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performance that was not meant for him, difficult problems in impression
management arise. Two accommodative techniques for dealing with these
problems may be mentioned. First, all those already in the audience may
be suddenly accorded, and accept, temporary backstage status and
collusively join the performer in abruptly shifting to an act that is a
fitting one for the intruder to observe. Thus a husband and wife in the
midst of their daily bickering, when suddenly faced with a guest of
brief acquaintance, will put aside their intimate quarrels and play out
between themselves that is almost as distant and friendly as the one
played out for the sudden arrival. Relationships, as well as types of
conversation, which cannot be shared among the three will be laid aside.
In general, then, if the newcomer is to be treated in the manner to
which he has been accustomed, the performer must switch rapidly from the
performance he was giving to one that the newcomer will feel is proper.
Rarely can this be done smoothly enough to preserve the newcomer's
illusion that the show suddenly put on is the performer's natural show.
And even if this is managed, the audience already present is likely to
feel that what they had been taking for the performer's essential self
was not so essential.
- Erving Goffman
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sensory impressions (exteroceptive and proprioceptive) per second.
Obviously, then, a drastic selection process is necessary to prevent the
higher brain centers from being swamped by irrelevant information. But
the decision about what is essential and what is irrelevant apparently
varies from individual to individual and seems to be determined by
criteria which are largely outside individual awareness. In all
probability, reality is what we make it or, in Hamlet's words, "...there
is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." We can only
speculate that at the root of these punctuation conflicts there lies the
firmly established and usually unquestioned conviction that there is
only one reality, the world as I see it, and that any view that differs
from mine must be due to the other's irrationality or ill will.
- Paul Watzlawick, et. al.
Stephen Calder
> Communication experts have estimated that a person receives ten thousand
> sensory impressions (exteroceptive and proprioceptive) per second.
> Obviously, then, a drastic selection process is necessary to prevent the
> higher brain centers from being swamped by irrelevant information. But
> the decision about what is essential and what is irrelevant apparently
> varies from individual to individual and seems to be determined by
> criteria which are largely outside individual awareness. In all
> probability, reality is what we make it or, in Hamlet's words, "...there
> is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
Up to here, very good. Those who are studying consciousness and the
working of the brain focus on what is working, in contrast to those who
studied mental illness to find a cure for it. They (by whom I mean
Daniel Dennett, Roger Penrose, Stephen Pinker and others) report pretty
much the same thing: the sense we have of the world is constructed in
the mind, which does a great deal of subconscious processing, including
erasing and even editing, of the raw sensory input so that it conforms
with expectations based on experience.
Fascinating. Perhaps now we can all start to doubt the evidence of our
senses, which would seem to be a good thing, since our senses are
telling (most of) us that something is wrong with the world.
Perhaps we can start to suspect that perhaps something is wrong with our
world view.
We can only
> speculate that at the root of these punctuation conflicts there lies the
> firmly established and usually unquestioned conviction that there is
> only one reality, the world as I see it, and that any view that differs
> from mine must be due to the other's irrationality or ill will.
> - Paul Watzlawick, et. al.
>
>
>
I can agree with this too but I would make a very important deletion and
generalise the sentence to apply to any conflict. Delete "punctuation".
This being the case, the necessity becomes seeing my brother as myself:
someone who merely wants everything to be for the best, but cannot see
how to obtain that except through conflict, or perhaps sacrifice, both
of which are completely unnecessary.
Internalised, the principal of love-your-brother-love-yourself comes
down to a personal decision whether or not to engage in conflict, and
generally conflict is engaged in until its futility is recognised and a
decision is made in favour of peace. Peace is then found internally,
where it is, if the seeking is determined and persistent.
I discovered I was the source of, and therefore had the solution to, all
my problems. The same is true for everyone, and everyone has to discover
that, if they do, for themselves. You already have the key: decide for
peace, now and forever, above all else.
Peace be with you.
--
Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia
Don Phillipson
> > Communication experts have estimated that a person receives ten thousand
> > sensory impressions (exteroceptive and proprioceptive) per second.
> > Obviously, then, a drastic selection process is necessary to prevent the
> > higher brain centers from being swamped by irrelevant information.
This proposition is not logically necessary and seems
not intuitively true. If it were true, it would imply the
brain's data path (capacity to receive X thousand data
bits per second) is known to be less than the receptive
capacity of the senses (capacity to send to the brain Y thousand
data bits per second.) But no evidence has been offered
of either value, X or Y, let alone which is greater.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Stephen Calder
Have you noticed that if you listen intently you can follow a single
person's voice in a crowded room?
Have you ever experienced being unaware of a background noise, such as a
refrigerator or washing machine, or lawnmower outside, until it stops?
Ever held a phone conversation amid a noisy background, such as
television, street noises, restaurant crowd, and been quite capable of
carrying on?
Is filtering going on? Is it conscious? Is it possible that filtering
could be going on all the time?
Our awareness shifts from one thing to the other in our environment and
at the same time our consciousness is giving us a running monologue
about the successes and problems we are facing, our relationships and
how to handle them, our financial and household affairs, and so on.
It seems highly likely to me that the total input of the senses is
filtered, edited and reconstructed in the brain, as the evidence
suggests, and that if we were totally aware of all the sense data at
once it could be overwhelming at times, impinging on the brain's
capacity to function in response to events.
John Flynn
[snip]
> Is filtering going on? Is it conscious? Is it possible that filtering
> could be going on all the time?
>
> Our awareness shifts from one thing to the other in our environment
> and at the same time our consciousness is giving us a running monologue
> about the successes and problems we are facing, our relationships
> and how to handle them, our financial and household affairs, and so
> on.
>
> It seems highly likely to me that the total input of the senses is
> filtered, edited and reconstructed in the brain, as the evidence
> suggests, and that if we were totally aware of all the sense data
> at once it could be overwhelming at times, impinging on the brain's
> capacity to function in response to events.
I'm a diabetic and have been for 34 years now. The times that I have
had a hypoglycaemic episode in which I've lost consciousness and
needed to be taken to a hospital for recovery are very few (I could
count them on one hand) but each time there has been, during the
recovery process, a time when my consciousness is kinda there, kinda
not there. I'm aware but not completely aware, but the thing that
I notice most about that 'waking' moment is that it is preceded by
a couple of minutes (it feels like minutes but might only be seconds)
of absolutely none of that filtering you mention. I am bombarded
with input from every sense; smells, sounds, feelings, tastes, all
of them flashing into my awareness completely beyond my control,
one after the other. And then, it's like a switch is flicked and
I regain 'control' of what I can shift my awareness to.
It's a very frightening thing to experience at the time, but very
fascinating to wonder about and contemplate when I'm back to normal.
--
johnF
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times in school biology is a travesty of education[.]"
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Don Phillipson
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> Don Phillipson wrote:
> If it were true, it would imply the
> > brain's data path (capacity to receive X thousand data
> > bits per second) is known to be less than the receptive
> > capacity of the senses (capacity to send to the brain Y thousand
> > data bits per second.) But no evidence has been offered
> > of either value, X or Y, let alone which is greater.
> Have you noticed that if you listen intently you can follow a single
> person's voice in a crowded room?
>
> Have you ever experienced being unaware of a background noise, such as a
> refrigerator or washing machine, or lawnmower outside, until it stops?
> . . .
> It seems highly likely to me that the total input of the senses is
> filtered, edited and reconstructed in the brain, as the evidence
> suggests, and that if we were totally aware of all the sense data at
> once it could be overwhelming at times, impinging on the brain's
> capacity to function in response to events.
Of course I agree -- but the OP concerned the values of X and Y.
We agree something probably limits the flow of sense
data to the mind: but we cannot say whether this filter is in the
sensing apparatus (cf. we see only the "visible spectrum:" we
cannot see anything at infrared or ultraviolet frequencies) or
inside the brain processor. This is why neurological research
continues (and perhaps philosophy too.)
Stephen Calder
Thanks for the input. Fascinating indeed.
heron stone
> We agree something probably limits the flow of sense
> data to the mind: but we cannot say whether this filter is in the
> sensing apparatus (cf. we see only the "visible spectrum:" we
> cannot see anything at infrared or ultraviolet frequencies) or
> inside the brain processor.
.it's not impossible that filtering can occur in both places...
and perhaps others
.one of the so-called "5 stupidities" of english is 2-valued logic
.our language machines often impose either-orism on our analysis
of situations
.we then act as though this analysis is a property of the situation
rather than a property of our analysis
heron
Stephen Calder
Have you studied General Semantics?
heron stone
> >>We agree something probably limits the flow of sense
> >>data to the mind: but we cannot say whether this filter is in the
> >>sensing apparatus (cf. we see only the "visible spectrum:" we
> >>cannot see anything at infrared or ultraviolet frequencies) or
> >>inside the brain processor.
> >
> >
> > .it's not impossible that filtering can occur in both places...
> > and perhaps others
> >
> > .one of the so-called "5 stupidities" of english is 2-valued logic
> > .our language machines often impose either-orism on our analysis
> > of situations
> > .we then act as though this analysis is a property of the situation
> > rather than a property of our analysis
> >
> > heron
>
> Have you studied General Semantics?
.you bet i have... ak s&s
.check my bibliography... http://gendo.net/gendo/bib.html
Stephen Calder
>
>
>>Have you studied General Semantics?
>
>
> .you bet i have... ak s&s
S&S?
You would also be interested, I believe, in the works of Stanislav Grof,
Michael Talbot and Rupert Sheldrake.
heron stone
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.au>,
Stephen Calder <cal...@in.com.au> wrote:
> heron stone wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>Have you studied General Semantics?
> >
> >
> > .you bet i have... ak s&s
>
>
> S&S?
>
> You would also be interested, I believe, in the works of Stanislav Grof,
> Michael Talbot and Rupert Sheldrake.
.yes, i know
.i'm vaguely familiar with grof, a little more so with sheldrake
and have heard of talbot but haven't read him
.unforntunately, my list of interesting-things-to-explore grows
faster than i can deal with
heron stone
> had a hypoglycaemic episode in which I've lost consciousness and
> needed to be taken to a hospital for recovery are very few (I could
> count them on one hand) but each time there has been, during the
> recovery process, a time when my consciousness is kinda there, kinda
> not there. I'm aware but not completely aware, but the thing that
> I notice most about that 'waking' moment is that it is preceded by
> a couple of minutes (it feels like minutes but might only be seconds)
> of absolutely none of that filtering you mention. I am bombarded
> with input from every sense; smells, sounds, feelings, tastes, all
> of them flashing into my awareness completely beyond my control,
> one after the other. And then, it's like a switch is flicked and
> I regain 'control' of what I can shift my awareness to.
>
> It's a very frightening thing to experience at the time, but very
> fascinating to wonder about and contemplate when I'm back to normal.
.thanks for sharing that
.that's a great little tidbit of info
.if only i knew what to do with it
?do you skype
?would you be open to discussing this phenomenon
with me
.i'd be really interested in hearing more details
about this
.i think it's fascinating and potentially important...
if we could figure how it fits with other data
points
.of course, from my perspective, it probably has
something to do with the language machine
kicking in
heron
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