Pulte Homes are Garbage!
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An update, I received an email from a lady in Pennsylvania that has the same
complaints as me and said that she wanted to organize a class action
lawsuit. I will be putting up a website soon to tell the real story about
Pulte Homes Garbage Builder.....I will let everyone know ASAP.
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:41:00 -0800 (PST)
From: David Kraut <da...@rocketmail.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: Pulte Homes
To: CarlsoDD <Carl...@peabd.com>
Dane,
We bought a Pulte home because it seemed to get us the most bang for
our buck. However, we realize now why that was....
We and our neighbors have had numerous problems to which we have had
to continually have warranty repairs done. Almost all of us have had
leaks, ours being so severe that Pulte warranty tried but failed to
repair over 5 times and finally an independent contractor determined
what was causing it. Pulte repaired per the contractors request but
their warranty work is so poor that it looks like a 5th grader did it.
Well, lets see....
I have a major crack in my walkway that they won't repair.
We found that the foundation was set uneven so they shimmied one side
of the house with wood strips.
We and all of our neighbors have had major drainage problems that
Pulte refused to fix. We had to spend $2,000 to have that corrected.
My back deck has all kinds of problems!
The large bay window that is the centerpiece of attraction when you
enter our home has a bad leak in the thermopane. The entire window is
clouded and sweats all the time. Pulte dropped off a new unfinished
window but said that they don't cover painting or installation so now
we will have to spend around $1,000 to have that replaced.
We have water pipes leaking in both the family room and kitchen
ceiling that Pulte won't repair....We had them come over to look at it
when we weren't home and they said that they couldn't find a leak! and
now they claim that it's out of warranty!
We have caulk all over that is cracking because we were told that when
they caulked the house it was too cold.
Well, Dane....I could on and on but I have to get to work....
Basically, They hire the cheapest help that they can find to increase
their bottom line. In the end, you get screwed!
I would strongly encourage you to go door to door in an established
Pulte neighborhood and ask them if they are happy.
Feel free to contact me should you need any additional information!
Good Luck!
David Kraut
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---CarlsoDD <Carl...@peabd.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I read your post in misc.consumers.house about Pulte Homes. We've
been looking
> at some Pulte houses in our area (Sf Bay Area) and they look like
pretty good
> quality. I'd be very interested to know what kind of problems you
have been
> having and what the company has done about them.
>
> Thanks,
> Dane Carlson
>
> =======================================================
>
> > Pulte does not back their warranty claims!
> >
> > and they build crap homes......
> >
> > Ask me for details!!!! I unfortunately own one!
> >
> >
> > Pulte Garbage home builder
> >
>
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John R. Cobarruvias
Gentlemen,
Your post on Pulte homes reminds me of my webpage on Ryland Homes.
If you make a webpage, make sure you are posting the truth to avoid legal
stuff, otherwise, go for it!.
And if you do, I'll put a link to it.
See my page and another called "We are mad at Wieland Homes" This is a
class site. Just SUPER! I have a link to it in my site.
http://www.orbitworld.net/johncoby
Email me at john...@orbitworld.net
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Doug Bombard
I agree with the Pulte assessment. I saw one of their $90k homes in
cinco ranch area and their grade beams had no steel rebar in them. Sure
they do come with a 10year warrantee but that may not be enough for this
type of future slab problems. With this type of construction, I'd hate
to see where else they skimp upon.... I know I won't buy one.
Ironically I wonder just how much people realize about shoddy
construction with new homes??? It's ashame to see builders getting away
with such shoddy practices.
Doug
James Virga
It's the law thats lets them get away with it! not us people have to wake up
and realize that Building codes are just minimum requirements and that's all
if you build by those standards you get what u pay for.
Mike Fox
Pulte has been building in my town for over 11 years, at least. I don't
think you can make a consistent statement about Pulte one way or
another. The quality of the homes they build is completely dependent on
the market conditions at the time. When the economy is good and
anything they throw up will sell, they build crap. When the economy is
bad and they have to work harder to sell homes, they build 'em nicer.
I live in a Pulte Home built in 1987, when real estate wasn't doing so
well in my area. It's pretty well-built. Yes, they cut some corners on
the carpet, kitchen appliances, and HVAC system, but those are all thing
you won't notice until you've lived there a while. But the house is
structurally sound and decently built, so we spent about $10K upgrading
the things they cut corners on, and we still got a better value for our
money than many other, "custom" houses.
I've walked through the houses Pulte is building now and there's no
comparison. They are pure crap, through and through. But of course,
anything any builder throws up around here sells, so why should they
try? It's like they're a completely different company. In fact, they
are a completely different company. I had to do some repairs on my
windows, and called Pulte to ask them if they knew where I could get
some replacement parts. Their response was that they didn't have any of
the files. I asked them if someone in their construction department
knew or could remember, and the response was that "no one who works here
has been with us for more than 3 years."
So Pulte is not Pulte is not Pulte. They vary wildly in quality and
personnel.
Mike
Randy Hubbard
Mike Fox wrote:
> Pulte has been building in my town for over 11 years, at least. I don't
> think you can make a consistent statement about Pulte one way or
> another. The quality of the homes they build is completely dependent on
> the market conditions at the time. When the economy is good and
> anything they throw up will sell, they build crap. When the economy is
> bad and they have to work harder to sell homes, they build 'em nicer.
>
> SNIP
>
> I've walked through the houses Pulte is building now and there's no
> comparison. They are pure crap, through and through. But of course,
> anything any builder throws up around here sells, so why should they
> try?
THE ANSWER TO THE ABOVE QUESTION IS: Pulte or any other builder is getting paid
to deliver a specific quality level "product". Defrauding the public by
concealing inferior materials or workmanship until after a person has made the
purchase, is still fraud. THAT is why Pulte or any other builder has an
obligation to provide decent workmanship and a quality home. Now, I'm not saying
a consumer should get more than they are paying for, but they should get at
least what they paid for, and NOT be mislead into thinking they are getting
quality if they are in fact getting crap.
Unfortunately scum builders know consumers are gullible and will believe a lot
of sales hype. This works in the builders favor as there is a lot of hand waving
but few specifics in writing. When a house buyer complains about the poor
quality or workmanship the scum builders just ignore it or pull out their
standard disclaimer contract. At that point most consumer are *stuck* with
whatever the builder has decreed in the contract, and you can bet it is a one
sided contract that favors the builder. A quality builder will be more than
happy to spell everything out in writing BEFORE construction begins because they
do not want misunderstandings to occur. The scum builders are so use to the
disputes it doesn't phase them because they are only in it for the money...
Your views may differ but the Uniform Commercial Code seems to concur with my
sentiments.
> It's like they're a completely different company. In fact, they
> are a completely different company. I had to do some repairs on my
> windows, and called Pulte to ask them if they knew where I could get
> some replacement parts. Their response was that they didn't have any of
> the files. I asked them if someone in their construction department
> knew or could remember, and the response was that "no one who works here
> has been with us for more than 3 years."
>
> So Pulte is not Pulte is not Pulte. They vary wildly in quality and
> personnel.
>
> Mike
>
FWIW, any biz that can't keep employees more than a few years has some serious
operational issues. This should be a *clue* that all is not well... You may be
wise to avoid these types of businesses.
Randy
da...@rocketmail.com
So after reading all the replies to my original message it is apparent that
Pulte is mass producing crap homes and is not concerned with warranty
claims. After I informed their corporate office of my intentions to post
this information to a public web site I suddenly received a call from the
local "Quality Assurance Manager" who politely warned me that Pulte
aggressively goes after anyone who is trying to hurt their business. I told
him that I would not post or say anything that was not 100% fact (which kind
of rained on his parade). He also told me that they were going to send an
expert roofer over to my house to determine the cause of my ongoing roof leak
(that was over a week ago and I still haven't heard a word from anyone). So
the saga continues.
My question at this point is,
After we finally sell this lemon, how do you find a builder that really knows
what the hell they are doing and isn't in it for just the bottom line?
In article <3532110F...@wwnet.net>,
Bob Mades & Tammy Jacobson
da...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> (that was over a week ago and I still haven't heard a word from anyone). So
> the saga continues.
>
I bought a house in a Pulte neighborhood in North Carolina.
I have one neighbor who had a number of problems and could not
get adequate warrantee service. His successful approach:
he went to city hall and got a permit to picket. He then
went to Pulte's current new neighborhood model home on a
Saturday afternoon and picketed. It got instant results
(after the police were called and verified his permit).
Every time their performance starts to drop off, he does
it again.
Bob
da...@rocketmail.com
LOL!
At one point, Pulte made the mistake of putting the model home next to ours!
They move the model with each new phase. That's when I put up my Lemon sign
on my front lawn for everyone to see as they went into the model. Needless
to say I got my warraty items repaired during that time period. I'll keep
your idea in mind!
Thanks!
David
In article <6heeqr$q...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Machelle Simon-Grech
Back in 1978 when my parents bought a Pulte house here in Michigan, it
too was a piece of doggie doo. Out of the huge list of things they did,
the one that sticks with me the most (probably because it's just so
insanly stupid)is that they layed the carpet down over there crushed
beer cans. We just couldn't figure out why there were such lumps in the
carpet until we got them out to pull the carpet up. With all the
mistakes and deceiving they did to the entire neighborhood,they all got
together, sued, won and got Pulte's license revoked in Michigan for at
least 5 years. Now everytime the hubby and I go look at those dream
homes there building and the salesperson comes up and askes
if were interested I start in on "hey Pulte builds these, I wouldn't
buy them if my life depended on them". Had quite a few customers follow
us out and ask about my Pulte experience.
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>So Pulte is not Pulte is not Pulte. They vary wildly
What a lot of people don't realize is that most so-called
"builders" aren't really builders; they're just bean counters
who sit in elegant offices in faraway cities.
Their field offices contract, on a per-bid basis, with local
subcontractors, whoever gives them the lowest bid on a job. I've
personally seen four, five or more different framing contractors,
some little more than kitchen-table-level outfits, erecting frames
on one block, all for the same "builder."
Chances are, the "builder" himself doesn't know which end of the
hammer to hit the nail with. He just contracts out to subcontractors.
If "Bubba's Electric Service" gets the bid, they do your wiring,
simple as that.
You're *generally* better off with a small custom builder that
does 3 or 4 homes a year. He has a lot more at stake, in terms
of protecting his reputation, than some rich fat cat that throws
up 275,000 tract houses a year in the suburbs. The guy who built
my house is of the former type, putting up maybe 6 or 7 houses a
year, max. I was shocked when the builder *himself* showed up on
my front porch, wrench in hand, to fix my leaking commode.
You think John H. Pulte (or whatever his name is) himself is going
to come over with a hammer and saw and "build" your house? Uhhhhh, no.
Ron M.
Peter Bucy
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:14:19 -0600, da...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>So after reading all the replies to my original message it is apparent that
>Pulte is mass producing crap homes and is not concerned with warranty
>claims. After I informed their corporate office of my intentions to post
>this information to a public web site I suddenly received a call from the
>local "Quality Assurance Manager" who politely warned me that Pulte
>aggressively goes after anyone who is trying to hurt their business. I told
>him that I would not post or say anything that was not 100% fact (which kind
>of rained on his parade). He also told me that they were going to send an
>expert roofer over to my house to determine the cause of my ongoing roof leak
>(that was over a week ago and I still haven't heard a word from anyone). So
>the saga continues.
>
>My question at this point is,
>
>After we finally sell this lemon, how do you find a builder that really knows
>what the hell they are doing and isn't in it for just the bottom line?
There are many good builders out there who know how to construct a
great home, but are you willing to pay the price?
The market is driven by the consumer and the people who buy Pulte
homes are not really looking for a quality product. When you buy a
Yugo, do you really expect good construction?
Most consumers are more interested in gingerbread and phony
elevations than they are good construction. They would rather have a
Jacuzzi (tm) than good windows.
You can't have Learjet quality on a Piper Cub budget. Good materials
and workmanship are expensive. Pulte Homes and their ilk use the
cheapest materials and the poorest trained tradesmen that they can get
their hands on. They have the corporate mentality that Ford employed
during the flaming Pinto episode.
Let the buyer beware, pay for junk - expect to live in junk.
Peter A. Bucy - Home Builder
Orlando, Florida & Charlotte, North Carolina
FASTHome.com
Couldn't have said/wrote it better myself.
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Peter Bucy (pet...@earthlink.net) blastphemed:
: You can't have Learjet quality on a Piper Cub budget. Good materials
Not to compare a Piper Cub to a Pulte Home. The Cub is an excellent
product!
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Bill Hale <ha...@fc.hp.com> wrote:
: : You can't have Learjet quality on a Piper Cub budget. Good materials
: Not to compare a Piper Cub to a Pulte Home. The Cub is an excellent
: product!
Both are excellent examples of what one can do with aluminum siding...
Spiros
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