>
> climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 4:53 pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:

>
> > > They have attacked our Christian values
>
> Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?
>

>


> > Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke
> > but that does not detract from it's realities.

I really agree that such an article would be better placed in context
where the ambiguities of racism were less openly disclosed. The brutal
honesty of this document leads one to think that there is more
involved in the deliberation of opinion in relation to the races than
simply maintaining one's preconceived views. Still, I believe the
place that persons of such opinions hold in the government is easily
outspoken by those who fear the collapse of the American economy.
Whenever doubt is directed toward a subject of racial inequity,
rational approaches to solving the problems that emerge inevitably
take a back seat to the dominance of certain opinions. Thus, to agree
with some persons and to disagree with others seems to be the best
approach to reducing the doubt of such questions.

phil scott

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Dec 21, 2009, 8:10:06 PM12/21/09
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> climber- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not that I don't see Mr Dukes points... I do, and he made them well,
and decently.

However this move to bring in slave labor is 100% common to the
inevitable final stage in a national life cycle... the slave labor btw
ends up taking over.... the need for cheap labor is engendered by the
cultures own decay, it gets rich, then fat and lazy, then corrupt.
then starts wars of conquest and hires those it can brow beat into
work in cheap.... its tendency to blame others preclude examination of
the factors that precipitated the decline... those go uncorrected for
many reasons.

Blaming those we import to work cheap might be good sport, but fails
to address the real problem... which is not curable by itself, only
monher nature has the cure... it lets these collapse, starve for a
generation or two unil some backbone re-emerges... then the cycle
begings again.. 250 years thoughout recorded history... the chinese
dynasties went 200 years each, the roman state 300 years, the roman
empire another 300. (the longest so far) most run 250 years or so.

(exceptions, revealingly, have been the cultures without currency, or
a written literature, the Mongols for instance went 1,000 years.)

The cure is *personal... clean up your own act, raise quality kiids if
you can...forward that agenda personally. There is not much mankind
has ever been able to do to keep the tides, currents and winds at
bay... the best one can do for his kind is to learn navigation, gain
strength and learn to sail and teach those to his own... we have a few
examples of this, detested as they often are for their success.

There is no perfection, just survival of the fittest... like it or
not.


Phil scott


Phil Scott

Deadrat

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Dec 21, 2009, 8:17:06 PM12/21/09
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phil scott <ph...@philscott.net> wrote in news:8b56d33d-a56d-448a-af57-
daec08...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 21, 3:10�am, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice <whitemanfi...@ymail.com> wrote:

<snip/>

> The cure is *personal... clean up your own act,

Yeah, abandon the reflex racims and xenophobia.

> raise quality kiids if you can...

Hard to do when you're a benighted fucktard, though. Just hope that you
raise kids smart enough to reject your fear-based thinking and see through
your glibly-wrong historical parallels.

<snip/>

Now, piss off.

> Phil Scott

Steve Hayes

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Dec 21, 2009, 10:28:58 PM12/21/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:

>In article
><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>and staffs are literate.

I suppose the "brutal crimes of violence" includes all the back-stabbing that
those senators engage in.


--
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Peter Moylan

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Dec 22, 2009, 5:34:56 AM12/22/09
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Barb Knox wrote:

> [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> and rec.backcountry]

Why?

[alt.usage.english removed, since I couldn't see any English usage
content in this message. I had to guess about which group to follow up to.]

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For an e-mail address, see my web page.

Chuck Riggs

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Dec 22, 2009, 10:25:15 AM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:28:58 +0200, Steve Hayes
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>
>>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>>and staffs are literate.
>
>I suppose the "brutal crimes of violence" includes all the back-stabbing that
>those senators engage in.

No more brutal than what you will find in most corporations, I
suspect, or other government entities of a similar size.
--

Regards,

Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE

mm

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Dec 22, 2009, 12:30:20 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:

>In article
><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>and staffs are literate.

Not only that, but what they have been calling corruption lately
includes getting something for one's own state, which is not
corruption.

They also call corruption getting something for some business or
industry in one's state, which is not corruption unless the
Congressman is paid, in money or in kind, to do it. If someone were
to get a tariff on imported maple syrup that benefitted the people in
the maple syrup industry of Vermont (I think that's the state),
because of the local economic multiplier, that will probably benefit
all the people in Vermont.

Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.


>[snip]
>
>> > It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
>> > The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
>> > The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
>> > predictive examples of the fate that awaits us.
>
>Brutal conquest by a more technically advanced culture?
>
>[snip]
>
>> > They have attacked our Christian values
>
>Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?
>
>[snip]
>
>> > [T]he media has unfairly depicted me as a racist....

I don't know who is being quoted, but David Duke is a racist pig, so
bad that both Dems and Reps in Louisiana united and successfully kept
him from being elected the last time he tried to run for office.

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tony cooper

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Dec 22, 2009, 1:00:09 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:20 -0500, mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>
>>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>>and staffs are literate.
>
>Not only that, but what they have been calling corruption lately
>includes getting something for one's own state, which is not
>corruption.

I dunno about that. Sen Ben Nelson "sold" his vote on the health care
reform legislation for some benefits to his state - Nebraska -
ostensibly without receiving any personal payoff.

http://www.examiner.com/x-6356-Wichita-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d22-Health-Care-Reform--Polls-say-public-against-but-payoffs-too-much-for-some-Dems-to-resist

Was it without a personal payoff, though? Don't you think Sen Nelson
will benefit from this from campaign donations from the beneficiaries
of the concessions granted? I expect that Mutual of Omaha will be
generous to Sen Nelson's campaign chest.


>
>Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.
>

Does the benefit have to be immediate, though?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Cece

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:46:16 PM12/22/09
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On Dec 21, 5:45 pm, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
> In article
> <d1567f76-aa10-40dd-a82e-9236bed5c...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
"capitol," or the transcriber?

Michael Coburn

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Dec 22, 2009, 5:13:04 PM12/22/09
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The "bring home the bacon" is _NOTHING_ compared to suck the butts of the
lobby. And it is primarily because of the cloture rule that these people
have such individual power. 60% of the people WANT a Public Option _AND_
a Medicare expansion with the Medicare tax ON ALL INCOME and not just
wages. But that gets canned because of LIEberman. The puny payments to
the others is a "nit".

--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60

Barb Knox

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Dec 22, 2009, 7:03:12 PM12/22/09
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In article
<6405d5ce-7250-4894...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Cece <ceceliaa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
> "capitol," or the transcriber?

Both, ISTM. (See the given URL for the author's text.)

Barb Knox

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Dec 22, 2009, 7:11:24 PM12/22/09
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In article <I4CdncsBr_BPPa3W...@westnet.com.au>,
Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:

> Barb Knox wrote:
>
> > [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> > and rec.backcountry]
>
> Why?
>
> [alt.usage.english removed, since

>I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.

Look again, particularly the first paragraph.
[alt.usage.english re-added]

>I had to guess about which group to follow up to.]

Why? If you do a normal reply with a decent newsreader it will
crosspost to all the groups referenced and not muck with the Followup-To.

[original groups restored, with no explicit Followup-To]

mm

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Dec 22, 2009, 10:24:37 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:00:09 -0500, tony cooper
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:

I thought I heard on the radio today that there is a lot more to this
than they've been saying, that puts it in a lot better light. But
then I took a nap and forgot almost everything I had heard. Hoping to
learn more later.

If there's no more to it, it seems blatently unconstitutional and
certain to be challenged and overturned, so I don't see the point in
doing it. So that's another reason I think there is more to it.

OT3H, there are a whole bunch of laws in Maryland that single out
counties, that name them, and don't even define them indirectly (like
"cities more than 700,000" which would only describe Baltimore). I
asked about this on a legal newsgroup and got an explanation why it
was legal, but it didnt' make sesne to me and now I've forgotten it.
:-(
>
>http://www.examiner.com/x-6356-Wichita-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d22-Health-Care-Reform--Polls-say-public-against-but-payoffs-too-much-for-some-Dems-to-resist

This didn't go into any detail. Maybe we'll hear more later.

>Was it without a personal payoff, though? Don't you think Sen Nelson
>will benefit from this from campaign donations from the beneficiaries
>of the concessions granted? I expect that Mutual of Omaha will be
>generous to Sen Nelson's campaign chest.
>>
>>Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.
>>
>Does the benefit have to be immediate, though?

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Glenn Knickerbocker

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Dec 23, 2009, 8:20:54 AM12/23/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:46:16 -0800 (PST), Cece wrote:
>Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
>"capitol," or the transcriber?

Dumb as David Duke may be, I suspect he knows the difference between
"capital" and the transcriber.

�R "MY FLIEGENDE HOLL�NDER WON'T STOP BLEEEEEEING!" --Poot
<http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/magictop.html> Rootbeer

mm

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Dec 24, 2009, 1:35:58 AM12/24/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:24:37 -0500, mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>
>
>OT3H, there are a whole bunch of laws in Maryland that single out
>counties, that name them,

I mean, and have different laws for them. That sure sounds like a
14th Amendment violation, but it's been that way for decades, I think.

>and don't even define them indirectly (like
>"cities more than 700,000" which would only describe Baltimore). I
>asked about this on a legal newsgroup and got an explanation why it
>was legal, but it didnt' make sesne to me and now I've forgotten it.
>:-(

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Athel Cornish-Bowden

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Dec 24, 2009, 1:21:01 PM12/24/09
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On 2009-12-23 01:11:24 +0100, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> said:

> In article <I4CdncsBr_BPPa3W...@westnet.com.au>,
> Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:
>
>> Barb Knox wrote:
>>
>>> [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
>>> and rec.backcountry]
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> [alt.usage.english removed, since
>
>> I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.
>
> Look again, particularly the first paragraph.

Not so easy, given that you don't quote it, and the original is long
since deleted from my list of messages. However, maybe you mean this:

>> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.

It's not a particularly elegant example of written English (I'd prefer
"coming change" or else a comma after "change coming", plus a comma
after "where") but I've seen much worse. The mere mention of illiteracy
and the mispelling (I presume) of "capital" hardly make it a topic for
alt.usage.english. So, perhaps you could explain why you think it's
relevant?

With some misgivings I'm leaving the groups as you had them, but I
agree with Peter

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athel

mm

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:56:41 PM12/24/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:

>
>[Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
>and rec.backcountry]

What if the OP only reads rec.food.cooking or rec.backcountry?

Steve Hayes

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:26:46 PM12/24/09
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I thought the aue point was the misuse of "capitol". The writer probably meant
"capital".

Barb Knox

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Dec 24, 2009, 11:55:48 PM12/24/09
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In article <dea8j5t0sc848tspe...@4ax.com>,
mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
> >
> >[Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> >and rec.backcountry]
>
> What if the OP only reads rec.food.cooking or rec.backcountry?

Then that would have been some very odd groups to post the original
article from. My ISP only allows up to 6-way posts, so I had to remove
some groups in order to add groups. ISTM the article is 99.99%
irrelevant to those removed groups. For a challenge, try to find a
short "N-degrees" chain between the article and one of those groups.
Here's a lame example:
the article -- racism -- rednecks -- roadkill -- rec.food.cooking

Athel Cornish-Bowden

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Dec 25, 2009, 3:39:29 AM12/25/09
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On 2009-12-25 04:26:46 +0100, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:

> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:21:01 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acor...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-12-23 01:11:24 +0100, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> said:
>>
>>> In article <I4CdncsBr_BPPa3W...@westnet.com.au>,
>>> Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:
>>>

>>>> [ ... ]

>>>> I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.
>>>
>>> Look again, particularly the first paragraph.
>>
>> Not so easy, given that you don't quote it, and the original is long
>> since deleted from my list of messages. However, maybe you mean this:
>>
>>>> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>>> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>>> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>

>> [ ... ]

>> The mere ... mispelling (I presume) of "capital" hardly make it a topic for


>> alt.usage.english. So, perhaps you could explain why you think it's
>> relevant?
>>

> I thought the aue point was the misuse of "capitol". The writer probably meant
> "capital".

Well obviously, as I noted. But why do you think this constitutes an
aue point? What is there to discuss?


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athel

Steve Hayes

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Dec 25, 2009, 11:55:38 AM12/25/09
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:39:29 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote:

In aue people are frequently giving Google counts of misspellings or variant
spellings, so it is clearly of interest to some participants. I think that is
why it was crossposted to aue, though you may tghink that whether it should
have been is a moot point.

Follow-ups set to aue.

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