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In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson

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Ignoramus32056

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Apr 27, 2007, 12:27:13 PM4/27/07
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We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
"Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of
some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company
called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company
that does not make me very excited)

http://www.rainbowsystem.com/

What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of
a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it
whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and
other stuff into water.

There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles
into a filter. Water acts as a filter.

The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.

As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum
that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter.

Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not
remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few.

1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well.
No comment on my part.

2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine
mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust
blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable.

This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which
has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot
of suction and air flow.

3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust.

I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our
vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a
HEPA filter.

She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
blown out.

4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
but my spouse is not so sure.

5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented,
which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was
not complete bunk.

We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some
opinions on this stuff.

i

yourname

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Apr 27, 2007, 12:45:02 PM4/27/07
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I sold them briefly over 25 years ago. they are a good product that is
overpriced with a scam of a marketing system. I starved for a few weeks
then got a job

Lessee.

I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air
pollution, but indoor air pollution......

Jim Stewart

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Apr 27, 2007, 1:04:22 PM4/27/07
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Ignoramus32056 wrote:
> We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
> "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of
> some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company
> called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company
> that does not make me very excited)

A "cult" vacuum cleaner like a Kirby.
They've been around for ages.

Some people love them. I had a housemate
years ago. She was a professional janitor/
housecleaner and she swore by them. I
couldn't imagine dealing with the water
bowl everytime I'd use it.

Like the Kirby, if you want one, you can
usually pick one up on ebay for about 1/3
the door-to-door price.

Nick Mueller

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Apr 27, 2007, 1:29:58 PM4/27/07
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Ignoramus32056 wrote:

> We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 ...


Igiot, he should have sold you some brain. Then you could have figured out
that you made just another posting not belonging to crafts.metalworking.


Nick

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Apr 27, 2007, 1:54:50 PM4/27/07
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"Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job.
Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order
to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents.
He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work
and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the
toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit
after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how
scams work.

By the way, the Grandparents let theirs set for months with water
still in it and next time they went to use it, the motor was rusted
tight. There, some actual metal content!

Paul

Roger Shoaf

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Apr 27, 2007, 2:20:58 PM4/27/07
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I recall someone trying to sell me a Kirby. I gave him an entry mat that
had a rubber back and a short nap and asked him to take his Kirby and suck
away until he thought the rug was clean.

When he stopped I turned the mat upside down and ran my old beater rescued
from a dumpster Hoover over the rubber backing. The beater bars were the
only thing doing anything banging the back of the rubber, and when I stopped
and flipped the carpet right side up there was a bunch of dirt that had
migrated out from the nap of the carpet.

I said "Look at all the dirt the Kirby left behind! I don't thing that guy
was a vacuum cleaner salesman long after that.

--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.


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ed

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Apr 27, 2007, 2:25:14 PM4/27/07
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True story -
My uncle was a door-to-door vac salesman during the great depression.
My father was out of work and so my uncle offered to train him. This
was in the days when door-to-door salesmen would literally stick their
foot in the doorway to keep the homeowner from slamming the door
shut.

Anyway, the routine was to start the demo before the homeowner could
say no. They would take a small bag of dirt, throw it on the carpet,
and demonstrate how well the vac picked it up.

My dad, finally ready to go it alone, went into a house in a rural
area while my uncle waited in the car. Too much time had passed so my
uncle went to the door to check how the demo was going. He found my
dad sweeping up the dirt with a broom.

"What's the matter with the vac?" "The vac is fine - this lady's
house has no electricity!"

Ed

Leo Lichtman

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Apr 27, 2007, 2:48:34 PM4/27/07
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"Ignoramus32056" wrote: (clip) 4. Then there were some demonstrations that
Rainbow would still pick up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is an old trick. Chances are that ANY vacuum cleaner will pick up SOME
dust after any other vacuum cleaner. This might be hard to demonstrate with
your Sears, because the dust goes into a bag, where it is hard to find. But
I'll bet the demo machine would pick up more dust after itself.

I used to see this method used to sell press wash to printers. Wash up the
press with what you're using now. Then we'll wash it up with this
"super-duper" press wash, and you'll see that we got off some ink that your
stuff wouldn't touch.


Roger Shoaf

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Apr 27, 2007, 3:02:37 PM4/27/07
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"Leo Lichtman" <l.lic...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> I used to see this method used to sell press wash to printers. Wash up
the
> press with what you're using now. Then we'll wash it up with this
> "super-duper" press wash, and you'll see that we got off some ink that
your
> stuff wouldn't touch.
>

A similar sales ploy was for a brand of salt that was mined rather than sea
salt. The salesman would start his speial about how the pure salt was taken
from deep in underground mines whereas the sea salt was salt water left in
big ponds to evaporate with all the sea gulls flying over head and all of
the fish guts tainting the flavor of the salt. He then would dip an apple
wedge in his brand of salt and ask the prospect to taste. Salty apple.
Then he would dip another apple wedge into the competitors salt and urge the
prospect to taste. Since the first bite had loaded up the salt receptors in
the prospect's mouth and their mind was filled with the vision of fish guts
and seagull poop the second dose of salt tasted really foul.

Jeff Wisnia

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Apr 27, 2007, 3:40:30 PM4/27/07
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co_f...@yahoo.com wrote:

<snipped>


>
> "Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job.
> Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order
> to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents.
> He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work
> and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the
> toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit
> after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how
> scams work.
>

There are lots and lots of people who got conned into becoming insurance
salespersons who give up after they made two or three sales to relatives
and found the rest of the world isn't quite as easy to pitch insurance too.

Jeff (Who removed RCM from the "To" address list for this reply. <G>)

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

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Apr 27, 2007, 3:44:42 PM4/27/07
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ed wrote:
> True story -

> "What's the matter with the vac?" "The vac is fine - this lady's
> house has no electricity!"


hee hee hee I heard a story like that in Reader's Digest years ago, and
it's *still* funny. The salesman said if the vac didn't pick it up,
he's eat it, and the housewife said, "Here's a spoon. We don't have
electricity."

Omnipotent

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Apr 27, 2007, 4:07:46 PM4/27/07
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I put a hepa filter in a small shop vac. Talk about suck, I'll suck the
nails out of the floor and still suck the water out of her rainbow. Come
to think of it, that may be a good idea. Hook the hoses of 2 vacuum
cleaners together and see which one sucks something from the other.
Clear hose's with smoke in them would be a good test.

Omnipotent.vcf

David Billington

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Apr 27, 2007, 3:24:11 PM4/27/07
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Didn't Abbot & Costello do that sketch at one time?, not saying it isn't
true, they probably got it from somewhere like the "two Ronnies " in the
UK with the "four candles" sketch, it was based on fact.
http://www.angelfire.com/me/tvcomedy/fourcandles.html

Trevor Jones

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Apr 27, 2007, 7:08:57 PM4/27/07
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We let the sales guy hold the cat while we tried to vaccuum it (He
said the machine was good for reducing the dander,and it WAS his idea.
The cat was not so enthused)

Once the bleeding stopped....

He spent another hour trying to sell us on the machine (Rainbow, too)

We had told him that he was wasting his time, but we were without
other engagements, so offered to let him give his pitch.

At least he was not wasting someone elses time. :-)

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Jerry Foster

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Apr 27, 2007, 8:08:50 PM4/27/07
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"ed" <cascadi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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A similar thing happened to a TV dealer in, as I recall, LaCrosse, Wisc.
back in the '50s. An old farmer came into the TV and Appliance store and
watched a TV for a while, but when the salesman tried to sell to him, the
farmer replied, "It won't work at our house." Well, the salesman arranged
for this elaborate demo, complete with trailer-mounted portable antenna,
and, well, you know the rest...


Jerry Foster

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Apr 27, 2007, 8:13:09 PM4/27/07
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"Ignoramus32056" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.32056.invalid> wrote in message
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If you want a good vacuum, go down to your friendly local janitorial supply
and buy a commercial vac. You should be able to get a reconditioned one for
a couple hundred bucks. Pick up a couple extra drive belts (you WILL get
something stuck in the beater and burn one up every now and then...) It
will last longer than you will...


val189

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Apr 27, 2007, 8:22:34 PM4/27/07
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Also, part of the plot of an "I Love Lucy" episode.

val189

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Apr 27, 2007, 8:22:55 PM4/27/07
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Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:

Also, part of the plot of an "I Love Lucy" episode.

Ignoramus32056

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Apr 27, 2007, 9:01:51 PM4/27/07
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:13:09 -0700, Jerry Foster <jmfoster...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If you want a good vacuum, go down to your friendly local janitorial supply
> and buy a commercial vac. You should be able to get a reconditioned one for
> a couple hundred bucks. Pick up a couple extra drive belts (you WILL get
> something stuck in the beater and burn one up every now and then...) It
> will last longer than you will...
>
>

Yes, when this Sears vacuum dies, I will buy something like an Oreck.

i

Nate Nagel

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Apr 27, 2007, 9:31:50 PM4/27/07
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Agreed, or a secondhand Kirby, back when they were simple and light
(before they succumbed to the disease of gadgetry and power driven this,
that and the other thing.)

If you have allergies etc. then a HEPA filter might be worthwhile,
otherwise probably not. I have to admit that once upon a time (in
college, and unable to find a co-op job for the summer) I took a summer
job selling vacuum cleaners and my experience was much like that of the
guy that admitted to selling Rainbows. It was a good product but way
overpriced and the marketing was very slim shady. The model I'm
thinking of was a squat canister with a conical HEPA filter and it
worked by throwing the dirt out to the side of the canister through
centrifugal force rather than blowing the air directly through the
filter. I can't remember now what it was actually called, or if they're
still around, but I wouldn't recommend buying one simply because of the
cost.

nate

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Harry K

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Apr 27, 2007, 11:02:18 PM4/27/07
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On Apr 27, 9:27 am, Ignoramus32056 <ignoramus32...@NOSPAM.

Typical vacuum salesman. I was recently visited by one. I like to
string salespeople along while having no intention of buying (yes I am
retired and it is an amusement). He demonstrated his machine (don't
recall the name), vacuumed the entire carpet, then demonstrated the
shampoo attachement by doing the carpet, repeat for other
attachements. Then came the hard sell push. I resisted. He started
at $17xx.00 (don't recall exaclty). Resist. After several cycles he
was donw to $7xx.00 and made a 'final offer' that I had to accept
without knowing what it was. No sale.

I found it mighty interesting to see the amount of commission he could
make on one sale.

Harry K

mc

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Apr 28, 2007, 1:52:30 AM4/28/07
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> The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my
> Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from
> the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know
> that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9
> HP, it would trip the breakers all the time.
...

> She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some
> dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put
> back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed
> blown out.
>
> 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick
> up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be
> true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that
> I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so
> but my spouse is not so sure.

Sounds like you found some deceptive statements and practices.

Doesn't somebody (maybe Hoover) make a much cheaper water-filtered vacuum
cleaner, for those who want to use that kind of filtering?


Michael A. Terrell

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Apr 28, 2007, 3:03:52 AM4/28/07
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Ignoramus32056 wrote:
>
> We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000
> "Rainbow cleaning system".


The Rainbow will pick up plaster dust and trap it in the water if you
add a few drops of dishwashing liquid. I had a friend in SW Ohio that
rebuilt and sold thousands of used vacuum cleaners from his home in the
mid '80s. The Rainbow rarely had a bad motor or damaged impeller. He
would spend a lot of time buffing scratches and other marks out of the
cast aluminum Kirbys. The eurekas all needed new paint, power cords and
lots of new power switches. Most of the Rainbow were missing a wheel on
the dolly, or the hose or power cord were damaged. He cleaned them up,
buffed the plastic case and sold them for half the price of a new
machine. He usually had a six month waiting list.

As for metal content, he would give me 100 or more bad vacuum cleaner
motors at a time. I would break them down and toss parts that were too
far gone, then rebuild as many as I could because he was always looking
for some motor he needed today to complete a sale. He was amazed how
nice the armatures looked, and was convinced that i had an armature
lathe hidden somewhere in my shop. Finally, I showed him how to use a
variable DC power supply and an ink eraser to polish the commutators,
and a modified exacto knife blade to under cut the mica between
segments. I could take a a lot of motors apart to inspect the
impellers, then polish and undercut the armature in under 15 minutes.
Then he would buy them back for $15 or more.

--
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

kfvo...@gmail.com

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Apr 28, 2007, 6:26:18 AM4/28/07
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I've gotten 3 Kirbys for free out of the trash. They work but weigh a
ton. No Rainbows so far. I like the free Eurekas and Hoovers from the
trash. You put on a new belt or orient it correctly and a new bag and
your good to go.
Karl

Leon Fisk

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Apr 28, 2007, 2:04:12 PM4/28/07
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:01:51 -0500, Ignoramus32056
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.32056.invalid> wrote:

Bissel used to make some of the Oreck's. Don't know if they
still do or not but the Oreck is all about marketing too...

--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Jeff

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There was an infomercial for Bissell years ago that did that test with a
ball in a clear tube. Naturally, the Bissell won. I don't recall which
was the opposing machine.


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Apr 28, 2007, 6:26:46 PM4/28/07
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Have you seen the movie "Secondhand Lions"? The two old guys in the
movie did the same thing.

I used to LOOOOVE when door-to-door vacuum salespeople would come by to
try to sell us a vacuum cleaner. I would open the door when they
knocked, and all of a sudden their eyes would go round as saucers and
they would say, "Oh, what lovely hardwood floors!" and sort of back off. LOL

Art

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Apr 28, 2007, 10:27:41 PM4/28/07
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Consumer Reports do not rate them well. They are heavy and nothing special
at vacuuuming. Notwithstanding a friend has one and loves it. But it broke
once and repairs are expensive just like the original vacuum.


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Charles Bishop

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Apr 29, 2007, 1:36:57 PM4/29/07
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In article <11776979...@news01.syix.com>, "Roger Shoaf"
<sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:

>I recall someone trying to sell me a Kirby. I gave him an entry mat that
>had a rubber back and a short nap and asked him to take his Kirby and suck
>away until he thought the rug was clean.
>
>When he stopped I turned the mat upside down and ran my old beater rescued
>from a dumpster Hoover over the rubber backing. The beater bars were the
>only thing doing anything banging the back of the rubber, and when I stopped
>and flipped the carpet right side up there was a bunch of dirt that had
>migrated out from the nap of the carpet.
>
>I said "Look at all the dirt the Kirby left behind! I don't thing that guy
>was a vacuum cleaner salesman long after that.

[metalworking group removed]

Someone came to my house a while back and went through the spiel of having
me vacuum using my vacuum, then using his to show how much more it picked
up. What I didn't do then, but should have, was have him go over the same
spot again with his vacuum to see if it picked up even more.

--
charls

trainfan1

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Apr 29, 2007, 2:00:04 PM4/29/07
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Art wrote:
> Consumer Reports do not rate them well. They are heavy and nothing special
> at vacuuuming. Notwithstanding a friend has one and loves it. But it broke
> once and repairs are expensive just like the original vacuum.

Makes the $149 Eureka Smart Boss Vac or whatever it's called look pretty
darn good for the $$...

Rob

Stan Brown

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Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:36:57 -0700 from Charles Bishop
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> Someone came to my house a while back and went through the spiel of having
> me vacuum using my vacuum, then using his to show how much more it picked
> up. What I didn't do then, but should have, was have him go over the same
> spot again with his vacuum to see if it picked up even more.

A proper test would have done it both ways with equally soiled
carpet: half done with your vacuum first and then the Kirby, hale
done in the opposite order.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

mm

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Apr 29, 2007, 3:31:00 PM4/29/07
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:48:34 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
<l.lic...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>"Ignoramus32056" wrote: (clip) 4. Then there were some demonstrations that
>Rainbow would still pick up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, (clip)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is an old trick. Chances are that ANY vacuum cleaner will pick up SOME
>dust after any other vacuum cleaner. This might be hard to demonstrate with
>your Sears, because the dust goes into a bag, where it is hard to find. But
>I'll bet the demo machine would pick up more dust after itself.

I agree. Any vacuumm could get more dirt after any other vacuum.

I think there is an endless amount of dust in most carpets.

If we could harness this supply and burn it for electricity, we would
solve our oil problem.

It has even bigger ramifications, because it shows that the theory
that matter is neither created nor destroyed is incomplete.

jk

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Apr 29, 2007, 5:41:26 PM4/29/07
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"kfvo...@gmail.com" <kfvo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've gotten 3 Kirbys for free out of the trash. They work but weigh a
>ton. No Rainbows so far. I like the free Eurekas and Hoovers from the
>trash. You put on a new belt or orient it correctly and a new bag and
>your good to go.
>Karl
>

On of my part time jobs in college was rebuilding these puppies. THe
guy would by up all of the old ones he could find, make the minor
repairs they usually needed, ( more often than not a new impeller, due
to pennies or other metal being sucked in) send the bodies out to be
polished, and slap new plastic trim from Kirby on.

jk

mm

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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:26:46 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to
reply <mme...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:

>Have you seen the movie "Secondhand Lions"? The two old guys in the
>movie did the same thing.
>
>I used to LOOOOVE when door-to-door vacuum salespeople would come by to
>try to sell us a vacuum cleaner. I would open the door when they
>knocked, and all of a sudden their eyes would go round as saucers and
>they would say, "Oh, what lovely hardwood floors!" and sort of back off. LOL

Would that work with evangelists?

mm

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Apr 29, 2007, 10:53:57 PM4/29/07
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I'm thinking, Who's to say the hardwood floor thing wouldn't work with
evanglists?

They offer me a brochure to read, and all I have to say is, "I'm
sorry, I have hardwood floors." What will they use as a comeback
for that?

If they look in or come in, I actually have tile and carpeting, but
that just makes me out a liar. I wouldn't be a good member anyhow.

mc

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"mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> I'm thinking, Who's to say the hardwood floor thing wouldn't work with
> evanglists?
>
> They offer me a brochure to read, and all I have to say is, "I'm
> sorry, I have hardwood floors." What will they use as a comeback
> for that?

"Don't you have rugs on them?"


Rod Speed

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Apr 29, 2007, 11:53:08 PM4/29/07
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Nope, you have to show them the corpses of animals nailed to the walls etc instead.