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Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 12:27:37 AM12/1/11
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Off-World metallicity is simply offering the next great future gold-
rush x 1000, offering valuable resources that our planet as is seems
to be running out of affordable and much less failsafe options, not to
mention the past and ongoing environmental trauma caused (including
human genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that
can be directly linked to mining and hydrocarbon extractions,
processing and their distributions).
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, or that our
terrestrial metallicity of common and rare metals, minerals,
hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
mention an escalating GW factor that’s compromising virtually
everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
This future metallicity-rush could make gold, platinum and even
diamonds too common and perhaps even too cheap to hoard, so that kind
of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a rather
poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
authority. Naturally the well established defenders of our mainstream
status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-
world resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to
sustain their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity leverage.
Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of gold onto the global market
would do to its terrestrial value, or even rhodium and thorium are not
exactly cheap elements of metallicity.
Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
mostly involve robotic processing and somewhat automated shipments
back to Earth that will likely make those previous terrestrial gold-
rush eras seem like primitive practice runs. Off-world basic
carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron plus those high
concentrations of titanium as well as thorium, uranium and many other
heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value, getting
especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either running on
near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too politically and human
risky to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and artificially overvalued by
those within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). Those Canadian
oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
everything gets taken into account, not to mention the horrific
environment impact that has to include more than doubling the carbon
footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise the fracking of deep shale
in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
compared to the relatively failsafe thorium fueled reactors.
In addition to discovering and exploiting a treasure trove of minerals
or raw element wealth, we should also ponder that there are perhaps
safer planets or moons that humanity and all other forms of complex
biodiversity might actually better survive those future asteroid
encounters of the lithobraking impact kind. Even fast moving
molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient metallicity can become downright
lethal to surface life as we know it (such as when the nearby Sirius B
terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own sun is perfectly
capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us, which would easily
penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby cause great amounts
of damage to our less than robust infrastructure (including satellite
damage could be rather extensive), though fortunately and lucky for us
that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13 kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/
s nor having been directed at us. However, something of good mass
(such as a large asteroid or small planetoid) directly impacting our
sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg CME.
The mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus offers terrific
potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes down to surviving
a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and greater shielded as
for fending off cosmic energy and those passing molecular/nebula
clouds of any great metallicity, because that’s exactly what an
extremely dense atmosphere that’s continually replenished from within
kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon impacting Venus are going
to get their arrival moderated down to a dull roar due to the terrific
density of its thick atmosphere, whereas our nearly naked Earth is
eventually going to get seriously nailed at near full velocity. The
mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus is simply better protected
from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as whatever local radioactive
deposits are more than a hundred fold better shielded and/or
attenuated by way of the given density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere.
Of course there’s always a systemic risk in doing most anything on or
off-world, however the payback of mining asteroids plus that of
extracting valuable elements from our physically dark moon as well as
going for the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to suggest a way
better investment payback than our government agencies and their
contracted (public funded) partners have been allowing us to realize.
Heavy metallicity saturated asteroids like YU55 are a dime a dozen, so
to speak. This of course is simply a perfectly fair cost or
investment analogy relative to the greater worth of their metallicity
plus offering a few other off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that
could be real handy. For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne
would make a very good outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although
setting up Venus L2 would certainly be much cooler, stable and
reliably passing within 100 LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is
officially doing their LSEI version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space
elevator with its enormous counter mass international space station
outpost/oasis/gateway plus having its tethered science and energy
transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though still not
nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
I would imagine processing not more than 10% from any given asteroid
is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our moon taking
but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from our moon
couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving excavated
tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be reutilized
as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of TBMs
clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or underneath
that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust. (that’s only
providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of ten billion
of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and those lunar tailings or
spoils from such extensive tunneling can just get piled up on the
surface or dumped into nearby craters for future processing)
Gold is currently at $60K/kg (should be worth at least $64K/kg by
2012), and we're being informed that terrestrial deposits likely had
something to do with asteroid impacts. I do believe the moon provides
ample evidence of asteroid impacts, and there are certainly more
spendy elements than gold, such as the value of bulk radium (Ra226)
can easily fetch $128M/kg (I’ve found other sources as having
specified a production cost of $75M/kg, although its artificial
scarcity and hoarding can easily double that).
‘Today, because of simplified methods of production, the market value
of a gram is $70,000. This means that one ounce of radium would cost
$1,960,000. The New York State Hospital at Buffalo recently bought
$300,000 worth of radium at that rate. Its records show that 800
persons have been cured of cancer since its use there. The invention
of radium emanation apparatus has helped the cause immensely.”
Ra226 at $75K/g and with market profiteers hording radium for medical
and research use, including their artificial rare-earth scarcity
charge of $1K/mg of medical dosage is a market value of $1B/kg,
compared to the nearly worthless element of platinum in bulk is only
good for $54K/kg. Besides various bulk volumes of rare metallicity,
there’s also He3 for fusion energy applications, and of course
extracting water and oxygen as byproducts of processing lunar basalt
bedrock shouldn’t be exactly worthless, and otherwise I can’t hardly
imagine our moon or Venus without radium or plutonium when they each
seem to have more than their fair share of uranium and thorium.
He3 as derived from terrestrial resources is currently pegged as worth
$4M/kg, although that price could easily tank below $1M/kg or less if
it were simply obtained from natural gas that’s still wasting the vast
bulk of it.
http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Helium#Value_of_Lunar_Heliu...
We have consistently disregard and essentially vented all the He3 in
our natural gas, just like we’ve ignored most all the He4 from the
very get-go. At 5 cents/kwhr makes He3 worth $3B/tonne, and with good
automation for obtaining He3 from natural gas should drive that
terrestrial value down below $1B/tonne, and exporting He3 from our
moon
shouldn’t be all that costly, as long as it’s not the one and only
extracted element.
Radium that gives us radon gas is actually a decay byproduct or
secondary element of going after uranium and thorium, as well as
contained in spent nuclear fuels (especially found in MOX, and of
course that element of plutonium as a metal being worth $11M/kg isn’t
exactly insignificant value). Of course terrestrial hydrocarbon
fuels have always had trace amounts of radioactive elements including
plutonium and radium, whereas essentially all of that hydrocarbon
laced with elements like plutonium and radium gets tossed into the
environment. (lucky us, and don’t even bother to ask how much helium
gets vented)
Of course going off-world for just one specific element as obtained
from our physically dark moon or from Venus would be downright silly
and spendy as hell, especially silly when so many other valuable
metallicity elements plus He3 exist.
William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
and how to go about gathering up, mining and processing asteroids.
Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are somewhat
limited metallicity deposits (especially of rare earths) on our
planet, whereas going off-world seems kind of unlimited, especially
when considering what our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus
should have to offer. Thereby spending a trillion to capture a given
asteroid and setting up those mostly robotic methods of mining,
processing and exporting is less than a drop of financial investment
in the otherwise overflowing buckets of investment returns, and no
doubt those smarter than us ETs would naturally have known this. Of
course we don’t have to bother with capturing the asteroid/planetoid
Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg of raw elements, because it’s already
parked in a relatively stable orbit, as well as ideal for
accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar Space Elevator to/from its L1)
that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand times.
Even relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have been
causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain carnage,
not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations, transport,
processing and finished product distribution, plus some metals having
a few social/political tensions that tend to get some of us killed.
Therefore, obtaining such metallicity elements from a passing asteroid
that’s captured, or from that of our moon or even from the extremely
nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious, whereas each of those
having their very own unlimited renewable energy and no stinking
Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging environmentalists, biodiversity
protectors nor complex regulatory agencies to contend with, could make
our wild west seems like a preschool temper tantrum because of the
wealth and subsequent hording and greed that’ll likely happen unless
private enterprise is allowed to function without the usual social/
political or faith-based authority getting involved.
Obviously our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded agency of our
supposedly democratic republic are not going to step-up and announce
squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
preoccupied with his political damage-control issues to be of any use,
and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as geothermal, solar and
wind derived energy are not going to be allowed to flourish on any
large scale competitive terrestrial basis, is what kind of leaves the
rest of us with off-world alternatives that may seem like another wild
west gold-rush era.
So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
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rush x 1000, offering valuable resources that our planet as is seems
to be running out of affordable and much less failsafe options, not to
mention the past and ongoing environmental trauma caused (including
human genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that
can be directly linked to mining and hydrocarbon extractions,
processing and their distributions).
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, or that our
terrestrial metallicity of common and rare metals, minerals,
hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
mention an escalating GW factor that’s compromising virtually
everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
This future metallicity-rush could make gold, platinum and even
diamonds too common and perhaps even too cheap to hoard, so that kind
of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a rather
poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
authority. Naturally the well established defenders of our mainstream
status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-
world resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to
sustain their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity leverage.
Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of gold onto the global market
would do to its terrestrial value, or even rhodium and thorium are not
exactly cheap elements of metallicity.
Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
mostly involve robotic processing and somewhat automated shipments
back to Earth that will likely make those previous terrestrial gold-
rush eras seem like primitive practice runs. Off-world basic
carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron plus those high
concentrations of titanium as well as thorium, uranium and many other
heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value, getting
especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either running on
near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too politically and human
risky to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and artificially overvalued by
those within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). Those Canadian
oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
everything gets taken into account, not to mention the horrific
environment impact that has to include more than doubling the carbon
footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise the fracking of deep shale
in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
compared to the relatively failsafe thorium fueled reactors.
In addition to discovering and exploiting a treasure trove of minerals
or raw element wealth, we should also ponder that there are perhaps
safer planets or moons that humanity and all other forms of complex
biodiversity might actually better survive those future asteroid
encounters of the lithobraking impact kind. Even fast moving
molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient metallicity can become downright
lethal to surface life as we know it (such as when the nearby Sirius B
terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own sun is perfectly
capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us, which would easily
penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby cause great amounts
of damage to our less than robust infrastructure (including satellite
damage could be rather extensive), though fortunately and lucky for us
that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13 kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/
s nor having been directed at us. However, something of good mass
(such as a large asteroid or small planetoid) directly impacting our
sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg CME.
The mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus offers terrific
potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes down to surviving
a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and greater shielded as
for fending off cosmic energy and those passing molecular/nebula
clouds of any great metallicity, because that’s exactly what an
extremely dense atmosphere that’s continually replenished from within
kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon impacting Venus are going
to get their arrival moderated down to a dull roar due to the terrific
density of its thick atmosphere, whereas our nearly naked Earth is
eventually going to get seriously nailed at near full velocity. The
mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus is simply better protected
from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as whatever local radioactive
deposits are more than a hundred fold better shielded and/or
attenuated by way of the given density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere.
Of course there’s always a systemic risk in doing most anything on or
off-world, however the payback of mining asteroids plus that of
extracting valuable elements from our physically dark moon as well as
going for the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to suggest a way
better investment payback than our government agencies and their
contracted (public funded) partners have been allowing us to realize.
Heavy metallicity saturated asteroids like YU55 are a dime a dozen, so
to speak. This of course is simply a perfectly fair cost or
investment analogy relative to the greater worth of their metallicity
plus offering a few other off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that
could be real handy. For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne
would make a very good outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although
setting up Venus L2 would certainly be much cooler, stable and
reliably passing within 100 LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is
officially doing their LSEI version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space
elevator with its enormous counter mass international space station
outpost/oasis/gateway plus having its tethered science and energy
transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though still not
nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
I would imagine processing not more than 10% from any given asteroid
is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our moon taking
but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from our moon
couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving excavated
tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be reutilized
as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of TBMs
clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or underneath
that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust. (that’s only
providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of ten billion
of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and those lunar tailings or
spoils from such extensive tunneling can just get piled up on the
surface or dumped into nearby craters for future processing)
Gold is currently at $60K/kg (should be worth at least $64K/kg by
2012), and we're being informed that terrestrial deposits likely had
something to do with asteroid impacts. I do believe the moon provides
ample evidence of asteroid impacts, and there are certainly more
spendy elements than gold, such as the value of bulk radium (Ra226)
can easily fetch $128M/kg (I’ve found other sources as having
specified a production cost of $75M/kg, although its artificial
scarcity and hoarding can easily double that).
‘Today, because of simplified methods of production, the market value
of a gram is $70,000. This means that one ounce of radium would cost
$1,960,000. The New York State Hospital at Buffalo recently bought
$300,000 worth of radium at that rate. Its records show that 800
persons have been cured of cancer since its use there. The invention
of radium emanation apparatus has helped the cause immensely.”
Ra226 at $75K/g and with market profiteers hording radium for medical
and research use, including their artificial rare-earth scarcity
charge of $1K/mg of medical dosage is a market value of $1B/kg,
compared to the nearly worthless element of platinum in bulk is only
good for $54K/kg. Besides various bulk volumes of rare metallicity,
there’s also He3 for fusion energy applications, and of course
extracting water and oxygen as byproducts of processing lunar basalt
bedrock shouldn’t be exactly worthless, and otherwise I can’t hardly
imagine our moon or Venus without radium or plutonium when they each
seem to have more than their fair share of uranium and thorium.
He3 as derived from terrestrial resources is currently pegged as worth
$4M/kg, although that price could easily tank below $1M/kg or less if
it were simply obtained from natural gas that’s still wasting the vast
bulk of it.
http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Helium#Value_of_Lunar_Heliu...
We have consistently disregard and essentially vented all the He3 in
our natural gas, just like we’ve ignored most all the He4 from the
very get-go. At 5 cents/kwhr makes He3 worth $3B/tonne, and with good
automation for obtaining He3 from natural gas should drive that
terrestrial value down below $1B/tonne, and exporting He3 from our
moon
shouldn’t be all that costly, as long as it’s not the one and only
extracted element.
Radium that gives us radon gas is actually a decay byproduct or
secondary element of going after uranium and thorium, as well as
contained in spent nuclear fuels (especially found in MOX, and of
course that element of plutonium as a metal being worth $11M/kg isn’t
exactly insignificant value). Of course terrestrial hydrocarbon
fuels have always had trace amounts of radioactive elements including
plutonium and radium, whereas essentially all of that hydrocarbon
laced with elements like plutonium and radium gets tossed into the
environment. (lucky us, and don’t even bother to ask how much helium
gets vented)
Of course going off-world for just one specific element as obtained
from our physically dark moon or from Venus would be downright silly
and spendy as hell, especially silly when so many other valuable
metallicity elements plus He3 exist.
William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
and how to go about gathering up, mining and processing asteroids.
Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are somewhat
limited metallicity deposits (especially of rare earths) on our
planet, whereas going off-world seems kind of unlimited, especially
when considering what our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus
should have to offer. Thereby spending a trillion to capture a given
asteroid and setting up those mostly robotic methods of mining,
processing and exporting is less than a drop of financial investment
in the otherwise overflowing buckets of investment returns, and no
doubt those smarter than us ETs would naturally have known this. Of
course we don’t have to bother with capturing the asteroid/planetoid
Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg of raw elements, because it’s already
parked in a relatively stable orbit, as well as ideal for
accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar Space Elevator to/from its L1)
that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand times.
Even relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have been
causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain carnage,
not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations, transport,
processing and finished product distribution, plus some metals having
a few social/political tensions that tend to get some of us killed.
Therefore, obtaining such metallicity elements from a passing asteroid
that’s captured, or from that of our moon or even from the extremely
nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious, whereas each of those
having their very own unlimited renewable energy and no stinking
Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging environmentalists, biodiversity
protectors nor complex regulatory agencies to contend with, could make
our wild west seems like a preschool temper tantrum because of the
wealth and subsequent hording and greed that’ll likely happen unless
private enterprise is allowed to function without the usual social/
political or faith-based authority getting involved.
Obviously our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded agency of our
supposedly democratic republic are not going to step-up and announce
squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
preoccupied with his political damage-control issues to be of any use,
and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as geothermal, solar and
wind derived energy are not going to be allowed to flourish on any
large scale competitive terrestrial basis, is what kind of leaves the
rest of us with off-world alternatives that may seem like another wild
west gold-rush era.
So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
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Metallicity has unavoidable color/hue issues that even the most
politically and faith-based conditional physics that’s apparently
colorblind can’t forever hide, and it’s especially exposed to us by
the naked environment of our physically dark moon (best detected from
orbit since nothing of our Apollo era color seemed to work). So,
perhaps the next great thing will have to be getting our basic
awareness of metallicity up to snuff.
Of course gamma spectrometry also detects surface as well as bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve had that capability as of during
and ever since our Apollo era. So, with terrific improvements in our
gamma spectrometry, there’s really no excuse that I can think of, as
to why we haven’t quantified and having published those metallicity
results for all to see.
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color film
could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with at
least ten fold better resolution as they passed gradually through the
earth-moon L1 (roughly 60,000 km above the surface), though of course
that sort of science photo-op never happened.
http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg
Or this next one could have been obtained from Apollo orbit at 100 km
and offering at least 100 fold better resolution, which should have
been easily accomplished by pushing color saturation and developing
their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25 ASA/ISO.
http://www.astronomie.be/christophe.behaegel/Moon%20in%20Color/slides/moon%20color%20satu.jpg
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
elements of our physically dark moon, that should have offered loads
of physically dark naturals as well as those UV reactive bluish
colors, we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near
monochromatic terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even
their very own LRO mission still can’t seem to reconcile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_Carmichael_and_Hill.jpg
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
location that gets a remarkably brighter albedo rating (even with a
first rate polarized optical element), becomes a whole lot smoother
eroded and somehow loses its color/hue saturations as well as UV
reactive secondary fluorescent colors of whatever metallicity/minerals
as the closer you get to it, so our moon and everything of those six
perfection Apollo missions must have been almost entirely visual
spectrum color-blinded plus UV inert, because after 5 previous tries
it seems they and every possible expertise of Kodak and Zeiss optical
still couldn’t seem to get it right.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-140-21367HR.jpg
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it demonstrates how such photographics can be
faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was technically
impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and otherwise
depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast issues.
http://moonpans.com/prints/wall40_A17eva3_earth.jpg
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
created by NASA, hyped and sold as an autographed certified image
which further proves the existing Kodak and fellow FUD-master
expertise of that era, was virtually undetectable as being faked. In
other words, anything could be added or subtracted without the least
bit of forensic discovery risk.
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
materials or elements are being imaged.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out the unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
nullified cosmic and solar X-rays as well as having nullified all
local radioactive metallicity factors for each and every one of those
Apollo missions so that their Kodak film was never at risk
(eliminating anticathode physics is a rather nifty trick). Remember
that upon our naked and electrostatic charged moon that’s also nicely
paramagnetic, there is essentially no radiation attenuation or magical
exclusion from local radioactive elements or from the very same cosmic
and solar gauntlet that our magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to
deal with, plus extra dosage because of whatever the electrostatic
charge and gravity holds onto isn’t exactly helping.
So it’s quite obvious and perfectly clear that our DARPA, NASA and
pretty much everything the least bit Apollo era related isn’t going to
lift a public-funded finger as to further researching and/or
exploiting the terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of
the extremely nearby planet Venus.
Now if you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as
per requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted
yourself to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look
at Venus unless you do not mind discovering what your government and
their insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
politically and faith-based conditional physics that’s apparently
colorblind can’t forever hide, and it’s especially exposed to us by
the naked environment of our physically dark moon (best detected from
orbit since nothing of our Apollo era color seemed to work). So,
perhaps the next great thing will have to be getting our basic
awareness of metallicity up to snuff.
Of course gamma spectrometry also detects surface as well as bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve had that capability as of during
and ever since our Apollo era. So, with terrific improvements in our
gamma spectrometry, there’s really no excuse that I can think of, as
to why we haven’t quantified and having published those metallicity
results for all to see.
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color film
could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with at
least ten fold better resolution as they passed gradually through the
earth-moon L1 (roughly 60,000 km above the surface), though of course
that sort of science photo-op never happened.
http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg
Or this next one could have been obtained from Apollo orbit at 100 km
and offering at least 100 fold better resolution, which should have
been easily accomplished by pushing color saturation and developing
their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25 ASA/ISO.
http://www.astronomie.be/christophe.behaegel/Moon%20in%20Color/slides/moon%20color%20satu.jpg
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
elements of our physically dark moon, that should have offered loads
of physically dark naturals as well as those UV reactive bluish
colors, we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near
monochromatic terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even
their very own LRO mission still can’t seem to reconcile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_Carmichael_and_Hill.jpg
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
location that gets a remarkably brighter albedo rating (even with a
first rate polarized optical element), becomes a whole lot smoother
eroded and somehow loses its color/hue saturations as well as UV
reactive secondary fluorescent colors of whatever metallicity/minerals
as the closer you get to it, so our moon and everything of those six
perfection Apollo missions must have been almost entirely visual
spectrum color-blinded plus UV inert, because after 5 previous tries
it seems they and every possible expertise of Kodak and Zeiss optical
still couldn’t seem to get it right.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-140-21367HR.jpg
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it demonstrates how such photographics can be
faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was technically
impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and otherwise
depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast issues.
http://moonpans.com/prints/wall40_A17eva3_earth.jpg
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
created by NASA, hyped and sold as an autographed certified image
which further proves the existing Kodak and fellow FUD-master
expertise of that era, was virtually undetectable as being faked. In
other words, anything could be added or subtracted without the least
bit of forensic discovery risk.
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
materials or elements are being imaged.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out the unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
nullified cosmic and solar X-rays as well as having nullified all
local radioactive metallicity factors for each and every one of those
Apollo missions so that their Kodak film was never at risk
(eliminating anticathode physics is a rather nifty trick). Remember
that upon our naked and electrostatic charged moon that’s also nicely
paramagnetic, there is essentially no radiation attenuation or magical
exclusion from local radioactive elements or from the very same cosmic
and solar gauntlet that our magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to
deal with, plus extra dosage because of whatever the electrostatic
charge and gravity holds onto isn’t exactly helping.
So it’s quite obvious and perfectly clear that our DARPA, NASA and
pretty much everything the least bit Apollo era related isn’t going to
lift a public-funded finger as to further researching and/or
exploiting the terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of
the extremely nearby planet Venus.
Now if you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as
per requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted
yourself to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look
at Venus unless you do not mind discovering what your government and
their insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 1:02:10 AM12/1/11
to
To further explore the value/risk of this off-world metallicity,
perhaps we first need to appreciate that our physically dark moon is a
metallicity treasure trove, and it’s extremely nearby, easily
accessible and according to our NASA/Apollo era it’s a perfectly
harmless location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At least
deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be accomplished
within as little as 3 days (2 days if we’re talking one-way
deliveries), and terrific cell-phone service via an Earth-moon L1
transponder would only have a 2.6 second delay loop (1.3 sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from the direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or arrays of PV panels could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch while radiating 1220
w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
I agree, as to the inverse density of its innards below that thick and
fused paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 (average could easily be
3.75 g/cm3) is going to offer that of a considerably lower or inverse
interior density, that could even be somewhat hollow or kinda porous
(aka gas filled or even conceivable as hosting pockets or layers of
complex hydrocarbons and mineral brines).
> > You'll need to phrase the question better. What is "temperature" in
> > this context? Are you asking for the energy density on the lunar
> > surface of earthshine? I can't think of a reasonable way to discuss
> > the effects of earthshine using units of temperature.
Pick a spot, any good old spot on the nearside of our physically dark
moon that gets unobstructed access to full planetshine/earthshine, and
tell us what the added IR influx from full planetshine warms up that
physically dark and otherwise nighttime darkened moon of ours.
We already know that most of the farside nighttime (when receiving no
sunlight or planetshine) and especially within polar craters that also
do a good job of shading and/or preventing direct sun or planetshine
illumination, can represent a nighttime surface temperature of 25 K or
possibly less (more recent LROC data has a pola nearside shaded crater
basin pegged at 35 K). So, if given 25 K as the natural surface
nighttime minimum (without sunlight or planetshine), then how much
warmer does full-planetshine bring up or boost the nearside nighttime
temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
like 125 K, or full IR planetshine = 20.75 w/m2. Visually the
earthshine/planetshine can be worth 50 times what full moonlight
represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s by no means too
dark to see really good (especially in the bluish and violet spectrum
of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200 watts + 10 m2 of
short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish planetshine
should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw with hardly
any significant technology or deployed mass, and of course by day that
available energy density goes way the hell up.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for the .07
albedo of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not reconcile
our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07) albedo and
strong contrast issues, with any of those Apollo mission obtained
images recorded on Kodak film, but that’s just conditional physics or
something totally weird happening, because not even Kodak will
authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to interpret as a
rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly any color,
minimal contrast and never any frame of film affected by X-rays, gamma
or heat.
Terrestrial basalts are simply less paramagnetic:
“The basaltic bedrock of the oceanic crust is classified as. (1)
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically heavy as well as fused near carbonado hard,
at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and subsequently
very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth over 3.1 g/
cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our physically dark
moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron, titanium, thorium
and even greater than Earth amounts of uranium, whereas surface
mascons that are substantial enough to affect satellite orbits are
suggesting where even greater concentrations of heavy metallicity
elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with heavy elements, whereas the upper mantel offers 3.3 g/
cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of 3.5+ g/cm3 is a
significant factor of greater metallicity that somehow entirely
alluded our NASA/Apollo era.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
offset towards Earth from center by upwards of 25%. This core could
be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice like low density rock of
mostly solidified silica that melts at 1600 K, as perfectly capable of
having stored great amounts of gas and conceivably water in addition
to hosting various metallicity elements of good value, and there’s no
good reason to think our moon doesn’t have hydrocarbons.
Using as somewhat smaller TBM or just drilling a one meter diameter
geothermal path towards the core should give a Stirling cycle power
source that’s rather enormous and sustainable for at least a thousand
years of pulling out a continuous terawatt of energy, with no possible
harm done. That’s only extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should be
no shortage of thorium to fuel local reactors that should be polar
located so as to having a continuous benefit of extremely cool shade
within deep craters that offer something like 40 K. Otherwise 100%
plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact and mobile.
perhaps we first need to appreciate that our physically dark moon is a
metallicity treasure trove, and it’s extremely nearby, easily
accessible and according to our NASA/Apollo era it’s a perfectly
harmless location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At least
deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be accomplished
within as little as 3 days (2 days if we’re talking one-way
deliveries), and terrific cell-phone service via an Earth-moon L1
transponder would only have a 2.6 second delay loop (1.3 sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from the direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or arrays of PV panels could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch while radiating 1220
w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
I agree, as to the inverse density of its innards below that thick and
fused paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 (average could easily be
3.75 g/cm3) is going to offer that of a considerably lower or inverse
interior density, that could even be somewhat hollow or kinda porous
(aka gas filled or even conceivable as hosting pockets or layers of
complex hydrocarbons and mineral brines).
> > You'll need to phrase the question better. What is "temperature" in
> > this context? Are you asking for the energy density on the lunar
> > surface of earthshine? I can't think of a reasonable way to discuss
> > the effects of earthshine using units of temperature.
Pick a spot, any good old spot on the nearside of our physically dark
moon that gets unobstructed access to full planetshine/earthshine, and
tell us what the added IR influx from full planetshine warms up that
physically dark and otherwise nighttime darkened moon of ours.
We already know that most of the farside nighttime (when receiving no
sunlight or planetshine) and especially within polar craters that also
do a good job of shading and/or preventing direct sun or planetshine
illumination, can represent a nighttime surface temperature of 25 K or
possibly less (more recent LROC data has a pola nearside shaded crater
basin pegged at 35 K). So, if given 25 K as the natural surface
nighttime minimum (without sunlight or planetshine), then how much
warmer does full-planetshine bring up or boost the nearside nighttime
temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
like 125 K, or full IR planetshine = 20.75 w/m2. Visually the
earthshine/planetshine can be worth 50 times what full moonlight
represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s by no means too
dark to see really good (especially in the bluish and violet spectrum
of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200 watts + 10 m2 of
short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish planetshine
should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw with hardly
any significant technology or deployed mass, and of course by day that
available energy density goes way the hell up.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for the .07
albedo of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not reconcile
our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07) albedo and
strong contrast issues, with any of those Apollo mission obtained
images recorded on Kodak film, but that’s just conditional physics or
something totally weird happening, because not even Kodak will
authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to interpret as a
rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly any color,
minimal contrast and never any frame of film affected by X-rays, gamma
or heat.
Terrestrial basalts are simply less paramagnetic:
“The basaltic bedrock of the oceanic crust is classified as. (1)
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically heavy as well as fused near carbonado hard,
at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and subsequently
very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth over 3.1 g/
cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our physically dark
moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron, titanium, thorium
and even greater than Earth amounts of uranium, whereas surface
mascons that are substantial enough to affect satellite orbits are
suggesting where even greater concentrations of heavy metallicity
elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with heavy elements, whereas the upper mantel offers 3.3 g/
cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of 3.5+ g/cm3 is a
significant factor of greater metallicity that somehow entirely
alluded our NASA/Apollo era.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
offset towards Earth from center by upwards of 25%. This core could
be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice like low density rock of
mostly solidified silica that melts at 1600 K, as perfectly capable of
having stored great amounts of gas and conceivably water in addition
to hosting various metallicity elements of good value, and there’s no
good reason to think our moon doesn’t have hydrocarbons.
Using as somewhat smaller TBM or just drilling a one meter diameter
geothermal path towards the core should give a Stirling cycle power
source that’s rather enormous and sustainable for at least a thousand
years of pulling out a continuous terawatt of energy, with no possible
harm done. That’s only extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should be
no shortage of thorium to fuel local reactors that should be polar
located so as to having a continuous benefit of extremely cool shade
within deep craters that offer something like 40 K. Otherwise 100%
plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact and mobile.
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 1:25:13 PM12/1/11
to
Private enterprise and their aggressive forms of applied ingenuity
could get a real boost by opening up these off-world metallicity
resources, thereby allowing such competitive markets to flourish.
This would not only help finance governments by way of creating
millions of good paying jobs, but it would also greatly alleviate the
terrestrial trauma and current status of rare element hoarding,
subsequent greed and artificial scarcity that’s creating so much
unnecessary inflation and wealth disparity, not to mention holding
back the global advancements of technology.
I believe the off-world metallicity potential value is truly
considerable, not that small deposits, pockets or layers of similar
elements can’t be continually located, uncovered and painstakingly
extracted from within Earth as long as we don’t mind having to pay
through the nose and put up with those giant or immense gaping open
pit mines and thousands of miles worth of conventional hard-rock
mining plus TBMs going every which way, not to mention their
destructive fracking for hydrocarbons and other secondary
environmental impact issues (especially once we include their using
horrific explosives, disposing of unwanted material with trace
elements of typically nasty stuff, often dealing with massive volumes
of mineral transports, considerable ore processing and final
distributions that are all becoming enormous energy hogs and otherwise
global polluting as well as representing tremendous fresh water
consumption and thereby getting kind of spendy and problematic as
hell, not to mention potentially lethal to those directly in the
industry). In other words, there’s plenty of room or margin for off-
world error, complications and do-overs, without further traumatizing
our frail environment or endangering a tenth as many lives than
already put at risk.
Apparently I’m not the first to publish topics and submit arguments
about the greater values of going off-world for obtaining those rare
metallicity elements. For many years William Mook has been posting
his investigative research manifestos on this same logic and
explaining the enormous payback for going off-world, but others too
with more or less expertise have been saying the same for decades. My
LSE-CM/ISS topics were all about making our moon a whole lot more
affordably accessible, and for allowing robotics to do their
relentless thing so as to minimize our personal exposures to those raw
surface elements that I believe can become lethal until underground
TBMs are cutting through that paramagnetic basalt at 12 m/day, and
perhaps even 24 up to 33 meters per day is technically possible (once
operating below that extremely tough basalt crust, TBMs cutting
through the inverse density shouldn’t have any problems making 100+
meters per day).
Our NASA/Apollo era supposedly proved to us how perfectly doable it is
for getting ourselves safely to/from our moon. Though initially it
was kinda spendy and always somewhat fly-by-rocket risky, however our
NASA and DARPA proved that the laws of physics are seemingly a little
different for that moon (even having screwed up their Kodak film by
making it impossible to get any bad radiation or even any hint of UV
reactive hues from the local metallicity (in fact even that of a
nearby Venus within the same FOV as the physically dark surface of our
naked moon was apparently next to impossible), that which oddly imaged
as a mostly pastel light-gray or even somewhat guano-like monochrome
surface (none of it the lest bit dark basalt) that wasn’t paramagnetic
and remained as entirely UV inert, as well as always having nicely
minimized photographic contrast issues, depicting a terrain of only
soft rolling hills with virtually none of the physically dark and
paramagnetic basalt bedrock or any crater shards showing, as well as
practically no significant accumulations of crystal dry dust,
meteorites or secondary impact shards, and otherwise providing nearly
ideal surface tension that clumped rather nicely and otherwise offered
darn good tire treading on behalf of each and every step or wheel roll
of the way, suggesting that most of the crater ejected displacements
of local basalt somehow got away from the moon.
In other words, why bother searching for viable exoplanets that can’t
possibly be reached, or even going much further than our moon and
Venus for such terrific off-world metallicity?
BTW; Don't even bother to look critically close at what the planet
Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind discovering what your
government and their fellow partners hasn't been willing to tell us or
otherwise share for well over a decade and counting.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
could get a real boost by opening up these off-world metallicity
resources, thereby allowing such competitive markets to flourish.
This would not only help finance governments by way of creating
millions of good paying jobs, but it would also greatly alleviate the
terrestrial trauma and current status of rare element hoarding,
subsequent greed and artificial scarcity that’s creating so much
unnecessary inflation and wealth disparity, not to mention holding
back the global advancements of technology.
I believe the off-world metallicity potential value is truly
considerable, not that small deposits, pockets or layers of similar
elements can’t be continually located, uncovered and painstakingly
extracted from within Earth as long as we don’t mind having to pay
through the nose and put up with those giant or immense gaping open
pit mines and thousands of miles worth of conventional hard-rock
mining plus TBMs going every which way, not to mention their
destructive fracking for hydrocarbons and other secondary
environmental impact issues (especially once we include their using
horrific explosives, disposing of unwanted material with trace
elements of typically nasty stuff, often dealing with massive volumes
of mineral transports, considerable ore processing and final
distributions that are all becoming enormous energy hogs and otherwise
global polluting as well as representing tremendous fresh water
consumption and thereby getting kind of spendy and problematic as
hell, not to mention potentially lethal to those directly in the
industry). In other words, there’s plenty of room or margin for off-
world error, complications and do-overs, without further traumatizing
our frail environment or endangering a tenth as many lives than
already put at risk.
Apparently I’m not the first to publish topics and submit arguments
about the greater values of going off-world for obtaining those rare
metallicity elements. For many years William Mook has been posting
his investigative research manifestos on this same logic and
explaining the enormous payback for going off-world, but others too
with more or less expertise have been saying the same for decades. My
LSE-CM/ISS topics were all about making our moon a whole lot more
affordably accessible, and for allowing robotics to do their
relentless thing so as to minimize our personal exposures to those raw
surface elements that I believe can become lethal until underground
TBMs are cutting through that paramagnetic basalt at 12 m/day, and
perhaps even 24 up to 33 meters per day is technically possible (once
operating below that extremely tough basalt crust, TBMs cutting
through the inverse density shouldn’t have any problems making 100+
meters per day).
Our NASA/Apollo era supposedly proved to us how perfectly doable it is
for getting ourselves safely to/from our moon. Though initially it
was kinda spendy and always somewhat fly-by-rocket risky, however our
NASA and DARPA proved that the laws of physics are seemingly a little
different for that moon (even having screwed up their Kodak film by
making it impossible to get any bad radiation or even any hint of UV
reactive hues from the local metallicity (in fact even that of a
nearby Venus within the same FOV as the physically dark surface of our
naked moon was apparently next to impossible), that which oddly imaged
as a mostly pastel light-gray or even somewhat guano-like monochrome
surface (none of it the lest bit dark basalt) that wasn’t paramagnetic
and remained as entirely UV inert, as well as always having nicely
minimized photographic contrast issues, depicting a terrain of only
soft rolling hills with virtually none of the physically dark and
paramagnetic basalt bedrock or any crater shards showing, as well as
practically no significant accumulations of crystal dry dust,
meteorites or secondary impact shards, and otherwise providing nearly
ideal surface tension that clumped rather nicely and otherwise offered
darn good tire treading on behalf of each and every step or wheel roll
of the way, suggesting that most of the crater ejected displacements
of local basalt somehow got away from the moon.
In other words, why bother searching for viable exoplanets that can’t
possibly be reached, or even going much further than our moon and
Venus for such terrific off-world metallicity?
BTW; Don't even bother to look critically close at what the planet
Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind discovering what your
government and their fellow partners hasn't been willing to tell us or
otherwise share for well over a decade and counting.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 1:54:43 PM12/1/11
to
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply too geothermal and
greenhouse toasty for accommodating our naked Goldilocks to frolic
upon its mostly geothermally heated surface, and Mars being too far
away as well as cryogenic anti-nudist worthy by night and otherwise
still mostly too damn cold by day, then perhaps those supposedly worse
day/night environments of our physically dark and naked moon should be
reconsidered as just about right, even in nighttime when receiving
20.75 w/m2 of IR planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine
really isn’t exactly dimly illuminated.
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
logical step towards other off-world adventures and rewards.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
or space diamonds) as easily obtained and exported from our physically
dark moon to Earth should be worth at least near 10% of clear gem
grade diamonds in the rough (which can be worth $5M/kg), not to
mention the more direct value of turning that black carbonado diamond
into continuous tether fibers, however the current gem quality
carbonado bling can bring upwards of $25M/kg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
The Black Star of Africa at 202 carats (40.4 g) valued at $1.2M was
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
up to isn’t going to be exactly pleased to hear about any commercial
or private enterprise that’s capable of delivering large amounts of
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
large chunks of paramagnetic carbonado), and if any nearby off-world
location should by rights have more than its fair share of impact
generated carbonado would seem to be our physically dark and
extensively paramagnetic basalt moon, even though below its thick and
extremely tough crust is likely offering a somewhat inverse density
that could go for as light as silica pumice. The density of slightly
paramagnetic carbonado is only 3.5 g/cm3, although somewhat higher
density variations of black basalt up to 4.5 g/cm3 could exist as
higher paramagnetic forms of black diamond. Unlike most of the common
lunar basalt bedrock that’s worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of
terrestrial basalts are closer to 3.1 g/cm3 and seldom exceed 3.5 g/
cm3.
Getting those massive TBMs and other robotics for managing their
spoils and tailings safely onto the moon certainly isn’t going to be
easy, although William Mook seems to know how, as well as affordably
and with payload and fuel to spare. According to our NASA/Apollo era,
the fly-by-rocket lander technology doesn’t even require any powerful
momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any significant computers to help
manage their continually shifting center of gravity, steady their
downrange navigation and essentially stabilize their downrange trek to
fully controlled soft landings in spite of their CG variables, as well
as since there’s hardly any dust or much less electrostatic issues,
and/or hardly any significant buildup of crystal dry soil of any loose
material from impactors or crater secondary media of crushed or
exploded basalt to contend with, should represent that relatively
small surface-area landing pads are required because, the paramagnetic
and nearly black basalt bedrock is always available to support as many
terrestrial tonnes or as many lunar equivalent (167 kg) units of force
per cm2 as necessary (surface loading of 1.67 lunar tonnes/cm2 should
not be any problem according to our NASA/Apollo era), and apparently
getting rid of surplus heat (even if working hard under full sunlight
plus roasted by secondary IR from the local terrain) isn’t unresolved
nor even all that complex (according to our NASA/Apollo wizards that
lost most of our spendy R&D, it took hardly any water sublime/
evaporation for keeping our astronauts perfectly cool in their bulky
moon-suits that also had to continually get rid of 500+ watts of body
heat).
Even by earthshine IR that’s worth 20.75 w/m2 plus offering as much as
50 fold brighter illumination than moonlight on Earth, is as good as
it ever needs to get for nighttime surface operations to function
every bit as good as by day. Obviously nighttime on the moon is
perfectly ideal for getting rid of surplus machinery and operator
heat, though once these TBMs get underground, day or night isn’t going
to matter.
Such TBMs can easily be HTP + synfuel powered, as well as obviously
nuclear/plutonium reactor powered or conceivably fully electrified as
provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling generators. Such
mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils removal via other
mostly robotic machines would initially require some human technicians
for their detail assembly and adjustments as the usual TBM wear and
tear takes place (mostly for servicing and/or replacements of their
carbonado rock cutting wheels). Tunnel excavations and surface
conveyors or various debris hauling trucks might as well be fully
telerobotic since the command loop delay using controllers from Earth
is going to be roughly 2.6 seconds, or from Selene L1 being only
slightly greater than 0.4 second would offer nearly as good of TBM and
other machine control as for their operators being right on the moon.
Of course there’s always the option of ignoring off-world metallicity,
and just sticking with the problematic plan of excavating everything
out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until it’s too spendy and bloody
to be worth the effort.
greenhouse toasty for accommodating our naked Goldilocks to frolic
upon its mostly geothermally heated surface, and Mars being too far
away as well as cryogenic anti-nudist worthy by night and otherwise
still mostly too damn cold by day, then perhaps those supposedly worse
day/night environments of our physically dark and naked moon should be
reconsidered as just about right, even in nighttime when receiving
20.75 w/m2 of IR planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine
really isn’t exactly dimly illuminated.
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
logical step towards other off-world adventures and rewards.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
or space diamonds) as easily obtained and exported from our physically
dark moon to Earth should be worth at least near 10% of clear gem
grade diamonds in the rough (which can be worth $5M/kg), not to
mention the more direct value of turning that black carbonado diamond
into continuous tether fibers, however the current gem quality
carbonado bling can bring upwards of $25M/kg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
The Black Star of Africa at 202 carats (40.4 g) valued at $1.2M was
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
up to isn’t going to be exactly pleased to hear about any commercial
or private enterprise that’s capable of delivering large amounts of
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
large chunks of paramagnetic carbonado), and if any nearby off-world
location should by rights have more than its fair share of impact
generated carbonado would seem to be our physically dark and
extensively paramagnetic basalt moon, even though below its thick and
extremely tough crust is likely offering a somewhat inverse density
that could go for as light as silica pumice. The density of slightly
paramagnetic carbonado is only 3.5 g/cm3, although somewhat higher
density variations of black basalt up to 4.5 g/cm3 could exist as
higher paramagnetic forms of black diamond. Unlike most of the common
lunar basalt bedrock that’s worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of
terrestrial basalts are closer to 3.1 g/cm3 and seldom exceed 3.5 g/
cm3.
Getting those massive TBMs and other robotics for managing their
spoils and tailings safely onto the moon certainly isn’t going to be
easy, although William Mook seems to know how, as well as affordably
and with payload and fuel to spare. According to our NASA/Apollo era,
the fly-by-rocket lander technology doesn’t even require any powerful
momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any significant computers to help
manage their continually shifting center of gravity, steady their
downrange navigation and essentially stabilize their downrange trek to
fully controlled soft landings in spite of their CG variables, as well
as since there’s hardly any dust or much less electrostatic issues,
and/or hardly any significant buildup of crystal dry soil of any loose
material from impactors or crater secondary media of crushed or
exploded basalt to contend with, should represent that relatively
small surface-area landing pads are required because, the paramagnetic
and nearly black basalt bedrock is always available to support as many
terrestrial tonnes or as many lunar equivalent (167 kg) units of force
per cm2 as necessary (surface loading of 1.67 lunar tonnes/cm2 should
not be any problem according to our NASA/Apollo era), and apparently
getting rid of surplus heat (even if working hard under full sunlight
plus roasted by secondary IR from the local terrain) isn’t unresolved
nor even all that complex (according to our NASA/Apollo wizards that
lost most of our spendy R&D, it took hardly any water sublime/
evaporation for keeping our astronauts perfectly cool in their bulky
moon-suits that also had to continually get rid of 500+ watts of body
heat).
Even by earthshine IR that’s worth 20.75 w/m2 plus offering as much as
50 fold brighter illumination than moonlight on Earth, is as good as
it ever needs to get for nighttime surface operations to function
every bit as good as by day. Obviously nighttime on the moon is
perfectly ideal for getting rid of surplus machinery and operator
heat, though once these TBMs get underground, day or night isn’t going
to matter.
Such TBMs can easily be HTP + synfuel powered, as well as obviously
nuclear/plutonium reactor powered or conceivably fully electrified as
provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling generators. Such
mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils removal via other
mostly robotic machines would initially require some human technicians
for their detail assembly and adjustments as the usual TBM wear and
tear takes place (mostly for servicing and/or replacements of their
carbonado rock cutting wheels). Tunnel excavations and surface
conveyors or various debris hauling trucks might as well be fully
telerobotic since the command loop delay using controllers from Earth
is going to be roughly 2.6 seconds, or from Selene L1 being only
slightly greater than 0.4 second would offer nearly as good of TBM and
other machine control as for their operators being right on the moon.
Of course there’s always the option of ignoring off-world metallicity,
and just sticking with the problematic plan of excavating everything
out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until it’s too spendy and bloody
to be worth the effort.
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 2:50:57 PM12/1/11
to
Near unlimited metallicity resources and extreme profits from space,
though it gets better yet when obtained from our moon and Venus.
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply too geothermal and
greenhouse toasty for accommodating our naked Goldilocks to frolic
upon its mostly geothermally active surface that’s still spewing and
venting like crazy, and Mars being too far away as well as cryogenic
Such powerful TBMs can easily be HTP + synfuel powered, as well as
establishing the cool Venus L2 outpost as our off-world gateway/oasis,
and call it good.
though it gets better yet when obtained from our moon and Venus.
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply too geothermal and
greenhouse toasty for accommodating our naked Goldilocks to frolic
venting like crazy, and Mars being too far away as well as cryogenic
anti-nudist worthy by night and otherwise still mostly too damn cold
by day, then perhaps those supposedly worse day/night environments of
our physically dark and naked moon should be reconsidered as just
about right, even in nighttime when receiving 20.75 w/m2 of IR
planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine really isn’t
exactly dimly illuminated.
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
perfectly logical next step towards other off-world adventures and
by day, then perhaps those supposedly worse day/night environments of
our physically dark and naked moon should be reconsidered as just
about right, even in nighttime when receiving 20.75 w/m2 of IR
planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine really isn’t
exactly dimly illuminated.
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
obviously nuclear/plutonium reactor powered or conceivably fully
electrified as provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling
generators. Such mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils
removal via other mostly robotic machines would initially require some
interactive human technicians for their detail assembly and
electrified as provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling
generators. Such mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils
removal via other mostly robotic machines would initially require some
adjustments as the usual TBM wear and tear takes place (mostly for
servicing and/or replacements of their carbonado rock cutting
wheels). Tunnel excavations and surface conveyors or various debris
hauling trucks might as well be fully telerobotic since the command
loop delay using controllers from Earth is going to be roughly 2.6
seconds, or from Selene L1 being only slightly greater than 0.4 second
would offer nearly as good of TBM and other machine control as for
their operators being right on the moon.
Of course there’s always the option of denial and ignoring off-world
servicing and/or replacements of their carbonado rock cutting
wheels). Tunnel excavations and surface conveyors or various debris
hauling trucks might as well be fully telerobotic since the command
loop delay using controllers from Earth is going to be roughly 2.6
seconds, or from Selene L1 being only slightly greater than 0.4 second
would offer nearly as good of TBM and other machine control as for
their operators being right on the moon.
metallicity, and just sticking with the problematic plan of excavating
everything out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until it’s too spendy
and bloody to be worth the effort. We could also just go for
everything out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until it’s too spendy
establishing the cool Venus L2 outpost as our off-world gateway/oasis,
and call it good.
On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 3:43:29 PM12/1/11
to
Mention damn near anything that’s the least bit new and/or improved,
or so much as reinterpret and publish anything that’s not 100% NASA
and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky brown-nosed clowns get
all fluffed up and nasty with their collective borg like army of
public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author stalking and
damage-control as they can muster.
Good grief, it seems that I have created a media and K12 threat
situation of great mainstream status-quo concern, such as whenever I
mention metallicity and associate that term with our physically dark
moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus that seems to already have
something intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry
about all that.
Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral science expertise
can help research and interpret what we’re looking at, by deductively
interpreting the best available science pertaining to our physically
dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as interpreting as to
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
planet Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind further
discovering what your government and their public-funded fellow
and thereby properly enlarge a digital image, I can also help with
that (free of charge), so that you can see directly for yourself
what’s so interesting and sitting in plain sight, thereby easily
proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
> http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot...
or so much as reinterpret and publish anything that’s not 100% NASA
and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky brown-nosed clowns get
all fluffed up and nasty with their collective borg like army of
public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author stalking and
damage-control as they can muster.
Good grief, it seems that I have created a media and K12 threat
situation of great mainstream status-quo concern, such as whenever I
mention metallicity and associate that term with our physically dark
moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus that seems to already have
something intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry
about all that.
Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral science expertise
can help research and interpret what we’re looking at, by deductively
interpreting the best available science pertaining to our physically
dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as interpreting as to
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
planet Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind further
discovering what your government and their public-funded fellow
partners hasn't been willing to tell us or otherwise share for well
over a decade and counting. If you simply can’t manage to resample
and thereby properly enlarge a digital image, I can also help with
that (free of charge), so that you can see directly for yourself
what’s so interesting and sitting in plain sight, thereby easily
proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
> Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
> “Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
> they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
> approximately 10.5 RH ).”
> http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
> https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
>
> Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
> carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
> is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
> more).
> http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot...
> “Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
> they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
> approximately 10.5 RH ).”
> http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
> https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
>
> Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
> carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
> is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
> more).
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 3:27:10 PM12/1/11
to
Mention damn near anything, or so much as reinterpret anything that’s
enlarge a digital image, I can also help with that, so that you can
> http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot...
not 100% NASA and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky brown-
nosed clowns get all fluffed up and nasty with their collective borg
like army of public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author
stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
Good grief, it seems that I have created a situation of great
nosed clowns get all fluffed up and nasty with their collective borg
like army of public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author
stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
mainstream status-quo concern, such as whenever I mention metallicity
and associate that term with our physically dark moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus that seems to already have something
intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry about all
that.
Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral science expertise
can help research and interpret what we’re looking at, by deductively
interpreting the best available science pertaining to our physically
dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as interpreting as to
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
planet Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind discovering what
and associate that term with our physically dark moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus that seems to already have something
intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry about all
that.
Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral science expertise
can help research and interpret what we’re looking at, by deductively
interpreting the best available science pertaining to our physically
dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as interpreting as to
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
your government and their public-funded fellow partners hasn't been
willing to tell us or otherwise share for well over a decade and
counting. If you can’t manage to resample and thereby properly
willing to tell us or otherwise share for well over a decade and
enlarge a digital image, I can also help with that, so that you can
see directly for yourself what’s so interesting and sitting in plain
sight, thereby easily proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
sight, thereby easily proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Dec 1, 11:50 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
> “Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
> they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
> approximately 10.5 RH ).”
> http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
> https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
>
> Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
> carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
> is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
> more).
> http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot...
> “Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
> they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
> approximately 10.5 RH ).”
> http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
> https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
>
> Such natural carbonado has terrific value to some, whereas a 4 g (20
> carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November 2010
> is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
> more).
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 4:26:53 PM12/1/11
to
Dare to introduce or mention damn near anything that’s the least bit
new and/or improved, or so much as reinterpret and publish anything
offer.
Of course pressure-equalizing humans to the absolute vacuum of our
moon is going to be somewhat problematic, though not insurmountable
because, atmospheric pressure or the total lack of pressure has almost
nothing to do with the molecular binding that makes our complex DNA
function. Below a certain O2 saturation point of limited external
pressure is what makes our cells malfunction when sufficient O2 can’t
get delivered, although certain insects and a good many microbes and
spores have managed to survive extended periods in the hard vacuum of
LEO space.
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEM72XRJR4G_iss_0.html
Perhaps with some kind of replacement synthetic blood that doesn’t
lose its O2 delivery so easily could make 1 psi survivable at 100% O2
(a very risky explosive environment). However, for going the other
way towards a 100 bar atmospheric environment, the situation only
greatly improves the odds and O2 efficiency of human survival with no
detrimental affects or negative consequences. Once the TBMs for
excavating within our moon get sufficiently underground, the amount of
atmospheric pressure can be artificially pushed as high as we like
(I’m thinking 10 bar [145 psi] might be a good sustainable level since
the O2 could be reduced to something near 2% and thereby eliminate
most kinds of fires or explosive reactions)
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
planet Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind further
new and/or improved, or so much as reinterpret and publish anything
that’s not 100% NASA and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky
brown-nosed clowns get all fluffed up and nasty with their collective
borg like army of public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author
stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
Good grief, it seems that I have created a media taboo and K12 threat
stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
situation of great mainstream status-quo concern, such as whenever I
mention metallicity and dare associate that term with our physically
dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus that seems to already
have something intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry
about all that. Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral
science expertise can help research and interpret what we’re looking
at, by deductively interpreting the best available science pertaining
to our physically dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as
interpreting as to what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to
have something intelligent going after valuable stuff. Terribly sorry
about all that. Perhaps others with sufficient geology and mineral
science expertise can help research and interpret what we’re looking
at, by deductively interpreting the best available science pertaining
to our physically dark and metallicity saturated moon, as well as
offer.
Of course pressure-equalizing humans to the absolute vacuum of our
moon is going to be somewhat problematic, though not insurmountable
because, atmospheric pressure or the total lack of pressure has almost
nothing to do with the molecular binding that makes our complex DNA
function. Below a certain O2 saturation point of limited external
pressure is what makes our cells malfunction when sufficient O2 can’t
get delivered, although certain insects and a good many microbes and
spores have managed to survive extended periods in the hard vacuum of
LEO space.
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEM72XRJR4G_iss_0.html
Perhaps with some kind of replacement synthetic blood that doesn’t
lose its O2 delivery so easily could make 1 psi survivable at 100% O2
(a very risky explosive environment). However, for going the other
way towards a 100 bar atmospheric environment, the situation only
greatly improves the odds and O2 efficiency of human survival with no
detrimental affects or negative consequences. Once the TBMs for
excavating within our moon get sufficiently underground, the amount of
atmospheric pressure can be artificially pushed as high as we like
(I’m thinking 10 bar [145 psi] might be a good sustainable level since
the O2 could be reduced to something near 2% and thereby eliminate
most kinds of fires or explosive reactions)
Btw; Don't even bother to look critically close at whatever the
discovering what your government and their public-funded fellow
partners hasn't been willing to tell us or otherwise share for well
over a decade and counting. If you simply can’t manage to resample
partners hasn't been willing to tell us or otherwise share for well
and thereby properly enlarge a digital image, I can also help with
that (free of charge), so that you can see directly for yourself
what’s so interesting and sitting in plain sight, thereby easily
proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
proving that I’m not making any of this up.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
HVAC
Dec 1, 2011, 6:01:08 PM12/1/11
to
On 12/1/2011 4:26 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Dare to introduce or mention damn near anything that’s the least bit
> new and/or improved, or so much as reinterpret and publish anything
> that’s not 100% NASA and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky
> brown-nosed clowns get all fluffed up and nasty with their collective
> borg like army of public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author
> stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
>
> Good grief, it seems that I have created a media taboo and K12 threat
> situation of great mainstream status-quo concern,
Guth: The fact of the matter is that you're boring.
> Dare to introduce or mention damn near anything that’s the least bit
> new and/or improved, or so much as reinterpret and publish anything
> that’s not 100% NASA and oligarch/Semite approved, and those pesky
> brown-nosed clowns get all fluffed up and nasty with their collective
> borg like army of public-funded FUD-masters doing all the topic/author
> stalking and damage-control as they can muster.
>
> Good grief, it seems that I have created a media taboo and K12 threat
> situation of great mainstream status-quo concern,
In fact, you are SO boring that when I read your shit
it goes like this in my head... "Blah, blah, blah.. Metallicity"
Or, "Blah, blah, blah...Venus".
So in response, allow me to say this, "Blah, blah, blah...Moron".
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 6:03:26 PM12/1/11
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Metallicity has unavoidable color/hue issues that even the most
politically and faith-based conditional physics that’s apparently
genetically colorblind, can’t forever hide from the rest of us normal
politically and faith-based conditional physics that’s apparently
humans, and it’s especially exposed to us by the naked environment of
requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted yourself
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
HVAC
Dec 1, 2011, 6:25:46 PM12/1/11
to
Gus, this post was SO funny, I sent it along to some friends!
(Well, at least they USED to be my friends)
Brad Guth
Dec 1, 2011, 8:48:52 PM12/1/11
to
To further explore the value/risk of this off-world metallicity,
perhaps we first need to better appreciate that our physically dark
moon is a metallicity treasure trove, it’s extremely nearby, easily
accessible and according to our NASA/Apollo era it’s a perfectly
harmless location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At least
deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be accomplished
within as little as 3 days (2 days if we’re talking one-way disposable
harmless location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At least
deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be accomplished
deliveries), and terrific cell-phone service via an Earth-moon L1
transponder would only have a 2.6 second delay loop (1.3 sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from the direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or arrays of PV panels could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch while radiating 1220
w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
I agree, but only as a whole is it offering less density, whereas the
transponder would only have a 2.6 second delay loop (1.3 sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from the direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or arrays of PV panels could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch while radiating 1220
w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
>
> Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
> elements of our physically dark moon, that should have offered loads
> of physically dark naturals as well as those UV reactive bluish
> colors, we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near
> monochromatic terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even
> their very own LRO mission still can’t seem to reconcile.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_...
> Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
> elements of our physically dark moon, that should have offered loads
> of physically dark naturals as well as those UV reactive bluish
> colors, we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near
> monochromatic terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even
William Mook
Dec 2, 2011, 4:00:10 AM12/2/11
to
this ought to make Brad happy - someone funded an H2O2 fuel developer
in Switzerland
http://www.youtube.com/user/swisscaching?feature=watch
Go figure!
lol.
I hope you appreciate the work done here Brad!
Its all carbon free!
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/
Even rocket grade!
http://www.swissrocketman.com/perochem/ete24.html
Here's a plant for sale, cheap, since the builder lost his funding!
http://www.made-in-china.com/traderoom/tsingxintech/offer-detailkbwnqMoBrtfS/Sell-Hydrogen-Peroxide-Plant-Project.html
in Switzerland
http://www.youtube.com/user/swisscaching?feature=watch
Go figure!
lol.
I hope you appreciate the work done here Brad!
Its all carbon free!
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/
Even rocket grade!
http://www.swissrocketman.com/perochem/ete24.html
Here's a plant for sale, cheap, since the builder lost his funding!
http://www.made-in-china.com/traderoom/tsingxintech/offer-detailkbwnqMoBrtfS/Sell-Hydrogen-Peroxide-Plant-Project.html
Brad Guth
Dec 2, 2011, 1:33:27 PM12/2/11
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Earth needs a lot of h2o2 for all sorts of things besides clean energy
or high density batteries. However, a duel fuel ICE using your
Mokenergy synfuel from coal and my HTP would certainly run extremely
clean and powerful for such a purely liquid form of stored energy.
Brad Guth
Dec 2, 2011, 3:48:04 PM12/2/11
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Nearly unlimited metallicity resources and extremely good terrestrial
benefits as well as profits from space, seems like a really
fantastically good investment deal, though it gets a whole lot better
yet when obtained from our physically dark moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus. Together they’re worth at least quadrillions in
2012 loot, because unlike limited or finite terrestrial metallicity
and hydrocarbon resources, these other two will year after year keep
on giving to suit our demands.
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply too geothermal and
greenhouse toasty for accommodating your naked Goldilocks to frolic
upon its mostly geothermally active surface that’s only 300 million
year old and still spewing and venting like crazy, and with Mars being
a shield from cosmic radiation and meteors that’ll impact at near full
velocity, then perhaps those supposedly worse day/night environments
plus extra IR to work by).
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
perfectly logical next step towards accomplishing other off-world
adventures and rewards. Even LiftPort is going for a proof of concept
for their LSE utilizing a Zylon fiber of 5.8 GPa for their initial
tether, whereas black diamond (carbonado fiber) GPa is obviously going
to offer way better performance, and perhaps even common basalt
continuous fiber is sufficient for this application (“Young's modulus
of Basalt fiber Varies between 78 and 90 GPa”) with a 4.84 tensile
strength applied into a tapered tether seems doable. Otherwise raw
carbonado can also be artificially grown within the hard-vacuum of
space, although artificially producing most any pure form of carbon
diamond and of most any volume can also be accomplished without using
pressure because such carbon molecules really don’t need pressure in
order to develop into large diamond crystals. Lunar carbonado should
actually be fairly common and in good natural volume to reutilize as
is.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
or space diamonds) as easily obtained and exported from our physically
dark moon to Earth should be worth at least near 10% of clear gem
grade diamonds in the rough (which can be worth $5M/kg), not to
mention the more direct value of turning that black carbonado diamond
into continuous tether fibers, however the current gem quality
carbonado bling can bring upwards of $25M/kg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
tough as that extremely thick basalt crust of our moon.
The daunting task of getting those massive TBMs and other robotics for
words, not utilized as just a monopropellant, although that too can be
done if far less bang per kg of HTP is desirable), as well as
debris hauling trucks might as well be fully telerobotic since their
perpetual denial and simply ignoring off-world metallicity, thereby
just sticking with the problematic and greater disparity proven plan
good, and for the moment and foreseeable future simply forget about
utilizing our moon because, our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is a
seriously hot location that’ll require artificial shades and/or
considerable technology for heat removal in spite of getting solar and
moon IR roasted to death.
benefits as well as profits from space, seems like a really
fantastically good investment deal, though it gets a whole lot better
yet when obtained from our physically dark moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus. Together they’re worth at least quadrillions in
2012 loot, because unlike limited or finite terrestrial metallicity
and hydrocarbon resources, these other two will year after year keep
on giving to suit our demands.
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply too geothermal and
upon its mostly geothermally active surface that’s only 300 million
year old and still spewing and venting like crazy, and with Mars being
too far away as well as cryogenic anti-nudist worthy by night and
otherwise still mostly too damn frozen cold by day as well as lacking
a shield from cosmic radiation and meteors that’ll impact at near full
velocity, then perhaps those supposedly worse day/night environments
of our physically dark and naked moon should be reconsidered as just
about right, such as even in nighttime when receiving 20.75 w/m2 of IR
planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine really isn’t
exactly a dimly illuminated environment (kind of like having two suns
plus extra IR to work by).
The Next Great Thing: Exploiting our physically dark moon seems a
adventures and rewards. Even LiftPort is going for a proof of concept
for their LSE utilizing a Zylon fiber of 5.8 GPa for their initial
tether, whereas black diamond (carbonado fiber) GPa is obviously going
to offer way better performance, and perhaps even common basalt
continuous fiber is sufficient for this application (“Young's modulus
of Basalt fiber Varies between 78 and 90 GPa”) with a 4.84 tensile
strength applied into a tapered tether seems doable. Otherwise raw
carbonado can also be artificially grown within the hard-vacuum of
space, although artificially producing most any pure form of carbon
diamond and of most any volume can also be accomplished without using
pressure because such carbon molecules really don’t need pressure in
order to develop into large diamond crystals. Lunar carbonado should
actually be fairly common and in good natural volume to reutilize as
is.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
or space diamonds) as easily obtained and exported from our physically
dark moon to Earth should be worth at least near 10% of clear gem
grade diamonds in the rough (which can be worth $5M/kg), not to
mention the more direct value of turning that black carbonado diamond
into continuous tether fibers, however the current gem quality
carbonado bling can bring upwards of $25M/kg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
Such natural carbonado has terrific bling value to some, whereas a 4
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
g (20 carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November
2010 is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
2010 is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
The Black Star of Africa at 202 carats (40.4 g) valued at $1.2M was
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
up to isn’t going to be exactly pleased to hear about any commercial
or private enterprise that’s capable of delivering large amounts of
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
large chunks of paramagnetic carbonado), and if any nearby off-world
location should by rights have more than its fair share of impact
generated carbonado would seem to be our physically dark and
extensively paramagnetic basalt moon, even though below its thick and
extremely tough crust is likely offering a somewhat inverse density
that could go for as light as silica pumice. The density of slightly
paramagnetic carbonado is only 3.5 g/cm3, although somewhat higher
density variations of black basalt up to 4.5 g/cm3 could exist as
higher paramagnetic forms of black diamond. Unlike most of the common
lunar basalt bedrock that’s worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of
terrestrial basalts are closer to 3.1 g/cm3 and seldom exceed 3.5 g/
cm3 because the relatively thin crust of Earth simply isn’t nearly as
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
up to isn’t going to be exactly pleased to hear about any commercial
or private enterprise that’s capable of delivering large amounts of
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
large chunks of paramagnetic carbonado), and if any nearby off-world
location should by rights have more than its fair share of impact
generated carbonado would seem to be our physically dark and
extensively paramagnetic basalt moon, even though below its thick and
extremely tough crust is likely offering a somewhat inverse density
that could go for as light as silica pumice. The density of slightly
paramagnetic carbonado is only 3.5 g/cm3, although somewhat higher
density variations of black basalt up to 4.5 g/cm3 could exist as
higher paramagnetic forms of black diamond. Unlike most of the common
lunar basalt bedrock that’s worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of
terrestrial basalts are closer to 3.1 g/cm3 and seldom exceed 3.5 g/
tough as that extremely thick basalt crust of our moon.
The daunting task of getting those massive TBMs and other robotics for
managing their spoils and tailings safely onto the moon certainly
isn’t going to be easy, although William Mook seems to know how, as
well as affordably and with payload and fuel to spare. According to
our NASA/Apollo era, the fly-by-rocket lander technology doesn’t even
require any powerful momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any
significant computers to help manage their continually shifting center
of gravity, steady their downrange navigation and essentially
stabilize their downrange trek to fully controlled soft landings in
spite of their CG variables, as well as since there’s hardly any dust
or much less electrostatic issues, and/or hardly any significant
buildup of crystal dry soil of any loose material from impactors or
crater secondary media of crushed or exploded basalt to contend with,
should represent that relatively small surface-area landing pads are
required because, the paramagnetic and nearly black basalt bedrock is
always available to support as many terrestrial tonnes or as many
lunar equivalent (167 kg) units of force per cm2 as necessary (surface
loading of 1.67 lunar tonnes/cm2 should not be any problem according
to our NASA/Apollo era), and apparently getting rid of surplus heat
(even if working hard under full sunlight plus roasted by secondary IR
from the local terrain) isn’t unresolved nor even all that complex
(according to our NASA/Apollo wizards that lost most of our spendy
R&D, it took hardly any water sublime/evaporation for keeping our
isn’t going to be easy, although William Mook seems to know how, as
well as affordably and with payload and fuel to spare. According to
our NASA/Apollo era, the fly-by-rocket lander technology doesn’t even
require any powerful momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any
significant computers to help manage their continually shifting center
of gravity, steady their downrange navigation and essentially
stabilize their downrange trek to fully controlled soft landings in
spite of their CG variables, as well as since there’s hardly any dust
or much less electrostatic issues, and/or hardly any significant
buildup of crystal dry soil of any loose material from impactors or
crater secondary media of crushed or exploded basalt to contend with,
should represent that relatively small surface-area landing pads are
required because, the paramagnetic and nearly black basalt bedrock is
always available to support as many terrestrial tonnes or as many
lunar equivalent (167 kg) units of force per cm2 as necessary (surface
loading of 1.67 lunar tonnes/cm2 should not be any problem according
to our NASA/Apollo era), and apparently getting rid of surplus heat
(even if working hard under full sunlight plus roasted by secondary IR
from the local terrain) isn’t unresolved nor even all that complex
(according to our NASA/Apollo wizards that lost most of our spendy
astronauts perfectly cool in their bulky moon-suits that also had to
continually get rid of 500+ watts of body heat).
Even by earthshine IR that’s worth 20.75 w/m2 plus offering as much as
50 fold brighter illumination than moonlight on Earth, is as good as
it ever needs to get for nighttime surface operations to function
every bit as good as by day. Obviously nighttime on the moon is
perfectly ideal for getting rid of surplus machinery and operator
heat, though once these TBMs get underground, day or night isn’t going
to matter.
Such powerful TBMs can easily be HTP + synfuel powered (in other
continually get rid of 500+ watts of body heat).
Even by earthshine IR that’s worth 20.75 w/m2 plus offering as much as
50 fold brighter illumination than moonlight on Earth, is as good as
it ever needs to get for nighttime surface operations to function
every bit as good as by day. Obviously nighttime on the moon is
perfectly ideal for getting rid of surplus machinery and operator
heat, though once these TBMs get underground, day or night isn’t going
to matter.
words, not utilized as just a monopropellant, although that too can be
done if far less bang per kg of HTP is desirable), as well as
obviously nuclear/plutonium reactor powered or conceivably fully
electrified as provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling
generators. Such mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils
removal via other mostly robotic machines would initially require some
interactive human technicians for their detail assembly and
adjustments as the usual TBM wear and tear takes place (mostly for
servicing and/or replacements of their carbonado rock cutting
wheels). Tunnel excavations and surface conveyors or various TBM
electrified as provided by a solar farm of PVs or Solar Stirling
generators. Such mostly robotic TBMs and their associated spoils
removal via other mostly robotic machines would initially require some
interactive human technicians for their detail assembly and
adjustments as the usual TBM wear and tear takes place (mostly for
servicing and/or replacements of their carbonado rock cutting
debris hauling trucks might as well be fully telerobotic since their
command loop delay using controllers from Earth is going to be roughly
2.6 seconds, or from a Selene L1 gateway/oasis being only slightly
greater than 0.4 second would offer nearly as good of TBM and other
machine control as for their operators being right on the moon.
Of course there’s always the mainstream failsafe option of going with
machine control as for their operators being right on the moon.
perpetual denial and simply ignoring off-world metallicity, thereby
just sticking with the problematic and greater disparity proven plan
of excavating everything out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until
it’s too spendy and/or getting too hoarded and otherwise too bloody to
be worth the effort. We could also just go for establishing the cool
Venus L2 outpost as our next off-world gateway/oasis, and call it
good, and for the moment and foreseeable future simply forget about
utilizing our moon because, our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is a
seriously hot location that’ll require artificial shades and/or
considerable technology for heat removal in spite of getting solar and
moon IR roasted to death.
On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
William Mook
Dec 2, 2011, 9:01:22 PM12/2/11
to
On Dec 2, 1:33 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's an improved helicopter that never got built
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOuoG6ljZA
And an aircraft that would have made all the money spent on airports
(and the delays associated with them) passe'
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f04_1279035546
And an aircraft that would have beaten Boeing in the post-war aviation
market - but was killed by a collusion of government and Boeing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub6U9CL0K_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOuoG6ljZA
And an aircraft that would have made all the money spent on airports
(and the delays associated with them) passe'
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f04_1279035546
And an aircraft that would have beaten Boeing in the post-war aviation
market - but was killed by a collusion of government and Boeing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub6U9CL0K_A
Brad Guth
Dec 2, 2011, 10:14:55 PM12/2/11
to
continue to dog us down. With our DARPA and NASA acting as our need-
to-know expertise primarily in charge of keeping such aviation
technology from becoming mainstream.
A modern version of that Fairey Rotodyne would have certainly been
interesting, likely efficient enough and more failsafe then most
transport alternatives. Imagine how environmentally clean and
hydrocarbon efficient if this craft were dual fueled by your Mokenergy
synfuel and HTP, or with some considerable volumetric increase in fuel
capacity, it could run on your LH2 and LOx, as well as airports not
having to be a tenth the size they currently are, and traffic holding
patterns nearly eliminated.
There would still be a need for the likes of a Boeing 737(ER Max) and
a few longer range capable options of conventional aircraft, so
perhaps not more than half the existing airports could be reduced in
size in order to save space and operations cost. Taking more than
twice as long to get yourself from point A to point B would also be
somewhat undesirable, however there'd be no contest for those commuter
flights of less than 500 miles.
Forrest Piper
Dec 3, 2011, 8:42:28 AM12/3/11
to
ideas, credit must return to where credit is due:
http://attractions.uptake.com/blog/ezekiel-airship-pittsburg-texas-3436.html
A year later, the Wright Bros. were to modify this design
into a bi-plane, and take the credit away from the Baptist
preacher. The train wreck carrying this airship to the World's
Fair was probably a conspiracy intended to steal the idea
by taking notes of its wreckage. Only one year later the
details for pedal-powered flight made it's way to the Wright
Brothers, after several experiments with gliders.
The revelation to the Baptist preacher came all at once - the
Wright Brothers over a number of years...
Brad Guth
Dec 3, 2011, 9:26:14 AM12/3/11
to
>
> A year later, the Wright Bros. were to modify this design
> into a bi-plane, and take the credit away from the Baptist
> preacher. The train wreck carrying this airship to the World's
> Fair was probably a conspiracy intended to steal the idea
> by taking notes of its wreckage. Only one year later the
> details for pedal-powered flight made it's way to the Wright
> Brothers, after several experiments with gliders.
>
> The revelation to the Baptist preacher came all at once - the
> Wright Brothers over a number of years...
The rich and powerful, plus the more Semitic the better, have always
> A year later, the Wright Bros. were to modify this design
> into a bi-plane, and take the credit away from the Baptist
> preacher. The train wreck carrying this airship to the World's
> Fair was probably a conspiracy intended to steal the idea
> by taking notes of its wreckage. Only one year later the
> details for pedal-powered flight made it's way to the Wright
> Brothers, after several experiments with gliders.
>
> The revelation to the Baptist preacher came all at once - the
> Wright Brothers over a number of years...
been into controlling who gets the credit and/or public resources.
True history is full of interesting inventive folks that got ignored
or eaten alive by the mainstream status-quo. Religion is actually a
policy of revenge with little or no policing of their own kind.
Before republics got any social/political government going, there was
only the policies and laws of religion imposed, and obviously some of
that faith-basted authority hasn't changed.
Obviously some religions have more public office and corporate
influence than others. Nothing gets into our K12 textbooks unless
it's 100% authorized by the faith-based majority, because the minority
simply doesn't count for anything.
Forrest Piper
Dec 3, 2011, 10:18:51 AM12/3/11
to
during the William H. Taft presidency. As the co-author of the Taft-
Hartley Act, professional employees were within protection of the Act,
outside of the political intentions of things like the AFL (American
Federation of Labor), which later became, after certain socialized
influence, the AFL-CIO (American Federation of Labor and Congress of
Industrial Organizations). This would allow things like inventions a
sort of 'priviledged status', barring no invasion of privacy or breach
of contract between an engineer and his 'investor'.
Something would stink about this association, IMO. If a scientist/
inventor/engineer was to receive 'protection' against 'subversive
elements' in the society (e.g. mobsters, gangsters, bootleggers and
the like), what was the 'payback' that the government would benefit
from? Is there a conspiracy within a conspiracy here? I'm saying this
because, unfortunately, Taft's father was the co-founder of Skull and
Bones, so this would immediately put suspicion on activities tending
for its members to pursue their own self-interests, rather than for
the wider, common good. One might even be tempted to conclude that the
beginning of the end in true American ingenuity occurred right around
the time Tesla's ideas of free energy became squelched by the
banksters (~ 1904), when the U.S. patent office rewarded the patent
for radio to Marconi, instead of Tesla. Unfortunately, textbooks today
are still giving credit to Marconi.
Brad Guth
Dec 3, 2011, 1:17:32 PM12/3/11
to
the money, and secondly follow the faith-based authority that's really
in charge)
Brad Guth
Dec 3, 2011, 3:10:36 PM12/3/11
to
By way of systematic obfuscation or the selective and methodical
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated outsiders with only those speculations as based upon the
negatives or inhospitable aspects to ponder. By such artificial means
of discrediting us and keeping such nearby off-world resources as
seemingly forbidden or taboo/nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps
the oligarch likes of DeBeers and the Rothschilds extensively in
control of our global economy, as well as their benefiting from each
and every good or bad step of the way, and I’m not exactly sure we can
afford to sustain this money grubbing and debauchery policy that has
to include artificial global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rocket and its fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our moon really wasn’t the least bit nasty. In fact, they found
out for us that the moon wasn’t even the least bit physically dark nor
even the least bit photographically contrasty, as well as it wasn’t
strewn with meteorites nor as having hardly any volume of secondary
shards and dust from thousands of impacts that created such numerous
and enormous craters, as well as their having proven how UV, gamma and
X-ray inert it is, as offering a kind of passive monochromatic pastel
gray fluff that offered terrific surface tension by way of nicely
clumping, plus that naked environment was not offering any significant
risk from new impacts nor anything to worry about passing specks,
pebbles and meteors that just fly past at up to 70 km/sec without
their hardly ever touching the surface nor having impacted a darn
thing we care to place upon its extremely naked surface. Therefore we
now realize that our moon has been technically doable and that it’s a
relatively harmless environment, as well as offering access to
unlimited solar energy plus having its nighttime extremely well
illuminated via terrific earthshine by upwards of 50 times that of
full moonlight, so its nearside is almost never entirely in the dark
and thereby its nearside is not allowed to get as cold by night as
we’d thought.
We’ve been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar daytime
surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/recoil
of IR contributes another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push this upwards
of reaching 138 C). However, we’re still limited or restricted as to
the NASA/Apollo era of science data that wasn’t the least bit
independently objective, so thereby we still have no good means of
knowing what the full earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the
nearside of our moon really is, and still without any truly
interactive science instruments on the lunar surface is what makes
this even more so subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate for
236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine has to heat that nearside nighttime
lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime receiving a
full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such as in some
areas we can expect 140 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there are
isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208 degrees
Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed 175 K, or
in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified maximum
cold spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone
is worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant, as more than sufficient for PV panels
to extract sufficient energy than any typical daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine.
The all-inclusive collective of starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a rather
considerable contributor towards warming the nearside moon nighttime
temperature. The planetshine IR of 20.75 w/m2 is roughly 125 K worth
of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will become true of Venus, as not being
quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2 gassy. In
fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and hydrocarbons,
Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal heated vapors that
includes water, as well as unavoidably dispensing oxygen, hydrogen,
helium along with assorted metallicity elements that give its surface
such a terrific radar reflective quality.
“Guth Venus” is just an ongoing topic that’s of research focused upon
one relatively small area of an otherwise terrific radar obtained
imaged portion of the extremely nearby planet Venus, that which seems
to depict a rather fair number of extremely interesting geology
attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly active and
complex portion of mountainous terrain, as well as depicting a fair
number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere, as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor shaped via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o
moon has but extremely few of those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a pile of hot rocks as
situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no
geometric, symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns
whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed mindset
self any further, because the rest of this topic is only going to keep
pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly intellectual game of amusing or brain-teasing
yourself, and for others being a good open minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
see if anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
radar obtained composite offering 36 confirming looks or scans per
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or kinda
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides perfectly natural reservoiring, what the hell (literally
scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover shaped reservoir
doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of obviously
interpreted as symmetrically geometric, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly connected and clearly
containing something fluid, not to mention more than a few other odd
geometric considerations that look as though quite artificial, as
though some level of logical intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have had its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative reservoir interpretation, it seems as
rather complex and enormous but otherwise could be kind of perfectly
natural, including that other somewhat conventional round reservoir
above that’s containing something fluid that also seems connected.
However, as far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial
example or that obtained from any other planet or moon as offering
anything nearly as geologically mountainous terrain and erosion
complex, plus otherwise looking as downright impressive with its
reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus offering a nearby bridge
and multiple other structural looking attributes of a logical
community that kind of depicts a rational infrastructure. So what the
hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just because the
exact same digital image resampling process was applied equally to
each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert
any of those other surrounding raw terrain pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex
looking geometries, and especially not whenever a logical community
like infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
of time as any. However, if for personal safety sake and job security
is why you have to stick within a specified social/political policy
and faith-based mainstream closed mindset, then don't even bother
yourself to risk looking at Venus unless you do not mind discovering
what your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded
peers and FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a
nearby planet of such terrific metallicity, that’s so geothermally
active.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated outsiders with only those speculations as based upon the
negatives or inhospitable aspects to ponder. By such artificial means
of discrediting us and keeping such nearby off-world resources as
seemingly forbidden or taboo/nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps
the oligarch likes of DeBeers and the Rothschilds extensively in
control of our global economy, as well as their benefiting from each
and every good or bad step of the way, and I’m not exactly sure we can
afford to sustain this money grubbing and debauchery policy that has
to include artificial global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rocket and its fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our moon really wasn’t the least bit nasty. In fact, they found
out for us that the moon wasn’t even the least bit physically dark nor
even the least bit photographically contrasty, as well as it wasn’t
strewn with meteorites nor as having hardly any volume of secondary
shards and dust from thousands of impacts that created such numerous
and enormous craters, as well as their having proven how UV, gamma and
X-ray inert it is, as offering a kind of passive monochromatic pastel
gray fluff that offered terrific surface tension by way of nicely
clumping, plus that naked environment was not offering any significant
risk from new impacts nor anything to worry about passing specks,
pebbles and meteors that just fly past at up to 70 km/sec without
their hardly ever touching the surface nor having impacted a darn
thing we care to place upon its extremely naked surface. Therefore we
now realize that our moon has been technically doable and that it’s a
relatively harmless environment, as well as offering access to
unlimited solar energy plus having its nighttime extremely well
illuminated via terrific earthshine by upwards of 50 times that of
full moonlight, so its nearside is almost never entirely in the dark
and thereby its nearside is not allowed to get as cold by night as
we’d thought.
We’ve been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar daytime
surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/recoil
of IR contributes another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push this upwards
of reaching 138 C). However, we’re still limited or restricted as to
the NASA/Apollo era of science data that wasn’t the least bit
independently objective, so thereby we still have no good means of
knowing what the full earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the
nearside of our moon really is, and still without any truly
interactive science instruments on the lunar surface is what makes
this even more so subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate for
236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine has to heat that nearside nighttime
lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime receiving a
full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such as in some
areas we can expect 140 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there are
isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208 degrees
Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed 175 K, or
in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified maximum
cold spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone
is worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant, as more than sufficient for PV panels
to extract sufficient energy than any typical daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine.
The all-inclusive collective of starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a rather
considerable contributor towards warming the nearside moon nighttime
temperature. The planetshine IR of 20.75 w/m2 is roughly 125 K worth
of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will become true of Venus, as not being
quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2 gassy. In
fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and hydrocarbons,
Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal heated vapors that
includes water, as well as unavoidably dispensing oxygen, hydrogen,
helium along with assorted metallicity elements that give its surface
such a terrific radar reflective quality.
“Guth Venus” is just an ongoing topic that’s of research focused upon
one relatively small area of an otherwise terrific radar obtained
imaged portion of the extremely nearby planet Venus, that which seems
to depict a rather fair number of extremely interesting geology
attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly active and
complex portion of mountainous terrain, as well as depicting a fair
number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere, as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor shaped via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o
moon has but extremely few of those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a pile of hot rocks as
situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no
geometric, symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns
whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed mindset
self any further, because the rest of this topic is only going to keep
pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly intellectual game of amusing or brain-teasing
yourself, and for others being a good open minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
see if anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
radar obtained composite offering 36 confirming looks or scans per
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or kinda
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides perfectly natural reservoiring, what the hell (literally
scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover shaped reservoir
doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of obviously
interpreted as symmetrically geometric, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly connected and clearly
containing something fluid, not to mention more than a few other odd
geometric considerations that look as though quite artificial, as
though some level of logical intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have had its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative reservoir interpretation, it seems as
rather complex and enormous but otherwise could be kind of perfectly
natural, including that other somewhat conventional round reservoir
above that’s containing something fluid that also seems connected.
However, as far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial
example or that obtained from any other planet or moon as offering
anything nearly as geologically mountainous terrain and erosion
complex, plus otherwise looking as downright impressive with its
reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus offering a nearby bridge
and multiple other structural looking attributes of a logical
community that kind of depicts a rational infrastructure. So what the
hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just because the
exact same digital image resampling process was applied equally to
each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert
any of those other surrounding raw terrain pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex
looking geometries, and especially not whenever a logical community
like infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
of time as any. However, if for personal safety sake and job security
is why you have to stick within a specified social/political policy
and faith-based mainstream closed mindset, then don't even bother
yourself to risk looking at Venus unless you do not mind discovering
what your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded
peers and FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a
nearby planet of such terrific metallicity, that’s so geothermally
active.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 2:18:12 PM12/4/11
to
Anyone else happen to notice the absolutely stupid topics getting
posted and/or replied to by our resident FUD-masters?
This topic stacking their infomercial crap on top of others is clearly
designed as their infowar to distract and/or discredit Usenet/
newsgroups, and to make as many K12s and higher educated folks look
elsewhere for whatever is new and interesting. This is what a public
funded gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns, mainstream parrots and their
usual army of FUD-master does best, that is whenever they are not busy
with creating 911 sorts of complications and global inflation for us.
posted and/or replied to by our resident FUD-masters?
This topic stacking their infomercial crap on top of others is clearly
designed as their infowar to distract and/or discredit Usenet/
newsgroups, and to make as many K12s and higher educated folks look
elsewhere for whatever is new and interesting. This is what a public
funded gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns, mainstream parrots and their
usual army of FUD-master does best, that is whenever they are not busy
with creating 911 sorts of complications and global inflation for us.
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 4:18:28 PM12/4/11
to
On May 8, 11:07 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 7:22 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The moon can lithobrake in any orbit. I hadn't thought of that, but
> > its true.
>
> > It subtracts between 6 and 10 km/s from the delta vee, and takes 2.4
> > km/s to send back to Earth via maglev, so that'll definitely work.
>
> I did do a study a few decades ago about structured objects striking
> the moon to create structured products on the moon. Think about
> making foamed composites, or blowing glass. You have a molten or semi-
> molten object that you apply gas pressure to to create a structured
> solid. Same here. By putting together materials in a certain way,
> both on the moon (the target) and in space (the collider) and causing
> them to collide - the energy of collision can be made to do
> significant useful work.
>
> A construction results instead of a crater.
>
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/nlsi/education/hsResearch/crateringLab/images...
>
> Basically, the impactor or collider falls into a well and makes first
> contact deep beneath the surface. The point of contact is at the
> center of a shell with a cut out where the well is. The collider
> itself fill the cut out. The kinetic energy melts the silica into
> glass. The ice and ammonium nitrate and other materials flash into
> gases. The gas blows a bubble in the molten glass. The entire
> system expands.
>
> Ice is put inside a silica shell and collided with a target of silica
> at several km/s to create a ball of molten glass that is expanded into
> large bubble several km across. As the glass cools the water
> condenses and forms a lake near the center. Ammonium Nitrate and
> other materials are also packed within the silica to decompose into a
> nitrogen oxygen atmosphere and more water. The calculation of
> atmospheric pressure is a function of amounts of materials that create
> gas and expand the bubble while molten.
>
> The kinetic energy vastly exceeds the chemical energy released in the
> reactions. However, shaping these compounds does direct and shape the
> kinetic shock waves.
>
> Digging a well and packing it with a few meters of silica is something
> that is easily done. Making a glass dome with glass floor and
> compacted foundation filled with nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere and
> substantial water is not easily done, but converting a silica filled
> well into such a dome in an instant is easily achieved.
>
> Metals too can be cast into shells that are then expanded to form thin
> reflective films reinforcement mesh and other structures during
> collision/explosion.
>
> http://www.pacaero.com/products/explosive-forming.htm
>
> Repositioning a metallic asteroid and icy moon around L1 so they
> remain there, with the metallic asteroid shielding the icy moon from
> sunlight, and putting a solar powered infrastructure on the pair to
> meet all our needs, provides a means to send large objects hurtling
> toward the moon - working in conjunction with automated diggers and
> tractors on the moon to create thousands even millions of kilometer
> sized domes on the moon that house self contained biospheres.
>
> Once the dome is formed, something a few kilometers across and a
> kilometer high, made of glass that is 100 meters thick at the base,
> and thinner as it arcs overhead - is then 'tapped' like a keg by
> bringing a powered mobile self tapping airlock to the base rim. This
> device very much like the large tunneling machines used on Earth,
> bores through the glass and allows entry and egress after
> construction.
>
> A similar approach will also work on Mars to create large domed
> biospheres there as well.
Why yes in deed, we seriously need to start utilizing our physically
dark moon, and not just for accomplishing the little added but so
badly needed spot of shade it could provide once that moon eventually
gets relocated to Earth L1, but for so many other perfectly valid
reasons of protecting and benefiting our global environment as well as
accommodating the greater needs of future human terrestrial and off-
world productivity plus the general global betterment of our quality
of life.
Actually, as is the hard vacuum of our naked moon and its unlimited
solar energy that PV panels and any Stirling driven generator should
love, by rights should make for the airless and obviously zero N2
environment worthy of creating all sorts of absolutely nifty glass and
metallic alloys plus superior synthetics or glass/ceramics/metallicity
composites and even for creating raw carbonado that could be
efficiently produced in mass quantities and easily maintained at the
absolute highest purity imaginable (short of utilizing the much harder
vacuum of the Earth-moon L1, that should offer at the very least 3e-18
bar or something far less than 200 atoms/cm3 and even possibly as good
as 20/cm3).
I’m thinking of mass producing those continuous basalt fibers and even
those of continuous carbonado (black diamond) fibers for accommodating
terrific LSE tether applications and otherwise for structural
engineered materials that simply couldn’t be affordably produced on
Earth and delivered without their costing us a thousand times greater
per kg. Even artificially creating new carbonado diamond of nearly
unlimited volume could be easily accomplished on the fly, so to speak.
It might be a whole lot easier for TBMs to tunnel us deep within the
lunar basalt crust, however constructing a sufficient glass and/or
metallic dome over a small but sufficiently deep crater (due to the
extremely tough and fused basalt crust that’s also metallicity
paramagnet is why so many craters offer less than 10% depth, though a
few of small diameter [under 10 km] being situated within much larger
craters may offer near 25% depth, and a few others of roughly 1 km
that could reach 50% depth should be absolutely ideal for capping with
a dome) would also provide surface logistics protection from most
kinds of bad cosmic and solar radiation in addition to fending off
whatever is derived from local elements and from those pesky
anticathode rays, not to mention protection from their being so easily
hit by any passing meteor or asteroid debris, although TBMs digging us
deeper into that thick and fused paramagnetic basalt would still be
highly advisable, and certainly ideal if those mostly robotic tunnel
diggers could manage to get us entirely under that thick crust where
the average density is likely less and the interior temperature is
essentially providing another constant resource of clean energy.
In other words, the less we humans are exposed to that naked lunar
surface (day or night) the better. A crater like Moltke at 7 km
diameter might be a good one to cap, although a smaller diameter
crater could offer as deep or possibly slightly deeper pocket for
improved protection and a smaller dome.
Unfortunately, the spendy LROC WAC simply isn’t capable of getting 10%
the color/hue saturation of those naked lunar surface minerals, as
otherwise accomplish by amateurs at not 0.0001% the cost plus their
having to pear from a much greater distance and through the polluted
and always optically distorting atmosphere of Earth. So from our NASA
teams of public-funded wizards, there’s still no apparent improvement
in their metallicity geology science.
> On May 8, 7:22 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The moon can lithobrake in any orbit. I hadn't thought of that, but
> > its true.
>
> > It subtracts between 6 and 10 km/s from the delta vee, and takes 2.4
> > km/s to send back to Earth via maglev, so that'll definitely work.
>
> I did do a study a few decades ago about structured objects striking
> the moon to create structured products on the moon. Think about
> making foamed composites, or blowing glass. You have a molten or semi-
> molten object that you apply gas pressure to to create a structured
> solid. Same here. By putting together materials in a certain way,
> both on the moon (the target) and in space (the collider) and causing
> them to collide - the energy of collision can be made to do
> significant useful work.
>
> A construction results instead of a crater.
>
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/nlsi/education/hsResearch/crateringLab/images...
>
> Basically, the impactor or collider falls into a well and makes first
> contact deep beneath the surface. The point of contact is at the
> center of a shell with a cut out where the well is. The collider
> itself fill the cut out. The kinetic energy melts the silica into
> glass. The ice and ammonium nitrate and other materials flash into
> gases. The gas blows a bubble in the molten glass. The entire
> system expands.
>
> Ice is put inside a silica shell and collided with a target of silica
> at several km/s to create a ball of molten glass that is expanded into
> large bubble several km across. As the glass cools the water
> condenses and forms a lake near the center. Ammonium Nitrate and
> other materials are also packed within the silica to decompose into a
> nitrogen oxygen atmosphere and more water. The calculation of
> atmospheric pressure is a function of amounts of materials that create
> gas and expand the bubble while molten.
>
> The kinetic energy vastly exceeds the chemical energy released in the
> reactions. However, shaping these compounds does direct and shape the
> kinetic shock waves.
>
> Digging a well and packing it with a few meters of silica is something
> that is easily done. Making a glass dome with glass floor and
> compacted foundation filled with nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere and
> substantial water is not easily done, but converting a silica filled
> well into such a dome in an instant is easily achieved.
>
> Metals too can be cast into shells that are then expanded to form thin
> reflective films reinforcement mesh and other structures during
> collision/explosion.
>
> http://www.pacaero.com/products/explosive-forming.htm
>
> Repositioning a metallic asteroid and icy moon around L1 so they
> remain there, with the metallic asteroid shielding the icy moon from
> sunlight, and putting a solar powered infrastructure on the pair to
> meet all our needs, provides a means to send large objects hurtling
> toward the moon - working in conjunction with automated diggers and
> tractors on the moon to create thousands even millions of kilometer
> sized domes on the moon that house self contained biospheres.
>
> Once the dome is formed, something a few kilometers across and a
> kilometer high, made of glass that is 100 meters thick at the base,
> and thinner as it arcs overhead - is then 'tapped' like a keg by
> bringing a powered mobile self tapping airlock to the base rim. This
> device very much like the large tunneling machines used on Earth,
> bores through the glass and allows entry and egress after
> construction.
>
> A similar approach will also work on Mars to create large domed
> biospheres there as well.
Why yes in deed, we seriously need to start utilizing our physically
dark moon, and not just for accomplishing the little added but so
badly needed spot of shade it could provide once that moon eventually
gets relocated to Earth L1, but for so many other perfectly valid
reasons of protecting and benefiting our global environment as well as
accommodating the greater needs of future human terrestrial and off-
world productivity plus the general global betterment of our quality
of life.
Actually, as is the hard vacuum of our naked moon and its unlimited
solar energy that PV panels and any Stirling driven generator should
love, by rights should make for the airless and obviously zero N2
environment worthy of creating all sorts of absolutely nifty glass and
metallic alloys plus superior synthetics or glass/ceramics/metallicity
composites and even for creating raw carbonado that could be
efficiently produced in mass quantities and easily maintained at the
absolute highest purity imaginable (short of utilizing the much harder
vacuum of the Earth-moon L1, that should offer at the very least 3e-18
bar or something far less than 200 atoms/cm3 and even possibly as good
as 20/cm3).
I’m thinking of mass producing those continuous basalt fibers and even
those of continuous carbonado (black diamond) fibers for accommodating
terrific LSE tether applications and otherwise for structural
engineered materials that simply couldn’t be affordably produced on
Earth and delivered without their costing us a thousand times greater
per kg. Even artificially creating new carbonado diamond of nearly
unlimited volume could be easily accomplished on the fly, so to speak.
It might be a whole lot easier for TBMs to tunnel us deep within the
lunar basalt crust, however constructing a sufficient glass and/or
metallic dome over a small but sufficiently deep crater (due to the
extremely tough and fused basalt crust that’s also metallicity
paramagnet is why so many craters offer less than 10% depth, though a
few of small diameter [under 10 km] being situated within much larger
craters may offer near 25% depth, and a few others of roughly 1 km
that could reach 50% depth should be absolutely ideal for capping with
a dome) would also provide surface logistics protection from most
kinds of bad cosmic and solar radiation in addition to fending off
whatever is derived from local elements and from those pesky
anticathode rays, not to mention protection from their being so easily
hit by any passing meteor or asteroid debris, although TBMs digging us
deeper into that thick and fused paramagnetic basalt would still be
highly advisable, and certainly ideal if those mostly robotic tunnel
diggers could manage to get us entirely under that thick crust where
the average density is likely less and the interior temperature is
essentially providing another constant resource of clean energy.
In other words, the less we humans are exposed to that naked lunar
surface (day or night) the better. A crater like Moltke at 7 km
diameter might be a good one to cap, although a smaller diameter
crater could offer as deep or possibly slightly deeper pocket for
improved protection and a smaller dome.
Unfortunately, the spendy LROC WAC simply isn’t capable of getting 10%
the color/hue saturation of those naked lunar surface minerals, as
otherwise accomplish by amateurs at not 0.0001% the cost plus their
having to pear from a much greater distance and through the polluted
and always optically distorting atmosphere of Earth. So from our NASA
teams of public-funded wizards, there’s still no apparent improvement
in their metallicity geology science.
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 6:25:39 PM12/4/11
to
Off-World metallicity is simply offering us the next great future gold-
rush x 1000, as a highly profitable era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s caused by existing methods (including human
processing activities and their methods of forced cultivation and
product distributions for our use and consumption in order to sustain
the mainstream status quo).
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, and that our
current or future leaders are not going to cause WW3, or that our
Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
mostly involve robotic excavating, processing and somewhat automated
world basics of carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron plus
as of more than a decade ago (instead, we get to go to war).
elevator with its enormous counter mass hosting its international
space station outpost/oasis/gateway, plus having its secondary
extracted element. However, a low density asteroid like Cruithne of
1.3e14 kg and even a heavy metallicity density YU55 should each be
loaded with He3.
Obviously our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded agency or
contracted teams of our supposedly democratic republic are not going
leaves the rest of us stuck with off-world alternatives that may seem
like another wild west kind of gold-rush era because, no government of
Earth can say or enforce squat about individuals and private investors
going after off-world stuff, unless they have their N.W.O. plans of
shooting us citizens of Earth out of LEO or otherwise keeping us away
from exploiting our moon.
rush x 1000, as a highly profitable era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s caused by existing methods (including human
genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that can be
directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various
processing activities and their methods of forced cultivation and
product distributions for our use and consumption in order to sustain
the mainstream status quo).
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, and that our
current or future leaders are not going to cause WW3, or that our
terrestrial metallicity of common and rare metals, minerals,
hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
mention an escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising virtually
hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
This future off-world version of a metallicity-rush could make gold,
platinum and even diamonds too common and perhaps even too cheap to
hoard, so that kind of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and
Rothschilds in a rather poor global market devaluation situation, plus
further loss of authority. Naturally the well established defenders
of our mainstream status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for
keeping such off-world resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable
hoard, so that kind of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and
Rothschilds in a rather poor global market devaluation situation, plus
further loss of authority. Naturally the well established defenders
of our mainstream status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for
in order to sustain their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity
leverage they have on us. Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of
gold onto the global market would do to its terrestrial value, or even
those elements of rhodium and thorium are not exactly dirt cheap.
Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
shipments back to Earth that will likely make those previous
terrestrial gold-rush eras seem like primitive practice dry runs. Off-
world basics of carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron plus
those high concentrations of titanium as well as thorium, uranium and
many other heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value,
getting especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either
running on near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too
politically and human life risky to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and
many other heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value,
getting especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either
running on near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too
artificially overvalued by those within upper most 0.0001% (7000
individuals). Those Canadian oil-sands represent a negative energy
coefficient factor once everything gets taken into account, not to
mention their horrific environment impact that has to include more
individuals). Those Canadian oil-sands represent a negative energy
coefficient factor once everything gets taken into account, not to
than doubling the carbon footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise
the fracking of deep shale in order to extract natural gas that has
multiple impurities to process out and involves multiple environmental
consequences (all of which being negative) is also not exactly a
viable energy alternative compared to the relatively failsafe thorium
fueled reactors that we should have been going full steam ahead with
the fracking of deep shale in order to extract natural gas that has
multiple impurities to process out and involves multiple environmental
consequences (all of which being negative) is also not exactly a
viable energy alternative compared to the relatively failsafe thorium
as of more than a decade ago (instead, we get to go to war).
space station outpost/oasis/gateway, plus having its secondary
tethered science and energy transfer platform reaching to within 6r of
Earth), though still not nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to
Earth L1.
I would imagine processing through not more than 10% from any given
Earth), though still not nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to
Earth L1.
asteroid is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our
moon taking but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred
million trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/
kg). Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from
our moon couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving
excavated tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be
reutilized as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of
TBMs clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or
underneath that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust.
(that’s only providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of
ten billion of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and those lunar
TBM tailings or spoils from such extensive tunneling can just get
moon taking but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred
million trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/
kg). Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from
our moon couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving
excavated tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be
reutilized as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of
TBMs clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or
underneath that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust.
(that’s only providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of
ten billion of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and those lunar
1.3e14 kg and even a heavy metallicity density YU55 should each be
loaded with He3.
contracted teams of our supposedly democratic republic are not going
to step-up and announce squat via mainstream media, or otherwise
bother to educate this generation nor even the next K12 and higher
educated republic about such off-world matters, and unfortunately our
President BHO is too preoccupied with his political damage-control
issues of excessive federal debt and energy shortages to be of any
bother to educate this generation nor even the next K12 and higher
educated republic about such off-world matters, and unfortunately our
President BHO is too preoccupied with his political damage-control
use, and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as terrestrial
damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
geothermal, solar and wind derived energy are not going to be allowed
to flourish on any large scale competitive basis, is what kind of
leaves the rest of us stuck with off-world alternatives that may seem
like another wild west kind of gold-rush era because, no government of
Earth can say or enforce squat about individuals and private investors
going after off-world stuff, unless they have their N.W.O. plans of
shooting us citizens of Earth out of LEO or otherwise keeping us away
from exploiting our moon.
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 7:09:09 PM12/4/11
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Surface exposed metallicity has unavoidable color/hue issues that even
never seemed to happen.
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
elements of our physically dark and naked moon, that should have
offered loads of physically dark color naturals as well as those UV
reactive bluish and purple and some violet colors, we keep getting
this extremely pastel kind of near monochromatic grayish terrain that
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
location that gets to have a remarkably brighter albedo rating (even
with a first rate polarized optical element), as well as physically
Kodak and Zeiss still couldn’t seem to get it right.
other words, absolutely anything could be added or subtracted without
light source spectrum that tends to offer those pesky secondary/recoil
colors.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out the unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
as well as having nullified cosmic and solar X-rays in addition to
never at risk (eliminating anticathode physics is actually a rather
reason why we still can’t objectively figure out how it was
accomplished and to what extent that environment can be survived by
private individuals going after those local elements. So it’s quite
obvious and perfectly clear that our public-funded DARPA, NASA and
the most politically and faith-based conditional physics that’s
apparently genetically colorblind, can’t forever hide from the rest of
us normal humans, and it’s especially exposed to us by the naked
environment of our physically dark moon (best detected from orbit
since nothing of our Apollo era color seemed to work). So, perhaps
the next great thing will have to be getting our basic awareness of
metallicity up to snuff.
Of course gamma spectrometry also detects surface as well as bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve had that capability as of during
and ever since our Apollo era. With terrific improvements in our
apparently genetically colorblind, can’t forever hide from the rest of
us normal humans, and it’s especially exposed to us by the naked
environment of our physically dark moon (best detected from orbit
since nothing of our Apollo era color seemed to work). So, perhaps
the next great thing will have to be getting our basic awareness of
metallicity up to snuff.
Of course gamma spectrometry also detects surface as well as bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve had that capability as of during
gamma spectrometry, there’s really no excuse that I can think of, as
to why we haven’t quantified and having published those public-funded
metallicity results for all to see.
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color film
could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with at
least ten fold better resolution as each and every mission passed
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color film
could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with at
gradually through the earth-moon L1 (roughly 60,000 km above the
surface), though of course that sort of terrific science photo-op
never seemed to happen.
http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg
Or this next one could have been obtained from Apollo orbit at 100 km
and offering at least 100 fold better resolution, which should have
been easily accomplished by pushing color saturation and developing
their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25 ASA/ISO.
http://www.astronomie.be/christophe.behaegel/Moon%20in%20Color/slides/moon%20color%20satu.jpg
Or this next one could have been obtained from Apollo orbit at 100 km
and offering at least 100 fold better resolution, which should have
been easily accomplished by pushing color saturation and developing
their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25 ASA/ISO.
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
offered loads of physically dark color naturals as well as those UV
reactive bluish and purple and some violet colors, we keep getting
this extremely pastel kind of near monochromatic grayish terrain that
offers a rather terrific albedo that even their very own LRO mission
still can’t seem to reconcile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_Carmichael_and_Hill.jpg
still can’t seem to reconcile.
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
with a first rate polarized optical element), as well as physically
becomes a whole lot smoother eroded and somehow loses its color/hue
saturations as well as UV reactive secondary fluorescent colors of
whatever metallicity/minerals as the closer you get to it, so our moon
and everything of those six perfection Apollo missions must have been
almost entirely visual spectrum color-blinded plus UV inert, because
after 5 previous tries it seems they plus every possible expertise of
saturations as well as UV reactive secondary fluorescent colors of
whatever metallicity/minerals as the closer you get to it, so our moon
and everything of those six perfection Apollo missions must have been
almost entirely visual spectrum color-blinded plus UV inert, because
Kodak and Zeiss still couldn’t seem to get it right.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-140-21367HR.jpg
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it demonstrates how such photographics can be
faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was technically
impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and otherwise
depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast issues
should have been technically impossible.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it demonstrates how such photographics can be
faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was technically
impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and otherwise
depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast issues
http://moonpans.com/prints/wall40_A17eva3_earth.jpg
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
created by NASA, officially hyped and sold as an autographed certified
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
image which further proves the existing Kodak and fellow FUD-master
expertise of that era was virtually undetectable as being faked. In
other words, absolutely anything could be added or subtracted without
the least bit of forensic discovery risk.
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
materials or elements are being imaged, nor taking into account the
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
light source spectrum that tends to offer those pesky secondary/recoil
colors.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out the unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
having nullified all local radioactive metallicity factors for each
and every one of those Apollo missions, so that their Kodak film was
never at risk (eliminating anticathode physics is actually a rather
nifty trick). Remember that upon our naked and electrostatic charged
moon that’s also nicely paramagnetic, there is essentially no local
radiation attenuation or magical exclusion from local radioactive
elements or from the very same cosmic and solar gauntlet that our
magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to deal with, plus extra dosage
because of whatever the electrostatic charge and gravity holds onto
isn’t exactly helping.
By not having interactive science instruments on the moon is a primary
elements or from the very same cosmic and solar gauntlet that our
magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to deal with, plus extra dosage
because of whatever the electrostatic charge and gravity holds onto
isn’t exactly helping.
reason why we still can’t objectively figure out how it was
accomplished and to what extent that environment can be survived by
private individuals going after those local elements. So it’s quite
obvious and perfectly clear that our public-funded DARPA, NASA and
pretty much everything the least bit Apollo era related isn’t going to
lift a public-funded finger as to further researching and/or
exploiting the terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of
the extremely nearby planet Venus.
If you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as per
requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted yourself
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
lift a public-funded finger as to further researching and/or
exploiting the terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of
the extremely nearby planet Venus.
If you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as per
requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted yourself
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and such a
nearby planet of terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active
and metallicity worthy.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 7:38:40 PM12/4/11
to
To further explore the value/risk of obtaining this off-world
offering a perfectly harmless location for us to access, pillage and
sunlight or planetshine) and especially deep within polar craters that
as the natural surface nighttime minimum (without sunlight,
planetshine or any local secondary/recoil IR of any sort), then how
day that available energy density goes way the hell up. An insulated
tank of hot water that’s purely solar heated by day plus even getting
a little planetshine IR heated by night would be a really good method
of storing surplus energy along with fully charged lithium batteries
that can also get buried in the bedrock and/or covered by some of that
highly reflective and nicely clumping moon dust, for safe keeping at a
relatively constant temperature according to our NASA/Apollo science.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for the .07
albedo of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not reconcile
our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07) albedo and
those strong photographic contrast issues, with any of those Apollo
entirely alluded our NASA/Apollo era, just like they’d found no sign
of sodium.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
offset towards Earth from center by upwards of 25%. This relatively
small core could be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice like low
doesn’t have hydrocarbons.
Using a somewhat smaller TBM or just drilling a one meter diameter
metallicity, perhaps we first need to better appreciate that our
physically dark moon is a metallicity treasure trove, it’s extremely
nearby, easily accessible and according to our NASA/Apollo era its
physically dark moon is a metallicity treasure trove, it’s extremely
offering a perfectly harmless location for us to access, pillage and
also do a good job of shading and/or preventing direct sun or
planetshine illumination, can represent a nighttime surface
temperature of 25 K or possibly less (more recent LROC data has a
polar nearside shaded crater basin pegged at 35 K). So, if given 25 K
planetshine illumination, can represent a nighttime surface
temperature of 25 K or possibly less (more recent LROC data has a
as the natural surface nighttime minimum (without sunlight,
planetshine or any local secondary/recoil IR of any sort), then how
much warmer does full-planetshine bring up or boost the nearside
nighttime temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
like 125 K, or full IR planetshine = 20.75 w/m2. Visually the bluish
nighttime temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
earthshine/planetshine can be worth 50 times what full moonlight
represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s by no means too
dark to see really good (especially in the bluish and violet spectrum
of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200 watts + 10 m2 of
short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish planetshine
should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw with hardly
any significant applied technology or deployed mass, and of course by
represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s by no means too
dark to see really good (especially in the bluish and violet spectrum
of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200 watts + 10 m2 of
short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish planetshine
should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw with hardly
day that available energy density goes way the hell up. An insulated
tank of hot water that’s purely solar heated by day plus even getting
a little planetshine IR heated by night would be a really good method
of storing surplus energy along with fully charged lithium batteries
that can also get buried in the bedrock and/or covered by some of that
highly reflective and nicely clumping moon dust, for safe keeping at a
relatively constant temperature according to our NASA/Apollo science.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for the .07
albedo of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not reconcile
our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07) albedo and
mission obtained images recorded on Kodak film, but that’s just
conditional physics or something totally weird happening, because not
even Kodak will authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to
interpret as a rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly
any mineral/metallicity color, minimal contrast and never any frame of
conditional physics or something totally weird happening, because not
even Kodak will authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to
interpret as a rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly
film affected by X-rays, gamma or heat.
Terrestrial basalts are simply of less density and less paramagnetic:
“The basaltic bedrock of the oceanic crust is classified as. (1)
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically heavy as well as fused near carbonado hard,
at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and subsequently
very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth over 3.1 g/
cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our physically dark
moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron, titanium, thorium
and even greater than Earth amounts or saturations of uranium, whereas
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically heavy as well as fused near carbonado hard,
at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and subsequently
very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth over 3.1 g/
cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our physically dark
moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron, titanium, thorium
surface mascons that are substantial enough to affect satellite orbits
are suggesting where even greater concentrations of heavy metallicity
elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with heavy elements, whereas the upper mantel offers 3.3 g/
cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of 3.5+ g/cm3 is a
significant factor that’s offering greater metallicity that somehow
are suggesting where even greater concentrations of heavy metallicity
elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with heavy elements, whereas the upper mantel offers 3.3 g/
cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of 3.5+ g/cm3 is a
entirely alluded our NASA/Apollo era, just like they’d found no sign
of sodium.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
small core could be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice like low
density rock of mostly solidified silica that melts at 1600 K, as
perfectly capable of having stored great amounts of gas and
conceivably water in addition to hosting various metallicity elements
of sufficient value, and there’s no good reason to think our moon
perfectly capable of having stored great amounts of gas and
conceivably water in addition to hosting various metallicity elements
doesn’t have hydrocarbons.
Using a somewhat smaller TBM or just drilling a one meter diameter
geothermal path towards the core should give a Stirling cycle power
source that’s rather enormous and sustainable for at least a thousand
years of pulling out a continuous terawatt of energy, with no possible
harm done. That’s only extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should be
no shortage of thorium to fuel local reactors that should be polar
located so as to having a continuous benefit of extremely cool shade
within deep craters that offer something like 40 K. Otherwise 100%
plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact and mobile.
source that’s rather enormous and sustainable for at least a thousand
years of pulling out a continuous terawatt of energy, with no possible
harm done. That’s only extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should be
no shortage of thorium to fuel local reactors that should be polar
located so as to having a continuous benefit of extremely cool shade
within deep craters that offer something like 40 K. Otherwise 100%
plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact and mobile.
On Dec 4, 3:25 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Dec 4, 2011, 9:31:02 PM12/4/11
to
We can all use better quality metals, alloys, diamonds and anything
that gets turned in cheaper clean energy.
Private enterprise and their aggressive forms of applied ingenuity
whenever there’s any market potential up for grabs, as such could get
I believe the off-world metallicity potential value is truly
considerable, not that small deposits, pockets or layers of similar
elements can’t be continually located, uncovered and painstakingly
extracted from within Earth as long as we don’t mind having to pay
through the nose and put up with those giant or immense gaping open
pit mines and thousands of miles worth of conventional hard-rock
mining plus TBMs going every which way, not to mention their
destructive fracking for hydrocarbons and numerous other secondary
In other words, there’s plenty of room or margin for off-world error,
as much nearby mass for those working outside of ISS to get secondary/
recoil zapped by, whereas the naked moon represents at least a million
fold greater surrounding anticathode mass when including all that’s
within view of their unobstructed horizon, so it’s perfectly
understandable that the lunar surface environment isn’t going to be
nearly as user friendly, and on those bad solar CME days is when that
highly electrostatic charged surface is going to attract and hold onto
those same highly charged electrons and particles of solar plasma that
our terrestrial magnetospheres gets to deal with, except way better
because of the local gravity kind of doing its thing.
In other words, why bother searching for those viable exoplanets that
can’t possibly be reached in a hundred generations, or even going much
Especially why bother with any exoplanet or enormous moon that’s
imposing more gravity than we currently have to cope with.
BTW; Don't even bother to look critically close at what the planet
Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind discovering what your
government and their fellow partners hasn't been willing to tell us or
that gets turned in cheaper clean energy.
Private enterprise and their aggressive forms of applied ingenuity
a real boost by opening up these off-world metallicity resources,
thereby allowing such competitive markets to flourish. This would not
only help finance governments by way of creating millions of good
paying private-sector jobs, but it would also greatly alleviate the
thereby allowing such competitive markets to flourish. This would not
only help finance governments by way of creating millions of good
terrestrial trauma and current status of rare element hoarding,
subsequent greed and artificial scarcity that’s creating so much
unnecessary inflation and wealth disparity, not to mention holding
back the global advancements of so much other technology.
subsequent greed and artificial scarcity that’s creating so much
unnecessary inflation and wealth disparity, not to mention holding
I believe the off-world metallicity potential value is truly
considerable, not that small deposits, pockets or layers of similar
elements can’t be continually located, uncovered and painstakingly
extracted from within Earth as long as we don’t mind having to pay
through the nose and put up with those giant or immense gaping open
pit mines and thousands of miles worth of conventional hard-rock
mining plus TBMs going every which way, not to mention their
environmental impact issues (especially once we include their using
horrific explosives, disposing of unwanted material with trace
elements of typically nasty stuff, often we’re dealing with massive
horrific explosives, disposing of unwanted material with trace
volumes of mineral transports, considerable ore processing and final
distributions that are all becoming enormous energy hogs and otherwise
global polluting as well as representing tremendous fresh water
consumption and thereby getting kind of spendy and problematic as
hell, not to mention potentially lethal to those directly in the
industry, living downwind or just having to manage with toxic water).
distributions that are all becoming enormous energy hogs and otherwise
global polluting as well as representing tremendous fresh water
consumption and thereby getting kind of spendy and problematic as
hell, not to mention potentially lethal to those directly in the
In other words, there’s plenty of room or margin for off-world error,
complications and do-overs, without further traumatizing our frail
environment or endangering a tenth as many lives than already put at
risk.
Apparently I’m not the first to publish topics and submit arguments
about the greater values of going off-world for obtaining those rare
metallicity elements. For many years William Mook has been posting
his investigative research manifestos on this same logic and
explaining the enormous payback for going off-world, but others too
with more or less expertise have been saying the same for decades. My
LSE-CM/ISS topics were all about making our moon a whole lot more
affordably accessible, and for allowing robotics to do their
relentless thing so as to minimize our personal exposures to those raw
surface elements that I believe can become lethal until underground
TBMs are cutting through that paramagnetic basalt at 12 m/day, and
perhaps even 24 up to 33 meters per day is technically possible (once
operating below that extremely tough basalt crust, TBMs cutting
through the inverse density shouldn’t have any problems making 120+
environment or endangering a tenth as many lives than already put at
risk.
Apparently I’m not the first to publish topics and submit arguments
about the greater values of going off-world for obtaining those rare
metallicity elements. For many years William Mook has been posting
his investigative research manifestos on this same logic and
explaining the enormous payback for going off-world, but others too
with more or less expertise have been saying the same for decades. My
LSE-CM/ISS topics were all about making our moon a whole lot more
affordably accessible, and for allowing robotics to do their
relentless thing so as to minimize our personal exposures to those raw
surface elements that I believe can become lethal until underground
TBMs are cutting through that paramagnetic basalt at 12 m/day, and
perhaps even 24 up to 33 meters per day is technically possible (once
operating below that extremely tough basalt crust, TBMs cutting
meters per day).
Our NASA/Apollo era supposedly proved to us how perfectly doable it is
for getting ourselves safely to/from our moon. Though initially it
was kinda spendy and always somewhat fly-by-rocket risky, however our
NASA and DARPA proved that the laws of physics are seemingly a little
different for that moon (even having screwed up their Kodak film by
making it impossible to get any bad radiation or even any hint of UV
reactive hues from the local metallicity (in fact even that of a
nearby Venus within the same FOV as the physically dark surface of our
naked moon was apparently next to impossible), that which oddly imaged
as a mostly pastel light-gray or even somewhat guano-like monochrome
surface (none of it the lest bit dark basalt) that wasn’t paramagnetic
and remained as entirely UV inert, as well as always having nicely
minimized photographic contrast issues, depicting a terrain of only
soft rolling hills with virtually none of the physically dark and
paramagnetic basalt bedrock or any crater shards showing, as well as
practically no significant accumulations of crystal dry dust,
meteorites or secondary impact shards, and otherwise providing nearly
ideal surface tension that clumped rather nicely and otherwise offered
darn good tire treading on behalf of each and every step or wheel roll
of the way, suggesting that most of the crater ejected displacements
of local basalt somehow got away from the moon.
Also, compared to ISS secondary/recoil radiation, there’s not 0.0001%
Our NASA/Apollo era supposedly proved to us how perfectly doable it is
for getting ourselves safely to/from our moon. Though initially it
was kinda spendy and always somewhat fly-by-rocket risky, however our
NASA and DARPA proved that the laws of physics are seemingly a little
different for that moon (even having screwed up their Kodak film by
making it impossible to get any bad radiation or even any hint of UV
reactive hues from the local metallicity (in fact even that of a
nearby Venus within the same FOV as the physically dark surface of our
naked moon was apparently next to impossible), that which oddly imaged
as a mostly pastel light-gray or even somewhat guano-like monochrome
surface (none of it the lest bit dark basalt) that wasn’t paramagnetic
and remained as entirely UV inert, as well as always having nicely
minimized photographic contrast issues, depicting a terrain of only
soft rolling hills with virtually none of the physically dark and
paramagnetic basalt bedrock or any crater shards showing, as well as
practically no significant accumulations of crystal dry dust,
meteorites or secondary impact shards, and otherwise providing nearly
ideal surface tension that clumped rather nicely and otherwise offered
darn good tire treading on behalf of each and every step or wheel roll
of the way, suggesting that most of the crater ejected displacements
of local basalt somehow got away from the moon.
as much nearby mass for those working outside of ISS to get secondary/
recoil zapped by, whereas the naked moon represents at least a million
fold greater surrounding anticathode mass when including all that’s
within view of their unobstructed horizon, so it’s perfectly
understandable that the lunar surface environment isn’t going to be
nearly as user friendly, and on those bad solar CME days is when that
highly electrostatic charged surface is going to attract and hold onto
those same highly charged electrons and particles of solar plasma that
our terrestrial magnetospheres gets to deal with, except way better
because of the local gravity kind of doing its thing.
In other words, why bother searching for those viable exoplanets that
can’t possibly be reached in a hundred generations, or even going much
further than our moon and Venus for such terrific off-world
metallicity plus unlimited clean renewable energy?
Especially why bother with any exoplanet or enormous moon that’s
imposing more gravity than we currently have to cope with.
BTW; Don't even bother to look critically close at what the planet
Venus has to offer, unless you wouldn't mind discovering what your
government and their fellow partners hasn't been willing to tell us or
otherwise share for well over a decade and counting.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Dec 4, 3:25 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Dec 5, 2011, 9:22:48 AM12/5/11
to
Nearly unlimited metallicity resources and extremely good terrestrial
benefits as well as profits from exploiting space, seems like a
really fantastically good investment deal, though it gets a whole lot
better yet when such mining of metals are obtained from our physically
dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus. Together they’re
worth at least quadrillions in 2012 loot, because unlike the limited
or finite terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbon resources that are
getting way too risky and spendy as is, these other two options will
year after year keep on giving to suit our demands. In other words, a
hundred years from now may be only scratching the surface of what our
moon and the planet Venus have to offer, not to even mention the next
metallicity treasure trove of the planet Mercury.
Platinum, gold, silver and multiple rare earths are really only
limited or scarce here on Earth, whereas upon our moon and especially
the extremely nearby planet Venus is hardly going to be deficient of
such metallicity. With essentially unlimited and actually clean
energy that’s existing as is for exploiting our moon and especially
from the planet Venus that’s still so geologically surface active,
means that at least the necessary energy for their exploration,
extraction, processing and export of such valuable metallicity
shouldn’t be all that problematic.
If the extremely nearby planet Venus is considered as simply too
mainstream geothermal and greenhouse toasty for accommodating your
naked Goldilocks to frolic upon its mostly geothermally active surface
that’s only 300 million years old and still spewing and venting like
crazy, and otherwise with Mars being too far away as well as cryogenic
anti-nudist worthy by night and otherwise still mostly too damn frozen
cold for Goldilocks by day, as well as lacking a shield from cosmic
radiation and meteors that’ll impact without warning at near full
velocity, then perhaps those supposedly worse day/night environment
extremes of our physically dark and naked moon should be reconsidered
as just about right, such as even in nighttime when receiving 20.75 w/
m2 of IR planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine really
isn’t exactly a dimly illuminated environment (kind of like having two
suns plus extra IR to work by).
The Next Great Thing is simply exploiting our physically dark moon,
m2 of IR planetshine plus loads of visual spectrum planetshine really
isn’t exactly a dimly illuminated environment (kind of like having two
suns plus extra IR to work by).
which seems a perfectly logical next step towards accomplishing other
off-world adventures and their rewards. China is already parked in
the L2 of our moon, and China plans on accomplishing the lunar L1
station-keeping next. Even LiftPort is going for a proof of concept
for their LSEI utilizing a Zylon fiber of 5.8 GPa for their initial
tether, whereas black diamond (carbonado fiber) GPa is obviously going
to offer way better tether performance, and perhaps even common basalt
continuous fiber is sufficient for this application (“Young's modulus
of Basalt fiber Varies between 78 and 90 GPa”) with a 4.84 tensile
strength applied into a tapered tether format seems doable. Otherwise
of Basalt fiber Varies between 78 and 90 GPa”) with a 4.84 tensile
raw carbonado can also be artificially grown within the hard-vacuum of
space, although artificially producing most any pure form of carbon
diamond and of most any volume can also be accomplished without using
pressure because such carbon molecules really don’t need pressure in
order to develop into large diamond crystals. Lunar carbonado should
actually be fairly common and in good natural volume to reutilize as
is.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
or space diamonds) as easily obtained and exported from our physically
space, although artificially producing most any pure form of carbon
diamond and of most any volume can also be accomplished without using
pressure because such carbon molecules really don’t need pressure in
order to develop into large diamond crystals. Lunar carbonado should
actually be fairly common and in good natural volume to reutilize as
is.
Just from obtaining a good load of black diamond (aka carbonado bling
dark moon should be worth at the very least 10% of clear gem grade
diamonds in the rough (which can easily be worth $5M/kg), not to
mention the more direct value of turning the bulk of that black
carbonado into continuous tether fibers, however the current large gem
quality carbonado bling can bring upwards of $25M/kg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
Such natural carbonado has terrific bling value to some, whereas a 4
g (20 carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November
2010 is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
The Black Star of Africa at 202 carats (40.4 g) valued at $1.2M was
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
up to, isn’t going to be exactly pleased to hear about any commercial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonado
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullNews.asp?id=36029
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
Carbonados are kind of super diamonds:
“Harder than regular diamonds - There is not a huge difference but
they are approximately (diamond is 10 RH whereas carbonado is
approximately 10.5 RH ).”
http://www.diamond-mining.com/spacediamondscarbonado.html
https://dco.gl.ciw.edu/sites/dco.gl.ciw.edu/files/Carbonado_Shiryaev.pdf
Such natural carbonado has terrific bling value to some, whereas a 4
g (20 carat) raw stone of black diamond is worth $1250 as of November
2010 is only $313K/kg (larger stones are obviously worth considerably
more).
http://goldbergcoins.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/5/lot/18638/
The Black Star of Africa at 202 carats (40.4 g) valued at $1.2M was
resold as worth something like $99K back in 1990 ($2.5M/kg)
Of course the usual mainstream status-quo that our government and most
of its agencies cater and/or devoutly brown-nose and/or redneck suck
or private enterprise that’s capable of delivering large amounts of
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
large chunks of paramagnetic carbonado that should exist), and if any
rare and usually quite valuable metallicity elements (including those
nearby off-world location should by rights have more than its fair
share of impact generated carbonado would seem to be our physically
dark and extensively paramagnetic basalt crusted moon, even though
share of impact generated carbonado would seem to be our physically
below its thick and extremely tough crust is likely offering a
somewhat inverse rock density that could go for as light as silica
pumice. The density of slightly paramagnetic carbonado is only 3.51 g/
cm3, although somewhat higher density variations of black basalt up to
4.5 g/cm3 could exist as well as those higher paramagnetic forms of
black diamond. Unlike most of the common lunar basalt bedrock that’s
worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of terrestrial basalts are closer
to 3.1 g/cm3 and seldom exceed 3.5 g/cm3 because the relatively thin
worth 3.5+ g/cm3, the vast majority of terrestrial basalts are closer
crust of Earth simply isn’t nearly as tough nor as paramagnetic as
that extremely thick basalt crust of our moon.
Surface mining as in open pit style could be sufficient, however for
better mining results we need to manage the daunting task of getting
those massive TBMs and other robotics for removing their spoils and
tailings, as safely deployed onto the moon certainly isn’t going to be
easy, although William Mook seems to know how, as well as affordably
and with fly-by-rocket payload and fuel to spare. According to our
NASA/Apollo era, the fly-by-rocket lander technology doesn’t even
require any powerful momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any
significant computers to help manage their continually shifting center
of gravity, steady their downrange navigation and essentially
stabilize their downrange trek in order to manage those fully
require any powerful momentum reaction gyros, nor hardly any
significant computers to help manage their continually shifting center
of gravity, steady their downrange navigation and essentially
controlled soft landings in spite of their CG variables and lack of
any momentum reaction gyros, as well as since there’s hardly any
significant dust or much less electrostatic issues, and/or hardly any
significant buildup of crystal dry soil/debris from any loosely
deposited material from impactors or crater secondary media of crushed
or exploded dark basalt to contend with, should represent that
relatively small surface-area landing pads are required because, the
paramagnetic and nearly black basalt bedrock is always available to
support as many terrestrial tonnes or as many lunar equivalent (167
kg) units of force per cm2 as necessary (landing pad surface loading
paramagnetic and nearly black basalt bedrock is always available to
support as many terrestrial tonnes or as many lunar equivalent (167
their command loop delay using controllers from Earth is going to be
roughly 2.6 seconds, or if controlled from a Selene L1 gateway/oasis
being only slightly greater than 0.4 second would offer nearly as good
of TBM and other machine control as for their operators being right on
the moon.
Of course there’s always the mainstream failsafe option of going with
perpetual denial and simply ignoring off-world metallicity, thereby
just sticking with the problematic and greater disparity proven plan
of excavating everything out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until
it’s too spendy and/or getting too hoarded and otherwise too bloody to
be worth the effort. Of course we seem to protect the most guilty of
of TBM and other machine control as for their operators being right on
the moon.
Of course there’s always the mainstream failsafe option of going with
perpetual denial and simply ignoring off-world metallicity, thereby
just sticking with the problematic and greater disparity proven plan
of excavating everything out of Earth until it’s all gone, or until
it’s too spendy and/or getting too hoarded and otherwise too bloody to
treason and high treason, by pretending they are only breaking minor
civil laws that are entirely subjective and at best not lethal to the
public or the least bit detrimental to our national interest.
Or, we could also just go for establishing the cool Venus L2 outpost
as our next off-world gateway/oasis, and call it good, and for the
moment and foreseeable future simply forget about utilizing our moon
because, our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is a seriously hot location
that’ll require artificial shades and/or considerable technology for
heat removal in spite of getting solar and moon IR roasted to death.
moment and foreseeable future simply forget about utilizing our moon
because, our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is a seriously hot location
that’ll require artificial shades and/or considerable technology for
heat removal in spite of getting solar and moon IR roasted to death.
On Dec 4, 3:25 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Forrest Piper
Dec 5, 2011, 10:44:49 AM12/5/11
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>
> read more »
If you must tie in Lunar commerce into your 'metallicity thread, there
are a few key things that IMO cannot go unnoticed. One is the legal
use of the term "Common Heritage of Mankind" (CHM). This was a single
piece of legislation that placed a limitation on the assets one could
aquire, as well as the mining, processing, and sale of those assets
into the world markets. In effect, the CHM has banned individual
ownership, which can only mean that whatever NASA had been doing back
until just after the shuttle had been created (post-Apollo), had been
selling space onboard for international interest, and while the U.S.
government earned a profit on those sales, as well as ensnaring itself
with the international space station, unwillingly began to lose the
space race for the sake of the NWO.
It would be like saying that the American West had been reserved only
for anyone who obtained a license of ownership for surveyed lands
prior to ever moving there! Even more absurd is that no roads would
have built, no telegraph lines would exist, and no mining would be
possible. Individual ownership of property in space must become
sanctioned, in order to achieve a legal recognition of the wealth
possible, that remains several orders of magnitude greater than
anything that this planet has ever seen! In that sense, NASA may have
ended up as way too self-serving, w.r.t. the bureaucracy and the
military eating up and/or sequestering any technology that would have
led to a more permanent presence of space entrepreneurialism in the
solar system.
Forrest Piper
Dec 5, 2011, 11:48:26 AM12/5/11
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The whole idea used, for 'bypassing' the confining regulation, would
be to mine the asteroids, because of both their abundance and their
arbitrary selectivity. No one could really argue with the fact that
any one mad enough to attempt such a venture, should also be allowed
to keep what he or she has discovered. Convincing and cooperating with
aerospace companies would have to focus on heavier lift technology
first, followed by orbital and trans-orbital cargo and mining vessels
and equipment. Think of a moon mission X 100, and you'll get where I'm
going with this... Percentage of involvement should equal percentage
of profits, and with a growing interface of interdisciplinary
technology, industry spin-offs would help to expand the orbital/extra-
orbital markets, based upon a customer approach for accepting
deliverables on a timely basis.
Think of the context that these ideas are immersing themselves in -
similar to the transcontinental railroad, or the Christopher Columbus
expeditions. How public and/or private should an extraterrestrial
expedition become, if the science used becomes based upon a commercial
enterprise? Probably for a first-time expedition, the cost-sharing
between public and private enterprise could relate to safety and/or
extra-orbital strategic positioning, but my guess is that any orbital/
earth-based market 'share' may end up being fiercely competitive with
the currently over-politicized, geopolitical earth-markets to such a
degree, that heavy sanctions might be placed on those attempting to
drop their deliverables right down into earth orbit - metals markets
today are controlled to such a degree that they are of no consequence
when attempting to monopolize a bureaucracy. For that reason, I
think bureaucracies prefer to have sustainable growth in more
compartmentalized markets with varying degrees of metals application,
such as silicon and rhenium-185...
be to mine the asteroids, because of both their abundance and their
arbitrary selectivity. No one could really argue with the fact that
any one mad enough to attempt such a venture, should also be allowed
to keep what he or she has discovered. Convincing and cooperating with
aerospace companies would have to focus on heavier lift technology
first, followed by orbital and trans-orbital cargo and mining vessels
and equipment. Think of a moon mission X 100, and you'll get where I'm
going with this... Percentage of involvement should equal percentage
of profits, and with a growing interface of interdisciplinary
technology, industry spin-offs would help to expand the orbital/extra-
orbital markets, based upon a customer approach for accepting
deliverables on a timely basis.
Think of the context that these ideas are immersing themselves in -
similar to the transcontinental railroad, or the Christopher Columbus
expeditions. How public and/or private should an extraterrestrial
expedition become, if the science used becomes based upon a commercial
enterprise? Probably for a first-time expedition, the cost-sharing
between public and private enterprise could relate to safety and/or
extra-orbital strategic positioning, but my guess is that any orbital/
earth-based market 'share' may end up being fiercely competitive with
the currently over-politicized, geopolitical earth-markets to such a
degree, that heavy sanctions might be placed on those attempting to
drop their deliverables right down into earth orbit - metals markets
today are controlled to such a degree that they are of no consequence
when attempting to monopolize a bureaucracy. For that reason, I
think bureaucracies prefer to have sustainable growth in more
compartmentalized markets with varying degrees of metals application,
such as silicon and rhenium-185...
Forrest Piper
Dec 5, 2011, 12:56:19 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 11:48 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
To remain slack-jawed and decadent with the international banking
cartels, as opposed to picking ourselves up by the bootstraps, and
understanding the economic feasibility, esp. of how asteroid mining
technology dwarfs all of the over-bureaucratized and geopolitical
monopolies of innovation suppression, and having the science become
just a low-cost byproduct of public relations effort. Only about $10
million can be spent on chemical mapping an asteroid, using a small
unmanned spacecraft, the effect of having a $24 billion Apollo mission
can only mean how paranoid the U.S. international media elite actually
became, in order to create nothing but a political gesture...
What will it take for Americans to awake to having a vested interest,
in something whose reward is far beyond that which the corporate/
international banking cartels are offering its willing accomplices -
the voting public - as a non-bipolar, or even non-tripolar (republican/
democrat/independent) choice, against the criminal offshore cartels -
in the name of our own sovereign will, privacy, safety, security, and
independence. A coordinated flyby mission can narrow a suspected
metal's reflection spectra down to within 0.1mm gamma wavelength auger
electron spectra, for a continuous gamma map of the surface of the
asteroid. No use getting into more detail than is necessary - there
are already programs of how a scintillator/photomultiplier tube
operates, to record the radiation emitted through gamma spectroscopy -
it's the frequency tuning for the gamma reflectances, that IMO the
scintillator/photomultiplier tube has to be tested and calibrated
for. How does one 'retune' or 'reprogram' the same scintillator for
scanning alternate frequencies? Seems like frequency filters would be
in play here, with the appropriate 'noise suppression'.
wrote:
cartels, as opposed to picking ourselves up by the bootstraps, and
understanding the economic feasibility, esp. of how asteroid mining
technology dwarfs all of the over-bureaucratized and geopolitical
monopolies of innovation suppression, and having the science become
just a low-cost byproduct of public relations effort. Only about $10
million can be spent on chemical mapping an asteroid, using a small
unmanned spacecraft, the effect of having a $24 billion Apollo mission
can only mean how paranoid the U.S. international media elite actually
became, in order to create nothing but a political gesture...
What will it take for Americans to awake to having a vested interest,
in something whose reward is far beyond that which the corporate/
international banking cartels are offering its willing accomplices -
the voting public - as a non-bipolar, or even non-tripolar (republican/
democrat/independent) choice, against the criminal offshore cartels -
in the name of our own sovereign will, privacy, safety, security, and
independence. A coordinated flyby mission can narrow a suspected
metal's reflection spectra down to within 0.1mm gamma wavelength auger
electron spectra, for a continuous gamma map of the surface of the
asteroid. No use getting into more detail than is necessary - there
are already programs of how a scintillator/photomultiplier tube
operates, to record the radiation emitted through gamma spectroscopy -
it's the frequency tuning for the gamma reflectances, that IMO the
scintillator/photomultiplier tube has to be tested and calibrated
for. How does one 'retune' or 'reprogram' the same scintillator for
scanning alternate frequencies? Seems like frequency filters would be
in play here, with the appropriate 'noise suppression'.
Brad Guth
Dec 5, 2011, 1:48:20 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 7:44 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you must tie in Lunar commerce into your 'metallicity thread, there
> are a few key things that IMO cannot go unnoticed. One is the legal
> use of the term "Common Heritage of Mankind" (CHM). This was a single
> piece of legislation that placed a limitation on the assets one could
> aquire, as well as the mining, processing, and sale of those assets
> into the world markets. In effect, the CHM has banned individual
> ownership, which can only mean that whatever NASA had been doing back
> until just after the shuttle had been created (post-Apollo), had been
> selling space onboard for international interest, and while the U.S.
> government earned a profit on those sales, as well as ensnaring itself
> with the international space station, unwillingly began to lose the
> space race for the sake of the NWO.
Those oligarchs and upper caste Semites that wish to continue owing
>
> If you must tie in Lunar commerce into your 'metallicity thread, there
> are a few key things that IMO cannot go unnoticed. One is the legal
> use of the term "Common Heritage of Mankind" (CHM). This was a single
> piece of legislation that placed a limitation on the assets one could
> aquire, as well as the mining, processing, and sale of those assets
> into the world markets. In effect, the CHM has banned individual
> ownership, which can only mean that whatever NASA had been doing back
> until just after the shuttle had been created (post-Apollo), had been
> selling space onboard for international interest, and while the U.S.
> government earned a profit on those sales, as well as ensnaring itself
> with the international space station, unwillingly began to lose the
> space race for the sake of the NWO.
and/or controlling rights to everything that truly matters, are going
to have an increasingly difficult time keeping the angry villagers
from burning down their multiple castles.
>
> It would be like saying that the American West had been reserved only
> for anyone who obtained a license of ownership for surveyed lands
> prior to ever moving there! Even more absurd is that no roads would
> have built, no telegraph lines would exist, and no mining would be
> possible. Individual ownership of property in space must become
> sanctioned, in order to achieve a legal recognition of the wealth
> possible, that remains several orders of magnitude greater than
> anything that this planet has ever seen! In that sense, NASA may have
> ended up as way too self-serving, w.r.t. the bureaucracy and the
> military eating up and/or sequestering any technology that would have
> led to a more permanent presence of space entrepreneurialism in the
> solar system.
private parts and otherwise begging for mercy, and they certainly
would not care to allow or much less assist individuals or private
corporations run by civilians to ever obtain such great wealth and
subsequent authority, unless they maintained some NWO authority over
them. Therefore the private individuals of this future space
entrepreneurialism that are willing to invest and risk pissing off the
mainstream status quo will likely be few and far between. Even the
likes of William Mook that claims having sufficient personal wealth
plus most of the answers and personal expertise, is currently hiding
out in New Zealand, at least until the American economy bottoms out
and many government agencies are no longer public funded by enough of
our hard earned loot to keep their lights turned on.
Brad Guth
Dec 5, 2011, 2:22:58 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 9:56 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 11:48 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
You will never get any argument from myself or the likes of William
Mook, against that of having such an abundance of asteroids to pick
from, and especially including the really big asteroid of 7.35e22 kg,
is ever going to be a bad idea. In fact those asteroids of terrific
metallicity seem to be offering us an impressive treasure trove of
rare elements that's kind of up for grabs, seems rather tempting for
private enterprise. I'm certain that Russia, China, India plus all
that's ESA have been quietly plotting their next moves for securing
rights to certain asteroids plus nailing down their fair share of
lunar territory, whereas the moon might have to get divided up like
Antarctica in order to minimize the future wealth disparity that could
otherwise happen if the NWO or OWO run primarily by Semites takes full
command.
Gamma secondary/recoil frequencies will tell us about the surface and
bedrock saturations of heavy, medium and light elements that each
asteroid or moon has to offer. The depth of gamma spectrometry may
have certain limitations from orbit, however surface probes and a few
robotic accomplished test wells could probe deeply enough into each
surface in order to help quantify the levels of metallicity types and
their saturations. According to William Mook, most if not all of the
required technology already exist, including the capability of
creating reusable fly-by-rocket methods of safely getting us and our
robotics safely to/from asteroids and the moon.
> On Dec 5, 11:48 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
Mook, against that of having such an abundance of asteroids to pick
from, and especially including the really big asteroid of 7.35e22 kg,
is ever going to be a bad idea. In fact those asteroids of terrific
metallicity seem to be offering us an impressive treasure trove of
rare elements that's kind of up for grabs, seems rather tempting for
private enterprise. I'm certain that Russia, China, India plus all
that's ESA have been quietly plotting their next moves for securing
rights to certain asteroids plus nailing down their fair share of
lunar territory, whereas the moon might have to get divided up like
Antarctica in order to minimize the future wealth disparity that could
otherwise happen if the NWO or OWO run primarily by Semites takes full
command.
Gamma secondary/recoil frequencies will tell us about the surface and
bedrock saturations of heavy, medium and light elements that each
asteroid or moon has to offer. The depth of gamma spectrometry may
have certain limitations from orbit, however surface probes and a few
robotic accomplished test wells could probe deeply enough into each
surface in order to help quantify the levels of metallicity types and
their saturations. According to William Mook, most if not all of the
required technology already exist, including the capability of
creating reusable fly-by-rocket methods of safely getting us and our
robotics safely to/from asteroids and the moon.
Forrest Piper
Dec 5, 2011, 2:24:22 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 12:56 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
In fact, here is a webpage I created for the science behind the scene,
using a calibrated scintillator for detection of radionuclides. In
this case the radionuclide(s) in question are, for example the gamma
reflectances of metals inside asteroidal regolith, that have projected
upon them gamma rays from a gamma SAR flyby:
http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/gamma_mapping.htm
How many radionuclides can be programmed into the scintillator? No one
seems to have enough info, beside possibly J. Lewis, with the
molecular constituency of the regolith, based upon meteorite data,
e.g. "Stony, Stony-irons, and Irons", subdivided into Stony:
chondrites (primitive and undifferentiated), achondrites (igneous,
differentiated), Stony Irons: mesoiderites (silicate and metal lumps),
pallasites (metal matrix with silicates), and Irons: hexahedrites (<6%
Ni), octahedrites (> 6% Ni), ataxites (40% - 60% Ni). Approximately 1%
of the chondrites are the abundant metal type, the enstatites, which
are said to be more concentrated inside the inner belt, around the
orbit of Mars. Unfortunately, they are mixed in with the high-iron
achondritic or stony-iron asteroids, which would then require flyby
mapping. The positive side is that the earth-crossing asteroids are
also in this class, which means easier access...
wrote:
using a calibrated scintillator for detection of radionuclides. In
this case the radionuclide(s) in question are, for example the gamma
reflectances of metals inside asteroidal regolith, that have projected
upon them gamma rays from a gamma SAR flyby:
http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/gamma_mapping.htm
How many radionuclides can be programmed into the scintillator? No one
seems to have enough info, beside possibly J. Lewis, with the
molecular constituency of the regolith, based upon meteorite data,
e.g. "Stony, Stony-irons, and Irons", subdivided into Stony:
chondrites (primitive and undifferentiated), achondrites (igneous,
differentiated), Stony Irons: mesoiderites (silicate and metal lumps),
pallasites (metal matrix with silicates), and Irons: hexahedrites (<6%
Ni), octahedrites (> 6% Ni), ataxites (40% - 60% Ni). Approximately 1%
of the chondrites are the abundant metal type, the enstatites, which
are said to be more concentrated inside the inner belt, around the
orbit of Mars. Unfortunately, they are mixed in with the high-iron
achondritic or stony-iron asteroids, which would then require flyby
mapping. The positive side is that the earth-crossing asteroids are
also in this class, which means easier access...
Brad Guth
Dec 5, 2011, 4:16:17 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 11:24 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
Extremely small and affordable probes can be sent off as gamma
spectrometry scouts, or in the case of our moon they can be easily
soft landed upon its physically dark surface. The metallicity mapping
of Venus by way of a telerobotic flown composite rigid airship that
could then cruise autonomously as in a self-governing robotic manner,
almost indefinitely at something like 20~25 km, as well as dropping
off as many science probes to the surface as necessary, seems almost
too easy.
"Autonomous robots are robots that can perform desired tasks in
unstructured environments without continuous human guidance."
A manned expedition outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 would be a
cool plus relatively cosmic and solar radiation safe location to
operate those robotic airships from.
spectrometry scouts, or in the case of our moon they can be easily
soft landed upon its physically dark surface. The metallicity mapping
of Venus by way of a telerobotic flown composite rigid airship that
could then cruise autonomously as in a self-governing robotic manner,
almost indefinitely at something like 20~25 km, as well as dropping
off as many science probes to the surface as necessary, seems almost
too easy.
"Autonomous robots are robots that can perform desired tasks in
unstructured environments without continuous human guidance."
A manned expedition outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 would be a
cool plus relatively cosmic and solar radiation safe location to
operate those robotic airships from.
Brad Guth
Dec 6, 2011, 11:25:16 PM12/6/11
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> Off-World metallicity is simply offering the next great future gold-
> rush x 1000, offering valuable resources that our planet as is seems
> to be running out of affordable and much less failsafe options, not to
> mention the past and ongoing environmental trauma caused (including
> human genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that
> can be directly linked to mining and hydrocarbon extractions,
> processing and their distributions).
>
> Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, or that our
> processing and their distributions).
>
> terrestrial metallicity of common and rare metals, minerals,
> hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
> the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
> simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
> environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
> mention an escalating GW factor that’s compromising virtually
> hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
> the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
> simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
> environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
> everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
>
> This future metallicity-rush could make gold, platinum and even
>
> diamonds too common and perhaps even too cheap to hoard, so that kind
> of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a rather
> poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
> authority. Naturally the well established defenders of our mainstream
> status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-
> world resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to
> sustain their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity leverage.
> of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a rather
> poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
> authority. Naturally the well established defenders of our mainstream
> status-quo would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-
> world resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to
> Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of gold onto the global market
> would do to its terrestrial value, or even rhodium and thorium are not
> exactly cheap elements of metallicity.
>
> Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
> mostly involve robotic processing and somewhat automated shipments
> Even though initially spendy for exploiting off-world mining, it’ll
> back to Earth that will likely make those previous terrestrial gold-
> rush eras seem like primitive practice runs. Off-world basic
> carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron plus those high
> concentrations of titanium as well as thorium, uranium and many other
> heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value, getting
> especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either running on
> near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too politically and human
> concentrations of titanium as well as thorium, uranium and many other
> heavy elements are not exactly of insignificant value, getting
> especially valuable when terrestrial resources are either running on
> near empty or just getting too spendy and/or too politically and human
> risky to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and artificially overvalued by
> those within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). Those Canadian
> oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
> everything gets taken into account, not to mention the horrific
> those within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). Those Canadian
> oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
> environment impact that has to include more than doubling the carbon
> footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise the fracking of deep shale
> in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
> process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
> which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
> compared to the relatively failsafe thorium fueled reactors.
> in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
> process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
> which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
> elevator with its enormous counter mass international space station
> outpost/oasis/gateway plus having its tethered science and energy
> transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though still not
> nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
>
> I would imagine processing not more than 10% from any given asteroid
> nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
>
> is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our moon taking
> but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
> trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
> Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from our moon
> couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving excavated
> tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be reutilized
> as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of TBMs
> clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or underneath
> that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust. (that’s only
> providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of ten billion
> of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and those lunar tailings or
> but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
> trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
> Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from our moon
> couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving excavated
> tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be reutilized
> as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of TBMs
> clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or underneath
> that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust. (that’s only
> providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe habitat for each of ten billion
> supposedly democratic republic are not going to step-up and announce
> squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
> generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
> such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
> preoccupied with his political damage-control issues to be of any use,
> squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
> generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
> such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
> and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
> damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
> and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
> to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as geothermal, solar and
> damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
> and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
> wind derived energy are not going to be allowed to flourish on any
> large scale competitive terrestrial basis, is what kind of leaves the
> rest of us with off-world alternatives that may seem like another wild
> west gold-rush era.
>
> So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
>
> So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
>
Brad Guth
Dec 6, 2011, 11:27:15 PM12/6/11
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Brad Guth
Dec 6, 2011, 11:32:38 PM12/6/11
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On Dec 5, 11:24 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
That's all extremely complex but interesting. I think remote gamma
spectrometry is pretty good enough as is, although your methods could
prove better.
Crystallographic Propulsion Theory?
spectrometry is pretty good enough as is, although your methods could
prove better.
Crystallographic Propulsion Theory?
Brad Guth
Dec 14, 2011, 9:42:43 AM12/14/11
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Off-world metallicity is a very good thing, not that digging up and/or
excavating through another fraction of a percent of Eden, plus
extensive recycling shouldn’t get us by. We’ve processed through and/
or having excavated plus sucked dry roughly 0.0000001% of our planet
as is, and a billionth of our planet is only 6 trillion tonnes.
However, adding in what we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared
and/or having cultivated to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive
6000 trillion tonnes, or 0.0001%, so perhaps we still got a long ways
to go before ever reaching 0.1%, that might not even be possible
without going below the crust..
Actually gold is still a very nifty metal that's good for all sorts of
stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll also be hard to replace
with other alloys that are any easier to come by.. By rights our
physically dark moon should be saturated with gold deposits and many
other valuable metallicity elements, because any good color image of
the physically dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific
assortment of metals do exist.
However, if the NWO is going to become simply evil upon evil, whereas
only the bully oligarchs and Rothschilds as mutually competitive
robber barons get to decide most everything, then it's not going to
become a good thing, much less fair and balanced for the other
99.9999% of us that always get to pay for everything. Perhaps that’s
the message in those Georgia Guide Stones telling us that a maximum of
500 million get to remain and dominate this planet because that’s all
this planet can possibly accommodate without social, political and
faith-based insurmountable issues.
Of what little social/political corruption is left is kind of the
cookie crumbs of the mostly public funded jar, because all the really
good cookies of crime and corruption have already been taken and
consumed by those truly in charge of whomever we elect or appoint, and
clearly mainstream religion can’t be trusted to police its own kind.
Perhaps it's past due that we the evil villagers with each of our fist
full of burning sticks take charge, and if need be burn down the
castles of those evil robber barons oppressing and misguiding us,
because with good applied physics and existing technology this planet
can accommodate billions more without our having to go off-world in
seeking greater riches and/or the basics that’ll be required for
sustaining life as we know it.
So, it's kind of evil against evil, and may the best bad guys win, and
of course only the evil victors ever get to interpret and publish
their version of history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at
public expense can be forgotten and/or continually blamed on those
other evil bad guys. Clearly the only good guys are the losers
because they didn’t get to cheat and obfuscate their way to the top.
> is ever going to be a bad idea. In fact those asteroids of terrificmetallicityseem to be offering us an impressive treasure trove of
excavating through another fraction of a percent of Eden, plus
extensive recycling shouldn’t get us by. We’ve processed through and/
or having excavated plus sucked dry roughly 0.0000001% of our planet
as is, and a billionth of our planet is only 6 trillion tonnes.
However, adding in what we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared
and/or having cultivated to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive
6000 trillion tonnes, or 0.0001%, so perhaps we still got a long ways
to go before ever reaching 0.1%, that might not even be possible
without going below the crust..
Actually gold is still a very nifty metal that's good for all sorts of
stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll also be hard to replace
with other alloys that are any easier to come by.. By rights our
physically dark moon should be saturated with gold deposits and many
other valuable metallicity elements, because any good color image of
the physically dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific
assortment of metals do exist.
However, if the NWO is going to become simply evil upon evil, whereas
only the bully oligarchs and Rothschilds as mutually competitive
robber barons get to decide most everything, then it's not going to
become a good thing, much less fair and balanced for the other
99.9999% of us that always get to pay for everything. Perhaps that’s
the message in those Georgia Guide Stones telling us that a maximum of
500 million get to remain and dominate this planet because that’s all
this planet can possibly accommodate without social, political and
faith-based insurmountable issues.
Of what little social/political corruption is left is kind of the
cookie crumbs of the mostly public funded jar, because all the really
good cookies of crime and corruption have already been taken and
consumed by those truly in charge of whomever we elect or appoint, and
clearly mainstream religion can’t be trusted to police its own kind.
Perhaps it's past due that we the evil villagers with each of our fist
full of burning sticks take charge, and if need be burn down the
castles of those evil robber barons oppressing and misguiding us,
because with good applied physics and existing technology this planet
can accommodate billions more without our having to go off-world in
seeking greater riches and/or the basics that’ll be required for
sustaining life as we know it.
So, it's kind of evil against evil, and may the best bad guys win, and
of course only the evil victors ever get to interpret and publish
their version of history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at
public expense can be forgotten and/or continually blamed on those
other evil bad guys. Clearly the only good guys are the losers
because they didn’t get to cheat and obfuscate their way to the top.
> rare elements that's kind of up for grabs, seems rather tempting for
> private enterprise. I'm certain that Russia, China, India plus all
> that's ESA have been quietly plotting their next moves for securing
> rights to certain asteroids plus nailing down their fair share of
> lunar territory, whereas the moon might have to get divided up like
> Antarctica in order to minimize the future wealth disparity that could
> otherwise happen if the NWO or OWO run primarily by Semites takes full
> command.
>
> Gamma secondary/recoil frequencies will tell us about the surface and
> bedrock saturations of heavy, medium and light elements that each
> asteroid or moon has to offer. The depth of gamma spectrometry may
> have certain limitations from orbit, however surface probes and a few
> robotic accomplished test wells could probe deeply enough into each
> surface in order to help quantify the levels ofmetallicitytypes and
> private enterprise. I'm certain that Russia, China, India plus all
> that's ESA have been quietly plotting their next moves for securing
> rights to certain asteroids plus nailing down their fair share of
> lunar territory, whereas the moon might have to get divided up like
> Antarctica in order to minimize the future wealth disparity that could
> otherwise happen if the NWO or OWO run primarily by Semites takes full
> command.
>
> Gamma secondary/recoil frequencies will tell us about the surface and
> bedrock saturations of heavy, medium and light elements that each
> asteroid or moon has to offer. The depth of gamma spectrometry may
> have certain limitations from orbit, however surface probes and a few
> robotic accomplished test wells could probe deeply enough into each
Brad Guth
Dec 14, 2011, 9:43:21 AM12/14/11
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On Nov 30, 9:27 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Off-Worldmetallicityis simply offering the next great future gold-
> rush x 1000, offering valuable resources that our planet as is seems
> to be running out of affordable and much less failsafe options, not to
> mention the past and ongoing environmental trauma caused (including
> human genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that
> can be directly linked to mining and hydrocarbon extractions,
> processing and their distributions).
>
> Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, or that our
> terrestrialmetallicityof common and rare metals, minerals,
> to be running out of affordable and much less failsafe options, not to
> mention the past and ongoing environmental trauma caused (including
> human genetic mutations, multiple cancers and premature deaths that
> can be directly linked to mining and hydrocarbon extractions,
> processing and their distributions).
>
> Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, or that our
> hydrocarbons and our global biodiversity are not getting depleted past
> the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
> simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
> environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
> mention an escalating GW factor that’s compromising virtually
> everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
>
> This futuremetallicity-rush could make gold, platinum and even
> the point of no return, the only valid reason for going off-world is
> simply for greater profits and less terrestrial trauma to our frail
> environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to
> mention an escalating GW factor that’s compromising virtually
> everything we know and supposedly cherish about our planet.
>
> lethal to surface life as we know it (such as when the nearby Sirius B
> terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own sun is perfectly
> capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us, which would easily
> penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby cause great amounts
> of damage to our less than robust infrastructure (including satellite
> damage could be rather extensive), though fortunately and lucky for us
> that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13 kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/
> s nor having been directed at us. However, something of good mass
> (such as a large asteroid or small planetoid) directly impacting our
> sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg CME.
>
> The mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus offers terrific
> potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes down to surviving
> a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and greater shielded as
> for fending off cosmic energy and those passing molecular/nebula
> clouds of any greatmetallicity, because that’s exactly what an
> terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own sun is perfectly
> capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us, which would easily
> penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby cause great amounts
> of damage to our less than robust infrastructure (including satellite
> damage could be rather extensive), though fortunately and lucky for us
> that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13 kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/
> s nor having been directed at us. However, something of good mass
> (such as a large asteroid or small planetoid) directly impacting our
> sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg CME.
>
> The mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus offers terrific
> potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes down to surviving
> a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and greater shielded as
> for fending off cosmic energy and those passing molecular/nebula
> extremely dense atmosphere that’s continually replenished from within
> kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon impacting Venus are going
> to get their arrival moderated down to a dull roar due to the terrific
> density of its thick atmosphere, whereas our nearly naked Earth is
> eventually going to get seriously nailed at near full velocity. The
> mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus is simply better protected
> from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as whatever local radioactive
> deposits are more than a hundred fold better shielded and/or
> attenuated by way of the given density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere.
> Of course there’s always a systemic risk in doing most anything on or
> off-world, however the payback of mining asteroids plus that of
> extracting valuable elements from our physically dark moon as well as
> going for the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to suggest a way
> better investment payback than our government agencies and their
> contracted (public funded) partners have been allowing us to realize.
>
> Heavymetallicitysaturated asteroids like YU55 are a dime a dozen, so
> kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon impacting Venus are going
> to get their arrival moderated down to a dull roar due to the terrific
> density of its thick atmosphere, whereas our nearly naked Earth is
> eventually going to get seriously nailed at near full velocity. The
> mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus is simply better protected
> from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as whatever local radioactive
> deposits are more than a hundred fold better shielded and/or
> attenuated by way of the given density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere.
> Of course there’s always a systemic risk in doing most anything on or
> off-world, however the payback of mining asteroids plus that of
> extracting valuable elements from our physically dark moon as well as
> going for the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to suggest a way
> better investment payback than our government agencies and their
> contracted (public funded) partners have been allowing us to realize.
>
> to speak. This of course is simply a perfectly fair cost or
> investment analogy relative to the greater worth of theirmetallicity
> plus offering a few other off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that
> could be real handy. For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne
> would make a very good outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although
> setting up Venus L2 would certainly be much cooler, stable and
> reliably passing within 100 LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is
> officially doing their LSEI version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space
> elevator with its enormous counter mass international space station
> outpost/oasis/gateway plus having its tethered science and energy
> transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though still not
> nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
>
> I would imagine processing not more than 10% from any given asteroid
> is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our moon taking
> but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
> trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
> Obviously extracting a millionth of themetallicitymass from our moon
> investment analogy relative to the greater worth of theirmetallicity
> plus offering a few other off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that
> could be real handy. For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne
> would make a very good outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although
> setting up Venus L2 would certainly be much cooler, stable and
> reliably passing within 100 LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is
> officially doing their LSEI version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space
> elevator with its enormous counter mass international space station
> outpost/oasis/gateway plus having its tethered science and energy
> transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though still not
> nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon to Earth L1.
>
> I would imagine processing not more than 10% from any given asteroid
> is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our moon taking
> but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred million
> trillion ($1300/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,000/kg).
>
> William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
> and how to go about gathering up, mining and processing asteroids.
> Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are somewhat
> limitedmetallicitydeposits (especially of rare earths) on our
> William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
> and how to go about gathering up, mining and processing asteroids.
> Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are somewhat
> planet, whereas going off-world seems kind of unlimited, especially
> when considering what our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus
> should have to offer. Thereby spending a trillion to capture a given
> asteroid and setting up those mostly robotic methods of mining,
> processing and exporting is less than a drop of financial investment
> in the otherwise overflowing buckets of investment returns, and no
> doubt those smarter than us ETs would naturally have known this. Of
> course we don’t have to bother with capturing the asteroid/planetoid
> Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg of raw elements, because it’s already
> parked in a relatively stable orbit, as well as ideal for
> accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar Space Elevator to/from its L1)
> that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand times.
>
> Even relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have been
> causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain carnage,
> not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations, transport,
> processing and finished product distribution, plus some metals having
> a few social/political tensions that tend to get some of us killed.
> Therefore, obtaining suchmetallicityelements from a passing asteroid
> when considering what our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus
> should have to offer. Thereby spending a trillion to capture a given
> asteroid and setting up those mostly robotic methods of mining,
> processing and exporting is less than a drop of financial investment
> in the otherwise overflowing buckets of investment returns, and no
> doubt those smarter than us ETs would naturally have known this. Of
> course we don’t have to bother with capturing the asteroid/planetoid
> Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg of raw elements, because it’s already
> parked in a relatively stable orbit, as well as ideal for
> accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar Space Elevator to/from its L1)
> that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand times.
>
> Even relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have been
> causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain carnage,
> not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations, transport,
> processing and finished product distribution, plus some metals having
> a few social/political tensions that tend to get some of us killed.
> that’s captured, or from that of our moon or even from the extremely
> nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious, whereas each of those
> having their very own unlimited renewable energy and no stinking
> Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging environmentalists, biodiversity
> protectors nor complex regulatory agencies to contend with, could make
> our wild west seems like a preschool temper tantrum because of the
> wealth and subsequent hording and greed that’ll likely happen unless
> private enterprise is allowed to function without the usual social/
> political or faith-based authority getting involved.
>
> Obviously our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded agency of our
> supposedly democratic republic are not going to step-up and announce
> squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
> generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
> such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
> preoccupied with his political damage-control issues to be of any use,
> and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
> damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
> and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
> to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as geothermal, solar and
> wind derived energy are not going to be allowed to flourish on any
> large scale competitive terrestrial basis, is what kind of leaves the
> rest of us with off-world alternatives that may seem like another wild
> west gold-rush era.
>
> So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
>
> nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious, whereas each of those
> having their very own unlimited renewable energy and no stinking
> Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging environmentalists, biodiversity
> protectors nor complex regulatory agencies to contend with, could make
> our wild west seems like a preschool temper tantrum because of the
> wealth and subsequent hording and greed that’ll likely happen unless
> private enterprise is allowed to function without the usual social/
> political or faith-based authority getting involved.
>
> Obviously our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded agency of our
> supposedly democratic republic are not going to step-up and announce
> squat via mainstream media, or otherwise bother to educate this
> generation nor even the next K12 and higher educated republic about
> such off-world matters, and unfortunately our President BHO is too
> preoccupied with his political damage-control issues to be of any use,
> and his somewhat unproductive energy wizard Steven Chu is also in
> damage-control mode, plus William Mook as our resident fly-by-rocket
> and energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem to have the necessary resources
> to accomplish any of this alone. So, as long as geothermal, solar and
> wind derived energy are not going to be allowed to flourish on any
> large scale competitive terrestrial basis, is what kind of leaves the
> rest of us with off-world alternatives that may seem like another wild
> west gold-rush era.
>
> So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
>
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