A Magnetic Water Conditioner
Bobby H
Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home? I
have heard that they work well, but I've mostly heard this from people
who sell them, not from anybody actually using them. From what I
understand, they are ceramic magnets that clamp onto water lines in the
house.
I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who uses this type of
water conditioner. Thank you.
--
Bobby H
South Texas
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said
I didn't know."
--Mark Twain
Jim
They don't work. Don't waste your money.
H. Austin Hummel
In article <328149...@netxpress.com>, Bobby H <b...@netxpress.com> writes:
|> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home? I
|> have heard that they work well, but I've mostly heard this from people
|> who sell them, not from anybody actually using them. From what I
|> understand, they are ceramic magnets that clamp onto water lines in the
|> house.
|>
|> I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who uses this type of
|> water conditioner. Thank you.
|>
If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it ain't
taking any thing out of the water.
Nuff said. Con game.
--
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Austin Hummel email: h...@empros.com
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D Sparrow
Jim wrote:
>
> They don't work. Don't waste your money.
Did you try one? Are you speaking from personal experience in some
way? Please elaborate. They certainly don't SOUND like they should
work - scientific gobbledygook - but I keep hoping to hear from someone
who will say they tried it and it didn't work, and they either collected
on the money-back guarantee or got ripped off.
--
-- D Sparrow (dspa...@bigsky.net)
--"Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark."
-Robert Heinlein
Sam Goldwasser
> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home? I
> have heard that they work well, but I've mostly heard this from people
> who sell them, not from anybody actually using them. From what I
> understand, they are ceramic magnets that clamp onto water lines in the
> house.
> I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who uses this type of
> water conditioner. Thank you.
I don't use them but based on theory, they should be totally worthless
except to condition your money into the manufacturer's bank account.
--- sam
Bobby H
> |> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home?
> If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it
> ain't taking any thing out of the water. Nuff said. Con game.
Well, it might be, Austin, but I hope not, having just got it put in
today. Before putting it in, I talked to the editor of our county's
weekly newspaper, who had it done over a year ago, and she can't praise
it enough. It's got a 120-day money-back guarantee, and the fellow that
put it in is probably the most honest guy in Bandera County, so I'm not
worried about a refund if it comes to that, which I doubt.
To make a short story longer for the folks interested, the system
consists of two Strontium-ceramic magnets on the main water line and one
on the the hot-water heater.
Already, only about eight hours later, the brownish ring is
disappearing from the bottom of the sinks, and from the waterline in the
toilets. Before, my wife and I had to scrub the sinks and toilets with a
hard brush and Lime Away every three or four days to keep everything
white.
First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
were filled with frozen goop that looked like cinder blocks and were
harder to crack outta the trays than getting the meat out of a Brazil
nut. Now? Crystal clear ice cubes, popping out with barely a flick of a
wrist. It's like frozen water is supposed to be now instead of limestone
blocks, like before. I think we're finally going to be able to install
an ice-maker!
The fellow that installed it said that within a year, the mineral
deposits already in the pipes will dissolve, and I believe him for, as I
said, he's an honest guy and lying's not in him. Also, the lady I
mentioned before said that's what happened with her system.
We haven't tried out the soap bit yet, but he said it would cut the
use of soap for bathing and laundry in half or more. We have really hard
water here on Timbercreek Ranch--pure and clear and sweet as honey. But
we've been in a severe drought down here for well over a year and still
have to use a fibre-type, 5-micron house filter to take out the grit.
The Trinity aquifer's gone down about eighty feet, and we've been
getting a lotta grit for the past several months. But there are no
contaminates or pollution of any kind in the water so far. Still pure as
God made it.
But coming from a well sunk in a limestone cavern, you can figure the
water is going to be hard, clogging up the wire mesh in the house's taps
and shower heads, turning the water heater into a block of limestone.
And I don't know what else. Don't even want to think about what's in the
pipes. But if the conditioning system does what it's supposed to do, the
pipes will be clean in about a year or so.
Whatever--I know I'm sure pleased already, the sinks and toilets
already clearing up. And I've got good ice!
R. Kalia
In article <3282E7...@netxpress.com>, b...@netxpress.com
says...
>
> Well, it might be, Austin, but I hope not, having just got it put in
> Already, only about eight hours later, the brownish ring is
>disappearing from the bottom of the sinks, and from the waterline in the
>toilets. Before, my wife and I had to scrub the sinks and toilets with a
>hard brush and Lime Away every three or four days to keep everything
>white.
>
> First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
>were filled with frozen goop that looked like cinder blocks and were
>harder to crack outta the trays than getting the meat out of a Brazil
>nut. Now? Crystal clear ice cubes, popping out with barely a flick of a
>wrist. It's like frozen water is supposed to be now instead of limestone
>blocks, like before. I think we're finally going to be able to install
>an ice-maker!..
On 11/6, this guy posts a question asking if anyone knows about this
device. On 11/8, he's not only had one put in, but his static cling and
halitosis are gone, and his kids have started helping around the house.
Smell something fishy here? If nothing else, the language is
heavily overdone, more like advertising han a real person's report. I guess
he got carried away...
The problem is, science has gotten so complicated, the average Joe can't
figure out what's possible and what isn't. So presumably posts like these
help sales. And after all, the 'plug in and use your whole house wiring as
TV antenna' scam has been going strong for years.
Sam Goldwasser
A con artist responding to a con man? Where is the documentation?
Brown rings disappearing because of some fancy magnets? Give us a break.
--- sam
In article <3282E7...@netxpress.com> Bobby H <b...@netxpress.com> writes:
> |> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home?
> If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it
> ain't taking any thing out of the water. Nuff said. Con game.
Well, it might be, Austin, but I hope not, having just got it put in
today. Before putting it in, I talked to the editor of our county's
weekly newspaper, who had it done over a year ago, and she can't praise
it enough. It's got a 120-day money-back guarantee, and the fellow that
put it in is probably the most honest guy in Bandera County, so I'm not
worried about a refund if it comes to that, which I doubt.
To make a short story longer for the folks interested, the system
consists of two Strontium-ceramic magnets on the main water line and one
on the the hot-water heater.
Already, only about eight hours later, the brownish ring is
disappearing from the bottom of the sinks, and from the waterline in the
toilets. Before, my wife and I had to scrub the sinks and toilets with a
hard brush and Lime Away every three or four days to keep everything
white.
First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
were filled with frozen goop that looked like cinder blocks and were
harder to crack outta the trays than getting the meat out of a Brazil
nut. Now? Crystal clear ice cubes, popping out with barely a flick of a
wrist. It's like frozen water is supposed to be now instead of limestone
blocks, like before. I think we're finally going to be able to install
Jim K
> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home? I
> have heard that they work well, but I've mostly heard this from people
> who sell them, not from anybody actually using them. From what I
> understand, they are ceramic magnets that clamp onto water lines in the
> house.
>
> I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who uses this type of
> water conditioner. Thank you.
>
There are no such things as magnetic water softeners, but there are plenty
unscrupulous salesman.
Jim
Richard J. Kinch
Bobby H (b...@netxpress.com) wrote:
: Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home?
These are a lying swindle, and if you're selling them you're a crook.
Doug & Rose Miller
The original poster said he wanted to hear from people
who USE them -- not people who SELL them.
Bobby H <b...@netxpress.com> wrote:
+> |> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home?
+
+> If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it
+> ain't taking any thing out of the water. Nuff said. Con game.
+
+ Well, it might be, Austin, but I hope not, having just got it put in
+today. Before putting it in, I talked to the editor of our county's
+weekly newspaper, who had it done over a year ago, and she can't praise
+it enough. It's got a 120-day money-back guarantee, and the fellow that
+put it in is probably the most honest guy in Bandera County, so I'm not
+worried about a refund if it comes to that, which I doubt.
+
+ To make a short story longer for the folks interested, the system
+consists of two Strontium-ceramic magnets on the main water line and one
+on the the hot-water heater.
+
+ Already, only about eight hours later, the brownish ring is
+disappearing from the bottom of the sinks, and from the waterline in the
+toilets. Before, my wife and I had to scrub the sinks and toilets with a
+hard brush and Lime Away every three or four days to keep everything
+white.
+
+ First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
+were filled with frozen goop that looked like cinder blocks and were
+harder to crack outta the trays than getting the meat out of a Brazil
+nut. Now? Crystal clear ice cubes, popping out with barely a flick of a
+wrist. It's like frozen water is supposed to be now instead of limestone
+blocks, like before. I think we're finally going to be able to install
+an ice-maker!
+
+ The fellow that installed it said that within a year, the mineral
+deposits already in the pipes will dissolve, and I believe him for, as I
+said, he's an honest guy and lying's not in him. Also, the lady I
+mentioned before said that's what happened with her system.
+
+ We haven't tried out the soap bit yet, but he said it would cut the
+use of soap for bathing and laundry in half or more. We have really hard
+water here on Timbercreek Ranch--pure and clear and sweet as honey. But
+we've been in a severe drought down here for well over a year and still
+have to use a fibre-type, 5-micron house filter to take out the grit.
+The Trinity aquifer's gone down about eighty feet, and we've been
+getting a lotta grit for the past several months. But there are no
+contaminates or pollution of any kind in the water so far. Still pure as
+God made it.
+
+ But coming from a well sunk in a limestone cavern, you can figure the
+water is going to be hard, clogging up the wire mesh in the house's taps
+and shower heads, turning the water heater into a block of limestone.
+And I don't know what else. Don't even want to think about what's in the
+pipes. But if the conditioning system does what it's supposed to do, the
+pipes will be clean in about a year or so.
+
+ Whatever--I know I'm sure pleased already, the sinks and toilets
+already clearing up. And I've got good ice!
+
+--
+ Bobby H
+ South Texas
+
+ "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said
+I didn't know."
+ --Mark Twain
Warren Wood
The concept is changing the charge on the calcium molecules so they cannot
attract or stick to your pirpes or walls. They are still there but now
they are in solution. They do work very effectively! article
<E0Io2...@empros.com>, ahu...@empros.com wrote:
> In article <328149...@netxpress.com>, Bobby H <b...@netxpress.com> writes:
> |> Does anyone in the group use a magnetic water softener in the home? I
> |> have heard that they work well, but I've mostly heard this from people
> |> who sell them, not from anybody actually using them. From what I
> |> understand, they are ceramic magnets that clamp onto water lines in the
> |> house.
> |>
> |> I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who uses this type of
> |> water conditioner. Thank you.
> |>
>
> If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it ain't
> taking any thing out of the water.
>
> Nuff said. Con game.
Cynthia Kinsland
In article <ozonet-0911...@ip102.lax.primenet.com>,
ozo...@primenet.com (Warren Wood) wrote:
> The concept is changing the charge on the calcium molecules so they cannot
> attract or stick to your pirpes or walls.
So, explain how a magnetic field changes the charge of the calcium
"molecules". First, calcium isn't a molecule. In solution (as in your
water) it is a charged particle (an ion). Uncharged calcium metal won't
exist in water (or, not for very long).
>They are still there but now
> they are in solution.
They always were in solution. If they weren't in solution, you could just
filter them out.
Jim K
> > If it isn't taking any thing out of the pipes (separate drain) it
> > ain't taking any thing out of the water. Nuff said. Con game.
>
>
>
>
> First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
>
> The fellow that installed it said that within a year, the mineral
>
>
> But coming from a well sunk in a limestone cavern, you can figure the
>
Yeah right. I wonder if that's the same type of magnetic material used in
those gadgets that align the molecules in gasoline and double the fuel
economy of your car?
Jim
Doug & Rose Miller
ozo...@primenet.com (Warren Wood) wrote:
+The concept is changing the charge on the calcium molecules so they cannot
+attract or stick to your pirpes or walls. They are still there but now
+they are in solution. They do work very effectively!
This is a lie.
They don't work at all.
Having said that, I'll begin to point out the scientific errors in your post.
It's amazing that you could make so many errors in only 36 words.
1) calcium is an element, not a molecule.
2) magnetic forces cannot change the charge on a calcium atom.
3) calcium does not stick to pipes or walls. Hard water deposits are
caused by calcium carbonate and calcium stearate, not calcium.
4) the calcium is in solution anyway; magnetism cannot change this.
There may be more. But this demonstration of your ignorance of
even the most basic facts of chemistry should be enough to persuade
any thinking individual that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
the3blrs
b...@netxpress.com says...
> Already, only about eight hours later, the brownish ring is
> >disappearing from the bottom of the sinks, and from the waterline in the
> >toilets. Before, my wife and I had to scrub the sinks and toilets with a
> >hard brush and Lime Away every three or four days to keep everything
> >white.
> >
> > First thing I did though, was freeze some ice! Before, the ice trays
> >were filled with frozen goop that looked like cinder blocks and were
> >harder to crack outta the trays than getting the meat out of a Brazil
> >nut. Now? Crystal clear ice cubes, popping out with barely a flick of a
> >wrist. It's like frozen water is supposed to be now instead of limestone
> >blocks, like before. I think we're finally going to be able to install
> >an ice-maker!..
>
R. Kalia replied:
[snip]
> figure out what's possible and what isn't. So presumably posts like these
> help sales. And after all, the 'plug in and use your whole house wiring as
> TV antenna' scam has been going strong for years.
Yes, we really do have to wonder--are the success stories
submitted by the makers/sellers of the devices or are they
for real?
And yes, it sounds scientifically impossible. But somehow it
works, according to this guy. So are we going to keep
poo-pooing it? How about some other people who tried it and
like it? There are lots of people are here who are sick and
tired of hard water. We want a miracle. And if this new
device is the miracle, so be it! Come on, you
risk-takers--tell us about your experience.
Fredrick Rea O'Keefe
Claims of ignoramuses are worthless. Why should anyone want to hear them,
other than for mean spirited amusement? People who want miracles seem to be
unable to think well, rationally, or to accept reality and responsibility.
But, that's just my "experience."
<Big and worthwhile snip>
> R. Kalia replied:
> [snip]
> > figure out what's possible and what isn't. So presumably posts like
these
> > help sales. And after all, the 'plug in and use your whole house
wiring as
> > TV antenna' scam has been going strong for years.
>
> Yes, we really do have to wonder--are the success stories
> submitted by the makers/sellers of the devices or are they
> for real?
An educated, intelligent, rational and sophisticated person does not have
to wonder. The only question needed to be answered is, "Where is your
independent scientific proof?" Only unedited test results from an NRTL
(Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory) such as UL, with the test
protocol verified as being scientifically valid, is acceptable. Claims from
the manufacturer, without substantiation, are so much hype.
One such field is surge suppressors, where the federal gov't. has now
mandated all manufacturers to submit their products to an NRTL for
certification, or forget selling to the gov't. Why? Because of fraudulent
claims, worthless warranties, and a history of extensive failures and
failure to protect equipment. By their own specifications, not one of the
suppressors you can buy in any outlet can pass 10% of the most mild levels
of the new test. They all fail. So, without a scientifically validated
test, universally applied, with test results completely made available,
only a gullible person would accept claims of "miracle" products, like
these magnets, lifetime car polishes, "safely cleans all stains from all
fabrics and surfaces," "lose 30 lbs. in 30 days for $30," etc.
>
> And yes, it sounds scientifically impossible.
Of course! It is.
> But somehow it
> works, according to this guy. So are we going to keep
> poo-pooing it?
Yes, its fun, and even --- educational.
> How about some other people who tried it and
> like it?
See my fist paragraph.
> There are lots of people are here who are sick and
> tired of hard water. We want a miracle. And if this new
> device is the miracle, so be it! Come on, you
> risk-takers--tell us about your experience.
"Get an education, learn to think, and grow up. Adulthood has nothing to do
with age!"
--
Rick O'Keefe, Tampa FL
fred...@gte.net
R. Kalia
In article <3285BA...@mail.sunlink.net>,
the3...@mail.sunlink.net says...
>And yes, it sounds scientifically impossible. But somehow it
>works, according to this guy. So are we going to keep
>poo-pooing it? How about some other people who tried it and
>like it? There are lots of people are here who are sick and
>tired of hard water. We want a miracle. And if this new
>device is the miracle, so be it! Come on, you
>risk-takers--tell us about your experience.
People who think that 'it works according to this guy' is a good argument
for taking it seriously are at best gullible, at worst (deleted). There is
such a thing as controlled scientific testing, conducted in this case by
Consumer Reports; but what you would prefer is testimonials from more
people. (There may well be 10 other people who swear it works. Maybe
100 people. So what? You think 100 people can't be dishonest or
deluded?)
Certainly there can be newly reported phenomena that violate existing
scientific belief. But these phenomena must be confirmed by controlled
experiments. Gushing reports are not an adequate substitute.
If you're looking for miracles, the place to turn to is religion, not mail
order.
Fredrick Rea O'Keefe
Gee, I held several of these magnets in my hands while inspecting them --
maybe that's why my hands now feel "baby butt soft." The calcium in my
blood vessels were re-charged, and, by no longer sticking to the vessel
walls (my pipes), my health has been improved. Hmmm -- maybe this is a cure
for kidney stones, and suchlike. Remember, you first heard it here! I'm
already applying for a patent!!!
What are "molecules" -- small moles? Is this a skin care device?
-----
Warren Wood <ozo...@primenet.com> wrote in article
<ozonet-0911...@ip102.lax.primenet.com>...
> The concept is changing the charge on the calcium molecules so they
cannot
> attract or stick to your pirpes or walls. They are still there but now
> they are in solution. They do work very effectively!
Right -- the magnets "do not work very effectively!"
Fredrick Rea O'Keefe
Further evidence of the success of our educational system in producing, not
assembly line robots, but intelligent, informed, rationally and
scientifically thinking people.
--
Rick O'Keefe, Tampa FL
fred...@gte.net
Member, National Writers Union
Michael R. Erb <e...@baka.com> wrote in article
<erb-ya023080001...@news.clarityconnect.com>...
> Why do so many people have such a difficult time separating fact from
> fantasy? I guess these people are looking for a miracle, the easy
solution,
> or the answer to the impossible to answer question.
>
> Read my lips...If it sounds too good to be true, it is. These types of
> scams feed on people's ignorance and desire to find "the answer".
Sam Goldwasser
> The concept is changing the charge on the calcium molecules so they cannot
> attract or stick to your pirpes or walls. They are still there but now
> they are in solution. They do work very effectively!
Show us a single independent confirmation of your statement that they
work very effectively!!!! As far as I know, all independent tests have
shown them to be worthless.
--- sam
Jon LaBadie
In article <erb-ya023080001...@news.clarityconnect.com>, e...@baka.com (Michael R. Erb) writes:
|>
|> Read my lips...If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
|> Save your money...there is no miracle here, just a scam artist
|> trying to pry you away from your money with incredulous claims that have no
|> scientific basis.
There are probably 50 million households like mine with hard water.
If I thought there was a $300 device with no maintenance and
easy installation to solve that problem I'd be out the door
this moment.
And if it worked I'd be telling all my friends and neighbors.
Yet think about it. Do you know anyone with one of these
pieces of crap? Why can't we find owners on the net?
Oh must be a conspiracy.
--
Jon H. LaBadie j...@jgcomp.com
JG Computing j...@jgcomp.jvnc.net
4455 Province Line Road (609) 252-0159
Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
the3blrs
Jon LaBadie wrote:
>
> In article <erb-ya023080001...@news.clarityconnect.com>, e...@baka.com (Michael R. Erb) writes:
> |>
> |> Read my lips...If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
> [ snip ]
> |> Save your money...there is no miracle here, just a scam artist
> |> trying to pry you away from your money with incredulous claims that have no
> |> scientific basis.
>
> There are probably 50 million households like mine with hard water.
>
> If I thought there was a $300 device with no maintenance and
> easy installation to solve that problem I'd be out the door
> this moment.
>
> And if it worked I'd be telling all my friends and neighbors.
>
> Yet think about it. Do you know anyone with one of these
> pieces of crap? Why can't we find owners on the net?
>
> Oh must be a conspiracy.
>
Like I said, how about you MWC salespeople giving a few free
ones away to skeptics? Let's settle this once and for all!
R. Kalia
In article <328AFB...@mail.sunlink.net>,
the3...@mail.sunlink.net says...
>>
>Like I said, how about you MWC salespeople giving a few free
>ones away to skeptics? Let's settle this once and for all!
Some people never learn. You only give free samples when the resulting
word-of-mouth will lead to people buying more. In this case there will be
no free samples; having to pay for it up front is crucial to the scam.
michael j miller
On 10 Nov 1996 19:30:20 GMT,
"Fredrick Rea O'Keefe" wrote:
>Gee, I held several of these magnets in my hands while inspecting them --
>maybe that's why my hands now feel "baby butt soft." The calcium in my
>blood vessels were re-charged, and, by no longer sticking to the vessel
>walls (my pipes), my health has been improved. Hmmm -- maybe this is a cure
>for kidney stones, and suchlike. Remember, you first heard it here! I'm
>already applying for a patent!!!
ROTFL (PMP).
And it cured my impotence also. And gives us world peace if we just put
a few in various world oceans ...
--M.