Curriculum "poll"
Kimberly
Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
(I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
year.)
1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
5. What ages of children do you hs?
6. How long have you been hs'ing?
Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have a
high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
nosey! ;)
7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
8. What state/country do you live in?
TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been really
helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
Kimberly
Daisy Déry
"Kimberly" <km...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next
year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
>
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
If you call Montessori a curriculum, I guess, yes. Well, not quite:
workbooks that the kids want, too.
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
Montessori. Also buy workbooks that are found here and there.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
I only plan on using Montessori for a good while.
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
Montessori encompasses everything.
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
Dd is almost 5, ds is almost 2. I hs'ed someone else's 5yo this past year. I
am looking for 1 or 2 new kids to hs come Sept. Unless the parents have a
specific curriculum in mind, I would use Montessori.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
Since dd was born. ;-)
> Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
> reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have
a
> high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
> setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
> nosey! ;)
>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Bachelor of Education.
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Alberta, Canada.
Daisy
Papa Koca
> Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
Oh goodie! A poll! We haven't done one of those around here for a
*long* time.
Wow! I'm surprised no one has told you the "secret of successful
home education." But I've discovered that most newbies (and some
others) just don't or won't believe it, and most authors won't tell
you because it doesn't sell books.
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
Uh, no. I don't believe there is a "magic pill" - see next question.
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
I cannot remember them all - Christ Centered, BJU, A-O, A Beka, most
are subject specific. However we tailor each one, and if its just
*not working* we change it, immediately (and that's hard to do after
you've spent "big bucks" on it) - see next question.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
The Biblically based ones that work for each child with regard to
his specific calling and learning style. For an explanation about
what that means see this website:
http://www.wincrafting.com/Default.htm
Particularly section II. (Note, he should update it more often -
really, its well past February 19th, 2001.)
However, for "wich" subjects, I prefer the beach and its associated
sand.
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
If we did, we would. ;-) But seriously, we look to see that the
teaching material is first in consonance with the Bible.
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
:-) Currently? Nine and six. But we have a two year old coming up.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
Eighteen years (we graduated the 26, 24, and 22 year olds some time
back). And we are looking at another sixteen more at least. Its
what we consider our first career, all the rest is just supportive
"fluff."
> Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
> reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have a
> high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
> setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
> nosey! ;)
Oh I encourage curiosity. Its how we find out about the world
around us.
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
I have a Masters degree and am currently pursuing a Doctorate. Sort
of blows that theory out of the water (sorry guys - explosive humor,
just can't get rid of it).
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Some would call it the "Peoples Republik of Kalifornia." But I like
to consider it my little portion of Paradise. Its a military town
in the middle of a desert. No real work for most "Liberals" and
definitely too hot for them. A veritable island of conservatism in
a sea of entitlement mentality.
> TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been really
> helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
> other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
> Kimberly
Hobbies! They are a notorious hotbed of contention! Their "my way
or the highway" position on how to do certain techniques can get to
be rather wearisome after it degenerates to name calling.
--
Papa Koca - SAHD to 6 - A career home-educator
Keeper of the Perpetual Kindergarten
Change scrap to scape, and com to net (twice), or see the website
http://homepage.mac.com/papakoca/
Dalene Barnes
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
No....very mixed combination
>
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
Bob Jones for math, Easy Grammar, A Reason for Spelling, Writing
Strands, Vocabulary from Classical Roots, History & Science in a co-op,
using a combination of things, supplemented with our own combination at home
(many hours of in the field studies for botany and wildlife habitat);
reading of classics, biographies (complimenting both science and history);
and historical fiction; home-ec = planning and cooking meals and helping
with housework, learning to sew; shop = helping dad build the deer blind and
work on the car; good citizenship = work on local campaigns, trips to the
capitol to "lobby;" attending the local police "Junior Police Academy;" P.E.
= home school basketball team, regular tennis games, swimming, roller
blading with other home school families, competitive softball;
HOWEVER...even though I've never read a Charlotte Mason book, many people
who adhere to her style inform me that I do, too. We try and have "school"
time in the morning, leaving the afternoon open for life and all it
encompasses....projects the girls discover, special interest work, volunteer
time in the community, time with friends, unscheduled play time (amazing
what even teens can do to occupy themselves when not directed!)
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
See above. After 6 years, we're very comfortable with our current
plan.
>
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
See above.
>
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
11, 13, 14, all girls!
>
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
We are starting our 7th year of "offical" homeschooling, as our
girls were in a private school before that.
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Me - 2 years of college, Hubby - Masters' Degree in Management
Information Systems with minor in Adult Education
>
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Texas, USA
Bowe-Rahming
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> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next
year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
>
awhile - had computer difficulties:-)
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
putting together my own "curriculum" by using various textbooks and child
interest.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
used Abeka before. I would venture to say that I do not have a preference.
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
>
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
> Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
> reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have
a
> high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
> setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
> nosey! ;)
>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
> I know I am kind of a newbie as well but I hope this helps. A little
newbie advice, enjoy it!!!:-)
Shalom and Grace
Nicole
>
>
Amommynous
"Kimberly" <km...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next
year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
>
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
I did in the beginning and it was a helpful start. Many people have used a
curriculum to get started, but after learning the general idea of teaching,
have ventured off to find the best way for them to do. There are many
curriculums out there and some are better for the parent or student than
others.
>
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
My first year I used Calvert, a complete curriculum. I did not like it for
first grade, which I hear is a common feeling, but the older grades get
better.
After that, I tried Scott Foresman/Addison Wesley for LA and Math and liked
them fairly well. When my got to the third grade he became bored with the
stories in the reading books that came with the program and the math text
book was intimidating.
Fourth grade I used Learning Literature Through Language Arts (LLTLA) and I
like it very well, although we haven't finished it yet. I put it aside
because of other reading projects going on, but will be getting back to it
sometime soon. It requires reading of some of the classics, which are
proven more interesting to young readers. For math used Alpha Omega, which
has no text, but 10 workbooks. Much better than the text. SFAW math was a
good curriculum, I just needed a better approach for my 9 yo.
I've used the same curriculum at my 7yo's level and it's been as syccessfyk,
>
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
See above. So far I like LLTLA very well. I liked SFAW until my son got
bored with the stories and resisted the text. Now that he's older I might
try going back to it. At some point he will have to get used to text books.
>
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
Usually. I have purchased a complete curriculum workbook now being
published by McGraw-Hill. My plan is to use them next year, so I have not
used them yet. It has the entire lesson plans for all subjects (except PE)
laid out in it. It includes LA, math, science and SS, worksheets,
references, EVERYTHING...It's basically a well-planned format with a
schedule. It's a full year's ENTIRE curriculum for less than $50. I will
need to get some materials and perhaps visit the library for reading
material, but it looks very easy to use and economical. It is called, Home
Education Curriculum, and should be easy to find. If you did a search for
McGraw-Hill, you will find a website that offers this and many other
teaching resourses by this reputable company.
Getting back to the question, my son is reading books about Thomas
Jefferson, Daniel Boone, the Wright Brothers, and more at his reading level.
He does this independently then sometimes tells me about some events in the
book. He probably knows more about history than I do. I wasn't a reader at
his age and still don't absorb history unless it's presented in an
entertaining way.
>
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
This next year will be 10yo 5th gr, 8yo 3rd, 6yo 1st. I'll also have a 4yo
who is bright and I will preschool her, and have a 2yo to entertain.
>
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
4 years. + my first son's kindergarten year, so I guess 5 officially.
>
> Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
> reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have
a
> high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
> setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
> nosey! ;)
>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Graduated high school, after I dropped out for 2 years and then dropped back
in. Then I attempted Jr. college for a year, but had no clear goal, so I
quit wasting my dad's money. ;-)
>
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Currently, Alaska. USA
>
> TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been
really
> helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
> other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
> Kimberly
Good luck on your homeschooling! You might try that Homeschool Education
Curriculum. I looks like a very good outline and is inexpensive for
including ALL areas of study. Have fun!
Scott Bryce
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
No. And most homeschoolers don't after their second year of
homeschooling.
> 2. What curriculum/curricula do you use?
Spelling Power. Saxon Math. Building Thinking Skills. Greek
Alphabaterian. Various historical fiction. Start Write. Alpha Phonics.
My MathWork website. Truth Quest history. Drawing Textbook by Bruce
McIntyre. Whatever Happened to Penny Candy? Others as the mood hits us.
Denise may list more.
We use an ecclectic/classical approach.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for which subjects?
See above.
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
12, 10, 7, 6, 3, 11 months.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
12 years.
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Mom: 1 1/2 years of college. Dad: Tech School
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Utah.
Kimberly
this newsgroup blows the stats out of the water.... I also went to college.
Seems most of us have or have at least attempted it.
Thanks for all the answers on curriculums. I actually went to college for
elementary ed but didn't finish my student teaching (frustrated with all the
rules and regs - stupid to quit that close to graduation but I was young and
not thinking properly.) I am using Abeka this year (as it has a nice
kinderg package) I want to supplement and use more tailoring next year....
My oldest LOVES art/crafts/etc and I would love to foster his desire to
draw/paint. Anyone have any good ideas on that??? Especially for such a
young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be perfect.
Thanks again!!
Kimberly
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Jayne Kulikauskas
Kimberly wrote:
>
> Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
>
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
no. I did this our first year.
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
I've used a lot of different things over the years. We are using very
little formal teaching material right now.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
We use Sing,Spell, Read and Write for beginning language arts. We use
Math-U-See for math.
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
>
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
This past year it was a 15yo, 6yo and 4yo. In September, I'm trying
sending the 6 yo (now 7yo) to school for French immersion. I'll see how
it goes.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
I started about 12 years ago.
> Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
> reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have a
> high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
> setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
> nosey! ;)
>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Master of Divinity.
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Canada
> TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been really
> helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
> other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
> Kimberly
You are welcome.
Jayne
Scott Bryce
> My oldest LOVES art/crafts/etc and I would love to foster his desire to
> draw/paint. Anyone have any good ideas on that??? Especially for such a
> young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
> now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be perfect.
There is a program called How Great Thou Art. Does anyone know much
about it? My 7yo daughter is the same way. We would love to work with
her on her art skills as well.
--Scott
Kimberly
> > young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
> > now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be
perfect.
>
> There is a program called How Great Thou Art. Does anyone know much
> about it? My 7yo daughter is the same way. We would love to work with
> her on her art skills as well.
>
> --Scott
That is the one I've been looking at... I like that it seems bible based
but I know nothing about it....
Kimberly
Ted Shoemaker
You have asked the kind of question where, if you ask 3 people, you will
get 5 opinions.
My own answers are interleaved with your questions . . . .
Kimberly wrote:
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
No.
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
Too many to name just one of them.
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
What works for one child doesn't work well for another, even in the same
family.
The ones I like best are the ones I've put together myself. That takes
a lot of
time and effort, though, and can't be done every time.
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
Our kids are ages 12, 10, 8, and 7.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
We have home-schooled them continuously from the beginning.
However, we supplement, which means (among other things) taking
them to swimming lessons, Chemistry, etc, through the city.
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Wisconsin, USA.
Ted Shoemaker
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Daisy Déry
> draw/paint. Anyone have any good ideas on that??? Especially for such a
> young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
> now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be
perfect.
I don't have any suggestions for painting, but for drawing I discovered a
wonderful (secular) book called "Drawing with Children" by Mona Brooks. It
tells you step by step everything you need to do with the child. Although
it's aimed at adults, mainy parents/teachers doing the program with kids
find that they improve dramatically as well.
Daisy
Nancy Manos
> My oldest LOVES art/crafts/etc and I would love to foster his desire to
> draw/paint. Anyone have any good ideas on that??? Especially for such a
> young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
> now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be
perfect.
"Scott Bryce" <sbr...@singlepoint.net> wrote
> There is a program called How Great Thou Art. Does anyone know much
> about it? My 7yo daughter is the same way. We would love to work with
> her on her art skills as well.
>
> --Scott
I don't know too much about How Great Thou Art, but I do have "Little
Annie's Art Book of Etiquette & Good Manners" which is from the authors of
How Great Thou Art. This book is strongly Bible-based and full of lessons
with art projects that have to do with children's social graces in different
settings. It includes art activities on perspective, the color wheel,
drawing a still life, lettering, etc.
Another art resource we've been using is Art Adventures at Home (A
Curriculum Guide for Home Schools) by Pattye Carlson and M. Jean Soyke. The
basic concepts taught in this curriculum are line, shape/form, color, and
texture. There are units on drawing, print-making, painting, sculpture and
crafts (weaving, sand painting, etc.).
And for Art History/Art Appreciation, I'd highly recommend a book called
Discovering Great Artists by MaryAnn Kohl and Kim Solga. It's a book of
hands-on art for children in the styles of the Great Masters. There's a
brief biography of each artist and a corresponding art project for each
lesson. Chapter 1 is Renaissance & Post Renaissance. Chapter 2 is
Impressionists & Post Impressionists. Chapter 3 is Expressionists,
Abstract, Abstract-Expressionists, Cubists, Dadaists & Surrealists. Chapter
4 is Pop, Op, Folk, Modern, Cartoonists, Photojournalists & Children's Book
Illustrators. Chapter 5 is Games and Child-Made Activities. There are 110
art activities in this book and it is geared for children ages 4-12. My
girls really enjoy this one!
Nancy
Nancy Manos
Kimberly wrote:
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
We did use a packaged curriculum the first year and a half or so (A Beka)
but after getting my bearings, discovered that the ecclectic approach worked
better for us. As others have said, many families do start out with a
packaged curriculum and then grow to try a variety of resources that work
best for them.
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for which subjects?
MATH: Math-U-See
GRAMMAR: Easy Grammar, Daily Grams
SPELLING: Spelling Power
CURSIVE: various Bible verses
ART/ART HISTORY: Art Adventures at Home, Discovering Great Artists
WORLD HISTORY: Greenleaf Guide to Old Testament History, Diana Waring's
Ancient Civilizations & the Bible, Old Testament Days activity guide,
various biographies
SCIENCE: We're doing several unit studies ... the human body, mammals,
reptiles, insects and weather. Resources we're using include: How Does God
Do That?, Considering God's Creation, Giant Science Resource Book, and
Lyrical Life Science.
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
We don't use one packaged curriculum, but we do supplement other areas of
study. The girls take piano lessons and are learning music theory and
performance through that. Our oldest (10 y.o.) takes ballet, tap and jazz.
We do creative writing, field trips, and pretty much study whatever
interests us at any given time :-) I've hosted a Writer's Club for home
schoolers here at my home. We participate in library programs. And we
recently spent several months taking sign language classes from a deaf home
schooling mom that lives in our area.
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
Our girls are ages 10 and 8.
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
This is our 6th year of "structured" schooling, but of course we've been
home schooling since they were born so almost 11 years <g>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
I'm a high school graduate. My husband graduated from college with a
bachelor's degree in computer science.
> 8. What state/country do you live in?
Arizona, USA
Have a great day!
Nancy
susabean
Hi Kim....here's my 50c worth.....intertwined with your questions.
"Kimberly" <km...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
(I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
year.)
1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
I have always been somewhat ecclectic. Never used an exclusive curriculum.
2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
I have used for phonics: Alphabet Island which was great for older
child....so-so with younger...tried Teach Your Child To Read in 100 Easy
Lessons and must be the only person in the world who HATED it...we are
currently using Explode the Code and some Horizons Phonics with the
youngest. I have used Five in A Row, which I ADORE and recommend highly to
anyone with younger children. www.fiveinarow.com and this year we are using
Learning Language Arts Through Literature for the 9 year old. We used
Spelling Workout for spelling, and will be using Wordly Wise for vocabulary,
Easy Grammar for Grammar, A Reason For Handwriting for handwriting..plus we
do dictation, narraration and copywork from time to time. We used English
for the Thoughtful Child last year and LOVED it. My nine year old reads at
about a 7-8th grade level, so she really likes language arts. My 6 year old
hates language arts, and we have used every phonics program known to man I
think until we settled on Explode the Code. She seems to enjoy or is at
least willing to try this one. For math we started with Horizons, dumped it
for Saxon, and now I use a combo of Saxon, drill, and some Modern Curriculum
Press stuff. For Geography, we do nothing formal, but play games with the
maps at dinner (they hang on our kitchen wall) and look up EVERY country we
read/hear about. For History we use real books, field trips, and a few
books such as Light and Glory, Sound Forth the Trumpet, From Sea to Shining
Sea, A Child's Story of America, etc. For Science we use Considering God's
Creation, Backyard Scientist, and the library. We do a lot of writing in
the form of letters, narration, reports, etc. We use several bible
study/devotionals that we like for Bible, and this past year, I have
concentrated on things such as Fruit of the Spirit, Armour of God, etc. For
Art we draw, we get library books out about famous artists and then attempt
to create something in the spirit of their "style", we go to the art museum
on "free" day, and we try and identify art work when we see it without
looking at the artist's name. My dd's can identify works by Cassatt,
Matisse, Van Gogh and Degas just by our doing this. For music, we take out
cds of a particular artist (I try and link it historically to something that
we are reading..for example, if we are reading about the early 1900s I try
and find a musician popular in that time period..) and we find children's
biographies on that artist. We also were in a co-op this year that had
music and art. We also do lots of nature walks in the summer, watch movies
wehn applicable, and rely on our library IMMENSELY.
3. Which curriculums do you like best and for which subjects?
see above. I have found out that if a curriculum does NOT work, for
whatever reason, it is better to stop using it instead of using something
that does not work.
4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
I suppliment EVERYTHING. We school very informally....(interpretation..mom
is not as organized as she would like to be!!)
5. What ages of children do you hs?
I have girls, ages 6 and 9.
6. How long have you been hs'ing?
Since the beginning.
Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have a
high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
nosey! ;)
7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
I have a bachelor's degree in social work.
8. What state/country do you live in?
Maryland, USA.
TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been really
helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
Kimberly
hope this helps!
Blessings,
Tammy--
Every experience God gives us, every person he puts in our lives, is the
perfect preparation for the future that only he can see.
Corrie Ten Boom
www.pictureparables.com
Nancy Manos
"susabean" <susa...@qis.net> wrote
> ... tried Teach Your Child To Read in 100 Easy
> Lessons and must be the only person in the world who HATED it...
LOL Tammy!
We tried Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons and disliked it also.
Just wanted to let you know you're not alone in the world <g>
Nancy
Furious Shepherd
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A friend (and art teacher) from South Africa suggested a book called "Khula
Udweba - A handbook about teaching art to children." They sent me a copy
and the book is fantastic. It covers everything from painting and collage to
sculpture and puppet making.
I've found many references to the book on the web but I didn't find it on
Amazon. I anyone is interested, I can inquire as to cost and availability.
Furious Shepherd
Wayne
wrote in message <lyWW8.4126$cN3....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
>Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
>Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
>all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
>them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
>(I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
>year.)
>
>1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
We never went totally with one cirriculum. We used to use a fairly
even mixture of mostly Rod & Staff and A-Beka with other's. Now we use
mostly A-Beka but we are not committed to using them exclusively.
>
>2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
Mostly A-Beka.
We supplement algebra with Key Press workbooks.
http://www.keypress.com/catalog/products/key_to/Prod_KeyToAlgebra.html
Some subjects are taught through our homeschool support group.
Here's our daughter's 9th grade cirriculum:
http://members.aol.com/selah1998/cirriculum.htm
>
>3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
Rod & Staff was great for teaching grammer.
>
>4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
Music & Art was often "farmed out" to more qualified teachers.
>
>5. What ages of children do you hs?
Currently one 15 yo daughter
>
>6. How long have you been hs'ing?
Just completed year 7.
1st four years had both daughters being homeschooled. Our oldest is
currently enrolled in a Christian school.
>
>Now these last two are really just out of curiosity for me - I've been
>reading books about hs'ing and I've heard that most hs teachers only have a
>high school education so I wanted to see if that holds true in this
>setting - and then the question about what state you live in is just to be
>nosey! ;)
>
>7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Me --- High School / VoTech .College dropout, 1st year.
DW --- Associate Business Degree
>8. What state/country do you live in?
Pennsylvania
>
>TIA for taking the time to answer these questions!!! You've all been really
>helpful and kind so far and that is greatly appreciated!! (I'm on a few
>other newsgroups for hobbies and they are a lot less friendly!!)
>Kimberly
Wayne
Wayne D. Schissler
http://members.aol.com/selah1998/
schisslerATenterDOTnet
lynn
>1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
no. for the first couple of years, we did Christian liberty, which
used a mixture of Clp, abeka, and mcp. after i got comfortable, we
went on our own.
>2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
reason for writing, rod and staff (english), saxon (math), abeka
(science and history), Christian liberty (supplemental reading,
spelling, Bible), and lots of books and videos from the library.
>3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
rod and staff has a solid english program that my son could handle
much better than bob jones or abeka. Christian liberty is great in
history readers. saxon is wonderful at math, although i've had a
tough time doing it in the third grade.
>5. What ages of children do you hs?
i have a 13 year old, a nine year old, and am doing pre-pre-pre school
with a 10 month old.
>
>6. How long have you been hs'ing?
six years. doesn't make me a veteran or anything. just when i think
i have it all figured out, along comes middle school!
lynn
TEACHES
> Since I'm a newbie to all this (and actually going to start lessons on
> Monday to the excitement of my oldest) I'm wondering what curriculums you
> all use. So... here are some questions and if you don't mind answering
> them I'd appreciate it to help me out as I prepare and learn for next year!!
> (I've purchased an entire curriculum for kinderg for my son for this first
> year.)
>
> 1. Do you use ONE entire curriculum for your hs?
>
> 2. What curriculum/curriculums do you use?
Curricula, not curriculums, right? Too many to list them all. Here's
a partial list: Saxon Math (except for HS Geometry), Saxon Phonics
K,1,2 (but we sometimes use other material, depends on the child), Rod
and Staff elementary English, various things by Christian Liberty and
Beautiful Feet, a variety of older textbooks we have picked up here
and there, Apologia (heavily augmented/supplimented to compensate for
its bias) for HS Science, HBJ HS grammar.
>
> 3. Which curriculums do you like best and for wich subjects?
Kind of answered in the preceding question. The educational program is
learning driven, not curriculum driven. We make adjustments in an
attempt to optimize effectiveness for each child.
>
> 4. If you use ONE curriculum do you supplement other areas of study?
n/a
>
> 5. What ages of children do you hs?
of legal school age: 5,7,9,10,14,15; we also have a 1 year old who, of
course, we also teach.
>
> 6. How long have you been hs'ing?
7 years
>
> 7. What is the highest level of education YOU have received?
Master of Science
Daisy Déry
Daisy
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Amommynous
Instruction Institute. I started that when I became an adult. I wanted to
start it when I was 16, and should have, but my mom didn't think I'd follow
through with it and I had to have parental permission at that age. It's not
Christian-based, but is a good correspondence program.
Amom..
"Kimberly" <km...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Amommynous
> of legal school age: 5,7,9,10,14,15; we also have a 1 year old who, of
> course, we also teach.
I will be praying for your sanity. ;-P
Amom..
Amommynous
-Explode the Code
-Modern Curriculum Press
-Word Study
-Phonics
-Spelling
-Read and Understand-Stories and Activities
-Math-It
-Various math games
-Flash cards, both for math and phonics
-Hooked on Phonics-I recommend this.
-this came with Your Reading Power, reading cards with questions to
answer about what the child read. A very good program.
-Vocabulary Enrichment
-Daily Language Review
-Various other LA workbooks that teach more specific areas, such as
homophones, writing skills, The 5 W's, etc.
-Discover the Wonder, a Scott Foresman science program
-Various arts and crafts books and teaching children art and drawing books.
-I've grabbed some of those math curriculum workbooks from the grocery store
as a guide for what to teach for my kid's age level before. They usually
have only one lesson and practice page, so more practice has to be added,
but the kids have responded well to them because they are interesting.
-There are workbooks which are book studies. I've gotten the Old Yeller
book study (we've yet to use it) and some others. One is Dr. Suess for the
younger kids' interest. They are similar to the LLTLA idea, but
specifically follow one book.
Basically whatever has looked interesting to me and I can picture myself
teaching, and if it is something I'm concerned about covering at the time.
Why so many different sources? I figure the kids get bored so easily doing
the same thing day after day, week after week, so I change the pace to keep
it interesting. ;-)
Hope this helps you. I'd imagine the more we can help you to know what's
available the better. It's a lot of work sorting through, trying this and
that, and deciding what you like, but if you know what's out there, you at
least have a fair chance to find what you like.
Amom..
MaG Douglas
>
> My oldest LOVES art/crafts/etc and I would love to foster his desire to
> draw/paint. Anyone have any good ideas on that??? Especially for such a
> young age? (He's been drawing realistic people -better than I can even
> now - since he was 2!!!) Something that is bible centered would be
perfect.
My son (he was 7 at the time) and I signed up for an art class that was
being given during the day. Although I had already had plenty of art classes
and would be thoroughly familiar with what was being taught I thought it
would be a fun thing to do together. The teacher thought my son was with me
because I didn't have anyone to take care of him (I never mentioned the 3
other children who were at a friend's house), so the teacher didn't take him
seriously, at first. Once he started drawing the teacher took much more
interest in him. Perhaps he thought he had a budding Michelangelo on his
hands. ;) Anyway, it was a fantastic introduction into art for my son.
Although that son doesn't have a strong interest in pursuing the creation of
what one typically thinks of as art, he appreciates the creative efforts
that go into artworks. (And, if he were so inclined he could still draw on
his knowledge to create "artwork.")
MaG
Ted Shoemaker
Furious Shepherd wrote:
>
> A friend (and art teacher) from South Africa suggested a book called "Khula
> Udweba - A handbook about teaching art to children." They sent me a copy
> and the book is fantastic. It covers everything from painting and collage to
> sculpture and puppet making.
>
> I've found many references to the book on the web but I didn't find it on
> Amazon. I anyone is interested, I can inquire as to cost and availability.
I am interested in the book you mentioned; probably others are too.
Would you mind posting the info about it?
Thanks.
Ted Shoemaker
TEACHES wrote:
>
> Apologia (heavily augmented/supplimented to compensate for
> its bias)
For those of us who have not seen Apologia, can you tell us
what bias you're talking about? Someone has recommended
Apologia to me, and I'd appreciate your thoughts.
AND ABOUT BIASES . . . .
I haven't yet seen a curriculum, or a person,
that doesn't have a bias. To avoid all biases, you'd
have to avoid all human influence, including your own.
That obviously isn't possible. The question then becomes
either "Which biases am I willing to tolerate?"
or "How do I discern and respond to the biases?"
That is to say, I hope that Kimberly (the original poster)
wouldn't be put off too quickly by any curriculum.
Plink! Plink! My two cents.
Dalene Barnes
> TEACHES wrote:
>>
>> Apologia (heavily augmented/supplimented to compensate for
>> its bias)
>
For those of us who have not seen Apologia, can you tell us
> what bias you're talking about? Someone has recommended
> Apologia to me, and I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>
> AND ABOUT BIASES . . . .
> I haven't yet seen a curriculum, or a person,
> that doesn't have a bias. To avoid all biases, you'd
> have to avoid all human influence, including your own.
> That obviously isn't possible. The question then becomes
> either "Which biases am I willing to tolerate?"
> or "How do I discern and respond to the biases?"
>
I have been checking into Apologia also, and from what I've seen, it is very
"biased" with a strong, Biblical view point interwoven into all the
textbooks.
http://www.highschoolscience.com/
will lead to links with samples from the textbooks, in every grade level.
Hope this is helpful!
Joyful day,
Dalene
Furious Shepherd
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Ted,
My copy of the book was published in 1996 by:
Nolwazi Educational Publishers (Pty) Ltd
PO Box 32718
Braamfontein
2017 Gauteng
South Africa
Here is a brief summary from the U of Penn website...
"Khula Udweba is a phrase which means "draw as you grow or grow as you
draw." It is the name of an art project designed to develop art education
for children in Diepkloof, South Africa. This book explains the 36 art
techniques that were used in the project and includes black and white as
well as color reproductions of the children's art work. Classes were
generally organized around themes (e.g. Myself, My environment, The City).
American educators will find this a useful source for studying children's
art in South Africa and for teaching art classes."
I may scan and upload a few pages for your review. I'll also ask for a
price.
TEACHES
Too late for that ;)
P.S. we are also expecting our eighth in October.
TEACHES
Roger your comments about bias. Bias in unavoidable, and I didn't mean
to say it is a bad thing. I brought this matter up obliquely about a
year ago, but not everybody who is here now was here then. When I
said bias, it was shorthand for the kind of thing I will try to
communicate in the following:
First of all, I did not mean to diss on Apologia. The fact that I use
it shows that I think it has merit. Here are some of the good things
I have observed about these books:
1. They are very engagingly written; the children enjoy reading them.
That is very important.
2. The labs and other hands-on stuff are extremely well done and
highly compatible with the hs environment.
3. They are written from a Christian perspective. Note that I said
this is a good thing! Most contemporary science textbooks are written
from an apparent atheistic, naturalistic perspective. The Apologia
books provide a healthy balance.
But, although I use these books, I heavily supplement because:
1. There is some emphasis on science as an apologetic. While science
can be used in this way, this is more an application of science. I
like to think of science as a way of organizing observations into
models of the universe. Such models are useful tools in helping us to
think about empirical observations. They are also often quite useful
in making predictions. But I try to help my children understand the
difference between models and truth. Ptolemy had a great model of
planetary motion that was also quite useful. But I think most of us
(I hope) don't believe that his model is true. Evolutionists have
models too. These are also sometimes quite useful (e.g. look for oil
among the Devonian deposits), but not true.
I do not believe that truth can be arrived at by purely empirical
means. The claim to truth is restricted to the propositions of the
Scriptures, and that which can be logically deduced from them. As
Spurgeon once said "defend the Bible? I'd sooner defend a lion!" But
empiricism is an entirely different matter. You can take empirical
observations and interpret them in lots of ways. A Christian may
interpret a set of observations entirely differently than a
non-Christian. But as long as you remember that both are merely
synthesizing theory based on observations and you understand the
presuppositions involved, there is nothing to fear from looking at
anybody's model. You cannot assume any model (even those made by
Christians) based on observations is true.
To his credit, Dr. Wile (the author of the Apologia books I have seen)
goes to considerable pains to bring this out; I am very grateful for
that. But I supplement because I want my children to have a broader
exposure to the different kinds of scientific models, the conclusions
all kinds of people make from them, and how they are used.
2. In light of the above, I want my children to be as fully literate
as possible in the science of their day. For example, while I
decidedly don't want them to believe that they are descended from
different animal species by means of an evolutionary process, I do
want them to have a good understanding of the various theories
involving evolution that are out there. I want them to know what
those who advance such theories say about them as well as those who
discount them. Remember that the underlying understanding is that
these are only models with no claim to truth. In this I hope that my
children will have a better (but no less complete) science education
than those who are taught from the perspective of the prevailing
worldviews wherein scientific models are asserted to be true (at least
as true as true gets in those worldviews). I hope that my children
will be able to understand what is being talked about when they hear
such things discussed without laboring under the delusion that truth
is somehow at stake.
Paul
-hoping this isn't too controversial, even though I used the E word
three times!
Dalene Barnes
> 2. In light of the above, I want my children to be as fully literate
> as possible in the science of their day. For example, while I
> decidedly don't want them to believe that they are descended from
> different animal species by means of an evolutionary process, I do
> want them to have a good understanding of the various theories
> involving evolution that are out there. I want them to know what
> those who advance such theories say about them as well as those who
> discount them. Remember that the underlying understanding is that
> these are only models with no claim to truth. In this I hope that my
> children will have a better (but no less complete) science education
> than those who are taught from the perspective of the prevailing
> worldviews wherein scientific models are asserted to be true (at least
> as true as true gets in those worldviews). I hope that my children
> will be able to understand what is being talked about when they hear
> such things discussed without laboring under the delusion that truth
> is somehow at stake.
>
Ditto! This is a very good summary of a discussion Chris and I were having
the other day. We in no way want our children ignorant as to what other
theories, believes, religions, and lifestyles are out there. What we were
"discussing" was the appropriate age, way, and method of teaching/exposing
them to what may/may not be necessary. Family example....my oldest sister
is a member of a (well-known and accepted) cult (as I define it...they don't
obviously). Had we been taught ANYTHING about other religious viewpoints,
doctrine, etc., she may have made a more well-founded decision based on
something other than help with her garden and a pot luck dinner. As it was,
she took no more than a cursury look at foundational beliefs, looked only at
"works" and social standing, and jumped in.
Dalene
Ted Shoemaker
TEACHES wrote:
>
> When I
> said bias, it was shorthand for the kind of thing I will try to
> communicate in the following:
What you wrote sounds pretty good!
> First of all, I did not mean to diss on Apologia.
You didn't diss anybody. You don't write like someone who
has a grudge against Apologia. As you said, you like it
enough to use it.
Amommynous
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Doh! You know what my husband's acquaintances say about me when they hear
we have five kids? They say I must either be crazy or stupid. I've
sometimes wondered...
c(-;}
Amom..
Papa Koca
Our children are 26, 24, 22, 9, 6, and 2. Too many times to count,
someone has nosily asked if we knew what "caused" it. I still look
them square in the face and say, "Sure, its that old second washing
machine's fault. After it broke down, we had to start washing our
underwear together." The look on their face is enough to let me
know that they "got it!"
--
Papa Koca - SAHD to 6 - A career home-educator
Keeper of the Perpetual Kindergarten
Change scrap to scape, and com to net (twice), or see the website
http://homepage.mac.com/papakoca/
Kimberly
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----Or extremely blessed. :)
Kimberly
>
Jon Houts
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Nancy Manos wrote:
> "susabean" <susa...@qis.net> wrote
> > ... tried Teach Your Child To Read in 100 Easy
> > Lessons and must be the only person in the world who HATED it...
>
> LOL Tammy!
> We tried Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons and disliked it also.
Shhhhh! While going through boxes in the basement this week, I found my
copy. We're gonna give it a try regardless of what you two say! :)
but,but...
Jon
Nancy Manos
> > We tried Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons and disliked it
also.
Jon replied:
> Shhhhh! While going through boxes in the basement this week, I found my
> copy. We're gonna give it a try regardless of what you two say! :)
LOL Jon!!
Who knew this would be such an amusing topic? <wg>
Lots of people like this book and find it to be a useful resource. You go
right ahead and give it a try. :-)
Nancy
susabean
but GOOD things about it....so perhaps its more likely for you that it WILL
work than that it won't!
Hopefully,
tammy
--
Every experience God gives us, every person he puts in our lives, is the
perfect preparation for the future that only he can see.
Corrie Ten Boom
www.pictureparables.com
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Amommynous
I choose to believe that! ;-)
Amommynous
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> Amommynous wrote:
>
> > "TEACHES" <symb...@altavista.com> wrote in message
> > news:281ccac3.02071...@posting.google.com...
> >
> >>"Amommynous" <cwhughe...@gci.net> wrote in message
> >>
> > news:<uir5288...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> >>>>>5. What ages of children do you hs?
> >>>>>
> >>>>of legal school age: 5,7,9,10,14,15; we also have a 1 year old who, of
> >>>>course, we also teach.
> >>>>
> >>>I will be praying for your sanity. ;-P
> >>>
> >>>Amom..
> >>>
> >>Too late for that ;)
> >>
> >>P.S. we are also expecting our eighth in October.
> >>
> >
> > Doh! You know what my husband's acquaintances say about me when they
hear
> > we have five kids? They say I must either be crazy or stupid. I've
> > sometimes wondered...
> >
> > c(-;}
> > Amom..
> >
> >
> >
>
> Our children are 26, 24, 22, 9, 6, and 2. Too many times to count,
> someone has nosily asked if we knew what "caused" it. I still look
> them square in the face and say, "Sure, its that old second washing
> machine's fault. After it broke down, we had to start washing our
> underwear together." The look on their face is enough to let me
> know that they "got it!"
>
what causes it yet. I should have done that 10 years ago. I'd be rich.
Papa Koca
> "Papa Koca" <papa...@comscrap.com> wrote in message
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[...]
>>>
>>Our children are 26, 24, 22, 9, 6, and 2. Too many times to count,
>>someone has nosily asked if we knew what "caused" it. I still look
>>them square in the face and say, "Sure, its that old second washing
>>machine's fault. After it broke down, we had to start washing our
>>underwear together." The look on their face is enough to let me
>>know that they "got it!"
>>
>>
> I think I'll start charging a nickle everytime someone asks if we have heard
> what causes it yet. I should have done that 10 years ago. I'd be rich.
>
Personally, I'd rather be rich by heaven's standard than by the
world's. Point of View issue - Do they see children as a blessing
or a burden? If they see them as a burden, then you are crazy and
poor. If they are seen as a blessing (no matter how many), then you
are rich and a character builder.
Some of us must need more character building "blessings" than others
seem to need.
Ted Shoemaker
When people ask me, "Are all those your kids?" I answer, "Well, that's
all, so far!"
(We have four.)
Amommynous wrote:
>
> Doh! You know what my husband's acquaintances say about me when they hear
> we have five kids? They say I must either be crazy or stupid. I've
> sometimes wondered...
Kimberly
hassle but I feel extremely blessed to have the two sweeties that I have!!!!
Kimberly
Wendy Barker
> > > Too late for that ;)
> > >
> > > P.S. we are also expecting our eighth in October.
> >
> > Doh! You know what my husband's acquaintances say about me when they
hear
> > we have five kids? They say I must either be crazy or stupid. I've
> > sometimes wondered...
> >
> > c(-;}
> > Amom..
>
> ----Or extremely blessed. :)
>
> Kimberly
> >
>
Just my two cents... I have three boys, and last week I helped out with my
two nieces... well, anyway to make a shorter story, I took all five to the
fabric store and my middle son and his younger cousin were wreaking havoc
while I was looking for material to make pajamas for my youngest son. A
lady turned and looked at me and then at the children, and said "How do you
find time to sew ??? " I just said, "Amazing, isn't it?" without
explaining that they all weren't mine. :)
Somebody told me once that after three, you don't notice any more after
that. It's true.
Wendy
Chris Barnes
> Personally, I'd rather be rich by heaven's standard than by the
> world's. Point of View issue - Do they see children as a blessing
> or a burden? If they see them as a burden, then you are crazy and
> poor. If they are seen as a blessing (no matter how many), then you
> are rich and a character builder.
Who says it has to be the same for everyone? Personally, the thought of
having small children at my stage in life would send sudders of horror
down my spine. But if it sends chills of delight down someone else's,
then I'm happy for them.
Yes, I realize that having only 3 children puts us on the liberal fringe
of homeschoolers (half grin).
--
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Amommynous
yes. Unless we get into a better living situation, more wouldn't be a good
decision right now. There are enough people out there who wished the
could've had kids, or wished they could have had more kids and a big family,
that it reminds me how blessed we are. I'm sure God would provide if we had
another on the way. Maybe someday we'll have another. Just one more...a
girl...<sigh>
Amom..
"Ted Shoemaker" <shoema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Papa Koca
> Papa Koca <papa...@comscrap.com> wrote:
>
>>Personally, I'd rather be rich by heaven's standard than by the
>>world's. Point of View issue - Do they see children as a blessing
>>or a burden? If they see them as a burden, then you are crazy and
>>poor. If they are seen as a blessing (no matter how many), then you
>>are rich and a character builder.
>>
>
>
> Who says it has to be the same for everyone? Personally, the thought of
> having small children at my stage in life would send sudders of horror
> down my spine. But if it sends chills of delight down someone else's,
> then I'm happy for them.
>
> Yes, I realize that having only 3 children puts us on the liberal fringe
> of homeschoolers (half grin).
>
> --
<sigh> I *knew* someone would take umbrage with the quantity
comment, why did it have to be you? If I said that it had to be the
same for everyone (though I don't believe that I said or even
implied it), then let me rephrase to see if you still take umbrage.
In reference to the nosy people who are doing the asking, one must
look at their point of view. If *they* (the busybody - christian or
not - who's asking) see children as a burden, then you (the parent)
*regardless* of how many children you have, will be considered
crazy. Don't believe me? See this site:
http://www.btinternet.com/~nokidding/
(warning - not Dinky safe)
If they (the nosy person - christian or not - who is asking) see
children as a blessing, then *regardless* of how many children you
have, you will be seen as rich and one to build (and be built by)
character; or they have prurient interests for asking.
Have I made my point *regardless* of how many children you may have?
Did the man given 5 talents complain about the amount given to him
or the others? No, he went and did what he should with what was
given him. Did the man given 10 talents make disparaging comment on
how many talents were given the others? No mention of it in my
translations. Perhaps we should go and do likewise.
The following is my personal conviction (arrived at after much
reading of Scripture and prayer) and in no way to be considered
applicable to anyone else; though it is known to be shared by a few
other individuals (I suggest you ascertain your own convictions):
If - as the Bible says - children are a heritage of the Lord, then
who am I to refuse or cut off His gift(s)? (regardless of my age)
I suppose it boils down to "Who do you trust?" *
YMMV
*anyone remember that game show? or is my age showing again?
Jayne Kulikauskas
Papa Koca wrote:
> In reference to the nosy people who are doing the asking, one must
> look at their point of view. If *they* (the busybody - christian or
> not - who's asking) see children as a burden, then you (the parent)
> *regardless* of how many children you have, will be considered
> crazy. Don't believe me? See this site:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~nokidding/
>
> (warning - not Dinky safe)
I read a couple of the essays. They were highly illogical and
emotional. It bothers me to see such sloppy thinking.
Jayne - pleased to be a breeder.
Chris Barnes
> <sigh> I *knew* someone would take umbrage with the quantity
> comment, why did it have to be you? If I said that it had to be the
> same for everyone (though I don't believe that I said or even
> implied it), then let me rephrase to see if you still take umbrage.
I believe I got that impression from:
>>> Personally, I'd rather be rich by heaven's standard than by the
>>> world's. Point of View issue - Do they see children as a blessing
>>> or a burden? If they see them as a burden, then you are crazy and
>>> poor.
ie. they are 'poor' by heaven's standard if they don't have alot of
kids. Generally, I consider "heaven's standard" to be the same for
everyone.
Now if that's not what you meant, then no umbrage is taken.
> If - as the Bible says - children are a heritage of the Lord, then
> who am I to refuse or cut off His gift(s)? (regardless of my age)
I think that verse is speaking in generalities and not in an
'absolutely, this applies to everyone' case. By and large, children ARE
a blessing from the Lord. But as economics teaches us, the Law of
Diminishing Returns says that there can be too much of a good thing...
;-)
For some (few), that blessing is in excess at 1.
> *anyone remember that game show? or is my age showing again?
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Papa Koca
> Papa Koca <papa...@comscrap.com> wrote:
>
>> <sigh> I *knew* someone would take umbrage with the quantity
comment,
>> why did it have to be you? If I said that it had to be the same
>> for everyone (though I don't believe that I said or even implied
>> it), then let me rephrase to see if you still take umbrage.
>>
>
>
> I believe I got that impression from:
>>>> Personally, I'd rather be rich by heaven's standard than
>>>> by the world's. Point of View issue - Do they see
>>>> children as a blessing or a burden? If they see them as
>>>> a burden, then you are crazy and poor.
>
> ie. they are 'poor' by heaven's standard if they don't have alot
> of kids. Generally, I consider "heaven's standard" to be the
> same for everyone.
>
> Now if that's not what you meant, then no umbrage is taken.
Well, did you read what you snipped? If that didn't explain what I
meant, then I will yield to your interpretation, and leave it at that.
>
>
>
>> If - as the Bible says - children are a heritage of the Lord,
>> then who am I to refuse or cut off His gift(s)? (regardless
>> of my age)
>>
>
> I think that verse is speaking in generalities and not in an
'absolutely,
> this applies to everyone' case. By and large, children ARE a
> blessing from the Lord. But as economics teaches us, the Law of
Diminishing Returns says that there can be too much of a good thing...
> ;-)
>
> For some (few), that blessing is in excess at 1.
>
Please be careful in your editing. You have snipped my precursor
statement which explained that it was *MY* personal conviction and
attempted to attribute it as a general statement (or condemnation)
which I did not do. I will repeat it here, in full, to avoid confusion:
/begin PapaKoca Wrote/
>
> The following is my personal conviction (arrived at after much
> reading of Scripture and prayer) and in no way to be considered
> applicable to anyone else; though it is known to be shared by
> a few other individuals (I suggest you ascertain your own
> convictions):
>
> If - as the Bible says - children are a heritage of the Lord,
> then who am I to refuse or cut off His gift(s)? (regardless of
> my age)
>
> I suppose it boils down to "Who do you trust?"
/end PapaKoca Wrote/
See that part: "...in no way to be considered applicable to anyone
else?" I had included that to preclude exactly what you did. If
you're going to take umbrage, at least take umbrage with what I
actually said and not what it appears I said after you delete parts
of it. That is not a good method to win your debates.
I have beat the family size horse many times before. If you're
interested, try google and some of the very good books recommended
there.
Your Malthusian law of diminishing returns has no basis in Scripture
either. The Lord's ways are not man's ways.
And in my experience, people react to areas in which the Lord is
dealing with them specifically. Together, Jayne and I experienced
that in another thread some time back. I think we both grew from
that exchange. Obviously, I need to examine myself in this area.
YMMV
Nancy Manos
"Chris Barnes" <ch...@txbarnes.com> wrote
> By and large, children ARE
> a blessing from the Lord. But as economics teaches us, the Law of
> Diminishing Returns says that there can be too much of a good thing...
> ;-)
Just had to pipe in here and say that I'm glad that the "economy" of Heaven
isn't limited to the law of diminishing returns :-)
Nancy
TEACHES
It's kind of hard to imagine they are serious, but I think they are.
But one implication of their thinking is that they are in the process
of making themselves extinct!
I remember hearing a joke once about a pair of rabbits being chaced by
wolves. One turns to the other and says, shall we continue trying to
outrun them, or shall we just stop and outnumber them!
Paul
PS. 1980 census: 2, 1990 census: 4, 2000 census: 8, ... :)