Is this why we still do not have Selene L1
BradGuth
NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
the whole lot as though they were nothing but another Muslim sleeper
cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1)
platform of observation and other science instruments could have been
accomplished for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it
could have been telling us the whole body of naked truths about Earth,
instead of our being limited by the published mainstream obfuscated
infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts of our
public funded science they see fit to share.
Not so unexpected, they have needed something to refocus or divert
public attention away from the ugly truths, and the AGW fiasco as
having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary culprit has
certainly been their best ticket to ride.
In spite of the local and cosmic influx of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth is
losing a great deal of mass, mostly by way of losing its helium and
hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
their heavily hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s nothing all that
clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using coal,
not to mention the surface and aquifer loads of mostly fresh water
consumptions and subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain
and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
Earth’s atmosphere sustains an average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts
per volume or 0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along
with hydrogen leading the way, plus certain freons and perhaps even
pulling some of our methane tag along for the ride, that’s all helping
to expand those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, on any
given second, minute or hour there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium made
available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
ppm, and at 1 bar this saturation is worth a global volumetric 472e3
tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s
continually made available on any given minute, hour or day after day.
Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
(avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing the
element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
released hydrogen and helium from coal mining, so instead we have any
number of mostly industry funded research reports to pick from, none
of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, we get to use
our loose cannon swag of deductive interpretation in order to obtain
rough estimates. Being highly conservative, I have used 1% of the
methane and 0.1% of the extracted coal volume as a rough basis for
estimating the extent of helium released. However, as it turns out
I’ve only been off by a factor of 10<20 fold at having underestimated
the methane and subsequent helium per tonne or even per m3 of coal.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
the speculating global methane released from abandoned mines is likely
in excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at
the very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg =
17.8e3 tonnes He/year from abandoned sites, and that estimate could
easily be conservative by a factor of 10.
http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM030.pdf
This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured.
http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
“From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
air methane (VAM).”
In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (130e6 m3/
yr) plus whatever helium is simply vented. At an energy equivalent
value of 10 kwh/m3, guess these energy producing folks never heard of
“waste not, want not”, and perhaps it sounds like BHO needs to create
a national methane piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly
as we need to upgrade and expand our national electrical grid, because
we’re clearly wasting more energy than we use.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
whereas the stored element of helium is never consumed, but instead
the release of coal sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With
perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal plus associated methane per
year going up in smoke, so to speak, there’s also a good million
tonnes or more worth of helium getting released per year. This
helium, like that released via natural gas, simply doesn’t recombine
or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not putting out those underground coal fires has been a
bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
natural flux plus that of our artificial release of helium was, and
that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
helium. Is there a race with China to see who can release the most
helium?
If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell would not want to see
any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen that’s
going away at a fairly alarming rate.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without their
fair share of internal or open combustion? (just kidding, because
there’s all sorts of ways that’s put anything we have to shame, and
then some)
~ BG
Eric Gisse
[snip guthrant]
Don't you have anything better to do?
Jeff▲Relf
The answer is obvious: “ No. ”. We're like rats in a cage ..
everyone is looking for a good topic but no one is finding it.
Eric Gisse
Fuck off, relf.
BTW, good job on that non-RFC compliant newsreader. I see it
completely ignores the followup-to header.
[snip stupidity]
Julian Bordas
Have a look at sci.space.science and sci.space.tech
Jeff▲Relf
Yea, I didn't send my reply to your Alt.Morons newsGroup ― so sorry.
How, exactly, is my newsReader not 100.00 perent RFC compliant ?
I study such matters in exquisite detail, so good luck with that.
Were you thinking of the GNKSA standard ( not an RFC ),
or some other standard you invented in your head ?
When you have a problem you bitch at us,
hoping we'll follow your favorite standards.
Rarely do I have problems but, when I do,
I change my habits and/or my code. I don't bitch.
There's no separating me from X.EXE, we're a package,
a package that can't be copied !
P.S. I ran accross an HTML attachment in the Sci.Physics newsGroup:
news:_Iupl.23601$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au
I had to make changes to the following code so that
attribution lines would get stripped ( as they normally are )
and to ensure that blocks of >quoted lines got muffled.
As a further test, I made a post with a “ 8Bit.HTM ” attachment:
news:Jeff...@Seattle.2009_Feb.26|3.11pm|R
From “ JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.CPP ”:
// When passing through here once for each post, eMail
// and/or PlainText attachment, check only once ( the first time )
// to see if there are attachements or not.
if ( ! Checked && ( Checked = 1, MimeHeader ) ) goto Attach ;
// Some test cases:
// news:d7adnXU3PJxXNhLU...@centurytel.net
// news:Xns9BB19489...@127.0.0.1
// news:Jeff...@Seattle.2009_Feb.27|8.55pm|w
int cntBL = 0, ☒ = 0 ;
LnP prnQ1 = 0, prnQ2 = 0, ˄ = L"˄" ;
// “ BB ” points to the array of lines that is the body of the post.
LnA QQ = BB - 1 ;
reScan:
// Might pass through here twice:
// once to check for attribution lines ( to supress them ),
// and once again to print.
PP = BB - 1 ; int wrpQL, QL = 0 ;
nxLn:
// Seen once for each line in the body of a post, eMail
// or PlainText attachment.
if ( ++ PP >= EE || !( P = B = * PP )
|| ( MimeSep && EqN( B, * MimeSep, Sz_MimeSep ) ) )
// Hit the end of the post, eMail or PlainText attachment.
if ( ☒ )
// Checked for attribution lines and printed the body.
goto EoScan ;
else {
// Can't complete the check for attribution lines
// because there aren't enough of them ( < 5 );
// they don't exist, goto “ reScan: ” ( to print ).
☒ = 1 ; goto reScan ; }
if ( Q && PP > QQ ) {
// unQ()'ing twice would be bad,
// so remember how many lines have been unQ()'d.
QQ = PP ;
int SzB = strSz( B );
wchar_t & Ch
= SzB <= 1 || B[ SzB - 2 ] == '=' ? B[ SzB ] : B[ SzB - 1 ];
if ( Ch != '=' )
// Resolve the Quoted Printable stuff
// using the charSet specified in the attachment's header.
unQ( B );
else {
// Remove the =char at the end of the line.
SzB --, Ch = 0 ;
if ( PP + 1 >= EE ) goto nxLn ;
LnP B2 = PP[ 1 ];
int SzB2 = strSz( B2 ), SzBigB = SzB + SzB2 + 1 ;
// Allocating from a very temporary heap.
LnP BigB = PP[ 1 ] = MallocTmp( SzBigB * SzChar );
// Combine the lines.
wmemmove( BigB, B, SzB ),
wmemmove( BigB + SzB, B2, SzB2 + 1 ); goto nxLn ; } }
// “ QL == 1 ” when the current line is >quoted.
wrpQL = QL, Ch = * B, QL = isQL ;
// Checked for attribution lines ?
if ( !☒ ) { ☒ = QL, cntBL += !*B ;
if ( cntBL >= 2 || PP - BB > 5 ) {
// No attribution lines; goto “ reScan: ” ( to print ).
☒ = 1 ; goto reScan ; }
if ( !☒ )
// Keep checking.
goto nxLn ;
// Done checking, conditinally print the rest of the post.
}
if ( QL ) {
if ( !prnQ2 )
// “ ˄ ” is the default, when no “ good ” >quoted lines exist.
prnQ2 = ˄ ;
// Skip past leading >chars and whitespace.
P = B ; While( Ch <= 32 || ＞ );
// The >quoted line is “ blank ” when “ Ch ” is Null.
if ( Ch
&& !( isQL || EqiN( P, L"- Show q", 8 )
|| EqiN( P, L"- Hide q", 8 ) ) )
// A “ good ” >quoted line,
// remember ( up to ) the last two of these.
prnQ1 = prnQ2, prnQ2 = B ; goto nxLn ; }
if ( Eq( B, L"- -- " ) || Eq( B, L"--" )
|| Eq( B, L"-- " ) || EqN( B, L"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNA", 20 ) ) {
// Four different sigs, to end the printing.
Sh( L"\"%s\"", B ); goto EoScan ; }
if ( wrpQL && 1 + PP < EE && ( P = PP[1] ) && ( Ch = * P, ＞ ) )
// False alarm, a wrapped line spilled over,
// it's not “ original content ”.
goto nxLn ;
// At this point, “ B ” points to a line of “ original content ”.
if ( prnQ2 ) {
// Print ( up to ) the last two >quoted lines.
if ( prnQ1 && prnQ1 != ˄ ) Sh( L"%s", prnQ1 );
Sh( L"%s", prnQ2 ), prnQ1 = prnQ2 = 0 ; }
// Print the line of “ original content ”.
Sh( L"%s", B ); goto nxLn ;
EoScan:
// Skip lines until the next MIME header.
PP -- ; skipToHdr
Attach:
// Handle the attachement ( a MIME header ).
......
Uncle Al
>
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment,
idiot
Management cares about management. Management cares about process.
Management is orthogonal to product. Read your B-school casebooks.
How can Management be held responsible when they never lift the heavy
end? Management makes decisions, workers make mistakes.
When 30,000 niggers filled the Superdome with shit to bursting
post-Katrina, who got fired? We know who got bonuses: Original
building cost was estimated at $46 million. The Superdome came in at
$165 million. Shoveling out the shit cost $193 million.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
BradGuth
> BradGuth wrote:
>
> > If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> > NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> > otherwise doing to us and our frail environment,
>
> [snip 150 lines of crap]
>
> idiot
>
> Management cares about management. Management cares about process.
> Management is orthogonal to product. Read your B-school casebooks.
> How can Management be held responsible when they never lift the heavy
> end? Management makes decisions, workers make mistakes.
>
> When 30,000 niggers filled the Superdome with shit to bursting
> post-Katrina, who got fired? We know who got bonuses: Original
> building cost was estimated at $46 million. The Superdome came in at
> $165 million. Shoveling out the shit cost $193 million.
>
> --
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
In other words, the last thing you and others of your kind want to
discuss is Selene L1.
I'll edit/polish my original intro, and repost it for good measure,
even though you'd have no intentions of ever reading it or much less
constructively contributing to the cause.
~ BG
BradGuth
and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely
another Muslim sleeper cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the
science instruments could have been accomplished for 10% the cost of
one Apollo mission, and as such it could have been telling us the
whole body of naked truths about Earth, instead of our being limited
by the published mainstream obfuscated infomercial alternative that’s
telling us only what parts of our public funded science they see fit
to share.
Not so unexpected, they needed something to refocus or divert public
attention away from the ugly truths, and the AGW fiasco as having
fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary culprit has
certainly been their best ticket to ride thus far.
In spite of the local and cosmic influx of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth has
been losing a great deal of mass, mostly by way of having lost its
grip on our helium and hydrogen. Directly related to where some of
the methane and subsequent helium per tonne or especially per m3 of
coal.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
speculating global methane released from abandoned mines, is likely in
yr) plus whatever helium is simply vented. At the distributed energy
equivalent value of 33<36e3 btu/m3 or 10.5 kwh/m3 @100% eff. (typical
net power generator efficiency at 39% = 4.1 kwhr/m3, and top quality
home/office/commercial heating can extract <96% eff), guess these coal
and methane energy supplying wizards never heard of “waste not, want
not”. Perhaps BHO needs to create a national methane piping grid with
99% helium removal, just as badly as we have needed to upgrade and
expand our national electrical grid, because we’re clearly wasting
more energy than we actually need to use.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
whereas the stored element of helium is never consumed, but instead
the release of coal sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With
perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal plus associated methane per
year going up in smoke, so to speak, there’s also a good million
tonnes or more worth of helium getting released per year. This
helium, like that released via natural gas, simply doesn’t recombine
or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not putting out those underground coal fires has been a
bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how utterly dynamitic and extensive
the natural outflux plus that of our artificial release of helium was,
and that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
helium. Is there a race with China to see who can release the most
helium?
If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
those Rothschilds and Big Energy cartels, I sure as hell would not
want to see any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking
at Earth, and much less allowing general media access to any of such
publicly funded research that would easily quantify as to how much of
Earth is getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and
otherwise polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen
that’s going away from Earth at a fairly alarming rate.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without having
created their fair share of internal or open combustion? (just
kidding, because there’s all sorts of perfectly renewable and/or
geothermal ways that’ll put most anything we have [short of He3/
fusion] to shame, and then some). Too bad we don’t have the cool
Venus L2 as for accommodating our gateway home away from home, perhaps
for the same reasons we don’t have Selene L1 at our disposal for even
robotic/remote obtained science.
~ BG
jacob navia
>
> When 30,000 niggers filled the Superdome with shit to bursting
> post-Katrina, who got fired? We know who got bonuses: Original
> building cost was estimated at $46 million. The Superdome came in at
> $165 million. Shoveling out the shit cost $193 million.
>
Yeah those "niggers"... They "filled the Superdome with shit".
Of course racist assholes like you do not shit, never. You can therefore
live 3 days without doing it isn't it?
Blame the victims! That's an old tactic of all racists. People were
abandoned in that building with toilets that did not work, no running
water, no food no NOTHING for 3 days and then... IT IS THEIR FAULT OF
COURSE!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/23/hurricanekatrina.usa
Survivors' stories
Lloyd Coffey, who worked as a roofer in New Orleans, relocated to Texas
with his wife, Shiprha Downing, and baby, Shayvah. "My worry was the
safety of my wife and two-month-old boy. I didn't let them out of my
sight. There were people in there going crazy, people who needed
medication for mental conditions who weren't getting them, and one guy
jumped to his death.
"Nobody was safe. There was every horrific thing you can imagine, it was
like the end of the world. There was the constant smell of faeces,
beatings, looting. We were in survival mode, trying to sleep in chairs
and bathe on the stairwells with the little water we got from the
National Guard. We were there for six days and only got out on medical
grounds because of the baby.
James "Father Jim" Deshotels, 50, is a nurse and Jesuit priest who
tended to the Superdome's injured and sick refugees for five days. His
mission provides healthcare to the homeless.
"At about 2am on that first night you could start to smell all these
grimy, dirty people. We were OK until the power went down, and it was
dark and scary. Then the roof flew open and it rained. There was a lot
of suspicion and fear of violence. There was at least one attempted
rape, the perpetrator was beaten up by those around him.
"But there were six deaths, not 200, and we had three births. We had
some really critical patients who were evacuated and lots of other
things - dehydration was a problem. It was a miserable experience.
BradGuth
And the primo example of the best we could manage considering what a
total waste FEMA and the lack of national guard was all about.
Our own government (state and federal) failed big time, and that storm
was an easy one compared to what's coming. God must have been on the
side of OBL, because he/she sure as hell wasn't working on our side.
~ BG
~ BG
Michael Moroney
>In other words, the last thing you and others of your kind want to
>discuss is Selene L1.
It isn't very interesting, after all. The moon's actual surface is much
more so.
BradGuth
wrote:
I fail to see the dull/boring uninteresting side of Selene L1.
You can't safely accomplish good astronomy or most other forms of
Earth related science from the physically dark surface of our naked
and unavoidably electrostatic charged and otherwise reactive moon. As
far as anyone objectively knows, there's still no such thing as any
fly-by-rocket lander, but we can manage with 1968 era technology to
adequately park and interactively sustain most any amount of volume
and tonnage of our stuff within Selene L1.
~ BG
BradGuth
> Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> No thanks. I'll take Ceres, that way I can be as far away from you
> scientifically illiterate idiots as possible.
It's also double IR hot by day, with an extra secondary/recoil worth
of 1200 w/m2 surrounding each and every cm2 of your moonsuit and
whatever equipment, and that's in addition to the average 1367 w/m2
coming directly from the sun, plus there's nearly always a little
something of earthshine IR.
There's also a good surplus of UV abc, and otherwise loads of X-ray
and gamma saturation to contend with, not to mention the ongoing
collection of debris that has little of any atmosphere deflecting or
slowing any of it down before encountering that already crystal dry
and terribly dusty surface. Remember, there's nothing stopping our
Selene/moon environment from being just as bad or worse off than
within our GSO Van Allen badlands.
Ceres would certainly be a whole lot better, but no good for creating
the LSE-CM/ISS, or for accomplishing Earth science.
~ BG
BradGuth
Shouldn’t we have the right to know? (apparently not)
By the observationology science of looking at Mars, we know that that
21,000 tonnes of methane is vented and most likely lost to space
within a given amount of time. By way of using the same observing
science can also quantify exactly how much of Earth’s methane is made
available, as well as observing our build up of CO2 and of many other
elements, including helium and hydrogen that do not stick with Earth.
If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been obfuscating
and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely
terminate the whole lot as though they were nothing but worse than
another Muslim sleeper cell hiding WMD. In other words, we’d act
first and ask questions later, especially since the WMD cloud of
evidence by way of their actions isn’t all that hidden from modern
methods of easily detecting and quantifying such atmospheric elements.
(in other words, perhaps our recently failed OCO mission wasn’t such
an unavoidable accident after all)
As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) platform of global
observation and other science instruments could have been accomplished
for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it could have been
station keeping and telling us the whole body of naked truths about
Earth, instead of our being limited by the published mainstream
obfuscated infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts
of our public funded science they see fit to share.
Not so unexpected, it seems they’ve needed something to refocus or
divert public attention away from the ugly truths of Big Energy, and
the AGW fiasco as having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the
primary culprit has certainly been their best ticket to ride thus
far. Oddly, it seems Earth has been unexpectedly warming and losing a
great deal of its mass at the same rime, partially via natural causes
including our Selene/moon, and otherwise extensively due to the human
released gasses of methane, hydrogen and helium. The volumes and
subsequent megatonnage/year of methane for the most part doesn’t leave
our environment, however eventually the megatonnage/year of our helium
and hydrogen does.
We’ve been told and/or informed by those in charge that our planet is
always gaining mass. However, in spite of the local and cosmic influx
of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth has actually been losing a great deal of
mass, mostly by way of having lost its grip on our helium and
hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
heavily infomercial hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s nothing all
that clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using
coal, not to mention the atmospheric pollution of toxic elements you
wouldn’t dare breath yourself, plus surface and aquifer loads of
mostly fresh water consumptions and subsequent contamination of the
surrounding terrain and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
On the lighter side of elements, Earth’s atmosphere sustains an
average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts per volume or 0.00052%) that
continually migrates towards space along with hydrogen leading the
way, plus certain freons and perhaps even pulling some of our methane
along for the ride, that’s all helping to expand those O3 ozone holes
along the way. In other words, within any given minute or hour
there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium being made available from the interior and
surface of Earth, as otherwise our atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain
those background readings of 5.2 ppm, and at 1 bar this kinf of
saturation is worth a global volumetric 472e3 tonnes of helium per
vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s continually made
available on any given minute, hour or day after day (try to remember
that’s per vertical meter, whereas 1 km gives us 472e6 tonnes).
Methane w/helium:
Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
(avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing that
element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
released hydrogen and helium from oil wells, oily sands or coal
mining, so instead we have any number of mostly industry funded and a
few private research reports to pick from, none of which agree with
most any other report. Therefore, we get to use our loose cannon swag
of deductive interpretation in order to obtain rough estimates. Being
highly conservative, I have used 1% of the methane volume and 0.1% of
the extracted coal volume as a rough basis for estimating the extent
of helium released. However, as it turns out I’ve only been off by a
factor of 10<30 fold at having underestimated the methane and
subsequent helium per tonne, or especially per m3 of coal, because I
had no idea how much methane comes along with the process of
uncovering or extracting each tonne of coal.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
speculating global methane released from abandoned mines, is likely in
excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at the
very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg = 17.8e3
tonnes He/year from just our abandoned sites, and that estimate could
easily be conservative by a factor of 10.
http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM030.pdf
This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured and for the most part
utilized on site.
http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
“From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
air methane (VAM).”
In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (130e6 m3/
yr) plus whatever portion that’s helium is simply vented. At the
distributed energy equivalent value of 33<36e3 btu/m3 or 10.5 kwh/m3
@100% eff. (typical power generation efficiency at 39% = 4.1 kwhr/m3,
and top quality home/office/commercial heating can extract <96% eff),
guess these coal and methane energy supplying wizards never heard of
“waste not, want not”. Perhaps BHO needs to create a national methane
piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly as we have needed
to upgrade and expand our national electrical grid, because we’re
clearly wasting more energy than we actually need to use, and
otherwise needlessly venting helium.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
whereas the geologically stored element of helium is never consumed,
but instead the release of coal and methane sequestered helium is
greatly accelerated. With perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal
plus associated methane per year going up in smoke, so to speak,
there’s also a minimum of a million of tonnes worth of helium getting
released per year. This natural and artificial release of helium,
much like that continually released via natural gas, simply doesn’t
recombine or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not putting out or terminating those underground coal
fires has been a bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how utterly dynamitic and extensive
the natural outflux plus that of our artificial release of helium was,
and that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
helium. Is there a race with China to see who can release the most
helium?
If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
those Rothschilds and Big Energy cartels, I sure as hell would not
want to see any such Selene L1 platform of spectrometer objective
science instruments looking at Earth, and much less allowing general
media access to interpreting any of such publicly funded research that
would easily quantify as to how much of Earth is getting consumed by
natural and artificial fire, and otherwise polluting the upper most
atmosphere with additional helium and hydrogen that’s going away from
Earth at a fairly alarming rate, because we might then realized how
extensively screwed we are.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without having
created their fair share of internal or open combustion? (just
kidding, because there’s all sorts of perfectly renewable and/or
geothermal accomplished ways that’ll put most anything we have [short
of He3/fusion] to shame, and then some). Too bad we don’t have the
Michael Moroney
>Michael Moroney wrote:
>Dry sterile inorganic dirt pulverized to a fine deadly dust.
We know that, but that dry sterile dirt told us quite a bit about the moon
and the Earth as well.
>No thanks. I'll take Ceres, that way I can be as far away from you
>scientifically illiterate idiots as possible.
Since we have some 800+ pounds of moon rock/dust, and AFAIK nothing from
Ceres, if it were up to me to choose between getting more moon samples and
something from Ceres, I'd choose Ceres. Of course there'll always be a
scientist who'd state "If I only had a sample from <feature on the Moon>
I could verify/refute my Theory of whatever".
BradGuth
wrote:
You keep right on believing in the tooth fairy and your Zionist Nazi
wizard of Oz, about all of that NASA/Apollo right stuff that
supposedly recovered 800+ pounds of oddly somewhat terrestrial
obtained moon rock that likely came from our naked Selene/moon.
These days of advanced remote spectrum observationology that can be
independently peer replicated and interpreted to within +/-10% of one
another, including gamma deduced spectrometry and various radar
penetration and sufficient image resolution observationology, whereas
there's little need of getting those direct samples.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
>
> >>>> In other words, the last thing you and others of your kind want to
> >>>> discuss is Selene L1.
> >>> It isn't very interesting, after all. The moon's actual surface is much
> >>> more so.
>
> >> Dry sterile inorganic dirt pulverized to a fine deadly dust.
>
> > We know that, but that dry sterile dirt told us quite a bit about the moon
> > and the Earth as well.
>
>
> >> No thanks. I'll take Ceres, that way I can be as far away from you
> >> scientifically illiterate idiots as possible.
>
> > Since we have some 800+ pounds of moon rock/dust, and AFAIK nothing from
> > Ceres, if it were up to me to choose between getting more moon samples and
> > something from Ceres, I'd choose Ceres. Of course there'll always be a
> > scientist who'd state "If I only had a sample from <feature on the Moon>
> > I could verify/refute my Theory of whatever".
>
>
> Old stuff. We've all moved on to new stuff, sorry.
That old stuff of our physically dark Selene/moon is still and forever
contributing and/or demanding 2e20 N/sec of tidal radius force.
Besides the considerable outgassing of hydrogen and helium from Earth
that's perfectly natural as well as artificial, what besides our
trusty moon is thawing us out from the very last ice age this planet w/
moon is ever going to see?
What do you have against our utilizing Selene L1, for obtaining better
science?
BradGuth
> BradGuth wrote:
> > What do you have against our utilizing Selene L1, for obtaining better
> > science?
>
> around on the moon kicking up dust in the name of fun and exploration
> that I have a problem with. Near Earth space is filled with problematic
> rocks and other natural and human debris - the moon isn't one of them.
I agree, why bother with our absolutely crappy moon that's only
overloaded with any number of valuable minerals and rare elements such
as he3, when so much more science can be accommodated as well as far
more effectively, and at not 10% the cost of any one manned mission to/
from Selene, by way of our simply utilizing Selene L1 for all it's
worth.
btw, our Selene/moon would however come in real handy as our meteor/
asteroid pincushion, offering a final termination depository for those
pesky rocks that are otherwise trying to encounter Earth.
Michael Moroney
>You keep right on believing in the tooth fairy and your Zionist Nazi
>wizard of Oz, about all of that NASA/Apollo right stuff that
>supposedly recovered 800+ pounds of oddly somewhat terrestrial
>obtained moon rock that likely came from our naked Selene/moon.
And you keep right on listening to those voices in your head that keep
whispering bizarre conspiracy theories, bad physics (hint: 2E20N/s isn't
a unit of force for one), scatological fantasies and impossible/contradictary
imaginary creatures (like "Zionist Nazis". Do they tell you there's an
invisible green flying elephant hiding under that leaf, too?) to you.
>These days of advanced remote spectrum observationology that can be
>independently peer replicated and interpreted to within +/-10% of one
>another, including gamma deduced spectrometry and various radar
>penetration and sufficient image resolution observationology, whereas
>there's little need of getting those direct samples.
Might be a bit hard to do chemistry or particle size/shape analysis from
such a distance, for one. No worry. The 800+ pounds kept a lot of people
busy for quite some time.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> writes:
> >You keep right on believing in the tooth fairy and your Zionist Nazi
> >wizard of Oz, about all of that NASA/Apollo right stuff that
> >supposedly recovered 800+ pounds of oddly somewhat terrestrial
> >obtained moon rock that likely came from our naked Selene/moon.
>
> And you keep right on listening to those voices in your head that keep
> whispering bizarre conspiracy theories, bad physics (hint: 2E20N/s isn't
> a unit of force for one), scatological fantasies and impossible/contradictary
> imaginary creatures (like "Zionist Nazis". Do they tell you there's an
> invisible green flying elephant hiding under that leaf, too?) to you.
You can use whatever cotton candy or sperm keeps our grip on Selene,
as I'll stick with the only objective physics of 2e20 N, as
representing our mutual force of attraction that's pretty hard to
ignore.
>
> >These days of advanced remote spectrum observationology that can be
> >independently peer replicated and interpreted to within +/-10% of one
> >another, including gamma deduced spectrometry and various radar
> >penetration and sufficient image resolution observationology, whereas
> >there's little need of getting those direct samples.
>
> Might be a bit hard to do chemistry or particle size/shape analysis from
> such a distance, for one. No worry. The 800+ pounds kept a lot of people
> busy for quite some time.
Correct, it was the ultimate ruse/sting of the century, of civil
service and contracted job security on steroids. Our Zionist Nazi run
DARPA never had it so good, and obviously you 100% approved of
everything.
~ BG
BradGuth
within a given amount of time. By way of using the same observing
science can also quantify exactly how much of Earth’s methane is made
available, as well as observing our build up of CO2 and of many other
elements, including helium and hydrogen that do not stick with Earth.
If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been obfuscating
and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely
terminate the whole lot as though they were nothing but worse than
another Muslim sleeper cell hiding WMD. In other words, we’d act
first and ask questions later, especially since the WMD cloud of
evidence by way of their actions isn’t all that hidden from modern
methods of easily detecting and quantifying such atmospheric elements.
(in other words, perhaps our recently failed OCO mission wasn’t such
an unavoidable accident after all)
As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) platform of global
observation and other science instruments could have been accomplished
for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it could have been
station keeping and telling us the whole body of naked truths about
Earth, instead of our being limited by the published mainstream
obfuscated infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts
of our public funded science they see fit to share.
Not so unexpected, it seems they’ve needed something to refocus or
divert public attention away from the ugly truths of Big Energy, and
the AGW fiasco as having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the
primary culprit has certainly been their best ticket to ride thus
far. Oddly, it seems Earth has been unexpectedly warming and losing a
great deal of its mass at the same rime, partially via natural causes
including our Selene/moon, and otherwise extensively due to the human
released gasses of methane, hydrogen and helium. The volumes and
subsequent megatonnage/year of methane for the most part doesn’t leave
our environment, however eventually the megatonnage/year of our helium
and hydrogen does.
We’ve been told and/or informed by those in charge that our planet is
always gaining mass. However, in spite of the local and cosmic influx
of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth has actually been losing a great deal of
mass, mostly by way of having lost its grip on our helium and
hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
heavily infomercial hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s nothing all
that clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using
coal, not to mention the atmospheric pollution of toxic elements you
wouldn’t dare breath yourself, plus surface and aquifer loads of
mostly fresh water consumptions and subsequent contamination of the
surrounding terrain and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
On the lighter side of elements, Earth’s atmosphere sustains an
average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts per volume or 0.00052%) that
continually migrates towards space along with hydrogen leading the
way, plus certain freons and perhaps even pulling some of our methane
along for the ride, that’s all helping to expand those O3 ozone holes
along the way. In other words, within any given minute or hour
there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium being made available from the interior and
surface of Earth, as otherwise our atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain
those background readings of 5.2 ppm, and at 1 bar this kinf of
saturation is worth a global volumetric 472e3 tonnes of helium per
vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s continually made
available on any given minute, hour or day after day (try to remember
that’s per vertical meter, whereas 1 km gives us 472e6 tonnes).
Methane w/helium:
Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
(avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing that
element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
released hydrogen and helium from oil wells, oily sands or coal
mining, so instead we have any number of mostly industry funded and a
few private research reports to pick from, none of which agree with
most any other report. Therefore, we get to use our loose cannon swag
of deductive interpretation in order to obtain rough estimates. Being
highly conservative, I have used 1% of the methane volume and 0.1% of
the extracted coal volume as a rough basis for estimating the extent
of helium released. However, as it turns out I’ve only been off by a
factor of 10<30 fold at having underestimated the methane and
subsequent helium per tonne, or especially per m3 of coal, because I
had no idea how much methane comes along with the process of
uncovering or extracting each tonne of coal.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
speculating global methane released from abandoned mines, is likely in
excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at the
very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg = 17.8e3
tonnes He/year from just our abandoned sites, and that estimate could
easily be conservative by a factor of 10.
http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM030.pdf
This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured and for the most part
utilized on site.
http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
“From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
air methane (VAM).”
In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (130e6 m3/
yr) plus whatever portion that’s helium is simply vented. At the
distributed energy equivalent value of 33<36e3 btu/m3 or 10.5 kwh/m3
@100% eff. (typical power generation efficiency at 39% = 4.1 kwhr/m3,
and top quality home/office/commercial heating can extract <96% eff),
guess these coal and methane energy supplying wizards never heard of
“waste not, want not”. Perhaps BHO needs to create a national methane
piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly as we have needed
to upgrade and expand our national electrical grid, because we’re
clearly wasting more energy than we actually need to use, and
otherwise needlessly venting helium.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
whereas the geologically stored element of helium is never consumed,
but instead the release of coal and methane sequestered helium is
greatly accelerated. With perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal
plus associated methane per year going up in smoke, so to speak,
there’s also a minimum of a million of tonnes worth of helium getting
released per year. This natural and artificial release of helium,
much like that continually released via natural gas, simply doesn’t
recombine or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not putting out or terminating those underground coal
fires has been a bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how utterly dynamitic and extensive
the natural outflux plus that of our artificial release of helium was,
and that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
helium. Is there a race with China to see who can release the most
helium?
If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
those Rothschilds and Big Energy cartels, I sure as hell would not
want to see any such Selene L1 platform of spectrometer objective
science instruments looking at Earth, and much less allowing general
media access to interpreting any of such publicly funded research that
would easily quantify as to how much of Earth is getting consumed by
natural and artificial fire, and otherwise polluting the upper most
atmosphere with additional helium and hydrogen that’s going away from
Earth at a fairly alarming rate, because we might then realized how
extensively screwed we are.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus ever manage to get by without
having created their fair share of internal or open combustion? (just
kidding, because there’s all sorts of perfectly renewable and/or
geothermal accomplished ways that’ll put most anything we have [short
of He3/fusion] to shame, and then some). Too bad we don’t have the
cool Venus L2 as for accommodating our POOF City gateway home away
BradGuth
Is this corporate fear of allowing objectively truthworthy observation
of Earth, why we still do not have Selene L1?
Is Big Energy and their faith-based cabal pulling all the strings?
Look at their extended dysfunctional family of owing multiple
headquarters, multiple mansions, multiple yachts and fancy jets plus
fleets of other transportation and accommodations with special
benefits before you answer that question.
BradGuth
Coal is certainly much worse than any typical oil extraction process
for that of our environment and personal health, but you wouldn’t want
your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind miles of a
typical oil extraction field or major refinery. In some instances 100
miles might be a safe distance.
“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like to simply burn off in order to prevent
catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise incinerate most
everything in sight).
http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/country/nigeria/cases/case-documents/nigeria/report/section7
“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”
Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”
In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas combustion than
20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. They even attempt to restrict this
gauntlet down to the dull roar of “60,000 m3 per month for the pilots
of flares on installations at sea”. Most oil fields and especially
offshore directly utilize <33% of their vented methane in order to
produce a source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-
through whatever’s helium. Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can
contribute its 1% of <30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or
0.3 m3 helium per m3 of crude oil. That’s <30% helium per volume of
crude oil. In trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per
volume of crude as helium.
Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via the oil flare
gas combustion and coal industry ventilation of released toxins
including raw methane and of its helium would not have gone unnoticed
by our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that which rather
conveniently failed to get deployed. What we have got here is a
serious Big Energy butt load of motives, opportunities and the means
to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might give
the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.
Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish a platform of robotic/remote science within the
ideal location of Selene L1.
BradGuth
simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?
Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. In some
instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.
“The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
Administration”
http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/country/nigeria/cases/case-documents/nigeria/report/section7
“The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
incinerate most everything in sight).
“Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”
Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
“Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”
In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. They
even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
roar of “60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
installations at sea”. Most oil fields and especially offshore
directly utilize <33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
whatever’s helium. Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
its 1% of <30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
per m3 of crude oil. That’s <30% helium per volume of crude oil. In
trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
crude as helium.
Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. What we have got
here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
environment.
“The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
toxins.”
In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
resolution. In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. In the near
future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
contributed elements are coming from. In other words, a Big Energy
executive couldn’t fart without being detected.
If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
by all means don’t go to this next link.
CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFiling/ShowFile.do?DocNumber=5589092
336<472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
environment and quality of life we’re trashing. All we have to do is
adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.
Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. Too bad as of 4 decades ago
we didn’t establish our robust platform or gateway/outpost of
sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
Selene L1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
the contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
magnetosphere. Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
one another.
BradGuth
not)
By the observationology science of looking at Mars, we know that
<21,000 tonnes of methane is seasonally vented and most likely lost to
space within a given amount of time. By way of using the same
observationology science can also quantify exactly how much of Earth’s
methane is made available, as well as observing our build up of CO2
and any number of many other elements, including helium and hydrogen
that do not stick with Earth.
If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been obfuscating
and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely
terminate the whole lot as though they were nothing but worse than
another Muslim sleeper cell hiding WMD. In other words, we’d act
first and ask questions later, especially since the cloud of evidence
by way of their actions isn’t all that hidden from modern observation
methods of easily detecting and quantifying such atmospheric elements.
(in other words, perhaps our recently failed OCO mission wasn’t such
an unavoidable anomaly after all)
As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) platform of global
observation and other science instruments could have been accomplished
for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it could have been
station keeping and telling us the whole body of naked truths about
Earth, instead of our being limited by the published mainstream and
obfuscated infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what limited
parts of our public funded science they see fit to share, so that we
can’t be informed as to how much and from which sources are
contributing the most into our environment.
Not so unexpected, it seems Big Energy and those invested have needed
something to refocus or divert our public media attention away from
the ugly truths, whereas the AGW fiasco as having fingered freons and
then CO2 as being the primary culprit has certainly been their best
ticket to ride thus far. Oddly, it seems Earth has been unexpectedly
warming as of 11,711 years ago (long before artificial freon and CO2
were invented), and only as of lately losing a great deal of its mass
at the same rime, partially via natural causes including by holding
onto our Selene/moon, and otherwise extensively due to all of the
human released gasses of mostly methane, hydrogen and helium. The
volumes and subsequent megatonnage/year of terrestrial methane for the
most part recombines and doesn’t leave our environment, however
eventually the megatonnage/year of its helium and hydrogen does manage
to leave.
We’ve been told and/or informed by those in charge that our planet is
always gaining mass. However, in spite of the local and cosmic influx
of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth has actually been losing a great deal of
its mass, mostly by way of its insufficient tidal radius grip on our
helium and hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen
and helium comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream
promoted and heavily infomercial hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s
actually nothing all that clean or environmentally friendly about our
extracting and using coal, not to mention the obvious atmospheric
pollution of toxic elements you wouldn’t dare breath yourself, plus
surface and aquifer loads of mostly fresh water consumptions and
subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain and ground water
that’s downright mind boggling.
On the lighter side of such released elements, Earth’s atmosphere
sustains an average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts per volume or
0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along with freed
hydrogen leading the way, plus certain freons and perhaps even pulling
some of our methane along for the ride, that’s all helping to expand
those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, within any given
minute or hour there’s a volume of 26.5e8 m3 of helium being made
available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
ppm, and at 1 bar this kind of saturation is worth a global volumetric
472e3 tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added mass, that’s
continually made available on any given minute, hour or day after day
(try to remember that’s per vertical meter, whereas a km gives us
472e6 tonnes to work with).
Methane w/helium:
Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
(avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing that
element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
released hydrogen and helium from oil wells, oily sands, coal or
multiple other moning, so instead we have any number of mostly
industry funded and a few private research reports to pick from, none
of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, tossing out the
high and the low, we get to use our loose cannon swag of deductive
interpretation in order to obtain rough estimates as based upon
average of everything else. Being highly conservative, I have used 1%
of the methane volume and 0.1% of the extracted coal volume as a rough
basis for estimating the extent of helium released. However, as it
turns out I’ve only been off by a factor of 10<30 fold at having
underestimated the methane and subsequent helium per tonne, or
especially per m3 of coal, because I had no idea how much methane
comes along with the process of uncovering or extracting each tonne or
m3 of coal and oil.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
speculating global methane released from abandoned mines, is likely in
excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at the
very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg = 17.8e3
tonnes He/year from just those abandoned sites, and because of so much
having been exposed from deep within Earth, that estimate could easily
be conservative by a factor of 10.
http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM030.pdf
This next example of an active coal mining operation of extracting
<4e6 t/year of coal is worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, directly
venting <72 m3/minute of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less
than a third of the 30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured, and
for the most part utilized on site.
http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
“From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
air methane (VAM).”
In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (VAM) is
130e6 m3/yr, plus whatever portion that’s helium is simply vented. At
the distributed energy equivalent value of 33<36e3 btu/m3 or 10.5 kwh/
m3 @100% eff. (typical power generation efficiency at 39% = 4.1 kwhr/
m3, and top quality home/office/commercial heating can extract <96%
eff), means these coal and methane energy supplying wizards never
heard of “waste not, want not”. Perhaps BHO needs to create a
national methane piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly as
we have needed to upgrade and expand our national electrical grid,
because we’re clearly wasting as much or more energy than we actually
need to use, and otherwise needlessly venting helium.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
whereas the geologically stored element of helium is never consumed,
but instead the release of coal and methane sequestered helium is
greatly accelerated. With perhaps 250 million tonnes of global
underground coal fires plus associated methane per year going up in
smoke, so to speak, there’s a minimum of a million of tonnes worth of
helium getting released per year by this process alone. This natural
plus artificial release of helium, much like that continually released
via natural gas, simply doesn’t recombine or otherwise stick with the
mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not putting out or terminating those underground coal
fires has been a bad idea, and simply not a viable future option
unless 1000 ppm of CO2 isn’t a bother. Much worse if you’re situated
near or down wind of a natural pocket, underwater volume or geothermal
vent of CO2, that from time to time gets released and kills off most
of everything it surrounds.
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how utterly dynamitic and extensive
the natural outflux plus that of our artificial release of helium was,
and that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
helium via oil, coal and other mining. Another important
consideration is that it takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne
of synfuel, so that option of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t
exactly a viable solution unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and
mineral saturate our frail environment while rough quadrupling the
release of coal sequestered helium in order to supplement our
consumption of crude oil.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium (231 t) is released
per year from a typical coal mining operation, and throughout the
world there’s at least a thousand of such major underground mines
ongoing = 231e3 t of He/year, plus thousands more of surface mines,
and of course we don’t want to even discuss deaths directly related to
this global extraction, transporting, processing and consumption of
coal. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and ExxonMobil are not bragging about
who has contributed the most helium. Is there a secret DNR promoted
race with China to see who can release the most helium?
If I were the proper kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or
public funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the
likes of those Rothschilds and Big Energy cartels, I sure as hell
would not want to see any such OCO mission or the Selene L1 platform
of objective spectrometer science instruments looking at Earth, and
much less allowing general media access to interpreting any of such
publicly funded research that would easily identify and quantify as to
how much of Earth is getting consumed by natural and artificial fire,
and otherwise having been polluting our upper most atmosphere with
additional helium and hydrogen that’s going away from Earth at a
fairly alarming rate, because we might then realized how extensively
screwed we are.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus ever manage to get by without
having created their fair share of internal or open combustion? (just
kidding, because there’s all sorts of perfectly renewable and/or
geothermal accomplished ways that’ll put most anything we have [short
of He3/fusion] to shame, and then some). Too bad we don’t have the
cool Venus L2 as for accommodating our POOF City, as our
interplanetary gateway home away from home, perhaps for the same
insidious and/or obfuscated reasons we still don’t have Selene L1 at
our disposal for even robotic/remote obtained science.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
the unaccounted contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly
failing magnetosphere. Instead we keep wasting our valuable time,
resources and our hard earned loot on LEO limited observations that
seldom if ever agree with one another, in part because they simply can
not get the big picture from LEO, although a number of spendy GSOs
might have done the trick (except we’ve kind of run out of GSO parking
spaces), even though GSO isn’t exactly a science friendly environment
for the OCO kinds of instruments unless highly shielded.
BradGuth
> Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
> simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?
>
> Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
> Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
> process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
> wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
> miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. In some
> instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.
>
> “The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
> rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
> Administration”
From Selene L1, besides having the best ever in Earth and Selene/moon
remote science vantage point, plus all sorts of better astronomy and
TRACE-II along with the much easier discovery and tracking of
potential Earth threats, such as DD45 / K09D45D that should have been
accomplished, there's any number of other uses for this Selene L1
depot or Oasis/Gateway, not to mention my LSE-CM/ISS or at least
Clarke Station...
~ BG
BradGuth
Some if not the greater portion of our global warming is unavoidable
by way of volcanism and geothermal ventings, the vast majority of
which has been taking place underwater. Ever since the last ice age
it seems our terrestrial thermal activity has been increasing, as
though the reactive core of Earth hasn’t seen its last spurt of
growth.
In addition to an extremely slight rise per century in solar influx of
perhaps <0.1 w/m2 that amounts to merely 25.5e9 kw, whereas in order
to raise the ocean temperature by an average of 1°C per century would
require an extra continuous energy influx of 1.1e12 kw above whatever
we can say is the norm. For considering one fully interactive source
of such energy that’s keeping Earths’ core a little extra hot, our
Selene/moon demands a holding force of 2e20 N.m, and this interactive
force alone equals 55.5e12 kw if it were all converted into geothermal
energy. However, at 1% conversion via internal friction of this 2e20
N.m force into energy = 0.555e12 km, roughly half of the required
energy to raise the ocean temperature by 1°C/century and seems
perfectly conservative enough, because at 2% conversion this alone
more than covers the entire global warming package deal.
There is also the ongoing -.05%/year demise of our magnetosphere that
ties in rather nicely to what is geothermally manifesting, as though
the internal process that sustains our global magnetic field is
somehow indirectly contributing additional ocean hydrothermals and
volcanic activity that in turn unavoidably impacts our oceans, surface
and global environment as heat.
“Will Compasses Point South?” http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E3DD1E3BF930A25754C0A9629C8B63
Robert W. Felix, as author of “Not by Fire but by Ice” is not saying
that we humans haven’t contributed to the global warming trend, but
instead is looking at the greater geothermal picture, though without
his fully understanding exactly where and how mother Earth sustains or
much less increases her geothermal output is only somewhat misleading
or at least incomplete data in order to draw a fully informed opinion,
as to what is primarily driving our global thaw from the very last ice
age this planet w/moon is ever going to see. In other words, there’s
still a question as to where exactly other than the sun is Earths’
surface environment getting this extra dosage of energy, if not from
within and from our interactive tidal grip of our moon.
There is global warming from the inside out:
With more than 200,000 counted thus far, there could be “Three Million
Underwater Volcanoes” (venting superheated gasses, fluids and solids)
Researchers estimate that in total there could be about 3 million
submarine volcanoes, 39,000 of which rise more than 1000 meters over
the sea bed.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/Three_Million_Underwater_Volcanoes.htm
Besides underwater venting of geothermal superheated solids (including
S8) and new water, however this kind of activity is also venting a
great deal of CO2, SO2, CH4, Rn, He and H2.
Earths’ relatively thin-crust ocean floor and the underlying cache of
our georeactive core, as being further agitated along by the
interactive 2e20 N of tidal force that’s holding onto our Selene/moon,
plus always a solar tidal force, whereas this continuous interaction
along with our geo-reactor core is what subsequently produces the
average background of 64 TW in surplus/spare geothermal radiated
energy, along with our reactive core energy having been creating a
number of gasses and radioactive decay products, such as radon and
helium. (note: 64 TW was an amount based upon a square meter of
cleared test area that’s situated under a thick layer of Antarctica
ice as radiating at 125 mw, thus I am ignoring the million some odd
global hydrothermal vents or hot spots, and otherwise keeping in mind
that in sufficient thickness ice is actually performing as a good
thermal insulator)
In addition to our own artificial ocean heating that’s worth at least
something more than a few good terawatts, "a normal hydrothermal vent
might produce something like 500 megawatts - this is producing 100,000
megawatts. It's like an atom bomb down there.”
http://www.iceagenow.com/Megaplume.htm
If given a highly conservative speculation of 100 MW per each of one
million natural hydrothermal vents is worth 1e11 kw (100 TW).
However, without the likes of OCO and PFS global readings we’re kind
of brain dead and can’t be sure.
None the less, this brings a good portion of our human environmental
impact into a better perspective, as a contributing but somewhat minor
factor in our continued thaw from the very last ice age this planet w/
moon is ever going to see. The OCO mission would have rather easily
mapped those primary natural and artificial ventings of gasses in
sufficient resolution that would have removed most all doubt as to the
sources, volumes and objectively quantified affects. With some easily
validated interpolation as to the extent or volumes of helium released
could also have been established, along with a mission of PFS deep IR
penetration imaging would map every 0.1 km2 of Earth’s surface
(including the ocean floor at 1 km2 or better).
All of terrestrial venting or outgassing that includes solids, fluids
and various gasses can not help but include those two most lofty
elements of hydrogen and helium that eventually leave us for places
unknown. The heavier of gaseous elements (natural as well as
artificial) do however stick around to haunt us, and not always in a
positive or constructive way.
As I’ve stated before, along with some limited science interpretation
as having suggested that our human impact upon this global warming
trend could be as little as 10% of the overall picture, and otherwise
it’s certainly not more than 25%, of which is entirely different than
our much greater contribution on behalf of having physically polluted
and otherwise contaminating most of everything in sight. Until the
failed and/or intentionally foiled OCO mission is replaced, along with
a PFS or similar IR imager, we’ll not have sufficient global data to
draw upon, which is not to say that current information and the
regular laws of physics need be ignored or systematically excluded, as
is so often the case by those having a vested interest in Big Energy
that would pay nearly any amount to have such an openly objective
source of atmospheric, chemical and thermal data put off for as long
as possible, because obviously they do not want to held accountable.
In other words, the more withholding and/or obfuscating of science the
better chance Big Energy has at pulling out profits before the jig is
up, so to speak. Otherwise it’s also like a form of Ponzi geology,
whereas keeping the rest of us snookered and dumbfounded past the
point of no return has terrific benefits for those in charge that’ll
continue to make future generations pay for our actions or inactions.
In this method no one of the current generation is ever going to be
held accountable, or much less responsible. Therefore it is
imperative on behalf of Big Energy to subvert or foil whatever science
that’s capable of being all-inclusive and current enough to apply to
the situation at hand.
Is this why we still do not have Selene L1 ?
BradGuth
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1)
> platform of observation and other science instruments could have been
> accomplished for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it
> instead of our being limited by the published mainstream obfuscated
> infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts of our
> public funded science they see fit to share.
>
> Not so unexpected, they have needed something to refocus or divert
> public attention away from the ugly truths, and the AGW fiasco as
> having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary culprit has
>
> In spite of the local and cosmic influx of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth is
> losing a great deal of mass, mostly by way of losing its helium and
> hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
> comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
> clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using coal,
> consumptions and subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain
> and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
>
> per volume or 0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along
> pulling some of our methane tag along for the ride, that’s all helping
> to expand those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, on any
> given second, minute or hour there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium made
> available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
> atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
> tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s
> continually made available on any given minute, hour or day after day.
>
> Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
> element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
> 178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
>
> Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
> specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
> number of mostly industry funded research reports to pick from, none
> of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, we get to use
> our loose cannon swag of deductive interpretation in order to obtain
> methane and 0.1% of the extracted coal volume as a rough basis for
> estimating the extent of helium released. However, as it turns out
> the methane and subsequent helium per tonne or even per m3 of coal.
>
> Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
> subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
> in excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at
> the very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg =
> easily be conservative by a factor of 10.http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM...
>
> This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
> worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
> of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
> http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
> Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
> Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
> Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
> Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
> Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
> Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
> Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
>
> “From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
> 30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
> gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
> mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
> air methane (VAM).”
>
> value of 10 kwh/m3, guess these energy producing folks never heard of
> “waste not, want not”, and perhaps it sounds like BHO needs to create
> a national methane piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly
> we’re clearly wasting more energy than we use.
>
> Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
> http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
>
> http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
> When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
> exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
> spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
> CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
> underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
> the release of coal sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With
> perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal plus associated methane per
> year going up in smoke, so to speak, there’s also a good million
> tonnes or more worth of helium getting released per year. This
> or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
>
> bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
>
> Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
> natural flux plus that of our artificial release of helium was, and
> that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
> captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
> systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
> extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
> takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
> of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
> unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
> helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
>
> Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
> mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
> from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
> ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
> helium?
>
> If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
> funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
> any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
> and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
> funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
> getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
> going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
> Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without their
> fair share of internal or open combustion? (just kidding, because
> then some)
>
> ~ BG
Apparently, any view or subsequent science as could be easily obtained
from Selene/moon L1 or even via OCO, as to our having essential
knowledge about Earth is not a good thing, but on the other hand we
can never have too much knowledge about Mars or other godforsaken
planets and moons. Such as knowing our thermal imbalance, extent of
pollution and the ongoing loss in mass isn’t worth the trouble if
there’s any price or consequences to pay.
Some if not the greater portion of our global warming is unavoidable
by way of volcanism and geothermal ventings, the vast majority of
which has been taking place underwater. Ever since the last ice age
it seems our terrestrial thermal activity has been increasing, as
though the reactive core of Earth hasn’t seen its last spurt of
growth.
In addition to an extremely slight rise per century in solar influx of
perhaps <0.1 w/m2 that amounts to merely 25.5e9 kw, whereas in order
to raise the ocean temperature by an average of 1°C per century would
require an extra continuous energy influx of 1.1e12 kw above whatever
we can say is the norm. For considering one fully interactive source
of such energy that’s keeping Earths’ core a little extra hot, there’s
our Selene/moon which demands a holding force of 2e20 N.m, and this
interactive force alone equals 55.5e12 kw if it were all converted
into geothermal energy. However, at 1% conversion via internal
friction of this 2e20 N.m force into thermal energy = 0.555e12 kw,
roughly half of the required energy to raise the ocean temperature by
1°C/century, and 1% seems perfectly conservative enough, because at 2%
conversion is where this alone more than covers the entire global
warming package deal.
There is also the ongoing -.05%/year demise of our magnetosphere that
ties in rather nicely to what is geothermally manifesting, as though
the internal process that sustains our global magnetic field is
somehow indirectly contributing ocean hydrothermals and volcanic
activity that in turn unavoidably impacts our oceans, surface and
global environment as measurable heat.
If given a highly conservative speculation of 100 MW per each of a
million natural hydrothermal vents is worth 1e11 kw (100 TW).
However, without the likes of OCO and PFS global readings we’re kind
of brain dead and can’t be sure.
None the less, this brings a good portion of our human environmental
impact into a better perspective, as a contributing but somewhat minor
factor in our continued thaw from the very last ice age this planet w/
moon is ever going to see. The OCO mission would have rather easily
mapped those primary natural and artificial ventings of gasses in
sufficient resolution that would have removed most all doubt as to the
specific sources, volumes and objectively quantified affects. With
that’s capable of being all-inclusive and current enough to apply as
to the situation at hand.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
Why is our Selene/moon and of its L1 still so taboo/nondisclosure
rated?
Why is the natural and artificial outgassing of Earth's hydrogen and
helium still so taboo/nondisclosure rated?
~ BG
BradGuth
That's odd, with all the pro Big Energy expertise that Usenet
represents, suddenly they have nothing to say.
~ BG
Hagar
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:498a5345-4618-4c66...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 1:56 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
< snip more GuthBall inane babbling >
> That's odd, with all the pro Big Energy expertise that Usenet
> represents, suddenly they have nothing to say.
>
> ~ BG
That's because it is not considered polite to engage in a battle of
wits with an unarmed GuthBall.
However, mental midgets like you should be studied, for possible
redemption on a Special Olympics team.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'm armed with the regular laws of physics and the best available
science that can be objectively replicated, plus I always have my
battery of loose cannons.
Are you saying that Big Energy doesn't bother to send in their brown-
nosed clowns?
~ BG
BradGuth
I'm always armed with the regular laws of physics and the best
available science that can be objectively replicated, plus I always
have my battery of loose cannons when Zionist Nazi folks like yourself
keep showing up.
Are you saying that Big Energy doesn't bother to send in their brown-
nosed clowns (aka spooks and moles like rabbi Saul Levy)?
Are you saying our government(s) never makes mistakes or much less
having lied or obfuscated?
~ BG
BradGuth
tonnage of gas is not a good sign. However, Earth could be losing as
much or more tonnage in hydrogen and helium per day than Mars loses in
methane per year.
~ BG
> easily be conservative by a factor of 10.http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM...
> ...
>
> read more »
BradGuth
> Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
> simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?
>
> Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
> Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
> process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
> wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
> miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. In some
> instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.
>
> “The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
> rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
> Administration”
Helium from extracting and processing crude oil:
If we on average we used a conservative 500% per volume of oil as
methane vapor we’d be close enough (it’s actually much worse), and
using 1% of that methane as helium certainly wouldn’t be unheard of.
Thus 5% per given volume of oil is helium.
The all-inclusive global oil production (including spillage and
wastage) as of 2009-2010 is roughly 86.4e6 barrels/day = 3.15e10
barrels/yr (5e9 m3/yr), and if anything it’s actually somewhat greater
because the industry itself takes nearly 10% of its own product in
order to function (much worse yet for oily sand, not to mention
synfuel from coal), so we can safely make that volumetric accounting
5.5e9 m3/year.
5.5e9 x .05 = 2.75e8 m3 helium/yr
2.75e8 x .178 = 4.895e7 kg = 48,950 tonnes/yr is helium
BradGuth
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1)
> platform of observation and other science instruments could have been
> accomplished for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it
> instead of our being limited by the published mainstream obfuscated
> infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts of our
> public funded science they see fit to share.
>
> public attention away from the ugly truths, and the AGW fiasco as
> having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary culprit has
>
> In spite of the local and cosmic influx of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth is
> losing a great deal of mass, mostly by way of losing its helium and
> hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
> comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
> clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using coal,
> consumptions and subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain
> and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
>
> per volume or 0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along
> with hydrogen leading the way, plus certain freons and perhaps even
> to expand those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, on any
> given second, minute or hour there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium made
> available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
> atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
> tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s
>
> Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
> element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
> 178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
>
> Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
> specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
> number of mostly industry funded research reports to pick from, none
> of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, we get to use
> our loose cannon swag of deductive interpretation in order to obtain
> rough estimates. Being highly conservative, I have used 1% of the
> estimating the extent of helium released. However, as it turns out
>
> Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
> subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
> in excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at
> the very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg =
> easily be conservative by a factor of 10.http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM...
>
> This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
> worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
> of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
> http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
> Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
> Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
> Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
> Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
> Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
> Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
> Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
>
> “From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
> 30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
> gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
> mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
> air methane (VAM).”
>
> In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (130e6 m3/
> value of 10 kwh/m3, guess these energy producing folks never heard of
> a national methane piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly
> we’re clearly wasting more energy than we use.
>
> Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
> http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
>
> http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
> When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
> exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
> spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
> CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
> underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
> the release of coal sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With
> perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal plus associated methane per
> helium, like that released via natural gas, simply doesn’t recombine
> or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
>
> bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
>
> natural flux plus that of our artificial release of helium was, and
> that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
> captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
> systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
> extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
> helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
> takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
> of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
> unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
> frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
> helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
>
> Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
> mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
> volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
> from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
> ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
> helium?
>
> If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
> funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
> those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell would not want to see
> any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
> and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
> funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
> getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
> polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen that’s
> going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
> Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without their
> fair share of internal or open combustion? (just kidding, because
> there’s all sorts of ways that’s put anything we have to shame, and
> then some)
>
> ~ BG
One fairly obvious secondary source of helium (to that of natural
gas), that’s artificially released is via the whole petrochemical
thing. On a global basis, it seems we dispose of or burn off nearly
as much natural gas than regular energy consumers actually use.
Helium from extracting and processing crude oil (aka flare gas burnoff
or just venting of crude methane):
If we on average we used a conservative 500% per volume of oil as
methane vapor we’d be close enough (it’s actually much worse), and
using 1% of that methane as helium certainly wouldn’t be unheard of.
Thus 5% per given volume of extracted oil is helium.
BradGuth
> On Feb 28, 3:00 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
> wrote:
>
> > BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >In other words, the last thing you and others of your kind want to
> > >discuss is Selene L1.
>
> > It isn't very interesting, after all. The moon's actual surface is much
> > more so.
>
>
> You can't safely accomplish good astronomy or most other forms of
> Earth related science from the physically dark surface of our naked
> and unavoidably electrostatic charged and otherwise reactive moon. As
> far as anyone objectively knows, there's still no such thing as any
> fly-by-rocket lander, but we can manage with 1968 era technology to
> adequately park and interactively sustain most any amount of volume
> and tonnage of our "right stuff" within Selene L1.
>
> ~ BG
Selene L1 is actually by far the most energy efficient application of
an off-world Gateway/Oasis, perhaps second only to Venus L2.
Earth L2 has its uses for science and astronomy, although kind of
useless for any sort of human space travel benefits. Earth L1 is only
most viable for the relocation and parking of our Selene/moon in order
to fend off some of the solar energy from reaching Earth, but then
we'd still have the Selene L1 that's favorably situated between the
two of us.
~ BG
BradGuth
Perhaps it’s a good thing that fossil derived energy and its
unavoidable consequences is not necessary on Venus. However, our Eden
has become highly dependent or rather addicted to the stuff regardless
of the mostly negative consequences.
One fairly obvious secondary source of helium (to that from natural
gas) that’s artificially released is via the whole petrochemical
thing. On a global basis, it seems we dispose of and/or they consume
and otherwise burn off nearly as much natural gas than regular energy
end-use consumers actually use, and it unavoidably polluting high and
low in more invisible ways than most of us would care to know.
Helium from extracting and processing crude oil (aka flare gas burnoff
or just raw venting of crude methane):
If on average we used a conservative 500% per volume of oil as methane
vapor we’d be close enough (it’s actually much worse, <30 m3/m3), and
using 1% of that methane as helium certainly wouldn’t be unheard of.
Thus 5% per given volume of extracted oil is helium.
The all-inclusive global oil production (including spillage and
wastage) as of 2009-2010 is roughly 86.4e6 barrels/day = 3.15e10
barrels/yr (5e9 m3/yr), and if anything it’s actually somewhat greater
because the industry itself takes at least 10% of its own product in
order to function (an EROEI ratio of 4:1 or 25% is perhaps more
typical, and much worse yet for oily sand whereas the NEG>0,
especially ineffective whenever the global spot market drops below $45/
barrel, not to mention synfuel from coal), so for this effort we can
safely take this volumetric extraction of oil accounting to at least
5.5e9 m3/year.
5.5e9 x .05 = 2.75e8 m3 helium/yr
2.75e8 x .178 = 4.895e7 kg = 48,950 tonnes/yr as helium.
I believe that’s taking about all the natural production of Earth’s
helium/year, if not exceeding the internal makings via radioactive
decay, and remember this helium release is just from our oil
extraction process, and the industry consumption of its raw natural
gas simply does not consume the element of helium. In some instances
the surplus of this raw natural gas is for the moment getting pumped
back into the ground, through also requiring considerable process
energy in of itself. Oil extraction and process data w/o obfuscation
is next to impossible to come by, therefore you can bet your bottom
dollar that it’s actually much worse off than we can imagine, and the
failed or perhaps foiled OCO mission would have easily quantified such
data with sufficient resolution as to pinpoint each and every natural
and artificial source of released and/or consumed gas.
Give or take e few numbers here and their, as to the all-inclusive oil
extraction and processing that often utilizes other sources of natural
gas, could easily push their volumetric release of helium upwards of
100,000 tonnes per hear, not to mention whatever mother nature
releases, or the volumetric worth of the global natural gas industries
that do nothing but extract and distribute their methane laced with
helium.
BradGuth
moon is ever going to see. Most of this process (at least 75% and
perhaps <90%) is perfectly natural considering the interpretation that
we’ve only somewhat recently obtained our Selene/moon, and the obvious
matter of the geological evolution on behalf of any similar planet
having two primary gravitational tidal issues along with our failing
geomagnetic force that’s becoming insufficient for sustaining our
protective magnetosphere.
With our planet loosing primarily its helium and some hydrogen <1000
kg/sec or roughly 30e6 tonnes/year may seem a bit exaggerated,
although at times of major geological eruptions and geothermal out
gassing (the vast majority of which is underwater), when combined
along with our multiple commercial means of extracting coal, oil,
natural gas and quite a number of lesser contributors of releasing
helium and hydrogen, is perhaps not too far off the mark.
Thankfully we’re still receiving 50e3 to 500e3 tonnes per year of
local and cosmic dust along with our fair share of meteors. However,
at best that’s merely 0.5 million tonnes/year, and some of that is in
unavoidably the form of hydrogen and even helium that simply does not
stick around. None of our helium or that of whatever gets imported
ever combines with anything that’ll ever stay with the all-inclusive
mass of Earth.
In the media as well as these Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups),
it’s like this artificially and otherwise naturally released tonnage
of helium per year along with our failing geomagnetic force is no big
deal, so instead lets all focus on the CO2 that’s too heavy to be
going anywhere. JAXA is recently giving it a go: http://www.eorc.jaxa.jp/en/index.html
The polluted element of CO2 is after all a darn good indicator, though
not in of itself a cause of GW. Perhaps it’s a good thing that fossil
derived energy and its unavoidable consequences is not necessary on
the geothermally driven environment of Venus. However, our unusually
wet and icy Eden has within the last thousand years become highly
dependent or rather addicted to the stuff, regardless of the mostly
negative and/or acidic consequences of the sooty wet CO2 and sooty wet
NOx within our lower atmosphere and surface environment, whereas the
substantial thinning of our protective upper most dry atmosphere has
only recently been given loads of extra H2 and He.
One fairly obvious secondary source of helium (to that derived from
natural gas) that’s artificially released, is via the whole
petrochemical thing that’s creating essentially a one-way helium
ticket to ride. On a global basis, it seems we dispose of and/or the
industry consumes and otherwise burns off nearly as much natural gas
than regular end-use energy consumers actually use, and as such it is
unavoidably polluting high and low in more invisible ways than most of
us would care to realize, especially since all of the methane
containing toxic elements plus helium never manages to actually
consume or otherwise recombine any of the helium.
Helium from extracting and processing crude oil (aka flare gas burnoff
or just raw venting of crude methane):
If on average we used a highly conservative 500% per volume of oil
as methane vapor we’d be close enough (it’s actually much worse, <30
m3/m3 for coal and oil extraction), and by using 1% of that methane as
helium certainly wouldn’t be unheard of. Thus I’ll suggest for this
limited analogy that we use a round number of 5% per given volume of
extracted oil is helium.
The all-inclusive global oil production (including spillage and
wastage) as of 2009-2010 is roughly 86.4e6 barrels/day = 3.15e10
barrels/yr (5e9 m3/yr), and if anything it’s actually somewhat greater
because the industry itself takes at least 10% of its own product in
order to function (an EROEI ratio of 4:1 or 25% is perhaps more
typical, and it gets much worse yet for oily sand whereas the Net
Energy Gain of zero (NEG>0), as well as being especially cost
ineffective whenever the global spot market for crude oil drops below
$45/barrel, not to mention the process of synfuel from coal), so for
this conservative analogy effort we can safely take this volumetric
extraction of oil accounting to at least 5.5e9 m3/year.
5.5e9 x .05 = 2.75e8 m3 helium/yr
2.75e8 x .178 = 4.895e7 kg = 48,950 tonnes/yr as helium.
I believe that’s taking just about all the natural production of
Earth’s helium/year, if not exceeding the internal makings via
radioactive decay, and remember this artificial helium release is just
from our oil extraction process, including the oil industry
consumption of its raw natural gas that simply does not consume or
recombine that element of helium. In some instances the surplus of
this raw natural gas is for the moment getting pumped back into the
ground, through also requiring considerable process energy demand in
of itself. Oil extraction and process data w/o obfuscation is next to
impossible to come by, therefore you can bet your bottom dollar that
it’s actually much worse off than we can imagine, and the failed or
perhaps foiled OCO mission would have easily quantified such data
independently, with sufficient resolution as to pinpoint each and
every natural and artificial source of released and/or consumed gas.
Give or take e few numbers here and there, as to the all-inclusive oil
extraction and processing that often utilizes other commercial sources
of natural gas, could easily push their volumetric release of helium
upwards of 100,000 tonnes per year, not to mention whatever mother
nature releases, or the volumetric worth of our global coal that
directly vents, and of the global natural gas industries that do
nothing but extract and distribute their methane laced with the
element of helium, that only goes up up and away.
Even though we can’t see it, smell it or touch it, it’s still the one
of a kind mass that’s primarily derived from within Earth via
radioactive decay, and lo and behold once released its forever going
away from us. Remember, this report is just focused upon what’s
conservatively related to crude oil extraction, and not of our natural
gas which is unavoidably laced with helium, and there’s other
significant sources including coal, multiple other mining operations
and deep water extraction that’s also continually adding to mother
nature’s flatulence. Basically Eden/Earth has been hemorrhaging its
precious helium, and having only been expedited by humanity, that
which for the most part this helium doesn’t recombine with anything.
I’m sure that others here will have to side with Big Energy, employing
their usual failsafe obfuscation and denial as though the regular laws
of physics and best available science simply doesn’t apply to them,
and perhaps it doesn’t because supposedly most bad or even
questionable things are the fault of Muslims. (if you don’t get the
jest of that satire, don’t worry because most others don’t either)
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
On Feb 27, 7:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> the whole lot as though they were nothing but another Muslim sleeper
> cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1)
> platform of observation and other science instruments could have been
> accomplished for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it
> could have been telling us the whole body of naked truths about Earth,
> instead of our being limited by the published mainstream obfuscated
> infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what limited parts of our
> ~ BG
BradGuth
and artificial pollution and quantifying our global loss in mass per
year isn’t worth the trouble if there’s any Big Energy price or
consequences to pay. Apparently, any objectively scientific founded
notions or subsequent improved science interpretations as could have
been easily obtained from a Selene/moon L1 platform of instruments, or
even via OCO, as to our having essential knowledge about Earth is not
other hand we can never have too much knowledge about Mars or most any
other godforsaken planets and moons (apparently the cost and time be
damned).
Some if not the greater portion of our global warming trend is
unavoidable by way of volcanism and geothermal ventings, whereas the
vast majority of which has been taking place underwater is by far
exceeding all of our human contributions. Ever since the last ice age
it seems our terrestrial internal thermal activity has been
increasing, as though the reactive core of Earth hasn’t seen its last
spurt of growth.
In addition to an extremely slight rise per century in solar influx of
perhaps <0.1 w/m2 that amounts to merely 25.5e9 kw, whereas in order
to raise the ocean temperature by an average of 1°C per century would
require an extra continuous energy influx of 1.1e12 kw above whatever
can be said is the global background norm. For considering one fully
interactive source of such energy that’s keeping Earth’s core on the
move and a little extra hot, there’s always our Selene/moon which
demands a radial holding force of 2e20 N.m, and this interactive force
alone equals 55.5e12 kw if it were all converted into geothermal
energy. However, at 1% conversion via internal friction caused by
this 2e20 N.m force into thermal energy = 0.555e12 kw, roughly half of
the required energy to raise the ocean temperature by 1°C/century, and
1% seems perfectly conservative enough, because at 2% conversion is
where this alone more than covers the entire global warming package
deal.
There is also the ongoing -.05%/year demise of our geomagnetic force
that sustains our protective magnetosphere, and ties in rather nicely
to what is geothermally manifesting as though the internal process
that sustains our global magnetic force field is somehow indirectly
contributing ocean hydrothermals and volcanic activity that in turn
unavoidably impacts the thermal balance of our oceans, surface and
global environment as measurable heat. My observationology includes
NOAA, USGS and a number of other public and private funded
authorities, whereas this ongoing demise in our geomagnetic force and
subsequent magnetosphere is actually somewhat worse off than I’d
thought.
“Will Compasses Point South?” http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E3DD1E3BF930A25754C0A9629C8B63
Robert W. Felix, as author of “Not by Fire but by Ice” is yet another
honest investigative soul that’s not saying we humans haven’t
contributed to the global warming trend, but instead looking at the
greater geothermal picture, though without his fully understanding
exactly where and how mother Earth sustains or much less increases her
geothermal output is only somewhat misleading or at least incomplete
data in order to draw a fully informed opinion, as to what is
primarily driving our global thaw from the very last ice age this
planet w/moon is ever going to see. In other words, there’s still an
ongoing question as to where exactly other than the sun is our surface
environment getting the bulk of this extra energy dosage, if not from
within and from our unusually nearby interactive tidal grip of our
moon.
There’s always global warming from the inside out:
With more than 200,000 counted thus far, there could be “Three
Million Underwater Volcanoes” (venting superheated gasses, fluids and
solids)
Researchers estimate that in total there could be about 3 million
submarine volcanoes, 39,000 of which rise more than 1000 meters over
the sea bed.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/Three_Million_Underwater_Volcanoes.htm
Besides underwater venting of geothermal superheated fluids and solids
(including S8) and new water, whereas this kind of internal activity
is also venting a great deal of CO2, SO2, CH4, Rn, He and H2.
Earths’ relatively thin-crust ocean floor and the underlying cache of
our georeactive mantel and its core, as being further agitated along
by the interactive 2e20 N of tidal force that’s holding onto our
Selene/moon, plus there’s always a solar tidal force, whereas this
continuous interaction that flexes Earth’s surface by 55 cm, along
with our geo-reactor core is what subsequently produces the average
background of 64 TW in surplus/spare geothermal radiated energy, along
with our reactive core of energy having been creating a number of
gasses and radioactive decay products, such as radon and helium.
(note: 64 TW was an amount based upon a square meter of cleared test
area that’s situated under a surrounding thick layer of Antarctica
ice, as bedrock radiating at 125 mw/m2, thus I am ignoring or
excluding those million some odd global hydrothermal vents or hot
spots, and otherwise keeping in mind that in sufficient thickness of
all that surrounding ice is actually performing as a good thermal
insulator by which those exposed bedrock thermal measurements become
more normalized)
In addition to our own commercial methods of artificial environment
heating that’s worth at least something a little more than a good
hundred some odd terawatts, "a normal hydrothermal vent might produce
something like 500 megawatts - this is producing 100,000 megawatts.
It's like an atom bomb down there.”
http://www.iceagenow.com/Megaplume.htm
If given a highly conservative speculation of merely 100 MW per each
of a million natural hydrothermal vents is worth 1e11 kw (100 TW).
However, without the likes of our OCO and PFS global readings we’re
kind of brain dead, and therefore we can’t be sure.
None the less, this limited knowledge brings a good portion of our
human environmental impact into a better perspective, as a
contributing but somewhat minor factor in our continued thaw from the
very last ice age this planet w/moon is ever going to see. The
recently failed OCO mission would have rather easily mapped those
primary natural and artificial ventings of gasses in sufficient
resolution that would have removed most all doubt as to the specific
sources, their volumes and objectively quantified affects. With some
easily validated interpolation as to the extent or volumes of helium
released could also have been established, along with a mission of PFS
giving deep IR penetration imaging would map every 0.1 km2 of Earth’s
surface (including the ocean floor at 1 km2 or better).
All of terrestrial venting or outgassing that includes solids, fluids
and various gasses can not but help include those two most lofty
elements of hydrogen and helium that eventually leave us for places
unknown, whereas some of the H2 recombines and returns to our surface
environment as rain, and except for helium the heavier of gaseous
elements (natural as well as artificial) do however stick around to
haunt us, and not always in a positive or constructive way.
As I’ve stated before, along with some limited science interpretation
as having suggested that our human impact upon this global warming
trend could be as little as 10% of the overall picture, and otherwise
it’s certainly not more than 25%, of which is entirely different than
our much greater contribution on behalf of having physically polluted
and otherwise measurably contaminating most of everything in sight.
Until the failed and/or intentionally foiled OCO mission is replaced,
along with a PFS or similar IR spectrometry imager, we’ll not have
sufficient global data to draw upon, which is not to say that current
information and the regular laws of physics need be ignored or
systematically excluded, as is so often the case by those having their
vested interest in Big Energy that would pay nearly any amount to have
such an openly objective source of atmospheric, chemical and thermal
data put off for as long as possible, because obviously the current
generation simply do not want to held accountable.
In other words, the more withholding and/or obfuscating of science the
better chance Big Energy has at pulling out profits before the jig is
up, so to speak. Otherwise it’s also like a form of Ponzi geology and
the environmental golden nest egg for continued public funded research
grants, whereas keeping the rest of us snookered and dumbfounded past
the point of no return is what offers terrific benefits for those in
charge that’ll continue to make future generations pay for our actions
or inactions. In this method no one of the current generation is ever
going to be held accountable, or much less responsible, and therefore
it is imperative on behalf of Big Energy to subvert or foil whatever
science that’s capable of being all-inclusive and current or real time
enough to apply as to the situation at hand.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec ?
Here’s a somewhat better researched and a little context improved
version.
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3
We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of sodium, methane,
hydrogen and helium for the likes of other moons and planets
(including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html
At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain the average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg outflow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain the average
0.55 ppmv. The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth?
The question is, is our 0.55 ppmv of hydrogen escapement worth merely
25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr, or is it ever as great as 25e6 kg
per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?
If the H2 loss isn’t impressive enough, now we need to focus on our
volumetric worth of atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volumetric saturation, and this He element having roughly twice the
mass of H2.
Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its published
observationology given a nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow and
reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium and
hydrogen. However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail of
H2 and He is what seriously needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from the naked
surface of our Selene/moon or best from the more ideal vacuum of the
Selene/moon L1, that which oddly after all these decades we still do
not have to work with.
Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
The badly failing geomagnetic field and subsequent magnetosphere has
been capable of restraining or mildly sequestering some of Earth's
hydrogen and helium by way of having been protecting our upper most
atmosphere, but unfortunately for the past 12000 years this too has
been going away (most recently at -.05%/year or <–120 nT/yr), is
perhaps as good of reason as any why that lofty cloud of hydrogen and
helium isn't sticking around, and why the lethal SAA contour has been
exponentially growing and nearing the surface. On the other hand,
would anyone care to suggest what could happen if such terrestrial
hydrogen and helium didn’t get blown away?
http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magnetic-field-failing-us
http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.com/category/geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and their usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of their Big Eneregy resident army of Usenet/newsgroup
wizards and brown-nosed clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are
not paying this topic serious attention, or having allowed any outside
context of consideration as to the greater worth or consequences of
our badly failing geomagnetic force and of its subsequent fading
magnetosphere. It’s as though our best physics and/or objective
science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly interpreted by
those of Big Energy in charge of sustaining their mainstream status
quo. In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable cabal
of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science has been
the worth of used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched,
failed or foiled missions are not to be taken all that seriously, if
at all.
I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene/moon L1 platform of science instruments easily established
as of 4 decades ago, including by now a 10x TRACE-II, plus an array of
UV and IR imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and as
equally at our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other
elements at an alarming rate. However, without our having such a
nifty viewing perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly
impossible to interpret whatever's going on without our having to
connect many terrestrial and LEO obtained dots, so to speak.
Btw, the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite mindset of what we’ve typically heard from most others,
insisting that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead
we’ve been systematically informed that our Eden/Earth supposedly
gains several thousand tonnes per year, as what most others and myself
used to believe. However, I was clearly the first contributor within
this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to insist that our moon and Earth
have each been losing a great deal of mass, and implying that the
modern day human race has in fact been artificially assisting in this
mostly natural process.
Perhaps this personal deductive analogy can also explain as to why ETs
would ever bother going to all the trouble of extracting minerals and
raw exotic elements from an exoplanet or its moon, such as our dire
needs of extracting He3 and a number of other elements from our Selene/
moon, or as to otherwise why having any appreciation as to that of
whomever is taking substances of value away from the planet Venus.
BradGuth
100 bar worth of primal atmosphere to work with, and was obviously at
that time losing little of its original hydrogen and helium due to the
passive solar wind and because our geomagnetic force and subsequent
magnetosphere was at least ten fold stronger, plus our sun at that
early time was relatively passive, as not likely delivering more than
half or even a quarter the average solar wind with few if any halo
CMEs.
A loss of 99 bar worth of this robust atmosphere (5.1e20 kg worth) is
actually suggesting quite a bit of our global bulk in mass reduction,
especially considering those early meteor and comet arrivals of <10e9
kg/yr that extensively vaporized into becoming additional atmosphere,
water and minerals, along with the terrestrial/natural outgassing of
many atmospheric elements including impressive amounts of raw hydrogen
and helium that tend to uncontrollably rise (helium recombining with
nothing), plus all the recent artificial contributions by way of
humanity and our mass consumptions of various natural and synthetic
hydrocarbons as having created another million tonnes per year of
potentially toxic CFCs, HFCs and HCFCs that should have been replaced
by way of simply using good old CO2, though even CH4 (methane) would
have always been a better alternative to artificial CFCs and HCFCs,
but that kind of common sense would have destroyed those wealthy
petrochemical and synthetic chemical empires of Union Carbide and
DuPont. Seems the general public’s lack of physics and science
education has been a perpetual godsend kind of commercial treasure
trove, of vast loot for the Rothschilds.
If Earth had been capably holding onto its atmosphere (including its
lofty H2 and He), whereas instead of our having lost 5.1e20 kg to
start with and perhaps like a immature gas giant we’d still be gaining
atmospheric mass. Lucky for us that hasn’t been the case, though not
to say that a gas giant with a substantial solid core (16+ Me) like
that of our Jupiter couldn’t coexist at 1 AU, along with any number of
goldilocks sustaining moons.
As of lately our lower (6 km) half of atmospheric mass has been rather
nicely polluted, warming and thereby increasing its density by way of
holding more water vapor along with our sooty saturations of toxic CO2
and NOx, while the upper atmospheric density has been gradually
decreasing or thinning by having received a greater percentage of
methane topped off by natural and artificial freons plus loads of good
old He and H2 that our gravity and weakening magnetosphere simply can
not forever hold onto.
Earth currently receives an average of as little as 1 kg/sec, but
otherwise perhaps at times as much as 10 kg/sec of space dust and
assorted meteorites and a few asteroid encounters. However, from my
recent interpretation, Eden is at the same time along with our human
enterprising persistence why we're most likely losing at least 300 kg/
s (9.5e6 tonnes/year) of our hydrogen and helium, and even if it were
as little as a tenth that amount is still an impressive million tonnes/
year loss in mass.
In running the numbers of what we annually extract and attempt to
utilize of our terrestrial coal, oil and natural gasses there's simply
no viable contest, whereas Earth has been losing considerable mass,
and by some basic accounting this kind of loss can become easily worth
losing as great as a tonne/sec if you'd care to honestly include the
natural and human derived forms of hydrogen and helium getting
released, of which has to include that which is mostly vented and/or
wasted from all of our fossil energy and many ongoing artificial and
industrial forms of having created and subsequently released such
lofty gasses as hydrogen and helium. Perhaps that’s the best kind of
reason why we do not have the whole-Earth science coverage from Selene
L1, because it would only become too much public bad news for Big
Energy and our industrial chemical empires to deal with.
Our badly failing geomagnetic field is not exactly helping, and yet
with all the best of intentions there is still no official accounting
of Earth’s mass reduction that we can objectively agree upon, which
only leads to our using out best swags and deductive speculations
because so much of our basic public funded science is either need-to-
know encrypted, kept taboo/nondisclosure rated and/or having been
systematically overlooked and otherwise obfuscated to death, or simply
lost along the way because otherwise, it would sort of make ‘Big
Energy’ and other Big Money look even worse than it already is.
Science obfuscation = lying by way of omission
Physics obfuscation = worse than lying by omission
Ponzi Physics = perpetual job and benefit security as priority No.1
It’s not just about Earth, whereas the public accessible science
pertaining to our unusually massive and nearby Selene/moon and also
the planet Venus are each examples loaded with such mainstream
obfuscation, and otherwise Mars is just an infomercial game of
perpetual hype and loads of mostly inert eye-candy.
On the other hand, what doesn’t our disingenuous government and of
it’s many faith-based dominated agencies of mostly the devout pretend
Atheists cabal or Mafia kind, that in their perpetual denial tend to
obfuscate as policy in order to protect thy public funded job
security, thy nifty golden nest egg benefits and their precious
retirements at public expense?
Clearly the Pope on multiple occasions throughout history has
obfuscated his holy butt off, and Zionists just can’t seem to keep
from obfuscating as long as it’s only taking advantage of others or
capably false flag blaming of others. On the other hand, you can
believe it was always those physics and science smart Atheists or
Muslims as having supposedly gotten us safely to/from our moon, and
otherwise believe it was only these smart Atheists and Muslims as
having helped Hitler achieve so much global domination from so little,
if that’s what makes you a happy camper.
The public funded and Stanford University executed GP-B experiment was
every bit as good as any obfuscation on steroids, and their perpetual
denial of being in denial is every bit as disingenuous. Perhaps there
is some kind of public mainstream policy or tradition of systematic
obfuscation? (apparently there is, especially if our SEC approved
Ponzi Madoff and more than half our banking, investment and mortgage
infrastructure is any example)
Outside of our having to pretend at being politically correct and
always having to be faith-based passive or neutral, what I’d like to
know for the pure sake of knowledge is exactly (+/-10%) how much
tonnage per second or per year our planet is typically losing (mostly
in hydrogen and helium), in much the same way that exoplanets of
viable habitats for life have been recently identified by way of their
loss of such EUV detected elements as hydrogen and helium. In the
case of Earth, an average vertical escape velocity of helium migration
or vertical propagation of merely 2 to 4 m/s seems likely, except
there’s much the same devoid of objective data as with raw ice
coexisting within 1 AU space, along with still no objective science on
behalf of the volumes of our H2 and He escapement or loss to go by.
As far as I can tell, there’s no actual political or faith-based need
of their mainstream policy imposing such conditional physics or the
hocus-pocus infowar tactics of science hype and obfuscation, but then
I certainly could be wrong.
~ BG
BradGuth
leaving Earth isn’t hardly in question, so much as it’s the given
amount of the ongoing mass loss per second or per year that can be
subjectively argued fairly extensively, especially since we still have
not established the Selene/moon L1 science platform on behalf of whole
Earth, solar and moon observations that could have told us nearly
everything we needed to know as of 4 decades ago.
Maxwell Boltzmann
http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/energy/Companion/E07.4.pdf.xpdf
“Hydrogen and helium have a mean speed that is a significant fraction
of the escape speed. For this reason, there is almost no hydrogen or
helium in Earth’s present atmosphere.” (considering the vast volume of
our atmosphere, there’s actually quite an extensive tonnage that gets
maintained and/or replenished in spite of such lofty elements as H2
and He that tend to forever rise, becoming heated and continually
escape Earth’s gravity)
As our geomagnetic field proceeds to fade away at -.05%/year
(signaling yet another magnetic pole reversal) and subsequently our
protective magnetosphere fails us for yet another extended period of
time, allowing the SAA contour to expand and deepen, as the average
400 km/s solar wind along with halo CMEs of 800<1600 km/s reaches ever
deeper into the upper atmosphere, whereas subsequently our natural and
artificially introduced volumes of hydrogen and helium gets solar and
even somewhat via Selene/moon superheated and thereby easily
accelerated above 11.2 km/s (affording enough solar wind enhanced
velocity to easily escape Earth).
As a direct result, Earth is simply not gaining a sufficient influx of
mass in order to offset the ongoing and accelerated escapement of our
natural and artificial hydrogen and especially that of our helium. In
other words, there is simply not a volumetric balance of sufficient
incoming mass taking place, and at the very least our upper 50% mass
of atmosphere is getting progressively thinned out and/or displaced by
the vertically migrating supply of helium and hydrogen. How could
this upper atmospheric thinning not allow more solar and secondary
Selene/moon radiated energy in (including UV, X-rays and gamma)?
The current rate of Earth’s surface and ocean floor outgassing of
mineral saturated fluids and otherwise natural gasses from deep
geothermal vents and undersea volcanoes is likely in the realm of
contributing at least 1e12 kg/year, and perhaps roughly 1% of that
being in the form of direct atmospheric worthy gasses (including raw
hydrogen and always helium that doesn’t naturally recombine with
anything unless we’re talking fusion).
If this 1e12 kg/yr or 1000 megatonnes/year (<1e10 kg/yr of He and H2)
of such solids and gasses from within Earth isn’t bad enough, there’s
an influx of mostly vaporized meteorites worthy of contributing
another 5e7 to 5e8 kg/yr, from which hydrogen and helium (including
He3) is always a part of that meteor/comet influx, and factor in the
electrostatic/lightning created hydrogen if you’d care to add a little
more insult to injury.
Now add the human contributed/expedited volumetric tonnage of helium
that’s released, such as typically 1<9% of our natural gas and
otherwise from the extractions of coal and oil. In India they have
recently quantified some of their natural geothermal venting areas as
giving off <2% helium per volume of what’s surface escaping along with
many other gasses (including methane and radon), meaning there’s loads
of nearby thorium, uranium and radium below, along with a substantial
natural gas reserve of perhaps certain locations worth <10% helium
purity. In other words, India can’t possibly lose, with far cheaper
and more abundant nuclear worthy ore that’s as close to sustainable if
not somewhat renewable as we’re going to get.
If clean energy derived via a number of renewable alternatives plus
thorium isn’t quite good enough to suit your fancy, here’s the old
reliable geothermal alternative for us, pretty much just like I and
Steven Chu said. (how many hundred GW or TW would you like?)
“Plug into a Greener Grid: RE<C and RechargeIT Initiatives”
Video: Intro to Enhanced Geothermal Systems
http://www.google.org/rec.html
Commercial hybrids: With a national surplus of clean energy, even the
nearly all electric commercial 18<24 wheeler isn’t outside of what
this geothermal renewable kind of energy can deliver, such as within
as little as 3 hours of 3 phase recharging or battery pack exchange
that’s capable of providing <12 hrs of serious truck hauling, and
better yet if the hybrid ICE option ran on h2o2+synfuel or replaced by
an h2o2 fuel cell kind of high energy density battery (similar to what
the GM Volt has planned), in which case little if any hydrogen gets
released, and the whole birth-to-grave energy consumption process
become capable of contributing zero NOx as well as having released
zero helium.
Put Steven Chu and even the bipolar wizardly likes of our informative
William Mook in our national green/renewable energy think tank, and
right off the bat we’ll start going to better places without nearly as
much environmental consequences, creating a national surplus of clean
energy to boot. In closing, it would certainly be nice if a physics
kind of stop-loss order could be placed, so that mother Earth as our
one and only Eden could also stop losing mass.
~ BG
BradGuth
not)
By the observationology science of our looking at Mars and deductively
interpreting the UV obtained data, we know that <21,000 tonnes of
methane is seasonally vented and most likely lost to space within a
given amount of time. By way of using the same degree of
observationology science can also quantify exactly how much of Earth’s
methane is made available, as well as for observing our build up of
CO2 plus any number of many other elements, including helium and
hydrogen that do not stick with Earth.
If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
NASA, DoE, DNR and their Big Energy puppet masters have been
obfuscating and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment
(similar to our SEC approved Ponzi Madoff), we’d likely terminate the
whole lot as though they were nothing but worse than another Muslim
sleeper cell hiding WMD and OBL. In other words, we’d react first and
ask questions later, especially since the darkening cloud of evidence
by way of their actions isn’t all that hidden from modern observation
methods of easily detecting and quantifying such atmospheric elements.
(in other words, perhaps our recently foiled Orbiting Carbon
Observatory mission wasn’t of such an unavoidable anomaly after all)
As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) platform of global
observation and other science instruments could have been accomplished
for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it could have been
interactively station keeping and telling us the whole body of naked
truths about Earth, instead of our being limited by the published
mainstream and obfuscated infomercial alternatives that’s telling us
only what limited parts of our public funded science they see fit to
share, so that we can’t be well informed as to how much and from which
sources are contributing the most into our environment.
Not so unexpected, it seems Big Energy and those otherwise invested
have needed something to refocus or divert our public media and the
general public attention away from the ugly truths, whereas the AGW
fiasco as having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary
culprit has certainly been their failsafe ticket to ride thus far.
Oddly, it seems Earth has been unexpectedly warming as of 11,711 years
ago (long before artificial freons and CO2 were invented), and only as
of lately has Earth been losing a great deal of its mass at the same
time, partially via natural causes including by holding onto our
Selene/moon, and otherwise extensively due to all of the human
released gasses of mostly methane, hydrogen and helium in addition to
our CO2. The volumes and subsequent gigatonnage/year of terrestrial
methane for the most part is consumed and otherwise recombines and
doesn’t manage to leave our environment, however, eventually the
megatonnage/year of its helium and even some of its hydrogen does
manage to leave.
We’ve been told and/or informed by those in charge that our planet is
always gaining mass. However, in spite of the local and cosmic influx
of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth has actually been losing a great deal of
its mass, mostly by way of its insufficient tidal radius grip on our
helium and hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen
and helium comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream
promoted and heavily infomercial hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s
actually nothing all that clean or environmentally friendly about our
extracting and using coal, not to mention the obvious atmospheric
pollution of toxic elements you wouldn’t dare breath yourself, plus
surface and aquifer loads of mostly fresh water consumptions and
subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain and ground water
that’s downright mind boggling.
On the lighter side of such released elements, Earth’s atmosphere
sustains an average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts per volume or
0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along with freed
hydrogen leading the way, plus certain freons and perhaps even pulling
some of our methane along for the ride, that’s all helping to expand
those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, within any given
minute or hour there’s a volume of 26.5e8 m3 of helium being made
available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
ppm, and at 1 bar this kind of saturation is worth a global volumetric
472e3 tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added mass, that’s
continually made available on any given minute, hour or day after day
(try to remember that’s per vertical meter, whereas a km gives us
472e6 tonnes to work with).
Methane w/helium:
Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
(avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing our
isotope element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average =
3.5e10 * .178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
Basically, other than our trusty DoE and USGS, there’s no one all-
inclusive or any other specialized agency of oversight for this global
accounting on behalf of released hydrogen and helium from oil wells,
oily sands, coal, methane or multiple other deep aquifer and mineral
mining operations, so instead we have any number of a mostly industry
self funded and of a few semi-private research reports to pick from,
none of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, tossing
out the high and the low, we get to use our loose cannon swag of our
deductive interpretation in order to obtain rough estimates as based
upon average of everything else. Being highly conservative, I have
used 1% of the methane volume and 0.1% of the extracted coal and oil
volumes as a rough basis for estimating the extent of helium
released. However, as it turns out I’ve only been off by a factor of
10<30 fold at having underestimated the raw methane and subsequent
helium per m3 of coal and oil, mostly because I had no educated idea
how much methane comes along with the process of uncovering or
extracting each tonne or m3 of coal and oil.
Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting such on behalf
of speculating global methane released from abandoned mines, as likely
in excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in raw methane, and therefore
we’re looking at perhaps 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg = 17.8e3
tonnes He/year that’s derived from just those abandoned sites, and
because of so much interior having been exposed from deep within
Earth, whereas even those flooded mines do not entirely stop this
ongoing release of helium, means that previous estimate of 17.8e3
tonnes/year could easily be conservative by a factor of 10.
http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM030.pdf
This next example of an active coal mining operation of extracting
<4e6 t/year of coal is worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, directly
venting <72 m3/minute of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less
than a third of the 30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured, and
for the most part utilized on site.
http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
Volume of raw methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
“From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
air methane (VAM).”
In other words, the vast bulk of their VAM from the coal related
mining is 130e6 m3/yr, including whatever portion that’s helium is
simply vented, and their consumed methane simply does not consume or
otherwise recombine its content of helium. At the distributed energy
equivalent value of 33<36e3 btu/m3 or ~10.5 kwh/m3 @100% eff. (typical
power generation efficiency at 39% = 4.1 kwhr/m3, and top quality home/
office/commercial heating can supposedly extract <96% eff), means
these coal and methane energy supplying wizards never heard of the
wise old phrase “waste not, want not”. Perhaps BHO as our new and
improved fearless leader needs to create a national methane piping
grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly as we have needed to
upgrade and expand our national electrical grid, because our Big
Energy providers are clearly wasting nearly as much or more energy via
vented and/or burned off methane than we actually need to use, and
otherwise needlessly venting helium in the process.
Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
spontaneous fires via exposed coal as having been allowed to burn),
besides all the toxic CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous
pollutants released (China’s underground fires alone providing 360
million tonnes/year of CO2), whereas the geologically stored element
of helium is never consumed, but instead the release of coal, oil and
methane sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With perhaps 250
million tonnes/year of global underground coal fires plus whatever
associated methane per year going up in smoke, so to speak, there’s
perhaps a bare minimum of a million of tonnes worth of helium getting
released per year by this process alone. This natural plus artificial
release of helium, much like that continually released via commercial
and residential natural gas consumption, simply doesn’t recombine or
otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
Perhaps our not having put out or terminated those underground coal
fires has been a bad idea, and simply not a viable future option
unless 1000 ppm of CO2 plus multiple other toxic pollutants isn’t a
bother. Of course it’s much worse if you’re situated near or down
wind of any natural pockets, underwater volumes or geothermal vents of
CO2, that from time to time gets released and manages to kill off most
of everything each invisible and often odorless cloud of CO2
surrounds.
Frankly, I’ve had no good idea as to how utterly dynamitic and
extensive the natural outflux plus that of our artificial release of
helium was, and that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of
excavated coal and oil was even captured. I’m only now understanding
how limited or rather systematically obfuscated our public knowledge
has been about the vast extent of this ongoing factor of released
methane and subsequent helium via oil, coal and multiple other mining
operations. Another important consideration is that it takes anywhere
from 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
unless the ultimate goal is actually intended to toxic gas and mineral
saturate our frail environment while roughly quadrupling the release
of coal sequestered helium in order to supplement our ongoing
consumption of liquid hydrocarbons.
Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas <1% of this gaseous
volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium (231 t) is released
per year from a typical coal mining operation, and throughout the
world there’s at least a thousand of such major underground mines
ongoing = 231e3 t of He/year, plus a thousand more of active surface
mines, and of course we don’t want to even discuss deaths directly
related to this global extraction, transporting, processing and the
final consumption and/or conversions of coal. Gee, I wonder why BP,
GE and ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
helium. Is there a secret DNR (department of natural resources)
promoted race with China to see who can manage to release the most
helium?
If I were the proper kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet, and/or
the good kind of public funded minion of such a faith-based government
that’s run extensively by the likes of those Rothschilds and Big
Energy cartels and Mafia cabals, I sure as hell would not want to see
any such OCO (Orbiting Carbon Observatory) mission or that of any
Selene L1 platform of objective spectrometer founded battery of
science instruments looking at our environment, and much less allowing
the general media access to interpreting any of such publicly funded
research that would easily identify and even quantify per km3 as to
how much of our environment is getting consumed by natural and
artificial fire, and otherwise as having been polluting our upper most
atmosphere with additional helium and hydrogen that’s unavoidably
going away from Earth at a fairly alarming rate, because we might
actually realized how extensively screwed we are.
Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus ever manage to get by without
having created their fair share of internal or open combustion? (just
kidding, because there’s all sorts of perfectly renewable and/or
geothermal accomplished ways that’ll put most anything we have [short
of He3/fusion] to shame, and then some). Too bad we don’t have the
cool Venus L2 location as for accommodating our POOF City or future
ISS outpost as our interplanetary Oasis/Gateway home away from home,
perhaps for the same insidious and/or obfuscated reasons we still
don’t have anything of Selene L1 at our disposal for even robotic/
remote obtained solar/Earth/moon science.
BradGuth
vacuum environment as we’re going to get, perhaps worth at least 1e-18
bar to as great of vacuum as 1e-21 bar, and there’s loads of solar and
secondary IR energy to burn, so to speak.
Earth’s atmosphere of 3e25 atoms/m3 represents a great deal of a
velocity restrictive medium for photons to migrate through. Within the
ISM (such as between us and Sirius) and especially at the ISL1 there’s
perhaps as little as 0.1 atom/m3 (1e6 atoms/km3), and otherwise of
intergalactic space (IGS) and of its IGL1 there could represent as
little as .001 atom/m3 (<3 atoms/km3). Within that extreme vacuum of
0.001 atom/m3 can’t help but slow, divert or otherwise impede the
velocity of light. However, at any one microsecond of time there's
trillions upon trillions of coexisting photons passing through that
very same cubic meter, that'll somehow have to share the very cold and
large 0.001 atom/m3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space (I can’t quite agree with
this)
“The IGM is thought to exist at a density of 10 to 100 times the
average density of the universe (10 to 100 hydrogen atoms per cubic
meter). It reaches densities as high as 1000 times the average density
of the universe in rich clusters of galaxies.”
I’ll interpret that between the typical galaxy our IGS L1 average
density is more likely hosting a fractional .001 ionized hydrogen atom
or fewer than a highly charged electron or positron per cubic meter,
fewer yet of helium and so forth. Since the volume of our forever
expanding universe (~156e9 ly, or a volumemetric tally of nearly 2e33
cubic light years) is much greater than previously suggested, is
simply not likely offering an all-inclusive average density of greater
than 0.1 atom/m3.
One cubic light year = 8.467e47 m3
Volume of our universe = 2e33 x 8.467e47 = 16.934e80 m3
Atoms within our universe of 1.7e81 m3 at 0.1 atom/m3 = 1.7e80 atoms
note: our solar wind at 1 AU offers roughly 3~12e6 heavy particles of
mostly ptotons/m3 (halo CMEs of < 3000 km/s offers <1.5e8 protons/m3),
and of course an equal or somewhat greater electron flux.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1538-4357/591/2/L163/17157.fg1.html
Lots of fancier color (mostly false hue saturated) eye-candy images
via 10+ year old TRACE ($39M), as the 1+ year mission of a polar
orbit. Note that TRACE was completed on time and 20 percent under
budget. (fore shame on them)
http://trace.lmsal.com/
http://trace.lmsal.com/POD/TRACEpodoverview.html
http://sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov/smex/trace/index.html
A replacement TRACE-2.0 would offer at least 10 fold better resolution
and even narrower bandpass filters plus 4 db of increased dynamic
range, but then our hard earned public loot and time was obviously
better spent on OBL and bogus WMD, fondling our artificially corrupted
AIG fiasco and SEC approved Ponzi Madoff.
Of somewhat further noteworthy is our physically dark and naked Selene/
moon surface that offers an all-inclusive atmospheric mass of
supposedly less than 10 lunar tonnes, and the near surface density
that’s supposedly worth only 1e11 atoms/m3 by night and otherwise 3e11
atoms/m3 by day (an average of 2e11 atoms/m3). However, that’s not
taking into account the local tonnage of the entire 9r surrounding
sodium vapor that’s worth <1e10 ionized atoms/m3 by day, plus we have
the 900,000 km comet like tail of sodium (all of which totaling at
least 1.5e6 tonnes) plus a few other exposed elements that unavoidably
get vacuum-boiled off and/or vaporized by the cosmic influx of gamma,
plus solar X-rays, UV and a physical solar wind influx of <1e9 protons
and/or electrons/m3, plus there’s nearly always a continuous physical
bombardment or unavoidable gauntlet of meteors (roughly 1e7<1e8 kg/
year) that can’t help but vaporize themselves and surface basalt plus
whatever other substances into contributing to the lunar atmosphere,
that which without an effective magnetosphere just keeps getting taken
away, and thus our highly unusual Selene/moon is instead continually
losing rather than gaining mass, with the exception of all the old and
new crystal dry and highly electrostatic charged dust, that
unavoidably sticks around because it’s simply too heavy not to and
isn’t otherwise getting vaporized.
Discovery of Sodium and Potassium Vapor in the Atmosphere of the Moon
(we’re talking long after our Apollo missions)
A. E. Potter and T. H. Morgan / May 2, 1988
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/241/4866/675
“Spectra of the region just above the bright limb of the Moon show
weak emission features that are attributed to resonant scattering of
sunlight from sodium and potassium vapor in the lunar atmosphere. The
maximum omnidirectional emission flux above the bright limb is 3.8 ±
0.4 kilorayleighs for sodium and 1.8 ± 0.4 kiloray-leighs for
potassium. The zenith column densities above the subsolar point are
estimated to be 8 ± 3 x 108 atoms cm-2 for sodium 1.4 ± 0.3 x 108
atoms cm-2 for potassium. Corresponding surface densities are 67 ± 12
atoms cm-3 and 15 ± 3 atoms cm-3, respectively. The scale height for
the sodium atmosphere is 120 ± 42 kilometers, and for potassium 90 ±
20 kilometers, which implies that the effective temperature of the
sodium and potassium is close to the lunar surface temperature. The
sodium density at the south polar region was found to be similar to
that at the subsolar point, indicating wide-spread distribution of
sodium vapor over the lunar surface. The ratio of the density of
sodium to the density of potassium is (6 ± 3) to 1, which is close to
the sodium to potassium ratio in the lunar surface, suggesting that
the atmosphere originates from the vaporization of surface minerals.”
Much greater detail via terrestrial and remote satellite obtained
science (including gamma spectrometry), as having been learned about
this extensive lunar sodium and potassium since 1988, that which
unfortunately doesn’t exactly support the Apollo lunar geology and
atmospheric findings.
~ BG
On Feb 27, 7:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> the whole lot as though they were nothing but another Muslim sleeper
> cell hiding WMD. As of 4 decades ago, the Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1)
> platform of observation and other science instruments could have been
> accomplished for 10% the cost of one Apollo mission, and as such it
> could have been telling us the whole body of naked truths about Earth,
> instead of our being limited by the published mainstream obfuscated
> infomercial alternative that’s telling us only what parts of our
> public funded science they see fit to share.
>
> Not so unexpected, they have needed something to refocus or divert
> public attention away from the ugly truths, and the AGW fiasco as
> having fingered freons and then CO2 as being the primary culprit has
> certainly been their best ticket to ride.
>
> In spite of the local and cosmic influx of 1<5 kg/sec, seems Earth is
> losing a great deal of mass, mostly by way of losing its helium and
> hydrogen. Directly related to where some of that hydrogen and helium
> comes from, and far away from the supposed mainstream promoted and
> their heavily hyped truth, whereas it seems there’s nothing all that
> clean or environmentally friendly about our extracting and using coal,
> not to mention the surface and aquifer loads of mostly fresh water
> consumptions and subsequent contamination of the surrounding terrain
> and ground water that’s downright mind boggling.
>
> Earth’s atmosphere sustains an average 5.2 ppm of helium (5.2e-6 parts
> per volume or 0.00052%) that continually migrates towards space along
> with hydrogen leading the way, plus certain freons and perhaps even
> pulling some of our methane tag along for the ride, that’s all helping
> to expand those O3 ozone holes along the way. In other words, on any
> given second, minute or hour there’s 26.5e8 m3 of helium made
> available from the interior and surface of Earth, as otherwise our
> atmosphere simply wouldn’t sustain those background readings of 5.2
> ppm, and at 1 bar this saturation is worth a global volumetric 472e3
> tonnes of helium per vertical cubic meter of added volume, that’s
> continually made available on any given minute, hour or day after day.
>
> Our global 2009 wellhead natural gas extraction = 3.5e12 m3, He<9%
> (avg 0.5<1.5%) of this natural gas volume is always contributing the
> element of helium. Using 1% as the helium content average = 3.5e10 * .
> 178 = 6.23e9 kg or 6.23 million tonnes of He/year.
>
> Basically, other than our trusty DoE, there’s no one all-inclusive or
> specialized agency of oversight or global accounting on behalf of
> released hydrogen and helium from coal mining, so instead we have any
> number of mostly industry funded research reports to pick from, none
> of which agree with most any other report. Therefore, we get to use
> our loose cannon swag of deductive interpretation in order to obtain
> rough estimates. Being highly conservative, I have used 1% of the
> methane and 0.1% of the extracted coal volume as a rough basis for
> estimating the extent of helium released. However, as it turns out
> I’ve only been off by a factor of 10<20 fold at having underestimated
> the methane and subsequent helium per tonne or even per m3 of coal.
>
> Judging by the following US Coal reports on methane absorption and
> subsequent emissions, if used for further interpreting on behalf of
> the speculating global methane released from abandoned mines is likely
> in excess of contributing 1e10 m3/year in methane, and therefore at
> the very least we’re looking at 1e8 m3 of helium, or 0.178e8 kg =
> 17.8e3 tonnes He/year from abandoned sites, and that estimate could
> easily be conservative by a factor of 10.http://www.coalinfo.net.cn/coalbed/meeting/2203/papers/coal-mining/CM...
>
> This next active coal mining operation of extracting <4e6 t/year is
> worth 30<35 m3 of methane/tonne, plus directly venting <72 m3/minute
> of methane, or 37.8e6 m3/yr, and otherwise less than a third of the
> 30<35 m3/tonne of extracted coal is captured.
> http://www.methanetomarkets.org/Data/Coal_MX_Mimosa_poster.pdf
> Total volume of ventilation from mine: 150 m3/sec = 9000 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane in ventilation air: 72 m3/min
> Average methane concentration in ventilation air: 0.5%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration: 0.5% -0.8%
> Total volume of gas drained: 22.5 m3/minute
> Volume of pure methane drained: 18 m3/minute
> Average methane concentration in drained gas: 75%
> Fluctuation of methane concentration in drained gas: 50 –75%
> Coal permeability: 30 – 4 milidarcy
> Coal in situ gas content: 10 m3/tonne
> Relative emissions: 30 m3/tonne of coal mined
>
> “From the present coal production the emissions from the mines are
> 30-35 m3 of methane per tonne of coal mined. Only 30% of the average
> gas emitted is captured from underground mining operations of each
> mine. The remaining 70% is exhausted in the atmosphere as ventilation
> air methane (VAM).”
>
> In other words, the vast bulk of their coal related methane (130e6 m3/
> yr) plus whatever helium is simply vented. At an energy equivalent
> value of 10 kwh/m3, guess these energy producing folks never heard of
> “waste not, want not”, and perhaps it sounds like BHO needs to create
> a national methane piping grid with 99% helium removal, just as badly
> as we need to upgrade and expand our national electrical grid, because
> we’re clearly wasting more energy than we use.
>
> Richard Heinberg's MuseLetter: Coal in China
> http://globalpublicmedia.com/museletter_coal_in_china
>
> http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/index.html
> When underground coal uncontrollably burns (thousands of such fires
> exist, and many of those were artificially caused and/or of
> spontaneous fires having been allowed to burn), besides all the toxic
> CO2 and multiple other sooty and gaseous pollutants released (China’s
> underground fires alone providing 360 million tonnes/year of CO2),
> whereas the stored element of helium is never consumed, but instead
> the release of coal sequestered helium is greatly accelerated. With
> perhaps 250 million tonnes of global coal plus associated methane per
> year going up in smoke, so to speak, there’s also a good million
> tonnes or more worth of helium getting released per year. This
> helium, like that released via natural gas, simply doesn’t recombine
> or otherwise stick with the mass of Earth.
>
> Perhaps our not putting out those underground coal fires has been a
> bad idea, and simply not a viable future option.
>
> Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
> natural flux plus that of our artificial release of helium was, and
> that so little of the bulk methane per tonne of excavated coal was
> captured. I’m only now understanding how limited or rather
> systematically obfuscated our public knowledge is about the vast
> extent of this ongoing factor of released methane and subsequent
> helium via coal mining. Another important consideration, is that it
> takes 3 to 9 tonnes worth of coal per tonne of synfuel, so that option
> of solid to liquid fuel conversion isn’t exactly a viable solution
> unless the ultimate goal is to toxic gas and mineral saturate our
> frail environment while quadrupling the release of coal sequestered
> helium in order to supplement our consumption of crude oil.
>
> Apparently 130e6 m3 of methane released per year from a given coal
> mining operation is not all that uncommon. Whereas 1% of this gaseous
> volume is likely helium, thus 1.3e6 m3 of helium is released per year
> from a typical coal mining operation. Gee, I wonder why BP, GE and
> ExxonMobil are not bragging about who has contributed the most
> helium. Is there a race with China to see who can release the most
> helium?
>
> If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
> funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
> those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell would not want to see
> any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
> and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
> funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
> getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
> polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen that’s
> going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
> Wonder how those smart ETs on Venus manage to get by without their
> fair share of internal or open combustion? (just kidding, because
BradGuth
moon L1?
Why is there so little science pertaining to this energy efficient
orbital location?
~ BG
On Mar 30, 7:15 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is perhaps as close to an ISM ideal
> vacuum environment as we’re going to get, perhaps worth at least 1e-18
> bar to as great of vacuum as 1e-21 bar, and there’s loads of solar and
> secondary IR energy to burn, so to speak.
>
> Earth’s atmosphere of 3e25 atoms/m3 represents a great deal of a
> velocity restrictive medium for photons to migrate through. Within the
> ISM (such as between us and Sirius) and especially at the ISL1 there’s
> perhaps as little as 0.1 atom/m3 (1e6 atoms/km3), and otherwise of
> intergalactic space (IGS) and of its IGL1 there could represent as
> little as .001 atom/m3 (<3 atoms/km3). Within that extreme vacuum of
> 0.001 atom/m3 can’t help but slow, divert or otherwise impede the
> velocity of light. However, at any one microsecond of time there's
> trillions upon trillions of coexisting photons passing through that
> very same cubic meter, that'll somehow have to share the very cold and
> large 0.001 atom/m3.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space(I can’t quite agree with
> ...
>
> read more »
hanson
How officially taboo/nondisclosure (on a scale of 0-10) is our
~ BG
>
You have a strange taste & abberant orientations, Brad.
Does she appeal to your Zio-Nazi fetish, Brad?
>
http://www.seleneluna.com/
>
It clearly shows that you are not rolling in the right circles.
But hey, whatever turns you on... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA..
Thanks for the laughs though, dude... ahahahanson[snipped Brad's lengthy & pathetic love letters to his Selene Luna]
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote
> How officially taboo/nondisclosure (on a scale of 0-10) is our
> this energy efficient orbital location?
> ~ BG
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> You have a strange taste & abberant orientations, Brad.
> Does she appeal to your Zio-Nazi fetish, Brad?
>
> http://www.seleneluna.com/
>
> It clearly shows that you are not rolling in the right circles.
> But hey, whatever turns you on... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA..
> Thanks for the laughs though, dude... ahahahanson
>
> [snipped Brad's lengthy & pathetic love letters to his Selene Luna]
You're a lost cause, as are most Zionist Nazis of your kind, but why
would kT rename this topic "Fetishists" ?
~ BG
BradGuth
> the contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
> magnetosphere. Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
> earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
> one another.
>
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuthBG / “Guth Usenet”
How much official mainstream obfuscation and denial is this topic
worth?
(certainly a whole lot more that I expected)
~ BG
Eric Gisse
[snip spew]
I just noticed something.
You have been averaging nearly 50 posts a day for 2 years straight.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
BradGuth
I'm just asking the same old questions, and otherwise suggesting as to
what could be accomplished if there was something station-keeping
within that interactive zone of near zero gravity that's always
between Earth and our Selene/moon.
Do you have something profound or deductively noteworthy to share
about our Selene/moon L1?
Do you know something/anything special about Clarke Station or the
Boeing OASIS?
Obviously you are opposed to my LSE-CM/ISS, but can't really say
anything because of the taboo/nondisclosure policy that you had to
sign in your own blood.
~ BG
Jim Davis
> I just noticed something.
>
> You have been averaging nearly 50 posts a day for 2 years straight.
> What the fuck is wrong with you?
And William Mook feels obligated to respond to every last one of
them.
Jim Davis
BradGuth
Not really, because it's more that I respond to those topics and
replies of Wiilliam Mook, although as of lately he's not exactly
getting hardly any positive YouTube feedback. So, other than poking
at my stuff he's kind of alone. (not that I don't understand why).
William Mook is a human reference library of physics, science and most
everything else.
~ BG
Eric Gisse
> On Apr 3, 8:36 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 8:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [snip spew]
>
> > I just noticed something.
>
> > You have been averaging nearly 50 posts a day for 2 years straight.
> > What the fuck is wrong with you?
>
> I'm just asking the same old questions
Yes, and it is boring. Find a hobby that isn't diagnostic of a mental
illness.
[snip rest]
BradGuth
Unlike yourself, I have important things to share, and I still have a
hundred fold more of those honest questions that directly relate to
the ongoing process of learning all that I can about such off-world
matters, that which yourself and others of your obfuscating and denial
kind continually refuse to even allow any positive/constructive
discussion to coexist without our having to survive the gauntlet of
your mainstream status quo and otherwise faith-based flack, such as
your "alt.morons" and other intentionally cesspool skewed and/or bogus
Usenet/newsgroups.
~ BG
hanson
"BradGuth", the Wanker, <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BradGuth, the Selene Luna suitor <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > BradGuth, the Zio-Nazi, <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Eric Gisse wrote:
[snip spew] --- I just noticed something.
You have been averaging nearly 50 posts a day for 2 years
>
Brad wrote:
I'm just asking the same old questions.
>
Eric Gisse wrote:
Yes, and it is boring. Find a hobby that isn't diagnostic
of a mental illness. [snip rest]
>
Unlike yourself, Gisse, I have important things to share,
>
hanson worte:
yeah, yeah... mmm... hmmmm... ahaha...ahahahaha...
AHAHAHA.. AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHAHAHA...
right!.. Right!... IMPORTANT THINGS!... yeay, yeah!
AHAHAHA...ahahahaha.. ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA
>
Brad wrote:
and I still have a hundred fold more of those honest questions
that directly relate to the ongoing process of learning all that I
can about such off-world matters, that which yourself and others
of your obfuscating and denial kind continually refuse to even
allow any positive/constructive discussion to coexist without
our having to survive the gauntlet of your mainstream status
quo and otherwise faith-based flack, such as your "alt.morons"
and other intentionally cesspool skewed and/or bogus
Usenet/newsgroups.
>
Seriously, Brad... is it an honest question or not, to ask you
what YOU mean by "honest questions"... Don't fly off the handle
now and/or begin to wanker over your penchant for Selene
Luna or your Zio-Nazis. All that has been explained much
better on these 2 websites, both catering to your persuasions:
>
http://www.seleneluna.com/ - and - http://www.jewwatch.com/
>
But unlike Eric's admonition to you, I say: Don't let me cramp
your style, Brad. Carry on!... ahahaha... thanks for the laughs!....
ahahahahanson
BradGuth
>
> But unlike Eric's admonition to you, I say: Don't let me cramp
> your style, Brad. Carry on!... ahahaha... thanks for the laughs!....
> ahahahahanson
Clearly you are never here to honestly contribute, or much less
constructively help. So, why exactly are you here?
What physics and/or science expertise do you bring to the table?
~ BG
hanson
>
the Uber-Wanker, "BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote
>> "BradGuth", the Wanker, <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> BradGuth, the Selene Luna suitor <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >BradGuth, the Zio-Nazi, <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eric Gisse wrote:
> [snip spew] --- I just noticed something.
>
> But unlike Eric's admonition to you, I say: Don't let me cramp
> your style, Brad. Carry on!... ahahaha... thanks for the laughs!....
> ahahahahanson
The Uber Wanker Brad wrote:
Clearly you are never here to honestly contribute, or much less
constructively help.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... That only seems to you to be this way, ... because
most of the Wankers, who self-aggrandize themselves here,
like you do, Brad, are beyond help.. ... and AFA "contributions"
are concerned, especially like yours, they are more like scripts
for a cartoon strip... or for an episode of the "Andy Griffith" show...
wherein you are Goober cum Barney who wants to be Sheriff.
>
Brad wrote:
So, why exactly are you here?
>
hanson wrote:
TO HAVE FUN!... unlike yourself Brad, who labors under
the delusions that "you have important things to share"...
Yeah, right!.. Right!... IMPORTANT THINGS!... yeay, yeah!
AHAHAHA...ahahahaha.. ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA
>
Brad wrote:
What physics and/or science expertise do you bring to the table?
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... Are you able to pay me $625.-/hr with a $5000
minimum, up-front?... which is my standard fee that any and all
my clients pay. But, since you are fiscally not that sound you
must make due with what I "bring to the able" for free, namely
my laughs about and with you, Brad... except you have not
learned yet that latter part of it... So, till then, Brad... thanks
for the laughs anyways... ahahAHAHAHahaha... ahahanson
BradGuth
> ---------- AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHHAHA... ---------
>
So, you have nothing except the usual greed, and not even one personal
reference that makes you worth half minimum wage. Gee whiz, what a
surprize, that even our resident bipolar wizard William Mook has a
better lineage and superior pedigree than yourself.
~ BG
BradGuth
It must have something to do with our Selene L1 and the Big Energy
foiled OCO mission, because I've changed nothing else.
~ BG
hanson
---------- AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHHAHA... ---------
---------- AHAHAHA... AHAHAHHAHA... ---------
The sore Selene-Wanker, "BradGuth" wrote:
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>> Tthe Uber-Wanker, "BradGuth" wrote:
> >"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> http://www.seleneluna.com/ - and - http://www.jewwatch.com/
Wanker-Brad angrily wrote:
So, you have nothing except the usual greed, and not even one
personal reference that makes you worth half minimum wage.
Gee whiz, what a surprize, that even our resident bipolar wizard
William Mook has a better lineage and superior pedigree than
yourself.
>
hanson wrote:
.... AHAHAHAHAHAHA.. So, Wanker-Brad, listen: It is very
clear that you are broke and penniless. Pity. But you 1st bagging
on me and then you, Brad, BEGGING hanson for "one personal
reference" makes you out to be an even bigger failure in begging
for FREE information than you are in your continuous failure to
promote a trip to your Selene...
>
Luckily, there are financially successful people in charge of the
task to allocate funding (Brad calls'em Zio/Nazi/DARPA)
for a space mission to Selene L1, the Earth-Sun Lagrange
point. These folks hesitate to approve that endeavor because
it has been pointed out that the debris hazard at L1 may be even
more intense than on the Earth.... --- .... As far back as the Apollo
missions pic sets were published and are available that show
these collections of debris at L1.... ahaha...
>
Perhaps I may put in a good word for you and suggest that
Dreidels like you should be used to clear up the debris at L1,
of course only after a riorous training and aprrentiship by you,
as hallway floor-sweeper in the ward of your current residence,
the State Mental Hopsital.
>
Your graduation would be set, when you, Brad, will have learned
and demonstrate not to fly off your broom handles, like you now
routinely and continuously do. -- I will also suggest for your William
Mook to be your trainer and handler....
>
Would that make you happy, Brad?.... Till then, as usual and
again... Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
:
BradGuth
self, having fun at the expense and if at all possible demise of
others. Hitler would be soooo proud.
~ BG
hanson
>
ahahahaha... Brad, don't wanker, strain &
crank yourself so obviously. I know you try
your hardest to be funny. And you are a
very good joke, especially in your tortured
attempts to have the last word. Will that
make you happy?... Thanks for the laughs.
ahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson.
BradGuth
The best resolution and even its dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/03/latest-images-from-chandrayaan-1/
Oddly there’s still equal or better resolution images via them old
Apollo analog metric mapping images, even as poorly scanned into
digital format none the less.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/metric/
However, now there’s atmospheric bacteria surviving at 41 km above
Earth. “ISRO makes intriguing "extraterrestrial" life discovery --
let's hope they're on our side!”
http://www.worldnewsforum.net/computers-space-technology-gaming/3530-ndian-space-researchers-claim-extraterrestrial-life-discovery.html
Discovery of New Microorganisms in the Stratosphere
http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Mar16_2009.htm
By rights, this means there should be Mars microbes, and/or at least
spores.
Notice how all of the American media has been instructed/warned not to
convey anything positive or otherwise constrictive about ISRO,
obviously it’s because ISRO at less than ten cents on the dollar they
is making our NASA and DARPA look entirely pathetic, if not bogus.
In addition to far superior Earth science, from Selene/moon L1 with an
optical telephoto lens or telescope could have accomplished a whole
lot better job than one meter per pixel, along with a DR of at least
32 DB, and with multiple bandpass filters to boot.
~ BG
BradGuth
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/03/latest-images-from-chandrayaan-1/
Oddly there’s still equal or better resolution images via them old
Apollo analog metric mapping images, even as poorly scanned into
digital format none the less.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/metric/
However, now there’s atmospheric bacteria surviving at 41 km above
Earth. “ISRO makes intriguing "extraterrestrial" life discovery --
let's hope they're on our side!”
http://www.worldnewsforum.net/computers-space-technology-gaming/3530-ndian-space-researchers-claim-extraterrestrial-life-discovery.html
Discovery of New Microorganisms in the Stratosphere
http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Mar16_2009.htm
By rights, this means there should be Mars microbes, and/or at least
spores.
Notice how all of the American media has been instructed/warned not to
convey anything positive or otherwise constrictive about ISRO,
obviously it’s because ISRO at less than ten cents on the dollar is
making our NASA and DARPA look entirely pathetic, if not bogus.
Instead of being continually outdone by India, Japan and even China,
the Selene/moon L1 could have been ours as of 4 decades ago.
In addition to obtaining far superior Earth, sun and moon science, as
accomplished from Selene/moon L1, with an optical telephoto lens or
sufficient telescope could have accomplished a whole lot better job
than one meter per pixel, along with a DR of at least 32 DB, and with
multiple narrow bandpass filters to boot. In other words, we wouldn't
have needed OCO or a dozen other spendy satellite obtained science
missions, plus so much other could have been accomplished from Selene
L1.
~ BG
hanson
The best resolution and even the dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
>
and so do you, Brad. In the dynamic rage and best resolution.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
I’ve only been off by a factor of 10<20 fold
>
..of course. That's because, like you said, you suck
>
Brad Guth wrote:
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
>
hanson wrote:
..of course. That's because you suck.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
If I were the kind of brown-nosed
>
hanson wrote:
...not if, Brad. You are. Look into the mirror
>
Brad Guth wrote:
I sure as hell would not want to see any such Selene L1 platform
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. AHAHAHAHA.. you are the worst peddler/advocate
for your causes I have ever seen.... But, what saves the day for
you is that you are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs, Brad
ahahahaha.... ahahahahanson
hanson
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/czdrte
ahahahaha... Brad, don't wanker, strain &
crank yourself so obviously. I know you try
your hardest to be funny. And you are a
very good joke, especially in your tortured
attempts to have the last word. Will that
make you happy?... Thanks for the laughs.
ahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson.
>
The best resolution and even its dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
>
Very bad last word from by you. No sale. Brad, you still suck,
wanker, strain & crank yourself so obviously.
BradGuth
Do you always stay under the covers when you fart?
~ BG
BradGuth
Your vast knowledge of nothing is impressive. Did I miss anything
worth quoting from the flatulence spewed wisdom of lord hanson?
Is there ever anything of true physics or objective science that
emerges from between the Zionist butt-cheeks of hanson?
~ BG
hanson
The best resolution and even the dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
>
hanson wrote:
and so do you, Brad. In the dynamic rage and best resolution.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
I’ve only been off by a factor of 10<20 fold
>
hanson wrote:
..of course. That's because, like you said, you suck
>
Brad Guth wrote:
Frankly, I’ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
natural flux was
>
hanson wrote:
..of course. That's because you suck.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
If I were the kind of brown-nosed
>
hanson wrote:
...not if, Brad. You are. Look into the mirror
>
Brad Guth wrote:
I sure as hell would not want to see any such Selene L1 platform
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. AHAHAHAHA.. you are the worst peddler/advocate
for your causes I have ever seen.... But, what saves the day for
you is that you are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs, Brad
ahahahaha.... ahahahahanson
>
Your vast knowledge of nothing is impressive. Did I miss anything
worth quoting from the flatulence spewed wisdom of lord hanson?
>
.... ahahahaha... easy on the "lord" there... Your attempts of farting
for me and brown nosing me will NOT increase your sales ability
nor promote the chances for a good outcome of your dreams.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
Is there ever anything of true physics or objective science that
emerges from between the Zionist butt-cheeks of hanson?
>
... AHAHAHAHA... Your question is much better answered in your
sourcebook, where all their achievements and accomplishments
are neatly & fully catalogued. I told you that before. Look into it now:
>
http://www.jewwatch.com
>
Thanks for the laughs, Brad... hahahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
http://tinyurl.com/czdrte
ahahahaha... Brad, don't wanker, strain &
crank yourself so obviously. I know you try
your hardest to be funny. And you are a
very good joke, especially in your tortured
attempts to have the last word. Will that
make you happy?... Thanks for the laughs.
ahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson.
>
Brad wrote:
The best resolution and even its dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
>
hanson wrote:
Very bad last word from by you. No sale. Brad, you still suck,
wanker, strain & crank yourself so obviously.
Sorry, but thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Do you always stay under the covers when you fart?
>
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:...
Didn't read anything you had to say, but then you (aka nobody) didn't
actually have anything to say, so what's the difference?
~ BG
BradGuth
I still didn't bother to read anything you had to say, but then you
(aka nobody) didn't actually have anything on-topic to say, so what's
the difference?
~ BG
hanson
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> cranked himself & wrote:
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:...
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> >> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
Didn't read anything you had to say, but then you (aka nobody)
didn't actually have anything to say, so what's the difference?
>
ahahahaha... then why did you answer?
AHAHAHA... Brad, don't wanker, strain &
hanson
I still didn't bother to read anything you had to say, but then you
(aka nobody) didn't actually have anything on-topic to say,
so what's the difference?
>
BradGuth
(aka nobody) didn't actually have anything on-topic to say, so what's
the difference?
~ BG
BradGuth
read anything you had to say, but then you (aka nobody) didn't
actually have anything on-topic to say, so what's
the difference?
~ BG
hanson wrote:
> "BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> cranked himself & wrote
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> >> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> >
> BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote
> The best resolution and even the dynamic range from ISRO sucks.
> >
> hanson wrote:
> and so do you, Brad. In the dynamic rage and best resolution.
> >
> Brad Guth wrote:
> I�ve only been off by a factor of 10<20 fold
> >
> hanson wrote:
> ..of course. That's because, like you said, you suck
> >
> Brad Guth wrote:
> Frankly, I�ve had no idea as to how dynamitic and extensive the
BradGuth
is running at full tilt, whereas in this case Big Energy and our NASA
are in some kind of mutual cahoots with one another.
hanson
>
hanson wrote:
.... hahahahaha... what full tilt? Only when Google becomes
aware of your tripe and they determine that your messages
are shaking something in/of their agenda, only then will they
banish you.
But so far, old friend, your tripe has been so inconsequential,
that your messages are not heard nor do have ANY impact.
>
Your Google profile is still intact. You have to work smarter,
Brad...ahahaha... Till then, thanks for the laughs... ahahaha..
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
BradGuth
Thanks once again for the usual topic update, of adding nothing of any
relevance whatsoever. We know, it's what you and others of your kind
do best, so at least your black heart is in the right place.
~ BG
BradGuth
such a good idea as far as Big Energy and their faith-based puppets of
government and global domination are concerned.
hanson
:::::: you are talking to yourself again... AHAHAHAHA....
>
Date line, 12-Apr-09: In his fad, "BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com>
talked to himself again and he wrote:
>
The general public learning too much about Eden/Earth is obviously
not such a good idea as far as Big Energy and their faith-based
puppets of government and global domination are concerned.
>
he did on 28-Feb-09 when he wrote:
>
If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding
and otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely
terminate the whole lot as though they were nothing but another
Muslim sleeper cell hiding WMD.
>
public" from "news at 11"...]
>
If I, Brad Guth, were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA
puppet and/or public funded minion of such a faith-based government,
run by the likes of those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell
that’s going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
by without their fair share of internal or open combustion?
>
... ahahahahaha... yeah, yeah, yeah!... & as you said earlier:
::BG:: I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, [that]
::BG:: **** I HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE ********
>
So, having introduced you properly now, it still shows that
**** *** you are not rolling in the right circles, Brad *** ****.
Brad, contribute something new to the discussion, not just
stale rehash from news at 11. ...
Do show some evidence about your Venal ET's, for instance...
... Or show how DARPA causes fires.. which you somehow
attribute to Jews... on whom you have stopped beating-up
upon lately & substituted them with the Muslim ass-venters...
ahahaha...
Brad, you were much funnier when you had your hard-on
for the former ones whose achievements are tabulated in
your resource catalog in http://www.jewwatch.com... ahahaha
.... ahahaha
Did the Yidds scare you and made you shut up?.... AHAHAHA...
or did you switch gears and become a class 3 enviro.... you
hoping that your Green Bible will show you how to roll in the
right circles? Instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/d68uqz ...
>
As usual, Brad, don't let me cramp your style, because
YOU HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE, don't you?...
The world needs good laughs, Brad. Thanks... ahahahanson
BradGuth
> ::::::: ... ahahahaha... Brad, Brad, Brad, old buddy,....
> :::::: you are talking to yourself again... AHAHAHAHA....
>
> .... ahahaha
> Did the Yidds scare you and made you shut up?.... AHAHAHA...
> or did you switch gears and become a class 3 enviro.... you
> hoping that your Green Bible will show you how to roll in the
> right circles? Instructions here:http://tinyurl.com/d68uqz...
>
> As usual, Brad, don't let me cramp your style, because
> YOU HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE, don't you?...
> The world needs good laughs, Brad. Thanks... ahahahanson
Is this wordage all because you can't stop farting?
Can you point out where if anything you've accomplished really
matters?
Is this all because you simply don't know where Selene L1 is?
Does anyone other than myself ever respond in any positive/
constructive way to your crap.
~ BG
hanson
:::::: you were talking to yourself again... AHAHAHAHA....
>
Date line, 12-Apr-09: In his fad, "BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com>
your resource catalog in http://www.jewwatch.com... ahahaha
.... ahahaha
Did the Yidds scare you and made you shut up?.... AHAHAHA...
or did you switch gears and become a class 3 enviro.... you
hoping that your Green Bible will show you how to roll in the
right circles? Instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/d68uqz ...
>
As usual, Brad, don't let me cramp your style, because
YOU HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE, don't you?...
The world needs good laughs, Brad. Thanks... ahahahanson
>
> ----------- -------- -------
BradGuth wrote:
Is this wordage all because you can't stop farting?
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, you are weaseling and side-stepping because you
have no answers and you are saying nothing new. See
above.. It shows again that you are still not rolling in
the right circles. Your issues that torture you ought to be
IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE.. but your interests in
my farts should NOT be one of them. But I am flattered.
>
BradGuth wrote:
Can you point out where if anything you've accomplished
really matters?
>
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHA... Certainly, Brad. Apparently, my farting at
you are important things to you. Your response shows that
my farts are great accomplishments from your point of view.
Brad, you lucky son of a gun, you just had a flash of wisdom
now... hahahahaha...
>
BradGuth wrote:
Is this all because you simply don't know where Selene L1 is?
>
hanson wrote:
I talked about your Selene L1 in several posts to you, just a few
days back, and I have shown you why even in that regard you are
simply not rolling in the right circles... because, of course, you've
IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE... like you interest in my farts.
>
BradGuth wrote:
Does anyone other than myself ever respond in any positive/
constructive way to your crap.
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, also on this level you are simply not rolling in the right
circles. You are too slow in the uptake. hanson does NOT expect
nor need any responses, but when he get them, from folks
like yourself, who believe that they have IMPORTANT THINGS
TO SHARE, like you do... then Brad, fun-time is here and on...
ahahaha... It's a bit like the Bumpersticker says:
===== Hire the handicapped -- they are fun to watch =====
Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson
BradGuth
> ::::::: ... ahahahaha... Brad, Brad, Brad, old buddy,....
> :::::: you are cranking yourself now... needlessly, after
> :::::: you were talking to yourself again... AHAHAHAHA....
>
Thank you for keeping this topic of mine on top of the Usenet/
newsgroup stack. See, even a Zionist Nazi like yourself is actually
good for something after all.
~ BG
BradGuth
even the worse of those pesky brown-nosed clowns come our to play.
It's as though the MI5/CIA cabal of DARPA and their Skull and Bones
are all pissed off about something, that they obviously wouldn't dare
to share.
Perhaps Selene L1 is simply too dark and scary, as was the OCO mission
if it had gotten into orbit.
~ BG
On Feb 27, 8:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> the whole lot as though they were nothing but another Muslim sleeper
> If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
> funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
> those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell would not want to see
> any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
> and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
> funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
> getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
> polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen that’s
> going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
hanson
:::::: acknowledged now that you are mentally handicapped
:::::: & that you are wankering big time again, just like last
:::::: time when you cranked yourself so uselessly, after
:::::: you were talking to yourself ,as usual...AHAHAHA....
Brad wankered and wrote:
Thanks for keeping this topic of mine on top of the Usenet/news
group stack. See, even a Zionist Nazi like yourself is actually
good for something after all.
>
ahahaha...AHAHA... WOW! You, Brad, said above that you have
"IMPORTANT THINGS TO SHARE". This must be one of them.
>
AHAHAHA... ahahahaha... Certainly, Brad. People/readers do
appreciate a good laugh, especially when you, in your anger
revert from your hate onto Muslims back to hating the Zionist
Nazis... back and forth, as if that would help your yearning for
and your fetish over Selene Luna http://www.seleneluna.com/
to produce anything more for you than you being the butt of the
joke and not even realizing it. It's just like the Bumpersticker
says:
===== Hire the handicapped -- they are fun to watch =====
BradGuth
> Nothing wrong with a little bitching and moaning now and then;
> but bitching about the same thing, over and over, is kooky.
> BradGuth must find a solution to his problems, no one can do it for him.
>
> Likewise, Ha Ha Hanson hasn't come to terms with the way life is:
> A. If they can take “ your ” money with impunity, it was never yours.
> B. The rich are just as hopeless as the rest of us.
That oddly sounds exactly like a typical mainstream over and over
bitch, so you must be a brown-nosed kook (whatever a kook is).
At least I don't topic/author stalk with the mindset intent of topic
bashing, of changing topic names to suit whatever faith-based or
political damage-control whim of the day, and/or to revise the
crossposting in order to include your favorite incest saturated
cesspool newsgroups like a certified Zionist Nazi kook usually does.
Hanson is just a pathetic lost cause, as is Art Deco, Saul Levy and a
few dozen others of their borg mafia obfuscation contingency.
~ BG
BradGuth
> On Apr 3, 8:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 3, 6:51 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Were there good enough reasons to sabotage OCO, and/or was Big Energy
> > > simply capable of putting their usual voodoo hex on such a mission?
>
> > > Emissions of sweet gas flares in Alberta, Canada.
> > > Coal has certainly been much worse than any typical oil extraction
> > > process for that of our environment and personal health, but you
> > > wouldn’t want your family, pets or any food source within 10 downwind
> > > miles of a typical oil extraction field or major refinery. In some
> > > instances 100 miles might be considered a safe distance.
>
> > > “The observation that gas flaring in the Niger Delta is causing acid
> > > rain is also backed by the U.S government's Energy Information
> > > Administration”
> > > http://www.climatelaw.org/cases/country/nigeria/cases/case-documents/...
>
> > > “The human health effects of exposure to pollutant emissions from gas
> > > flares will be localized to the vicinity of such flares. Therefore, it
> > > is important to estimate how much gas each flow station in the Delta
> > > flares. Recent data show that the Kolo Creek and Obama flow stations
> > > in Bayelsa State flare, on average, approximately 800,000 m3/day of
> > > gas” (most of which they’d like nothing better than to simply burn off
> > > in order to prevent catastrophic local fireballs that could otherwise
> > > incinerate most everything in sight).
>
> > > “Hence, based on the Canadian data, an 800,000 m3/day sweet gas flare
> > > would elevate ambient air levels of particulate matter by 21 ug/m3 at
> > > a distance of 1,325 meters from such flare, and would elevate ambient
> > > levels of benzene by 2.3 ug/m3.”
>
> > > Some nations have enforcement of flare gas standards to go by.
> > > “Burning of gas in fields that produce 150,000 m3 or less per month,
> > > or in fields with a gas-petroleum ratio of less than 20 m3/m3”
>
> > > In other words, they don’t want to see more flare gas (of primarily
> > > methane) combustion greater than 20 m3 per m3 of extracted oil. They
> > > even attempt to restrict this incineration gauntlet down to the dull
> > > roar of “60,000 m3 per month for the pilots of flares on
> > > installations at sea”. Most oil fields and especially offshore
> > > directly utilize <33% of their vented methane in order to produce a
> > > source of local energy, of which does nothing except pass-through
> > > whatever’s helium. Therefore, per m3 of extracted oil can contribute
> > > its 1% of <30 m3 of associated methane as raw helium, or 0.3 m3 helium
> > > per m3 of crude oil. That’s <30% helium per volume of crude oil. In
> > > trying to remain conservative, we might suggest 20% per volume of
> > > crude as helium.
>
> > > Of course, most all of this artificially created CO2 via oil flare gas
> > > combustion and of our coal industry ventilation of releasing gas and
> > > toxins, including its raw methane, helium and even freed hydrogen
> > > would not have gone unnoticed by those new and greatly improved
> > > science instruments of our spendy and badly needed OCO mission, that
> > > which rather conveniently failed to get deployed. What we have got
> > > here is a serious Big Energy butt load of damage-control motives, more
> > > than sufficient opportunities and certainly the wherewithal means by
> > > which to foil or eliminate any such public funded science that might
> > > give the rest of us an honest clue as to what we’re doing to our
> > > environment.
>
> > > “The Canadian Public Health Association has noted over 250 identified
> > > toxins.”
>
> > > In addition to the mostly artificial release of helium, there’s also a
> > > fair amount of hydrogen set free, that isn’t otherwise properly stored
> > > or consumed, and always good old SO2, CO2 plus NOx for good measure,
> > > and much of everything else you wouldn’t dare put into your body, plus
> > > a few elements heavy enough (such as radon) that’ll sink to the
> > > surface and/or combine with other perfectly acceptable elements so as
> > > to dilute or cloak there existence (acidic rain being one of the most
> > > common, although others such as benz[a]pyrene and dioxin are certainly
> > > worth noting), many of which would have been OCO remote spectrometer
> > > detected and even rather nicely quantified per better than 3 km2
> > > resolution. In other words, a large enough cache of Porta-Potties
> > > might have been easily detected and their gas output quantified by
> > > those three bore-sighted high-resolution spectrometers. In the near
> > > future, instead of extrapolating data from spectrophotometry, with
> > > better instruments based upon the x-ray or gamma spectrometer format
> > > could narrow this resolution detail down to a few m2, thus eliminating
> > > all possible doubt as to where each and every m3 of such gas
> > > contributed elements are coming from. In other words, a Big Energy
> > > executive couldn’t fart without being detected.
>
> > > If you don’t want to know about the extensive CO2 contributions, then
> > > by all means don’t go to this next link.
>
> > > CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENTS PER BARREL OF CRUDE
> > > https://www.edockets.state.mn.us/EFiling/ShowFile.do?DocNumber=5589092
> > > 336<472 kg of CO2 per barrel of extracted crude (excluding methane
> > > combustion) seems a tidbit high, but what hell, it’s only our frail
> > > environment and quality of life we’re trashing. All we have to do is
> > > adjust ourselves to a future of 1000 ppm(0.1%) CO2 and stop our
> > > incessant whining about acid rain, global warming, or the accelerated
> > > erosion of our precious topsoils, plus the inflationary cost of most
> > > everything that’s becoming spendy as hell.
>
> > > Paint me silly, but I smell rotten eggs. Too bad as of 4 decades ago
> > > we didn’t establish our robust platform or gateway/outpost of
> > > sufficient robotic/remote science within the ideal orbital location of
> > > SeleneL1, offering the best ever whole Earth observations including
> > > the contents of and solar wind interactions with our badly failing
> > > magnetosphere. Instead we keep wasting time, resources and our hard
> > > earned loot on LEO limited observations that seldom if ever agree with
> > > one another.
>
> > > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuthBG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > How much official mainstream obfuscation and denial is this topic
> > worth?
>
> > (certainly a whole lot more that I expected)
>
> > ~ BG
>
> It must have something to do with our Selene L1 and the Big Energy
> foiled OCO mission, because I've changed nothing else.
Notice how the true spooks and moles of Big Energy and their puppet
government are out in force in order to obfuscate their butts off.
It's as though one of my lose cannons nailed their private parts.
~ BG
hanson
>
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com>, anagrammically the
*Drab Thug* in his *Drug Bath* wankered in his fetish,
Zio-Nazi style, over his yearning for his Selene Luna
======= http://www.seleneluna.com/ ==============
as he keeps talking to himself when he wrpte:
On Apr 4, 4:39 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 8:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 3, 6:51 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
:::Brad says:: I have important things to share
:::Brad says:: I've changed nothing
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. Old buddy, listen.. Once you get out of your
Drug Bath, Brad Guth, you will recognize in your 2 liner that
this issue is only important to yourself... Otherwise you are
correct: You have changed nothing...
Therefore again, thanks for the laughs... ahahahahanson
hanson
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Jeffâ–²Relf <Jeff_R...@Seattle.inValid> wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little bitching and moaning now and then;
but bitching about the same thing, over and over, is kooky.
BradGuth must find a solution to his problems, no one can
do it for him.
>
Likewise, Ha Ha Hanson hasn't come to terms with the way life is:
yours. & B. The rich are just as hopeless as the rest of us.
>
Brad wrote:
That oddly sounds exactly like a typical mainstream over and over
>
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHA... Jeff, you old wanker, haven't you learned yet
that "No good deed ever goes unpunished". See what you got
for you semi-pseudo-quasi amelioration attempt from the Drug
Bath of the Drab Thug, Brad Guth... ahahahaha...
>
BTW, Brad, "Kook" is a Jewish family name. Jeff may be a Jew.
<
Brad, the Stalker, wrote:
At least I don't topic/author stalk like a certified Zionist Nazi kook
usually does.
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... But YOU do so, Brad. You do. You can't help it.
Just watch your up and coming response. It's nothing but typical
stalking out of the Drug Bath of the Drab Thug, Brad Guth!
>
Brad wrote:
Hanson is just a pathetic lost cause, as is Art Deco, Saul Levy and
a few dozen others of their borg mafia obfuscation contingency.
>
ahahahaha... Am I cranking you, Brad?... NO!... Do I lay heavy on
your mind, Brad?... I really don't mean to. So, here a soothing
present for you:
>
----- ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha ----
>
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com>, anagrammically the
*Drab Thug* in his *Drug Bath* wankered in his fetish,
Zio-Nazi style, over his yearning for his Selene Luna
======= http://www.seleneluna.com/ ============
On Apr 4, 4:39 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 8:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 3, 6:51 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip crap except for the Drab Thug's premonition in which...]
>
:::Brad says:: I have important things to share
:::Brad says:: I've changed nothing
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. Old buddy, listen.. Once you get out of your
BradGuth
mutated kind, is systematically topic/author stalking and bashing for
all that MI5/CIA and their Zionist Nazi DARPA is worth. At least it
keeps my honest topic on top of their public Usenet/newsgroup cesspool
stack of mostly infomercial topics. (notice that spook/mole 'hanson"
as my personal MI5/CIA shadow has no public profile nor “Recent
Activity”, thus clearly a Google/NOVA Groups insider that’s cloaked as
supposedly banished, except with no access or posting restrictions
whatsoever)
Apparently our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is still officially NASA and
DARPA taboo/nondisclosure rated. I suppose the India or China
configured Clarke Station as their Selene L1 outpost/gateway would
have to be secretly nuked by DARPA black ops, and per usual false
flagged as something Muslim WMD caused, and otherwise that of my LSE-
CM/ISS never allowed to start its R&D in the first place.
Too bad the mainstream whole truth and nothing but the truth in this
case is wisely taking the failsafe obfuscation and cover-thy-butt
fifth. I can also see that our official Usenet/newsgroup topic
banishment policy is running at near full tilt, whereas in this case
Big Energy and our soon to be unplugged and/or downsized NASA are in
some kind of mutual cahoots with one another, in order to keep their
private cabal from being BHO sucked into our DoD/USAF command.
Perhaps the new science advisers to BHO are merely dumbfounded village
idiots, and thereby actually believe anything published by our DARPA
and NASA as being every bit as good as any words of our lord almighty.
~ BG
On Feb 27, 8:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the general public knew what our government agencies of DARPA,
> NASA, DoE and their Big Energy puppet masters have been hiding and
> otherwise doing to us and our frail environment, we’d likely terminate
> the whole lot as though they were nothing but another Muslim sleeper
> If I were the kind of brown-nosed NASA or DARPA puppet and/or public
> funded minion of such a faith-based government, run by the likes of
> those Rothschilds and Big Energy, I sure as hell would not want to see
> any such Selene L1 platform of science instruments looking at Earth,
> and much less allowing general media access to any of such publicly
> funded research that would easily quantify how much of Earth is
> getting consumed by natural and artificial fire, and otherwise
> polluting the upper most atmosphere with helium and hydrogen that’s
> going away at a fairly alarming rate.
>
hanson
:::Brad said::: I don't stalk like a certified Zionist Nazi kook
:::Brad said:: I have important things to share
:::Brad said:: I've changed nothing
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. Old buddy, listen.. Once you get out of your
your lunatic issue is only important to yourself... Otherwise
you are correct: You have changed nothing.. not even your
own stalking habit of anybody who does not brown nose
you. Just read your own stalker post with...
>
the latest news out of the "Drug Bath" of the "Drab Thug",
"BradGuth" all 3 being anagrammically equivalent, aka
<brad...@gmail.com> who wrote:
:::Brad said::: Notice how spook/mole "hanson" is [from]
:::Brad said::: MI5/CIA and their Zionist Nazi DARPA.
:::Brad said::: Notice that spook/mole 'hanson" as my personal
:::Brad said::: MI5/CIA shadow has no public profile nor
:::Brad said::: “Recent Activity”, thus clearly a Google/NOVA
:::Brad said::: Groups insider that’s cloaked as supposedly
:::Brad said::: banished, except with no posting restrictions
:::Brad said::: whatsoever
>
hanson wrote:
SPACE -- Situation Protection Assessment Case Evaluation
by "hanson":
ahahAHAHA... SPACE reveils: You are getting hotter, Brad.
But only under your own collar. Never the less, your fears and
fantasies, (induced by your Drug Bath, Brad Guth) are superior
to ex-poster's "Awe Shit" aka Lion Kunts' findings, who had
determined in a similar way, "like yourself" did here, that:
:::Kunts said::: "hanson is the Chauffeur of Organized
:::Kunts said::: Corporate Crime Lords"
>
Well, Brad, my good old, buddy, can't you see that hanson is here
to protect you... from yourself, that is... Don't be such an ingrate!
>
>
Brad Guth wrote:
India or China's Selene L1 [was] to be secretly nuked by DARPA
black ops, and false flagged as a Muslim WMD, [which] is wisely
taking the failsafe obfuscation and cover-thy-butt fifth.[ass-venting]
I can also see that our official Usenet/newsgroup topic banishment
policy is running at near full tilt, whereas in this case Big Energy
and our soon to be unplugged and/or downsized NASA are in some
kind of mutual cahoots with one another, in order to keep their private
Perhaps the new science advisers to BHO are merely dumbfounded
village idiots, and thereby actually believe anything published by our
DARPA and NASA as being every bit as good as any words of our
lord almighty.
>
WOW, that is powerful stuff there, Brad. This is a game changer.
Don't be so loud about it, Brad. Hush it. Proceed in whisper tone,
because this issue may finally put you into a position for you to
ROLL IN THE RIGHT CIRCLES!.. Listen closely, now! Very close.
You must get your Bible Beating "lord almighty" hang-ups and your
enviro type 3 classification, with you being a "little green idiot" out
of the way, for you to gain access to help. So, if you are game, do
that self-cleansing, Brad, and you will be cyber contacted.... but
DO NOT say
>
:::Brad said::: Frankly, I’ve had no idea ... how those smart... kind
:::Brad said::: of brown-nosed... ETs were...
>
[snipped the repetitive, useless tripe of Brad's Selene Luna fetish]
======= http://www.seleneluna.com/ ============
and don't mention the word "Kook" in any derogatory way, Brad.
"Kike", yes, but "Kook" is an honeste good Jewish family name.
>
>
.... ahahahaha... thanks for the laughs, dude... ahahahahanson
BradGuth
the Usenet/newsgroup stack, because I certainly couldn't do this all
by myself.
While you're at it, give my topic 5 gold stars, because unlike
yourself I'm such a nice guy.
~ BG
hanson
by "hanson":
>
Brad, the Stalker, did it again, AFTER he read this: