Worst Med Schools in US
John F. DeSilvio
Would anyone have a ranking of the worst, let's say 20, schools in the US?
What is it that makes these schools so bad? Please e-mail me
with any information. Thanks for all your help :-}
........................John D.
Manny
In article <5nvhau$ilo$1...@news.nyu.edu>, jfd...@is4.nyu.edu says...
Mayber what makes them so bad is people like you interested in them in the
first place.
Timothy Lahey
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Manny wrote:
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says...
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<BR>>Would anyone have a ranking of the worst, let's say 20, schools in
the US?
<BR>>What is it that makes these schools so bad? Please e-mail me
<BR>>with any information. Thanks for all your help :-}
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........................John D.
<P>Mayber what makes them so bad is people like you interested in them
in the
<BR>first place.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Try to work out your aggressions somewhere else, would you? The guy was
just asking an innocent question... jeez.
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John F. DeSilvio
Mr. Manny, I don't know who the heck you think you are to judge me and
the motive behind my post. It is ignorant people like you that ASSume
and jump to conclusions. You have absolutely no right to judge me; you
do not know anything about my academic background. I
posted this inquiry to the group to steer AWAY from "bad" schools and
to also determine what makes a school of lesser quality. But, I've come
to the conclusion that it is neanderthals, like yourself,
that actually lower the quality of schools. I do sincerely hope you do NOT
enter the medical field, because we don't need any asinine doctors
with judgemental attitudes. In the future,
don't assume because, well you know the rest......Respond to posts if you
have something constructive to say. I've wasted enough time on you!
.........John D.
Manny (mpe...@netcom.com) wrote:
> In article <5nvhau$ilo$1...@news.nyu.edu>, jfd...@is4.nyu.edu says...
> >
> >Would anyone have a ranking of the worst, let's say 20, schools in the US?
> >What is it that makes these schools so bad? Please e-mail me
> >with any information. Thanks for all your help :-}
> >
> >
> > ........................John D.
>
>
> Mayber what makes them so bad is people like you interested in them in the
> first place.
>
>
Greg Nee
Manny wrote in article <5o54s9$s...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>In article <5nvhau$ilo$1...@news.nyu.edu>, jfd...@is4.nyu.edu says...
>>
>>Would anyone have a ranking of the worst, let's say 20, schools in the
US?
>>What is it that makes these schools so bad? Please e-mail me
>>with any information. Thanks for all your help :-}
Take a look at how this message appears to other people. Any reply to this
message is bound to really piss some people off, thus starting a flame war.
Since 20 schools makes up a very significant percentage of the US med
schools, it would probably piss off a LOT of people. A first glance, it
looked almost like a troll to me.
Despite this, I'll give a stock answer. There is no list of "worst med
schools" in the US, because such a list is impossible to construct. Who is
supposed to judge such a thing? The US News and World Report listing is
vaguely indicative at best, but the criteria for such a rating system is
bound to be shaky. What's worst for you isn't necessarily worst of somebody
else. The qualities you consider to be most important in choosing a school
may be not at all important to somebody else. Therefore your question is
not only inflammatory but invalid.
A better approach would be to give some information about yourself and what
you're looking for in a school and then ask for advice. The kind of post
you started with just begs for rude answers.
-=greg nee ms-4 tomorrow=-
univ of texas medical branch
Gary Nieder
a wrote:
>
> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> pre-meds applicants:
>
> (1) Meharry
> (2) Howard
> (3) Morehouse
> (4) Chicago Medical School
> (5) New York Med
> (6) Boston U
> (7) SIU
> (8) Loma Linda
> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
You mean like U. Michigan, U. Wisconsin and U. Texas Southwestern ???
Yeah, these are pretty bad.....
> (10) Osteopaths
--
Gary L. Nieder, Ph.D.
Department of Anatomy
Wright State University School of Medicine
Dayton, OH 45435
email: gni...@desire.wright.edu
Ph: 937-775-2547
Fax: 937-775-3391
NBelle3189
In article <33AAE0...@LILLY.COM>, "Chris A. Sloffer"
<SLO...@LILLY.COM> writes:
>> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
>> pre-meds applicants:
>>
>> (1) Meharry
>> (2) Howard
>> (3) Morehouse
>> (4) Chicago Medical School
>> (5) New York Med
>> (6) Boston U
>> (7) SIU
>> (8) Loma Linda
>> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
>> (10) Osteopaths
Interesting that the submitter of this list indicated that it was PRE-med
applicants that found these schools among the worst. Since these people
are not in medical school and 2/3 of them won't be, I would doubt that
this list is very meaningful. It doesn't make much difference if the
school is number 1 or number 106 if you are not in.
a
Chris A. Sloffer wrote:
>
> a wrote:
> >
> > Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> > pre-meds applicants:
> >
> > (1) Meharry
> > (2) Howard
> > (3) Morehouse
> > (4) Chicago Medical School
> > (5) New York Med
> > (6) Boston U
> > (7) SIU
> > (8) Loma Linda
> > (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
> > (10) Osteopaths
> University of Michigan would take exception to #9.
>
> Chris
I SAID "MANY" DIDNT I?
a
Daphne Lowe
Question 1: What do you call a guy who graduates from one of these med
schools?
Question 2: What do you call a guy who's not accepted to any med school?
Answer: Doctor, and Mr, respectively
Daphne
Alec Li
On 20 Jun 1997 17:44:17 GMT, al...@rgfn.epcc.edu (Shawn M. Schmitt)
wrote:
>I hope I don't piss anybody off, but aren't the University of Illinois
>at Urbana and the University of Illinois at Chicago considered to be
>less than stellar medical schools?
>
I thought for a while it was the University of Health Sciences Chicago
Medical School that tops the list :-)
People got pissed because they can't handle the truth. If there are
good schools, there have to be bad schools out there.
Chris A. Sloffer
a wrote:
>
> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> pre-meds applicants:
>
> (1) Meharry
> (2) Howard
> (3) Morehouse
> (4) Chicago Medical School
> (5) New York Med
> (6) Boston U
> (7) SIU
> (8) Loma Linda
> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
> (10) Osteopaths
trapper
a <a...@icarus.uic.edu> wrote:
>I SAID "MANY" DIDNT I?
Yeaaaahhhh!!! Good to see the DOs are at the bottom at that list of
schools (oops!...unless they are not in order?? :-()
By the way, *osteopath* is an inappropriate term for DOs. The AOA
*retired* the terms osteopath/osteopathy in 1960 in favor of
osteopathic medicine/osteopathic physician.
I grow tired of this debate......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!
Bryan
--------------------------------------
Bryan Maxwell
MS2, The University of Health Sciences
at Kansas City,
College of Osteopathic Medicine
Mr. Tanmaya C. Shah
Here's my take on this discussion, just my opionion. I don't think any
medical schools can be classified as "bad". To get into medical school
isn't easy for anyone. Even for those medical schools that are "ranked"
lower, the students are still pretty smart and hard working. I don't know
what makes a school "bad", but whether you go to the #1 ranked school or
the #100 ranked school, if you want to be a doctor, you'll work hard and
come out as one. I respect any and all medical students, and those who
aspire to physicians and are working hard to achieve their goals. (Me
included. :)
I don't think I offended anyone, but if i did, didn't mean to.
I have to get back to my application. hehehe.
-T
BrewsterK
>> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
>> pre-meds applicants:
>>
>> (1) Meharry
>> (2) Howard
>> (3) Morehouse
>> (4) Chicago Medical School
>> (5) New York Med
>> (6) Boston U
>> (7) SIU
>> (8) Loma Linda
>> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
>> (10) Osteopaths
Since I did not read this post in its original form perhaps there was more
to it, but I can't help but wonder what the criteria for judging
"reputation" or establishing this list was. I find it telling that the
top three are all historically black schools and while all three have
relatively low average MCAT scores and GPAs for the entering class, all
that indicates is that the admissions committee is interested in factors
other than numbers. The same can be said for the osteopathic medical
schools (by the way, very few knowledgable people use the term
"osteopath." The term is "osteopathic physician," a person who has a
degree in "osteopathic medicine"). Most of the DO school look at the
entire application and therefore don't necessarily admit the applicants
with highest numbers. I would also think that pre-meds would not want to
apply to schools with bad reputations, yet Chicago Med had almost 12000
applicants in 1996. When I was deciding what med schools to apply to I
read several sources; while I found several top 10 list, EVERY source I
read made the following point..."there are no "bad" medical schools in the
United States." I also have to wonder about the validity of medical
schools list based on PRE-med students opinions. Only about 25% of these
students are ever going to see the inside of a medical school.
Brewster
---"We are such stuff as dreams are made of..."---
Brew...@aol.com
MS1--Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine, August 1997
Ryan Maves
On 21 Jun 1997, someone wrote:
> >> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> >> pre-meds applicants:
Not a group I much care about.
> >> (1) Meharry
> >> (2) Howard
> >> (3) Morehouse
> >> (4) Chicago Medical School
> >> (5) New York Med
> >> (6) Boston U
> >> (7) SIU
> >> (8) Loma Linda
> >> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
> >> (10) Osteopaths
To which BrewsterK responded:
> When I was deciding what med schools to apply to I read several sources;
> while I found several top 10 list, EVERY source I read made the
> following point..."there are no "bad" medical schools in the
> United States."
Very true. The Gorman Guide, which ranks and discusses graduate programs
in the US and Canada, mentions this; the Guide is a remarkably blunt and
unsentimental text, and there are entire degrees that it considers to be a
waste of time (such as the EdD). It also trashes many law schools.
However, every single medical school in the country, MD and DO alike, gets
at least a rating of "good" from the Gorman Guide in terms of
opportunities, employment, and educational quality.
> I also have to wonder about the validity of medical schools list based
> on PRE-med students opinions. Only about 25% of these
> students are ever going to see the inside of a medical school.
Well, maybe 50% in the long run. I do view the number-crunching of the
pre-med crowd with a certain nostalgia, but you're absolutely right.
Students from Meharry, Morehouse, Chicago Med, et al, are getting good
training and will have one more MD than most pre-meds ever will.
Ryan C. Maves
-smit...@u.washington.edu
-http://weber.u.washington.edu/~smithers
University of Washington School of Medicine
"You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
Ryan Maves
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Alec Li wrote:
> People got pissed because they can't handle the truth. If there are
> good schools, there have to be bad schools out there.
Well, I go to a good school, and I still think most of them turn out
perfectly good docs. Some schools may be better than others, but that
doesn't make the rest "bad" per se. If you're going to one of the offshore
MD factories, well, OK, you've probably got a point therre. But if you're
attending a school in the continental US or Canada, then the education
should serve you just fine.
Romeo S. Ambrosio
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, a wrote:
> Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> pre-meds applicants:
>
> (1) Meharry
> (2) Howard
> (3) Morehouse
> (4) Chicago Medical School
> (5) New York Med
> (6) Boston U
> (7) SIU
> (8) Loma Linda
> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
> (10) Osteopaths
>
>
Since all med schools in the US need to be accredited in order to confer
the degree of doctor of medicine upon someone I find this list of no use.
No matter what medical school one attends he or shee will receive the same
education. As for reputation I could care less because it means nothing a
doctor graduating for Morehouse and a doctor graduating from Johns Hopkins
are both doctors with the same degree.
However, I would like to add that Howard is kinda questionable in their
admission practices. Tell me if you think it is odd to have a school send
you notification of receiving your complete application then never
contacting you again, not even a rejection letter. I made calls and my
advisor made calls but none of them were returned. I found that odd. Oh
well. I got in somewhere else.
Romeo
NBelle3189
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.970621...@umbc8.umbc.edu>,
"Romeo S. Ambrosio" <ram...@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
>However, I would like to add that Howard is kinda questionable in their
>admission practices. Tell me if you think it is odd to have a school send
>you notification of receiving your complete application then never
>contacting you again, not even a rejection letter. I made calls and my
>advisor made calls but none of them were returned. I found that odd. Oh
>well. I got in somewhere else.
>
>Romeo
Gee, Howard sent me a notification that my application was complete and an
acceptance letter arrived the next day. There is also an e-mail where you
may check on the status of your application.( Howard doesn't accept calls)
I guess with the high numbers( Howard has a very high number of
applicantsaccording to AMCAS), many parts of many applications are
delayed, lost etc. I had a similiar situation with MCV but they corrected
the problem and sent out their acceptance letter two months later. I do
know that Howard has revolving admissions and are still filling slots for
the fall class. There are interviews being conducted even now. If you want
your status(not that it matters at this point) look up Howard's e-mail
address on their web page.
Nat( I always thought I was too big to fall between the cracks at 5"8'.)
Dr Pigg
Ddoga <dga...@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu> wrote in article
<33AB7401...@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>...
> Oh boy! I feel the heat already...another one that may not die for
> quite a while in spite of the apparent idiocy of it all. Who knew?
Why are so many people so concerned that these threads die? Who cares? If
someone has something to add, let 'em.
DP
Dr Pigg
Alec Li <ale...@usa.net> wrote in article
<33aae225...@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
> On 20 Jun 1997 17:44:17 GMT, al...@rgfn.epcc.edu (Shawn M. Schmitt)
> wrote:
>
> People got pissed because they can't handle the truth. If there are
> good schools, there have to be bad schools out there.
>
Truth? Let's examine your logic. "It there are good schools, there have
to be bad schools out there." It follows then that since there have to be
had schools, the ones on this list must be they. Your logic fails.
DP
P. Kapur
It seems pretty clear that regardless of what Med school you go to (good
or bad) you come out with the same degree, and the only difference is the
percieved "prestige" of your degree. My question is; does "prestige" make
any difference when you graduate and begin and internship or residency ?
Do graduates of "bad" medical schools have a harder time getting "good"
electives during thier med school years ? Are they at any disadvantage
when it comes to seekin residencies (sp?)/internships or positions is
academic medicine ?? Overall, what do Harvard M.D's get (besides prestige)
that "bad" med school M.D's don't get ??? I suspect that there is no
significant difference, but I would love to hear other people's opinions.
- Puneet Kapur
- Hons. Biochemistry
Chris A. Sloffer
NBelle3189 wrote:
>
> In article <33AAE0...@LILLY.COM>, "Chris A. Sloffer"
> <SLO...@LILLY.COM> writes:
>
> >> pre-meds applicants:
> >>
> >> (1) Meharry
> >> (2) Howard
> >> (3) Morehouse
> >> (4) Chicago Medical School
> >> (5) New York Med
> >> (6) Boston U
> >> (7) SIU
> >> (8) Loma Linda
> >> (9) Many state schools from midwestern states
> >> (10) Osteopaths
>
> applicants that found these schools among the worst. Since these people
> are not in medical school and 2/3 of them won't be, I would doubt that
> this list is very meaningful. It doesn't make much difference if the
> school is number 1 or number 106 if you are not in.
OK, I didn't say anything the first time I saw it, but could we please
watch that the person who authored the notes that you are quoting are
the same that gets the quote line. In other words, when you just click
"reply" to a message that in fact was itself a reply, you don't get the
correct author for the original message!
mn
jfd...@is4.nyu.edu (John F. DeSilvio) wrote:
>Would anyone have a ranking of the worst, let's say 20, schools in the US?
>What is it that makes these schools so bad? Please e-mail me
>with any information. Thanks for all your help :-}
>
>
> ........................John D.
url for medical schools ranked by MCAT scores of entering students.
http://ursula.uoregon.edu/~premed/stats3.html
............mn
PaulLee123
Which med schools you attend is not that important (unless it is Harvard).
What is more important is: How you do in med school; and what you make
out of your education; and which residency/fellowship you end up; and
whether you become a good doctor with competence and compassion.
And here is my $0.02 on DO vs MD. The true test of their respective
values is: who can get the best jobs (both in terms of
residency/fellowship and in terms of getting hospital privilege in a good
hospital or a job with a good practice). I know some very good and
compassionate doctors who are DOs, but I think that they would have been
much farther ahead in their career had they been MDs.
Paul Lee MD
John Nguyen
In article <19970623225...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, paull...@aol.com (PaulLee123) wrote:
>Which med schools you attend is not that important (unless it is Harvard).
> What is more important is: How you do in med school; and what you make
>out of your education; and which residency/fellowship you end up; and
>whether you become a good doctor with competence and compassion.
My take on this issue is the following. If you plan on private practice, it
seems that the prestige of your alma mater is fairly unimportant. On the
other hand, if you plan on entering academic medicine, business, etc it
matters a great deal. For the latter case, being at the top of your class
at a top school is not equivalent to being at the top of your class at a more
obscure one. Even if in reality there is no difference, there will always
be a perceived difference. And that perceived difference can open up doors
for graduates of more famous schools. But the latter case applies to a very
small number of people.
For the most part, I agree with Paul. My father recently had coronary bypass
surgery, and even as a medical student, I did not care what school his surgeon
attended.
Ryan Maves
On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, John Nguyen wrote:
> My take on this issue is the following. If you plan on private
> practice, it seems that the prestige of your alma mater is fairly
> unimportant. On the other hand, if you plan on entering academic
> medicine, business, etc it matters a great deal.
It could be argued that residency and fellowship training is more
significant here, though. While there may be no "bad" medical schools in
the US or Canada, there are certainly some "bad" residencies. A
university-based residency is more of a plus when it comes to academic
medicine, for certain.
Alec Li
On 23 Jun 1997 22:58:21 GMT, paull...@aol.com (PaulLee123) wrote:
>Which med schools you attend is not that important (unless it is Harvard).
How did you come to the conclusion that Harvard is that special?
Please tell 'cause I REALLY REALLY want to know. :-)
Alec Li
Kenny Liu
In article <33b15a87...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
i think it's just the name. just say harvard anywhere and people will start
kissing your feet. i think i remember reading some article in us news and
world report about a harvard med graduate going to some remote pacific
island to do some medicine or something, and the natives were really
apprehensive about a foreign caucasian lady who didn't know the language
practicing medicine on them. but when they heard that she was from HARVARD,
they felt better.
my impression is that even if harvard is or becomes a "bad" medical school,
it'll still be good cuz it's got the NAME. :)
...
and anyways, i was just curoius...(and apparently dyslexic, too), but what's
it like to go to HARVARD? is their program particularly revolutionary otr
something? perhaps there's more research or clinical stuff going on?
and...how much does it cost? $35000? (including housing)?
someone tell!
bye!
--
Kenny Liu (415) 343-1896 Taekwondo Boy
grun...@uclink.Berkeley.EDU "Attack me if you dare, I will crush you!!"
http://server.berkeley.edu/~kcliu
"If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done."
Hughan R. H. Frederick
Chao-Wei Hwang (cwh...@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: Kenny Liu (grun...@uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: : and...how much does it cost? $35000? (including housing)?
: If you are a student in HST (Harvard's research-oriented MD program),
: Harvard/MIT will essentially PAY YOU over $100,000 (over 5 years) to
: cover your tuition. You end up just paying for housing, food, and books.
: (HST is not necessarily MD-PhD... most people in HST are in fact not
: MD-PhD students).
: Chao-Wei
Roy Arnold
> >
> > Here are the top 10 schools that have the worst reputations amongst
> > pre-meds applicants:
> >
> > (1) Meharry
> > (2) Howard
> > (3) Morehouse
> > (4) Chicago Medical School
> > (5) New York Med
> > (6) Boston U
> > (7) SIU
> > (8) Loma Linda
> > (9) Many state schools from midwestern states