What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of
a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it
whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and
other stuff into water.
There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles
into a filter. Water acts as a filter.
The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.
As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum
that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter.
Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not
remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few.
1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well.
No comment on my part.
2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine
mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust
blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable.
This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which
has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot
of suction and air flow.
3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust.
I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our
vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a
HEPA filter.
She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
blown out.
4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
but my spouse is not so sure.
5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented,
which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was
not complete bunk.
We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some
opinions on this stuff.
i
Lessee.
I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air
pollution, but indoor air pollution......
A "cult" vacuum cleaner like a Kirby.
They've been around for ages.
Some people love them. I had a housemate
years ago. She was a professional janitor/
housecleaner and she swore by them. I
couldn't imagine dealing with the water
bowl everytime I'd use it.
Like the Kirby, if you want one, you can
usually pick one up on ebay for about 1/3
the door-to-door price.
> We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 ...
Igiot, he should have sold you some brain. Then you could have figured out
that you made just another posting not belonging to crafts.metalworking.
Nick
By the way, the Grandparents let theirs set for months with water
still in it and next time they went to use it, the motor was rusted
tight. There, some actual metal content!
Paul
When he stopped I turned the mat upside down and ran my old beater rescued
from a dumpster Hoover over the rubber backing. The beater bars were the
only thing doing anything banging the back of the rubber, and when I stopped
and flipped the carpet right side up there was a bunch of dirt that had
migrated out from the nap of the carpet.
I said "Look at all the dirt the Kirby left behind! I don't thing that guy
was a vacuum cleaner salesman long after that.
--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.
"Ignoramus32056" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.32056.invalid> wrote in message
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Anyway, the routine was to start the demo before the homeowner could
say no. They would take a small bag of dirt, throw it on the carpet,
and demonstrate how well the vac picked it up.
My dad, finally ready to go it alone, went into a house in a rural
area while my uncle waited in the car. Too much time had passed so my
uncle went to the door to check how the demo was going. He found my
dad sweeping up the dirt with a broom.
"What's the matter with the vac?" "The vac is fine - this lady's
house has no electricity!"
Ed
I used to see this method used to sell press wash to printers. Wash up the
press with what you're using now. Then we'll wash it up with this
"super-duper" press wash, and you'll see that we got off some ink that your
stuff wouldn't touch.
A similar sales ploy was for a brand of salt that was mined rather than sea
salt. The salesman would start his speial about how the pure salt was taken
from deep in underground mines whereas the sea salt was salt water left in
big ponds to evaporate with all the sea gulls flying over head and all of
the fish guts tainting the flavor of the salt. He then would dip an apple
wedge in his brand of salt and ask the prospect to taste. Salty apple.
Then he would dip another apple wedge into the competitors salt and urge the
prospect to taste. Since the first bite had loaded up the salt receptors in
the prospect's mouth and their mind was filled with the vision of fish guts
and seagull poop the second dose of salt tasted really foul.
<snipped>
>
> "Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job.
> Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order
> to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents.
> He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work
> and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the
> toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit
> after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how
> scams work.
>
There are lots and lots of people who got conned into becoming insurance
salespersons who give up after they made two or three sales to relatives
and found the rest of the world isn't quite as easy to pitch insurance too.
Jeff (Who removed RCM from the "To" address list for this reply. <G>)
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
hee hee hee I heard a story like that in Reader's Digest years ago, and
it's *still* funny. The salesman said if the vac didn't pick it up,
he's eat it, and the housewife said, "Here's a spoon. We don't have
electricity."
I put a hepa filter in a small shop vac. Talk about suck, I'll suck the
nails out of the floor and still suck the water out of her rainbow. Come
to think of it, that may be a good idea. Hook the hoses of 2 vacuum
cleaners together and see which one sucks something from the other.
Clear hose's with smoke in them would be a good test.
We let the sales guy hold the cat while we tried to vaccuum it (He
said the machine was good for reducing the dander,and it WAS his idea.
The cat was not so enthused)
Once the bleeding stopped....
He spent another hour trying to sell us on the machine (Rainbow, too)
We had told him that he was wasting his time, but we were without
other engagements, so offered to let him give his pitch.
At least he was not wasting someone elses time. :-)
Cheers
Trevor Jones
A similar thing happened to a TV dealer in, as I recall, LaCrosse, Wisc.
back in the '50s. An old farmer came into the TV and Appliance store and
watched a TV for a while, but when the salesman tried to sell to him, the
farmer replied, "It won't work at our house." Well, the salesman arranged
for this elaborate demo, complete with trailer-mounted portable antenna,
and, well, you know the rest...
If you want a good vacuum, go down to your friendly local janitorial supply
and buy a commercial vac. You should be able to get a reconditioned one for
a couple hundred bucks. Pick up a couple extra drive belts (you WILL get
something stuck in the beater and burn one up every now and then...) It
will last longer than you will...
Also, part of the plot of an "I Love Lucy" episode.
Also, part of the plot of an "I Love Lucy" episode.
Yes, when this Sears vacuum dies, I will buy something like an Oreck.
i
Agreed, or a secondhand Kirby, back when they were simple and light
(before they succumbed to the disease of gadgetry and power driven this,
that and the other thing.)
If you have allergies etc. then a HEPA filter might be worthwhile,
otherwise probably not. I have to admit that once upon a time (in
college, and unable to find a co-op job for the summer) I took a summer
job selling vacuum cleaners and my experience was much like that of the
guy that admitted to selling Rainbows. It was a good product but way
overpriced and the marketing was very slim shady. The model I'm
thinking of was a squat canister with a conical HEPA filter and it
worked by throwing the dirt out to the side of the canister through
centrifugal force rather than blowing the air directly through the
filter. I can't remember now what it was actually called, or if they're
still around, but I wouldn't recommend buying one simply because of the
cost.
nate
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Typical vacuum salesman. I was recently visited by one. I like to
string salespeople along while having no intention of buying (yes I am
retired and it is an amusement). He demonstrated his machine (don't
recall the name), vacuumed the entire carpet, then demonstrated the
shampoo attachement by doing the carpet, repeat for other
attachements. Then came the hard sell push. I resisted. He started
at $17xx.00 (don't recall exaclty). Resist. After several cycles he
was donw to $7xx.00 and made a 'final offer' that I had to accept
without knowing what it was. No sale.
I found it mighty interesting to see the amount of commission he could
make on one sale.
Harry K
Sounds like you found some deceptive statements and practices.
Doesn't somebody (maybe Hoover) make a much cheaper water-filtered vacuum
cleaner, for those who want to use that kind of filtering?
The Rainbow will pick up plaster dust and trap it in the water if you
add a few drops of dishwashing liquid. I had a friend in SW Ohio that
rebuilt and sold thousands of used vacuum cleaners from his home in the
mid '80s. The Rainbow rarely had a bad motor or damaged impeller. He
would spend a lot of time buffing scratches and other marks out of the
cast aluminum Kirbys. The eurekas all needed new paint, power cords and
lots of new power switches. Most of the Rainbow were missing a wheel on
the dolly, or the hose or power cord were damaged. He cleaned them up,
buffed the plastic case and sold them for half the price of a new
machine. He usually had a six month waiting list.
As for metal content, he would give me 100 or more bad vacuum cleaner
motors at a time. I would break them down and toss parts that were too
far gone, then rebuild as many as I could because he was always looking
for some motor he needed today to complete a sale. He was amazed how
nice the armatures looked, and was convinced that i had an armature
lathe hidden somewhere in my shop. Finally, I showed him how to use a
variable DC power supply and an ink eraser to polish the commutators,
and a modified exacto knife blade to under cut the mica between
segments. I could take a a lot of motors apart to inspect the
impellers, then polish and undercut the armature in under 15 minutes.
Then he would buy them back for $15 or more.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Bissel used to make some of the Oreck's. Don't know if they
still do or not but the Oreck is all about marketing too...
--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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There was an infomercial for Bissell years ago that did that test with a
ball in a clear tube. Naturally, the Bissell won. I don't recall which
was the opposing machine.
I used to LOOOOVE when door-to-door vacuum salespeople would come by to
try to sell us a vacuum cleaner. I would open the door when they
knocked, and all of a sudden their eyes would go round as saucers and
they would say, "Oh, what lovely hardwood floors!" and sort of back off. LOL
"Ignoramus32056" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.32056.invalid> wrote in message
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>I recall someone trying to sell me a Kirby. I gave him an entry mat that
>had a rubber back and a short nap and asked him to take his Kirby and suck
>away until he thought the rug was clean.
>
>When he stopped I turned the mat upside down and ran my old beater rescued
>from a dumpster Hoover over the rubber backing. The beater bars were the
>only thing doing anything banging the back of the rubber, and when I stopped
>and flipped the carpet right side up there was a bunch of dirt that had
>migrated out from the nap of the carpet.
>
>I said "Look at all the dirt the Kirby left behind! I don't thing that guy
>was a vacuum cleaner salesman long after that.
[metalworking group removed]
Someone came to my house a while back and went through the spiel of having
me vacuum using my vacuum, then using his to show how much more it picked
up. What I didn't do then, but should have, was have him go over the same
spot again with his vacuum to see if it picked up even more.
--
charls
Makes the $149 Eureka Smart Boss Vac or whatever it's called look pretty
darn good for the $$...
Rob
A proper test would have done it both ways with equally soiled
carpet: half done with your vacuum first and then the Kirby, hale
done in the opposite order.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
>
>"Ignoramus32056" wrote: (clip) 4. Then there were some demonstrations that
>Rainbow would still pick up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, (clip)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is an old trick. Chances are that ANY vacuum cleaner will pick up SOME
>dust after any other vacuum cleaner. This might be hard to demonstrate with
>your Sears, because the dust goes into a bag, where it is hard to find. But
>I'll bet the demo machine would pick up more dust after itself.
I agree. Any vacuumm could get more dirt after any other vacuum.
I think there is an endless amount of dust in most carpets.
If we could harness this supply and burn it for electricity, we would
solve our oil problem.
It has even bigger ramifications, because it shows that the theory
that matter is neither created nor destroyed is incomplete.
>I've gotten 3 Kirbys for free out of the trash. They work but weigh a
>ton. No Rainbows so far. I like the free Eurekas and Hoovers from the
>trash. You put on a new belt or orient it correctly and a new bag and
>your good to go.
>Karl
>
On of my part time jobs in college was rebuilding these puppies. THe
guy would by up all of the old ones he could find, make the minor
repairs they usually needed, ( more often than not a new impeller, due
to pennies or other metal being sucked in) send the bodies out to be
polished, and slap new plastic trim from Kirby on.
jk
>Have you seen the movie "Secondhand Lions"? The two old guys in the
>movie did the same thing.
>
>I used to LOOOOVE when door-to-door vacuum salespeople would come by to
>try to sell us a vacuum cleaner. I would open the door when they
>knocked, and all of a sudden their eyes would go round as saucers and
>they would say, "Oh, what lovely hardwood floors!" and sort of back off. LOL
Would that work with evangelists?
They offer me a brochure to read, and all I have to say is, "I'm
sorry, I have hardwood floors." What will they use as a comeback
for that?
If they look in or come in, I actually have tile and carpeting, but
that just makes me out a liar. I wouldn't be a good member anyhow.
"Don't you have rugs on them?"
Nope, you have to show them the corpses of animals nailed to the walls etc instead.
>> They offer me a brochure to read, and all I have to say is,
>> "I'm sorry, I have hardwood floors."
>> What will they use as a comeback for that?
> "Don't you have rugs on them?"
If it's a prayer rug in front of the altar,
well, that's a clue.
Of course, you'd have to use a spiritual vacuum to clean those.
--
-- mejeep deMeep ferret!
Probably not,....but having your girlfriend lay nude on the coffee table
surrounded by candles and blank staring at the ceiling..visible from the
front door..and wearing war paint and obviously trying to hide a dagger
behind you as you answer the door..and asking them if they want to come
in for the Sacrifice to Chluthu..generally puts them off their feed.....
The Doors playing "This is the End" on the turntable with the bass
cranked all the way up..was an additional kharma point....
You know..old ladies can really run pretty good if they want to.
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I doubt it. I never had to say a thing. Just tell door-to-door types
you're not interested while you are closing the door. Those of us who
do go around on occasion looking for people who are interested in
finding a church will appreciate it.
Long ago and far away, the mother of a girl I knew asked me to
sit in on a vacuum demonstration. Might have been Kirby. He
did the usual stuff, which we thought pretty amusing.
Then her father got home, just as the salesman was getting to
the "betcha this thing can pick up anything. Find something
for me to show you" bit. Her father said "just a moment",
went into the basement, and came back with a cylinder about
3/4" in diameter, 8" long.
Just as the salesman was moving the hose towards the thing, he
asked "oh, by the way, what is this?".
"Stick of dynamite" was the reply.
The salesman was out of the house within 15 seconds...
--
Chris Lewis,
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
(metalworking group removed due to irrelevancy)
Despite the sales practices, the fact remains that the Rainbow is a pretty
good vacuum, if not particularly frugal. I've had mine since 1978. Had the
motor replaced once (don't EVER leave it for prolonged periods with the tank
filled, due to evaporative corrosion) and recently had the motor and bearings
overhauled due to normal age-related issues. One lives with the minor hassle
of dealing with the tank - I just dump it into an old sieve and toss the crud
into the kitchen trashcan. I have no complaints with the longevity,
reliability, and performance. Obviously paying the door-to-door price is
preposterous. I got mine for something like $300 or $350 as a model closeout
at a retail establishment, which even in 1978 wasn't a horribly shocking sum.
It's an unusual niche product which performs well.
Art
Rainbow built a vacuum that would pick up a bowling ball. The only
problem was that it could also pull carpet off the tack strips. They
had to recall all of them and convert them to their standard motor.
"What may I kill for your god.."
--
pyotr filipivich
"Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD
(A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.)
Well, well, well, petrushka, you just have revealed as a litlle
imaginative & creative little perv! What about developing it into a
short story or making a number for utube? You're gifted, petia...
A lot of people appreciate door-to-door visits from local churches;
otherwise the churches would have stopped making them long ago. It's an
old-fashioned welcome-to-the-community thing. I suppose next you'll want to
get rid of Girl Scout cookie selling.
That's "Quemadmodum gladius..."
> You need show the corpses of vacuum cleaner salesmen hanging on the wall :-)
Nar, MUCH better to nail previous evangelists and their children to the wall.
>>>> Would that work with evangelists?
>>> I doubt it. I never had to say a thing. Just tell door-to-door
>>> types you're not interested while you are closing the door. Those of us who do go around on
>>> occasion looking for people who are interested in finding a church will appreciate it.
>> Put an ad in the yellow pages and leave us alone! Anybody who wants to find a church can easily
>> find one without your help.
> A lot of people appreciate door-to-door visits from local churches;
Fuck all do in fact.
> otherwise the churches would have stopped making them long ago.
Mindlessly silly, just like with any sort of sales fool.
> It's an old-fashioned welcome-to-the-community thing.
Wrong, as always.
> I suppose next you'll want to get rid of Girl Scout cookie selling.
Nar, just fools like you.