Where to look for crud in this 80's Hotpoint dishwasher?

[Doc]

Photo of the underside of an upside down 80's vintage dishwasher, pump
removed. Everything seems to be running fine but it's been leaving
crud and deposits on the dishes. Apparently a common culprit is debris
caught somewhere but it's not obvious to me where to look on this
model. There's a finned filter on the inside of the machine at the
center of the bottom (the hole on the left of the photo is on the
outgoing side of that filter) but it would only trap fairly large
objects. There's a plate at the back of the intake side of this pump,
visible in the photo. I didn't find much there.

Where else could debris be lurking?

Thanks for all input.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6iRQt85G2dFNTJsTnc0dC1vRVU/edit?usp=sharing

[Ashton Crusher]

On Thu, 9 May 2013 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT), Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

What kind of crud and debris? I had an 18 month old GE that started
leaving black specs on everything. Turned out it was the insides of
the black hoses in the machine deteriorating (after only 18
months!!!). Got GE to cover the cost of the parts but not the labor.

[Doc]

On May 10, 2:59 am, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT), Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> >Photo of the underside of an upside down 80's vintage dishwasher, pump
> >removed. Everything seems to be running fine but it's been leaving
> >crud and deposits on the dishes.
>
>

> What kind of crud and debris?

Similar to what's seen in this video starting at about :22. Leaves
particles, dried soap film. The configuration of my washer is very
different though.


http://youtu.be/FC8Vo_NyXls

[bob haller]

Try running effected washer thru a cleaning cycle of its own:)

buy some CHEAP WHITE vinegar, run machine till it comes to its longest
clean time. so it runs a long time. Add vinegar, ONE GALLON, with hot
water tank set on max hot and heat water setting if the machine has
that option.

this should clean the entire machines insides, check spray arms are
they spraying good?

often they get clogged with crud.

with such a old machine it may be time for a new unit

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 01:22:38 -0700 (PDT), Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

At least the video is starting in the right place-- I doubt you needed
to pull the machine out or turn it over--- though I know the feeling.
It just seems like the right thing to do.

Chances are there is a screen that is clogged-- or an impeller busted.
My whirlpool used to eat an impeller every couple of years and there
was an ungodly amount of crud in there.

Go to http://www.repairclinic.com plug in your model and see how to
get there.

Their parts aren't the cheapest on the web-- but their service is the
best. i support them when I can.

Jim

[willshak]

Chicken bones in a dishwasher?


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[Jim Elbrecht]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:36:02 -0400, willshak <will...@00hvc.rr.com>
wrote:

>On 5/10/2013 4:22 AM, Doc wrote:

-snip-

>> Similar to what's seen in this video starting at about :22. Leaves
>> particles, dried soap film. The configuration of my washer is very
>> different though.
>>
>>
>> http://youtu.be/FC8Vo_NyXls
>>
>
>Chicken bones in a dishwasher?

I didn't watch the video- but my most unusual find was a 1" nail. [And
I must have put it there because nobody else in the house knows how to
open the door to the DW.<g>]

Jim

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm thinking two things. First, maybe too much food on the dishes when they go into the washer. It's a sanitizer, not a washer.

Second, the new dish stuff is phosphate free, and doesn't work any where near as well. We had that thread on AHR, several months ago. The dish makers were pressured to remove phosphates.
.
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[Nate Nagel]

On 05/10/2013 09:06 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I'm thinking two things. First, maybe too much food on the dishes
> when they go into the washer. It's a sanitizer, not a washer.
>
> Second, the new dish stuff is phosphate free, and doesn't work any
> where near as well. We had that thread on AHR, several months ago.
> The dish makers were pressured to remove phosphates. .

I've found that older dishwashers with the single spray arm at the
bottom just don't do a good enough job with the newer detergents, but
the one I'm using now with three spray arms must be better at
mechanically cleaning the goo off the dishes, they actually look
acceptable now.

nate


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[bob haller]

On May 10, 9:06 am, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**NOJUN...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm thinking two things. First, maybe too much food on the dishes when they go into the washer. It's a sanitizer, not a washer.
>
> Second, the new dish stuff is phosphate free, and doesn't work any where near as well. We had that thread on AHR, several months ago. The dish makers were pressured to remove phosphates.
> .
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>    www.lds.org
> .

> ."Doc" <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4e57198d-efbe-47b2...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

>
> Photo of the underside of an upside down 80's vintage dishwasher, pump
> removed. Everything seems to be running fine but it's been leaving
> crud and deposits on the dishes. Apparently a common culprit is debris
> caught somewhere but it's not obvious to me where to look on this
> model. There's a finned filter on the inside of the machine at the
> center of the bottom (the hole on the left of the photo is on the
> outgoing side of that filter) but it would only trap fairly large
> objects. There's a plate at the back of the intake side of this pump,
> visible in the photo. I didn't find much there.
>
> Where else could debris be lurking?
>
> Thanks for all input.
>

> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6iRQt85G2dFNTJsTnc0dC1vRVU/edit?usp=...

add some TSP and run a couple loads, cascade complete cleans much
better than other brands.....

palmolive s dead last as dishwasher detergent....

[tra...@optonline.net]

On May 10, 10:05 am, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> On 05/10/2013 09:06 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking two things. First, maybe too much food on the dishes
> > when they go into the washer. It's a sanitizer, not a washer.
>
> > Second, the new dish stuff is phosphate free, and doesn't work any
> > where near as well. We had that thread on AHR, several months ago.
> > The dish makers were pressured to remove phosphates. .
>
> I've found that older dishwashers with the single spray arm at the
> bottom just don't do a good enough job with the newer detergents, but
> the one I'm using now with three spray arms must be better at
> mechanically cleaning the goo off the dishes, they actually look
> acceptable now.
>
> nate
>

Kind of what I was thinking, ie once you've got a 30
year old dishwasher out and apart, is it worth screwing
around with? The new ones do a much better job of
cleaning. I got a nice new one about 5 years ago that
was an out-of-box one on Ebay for $175. Not only does
it work well, but it's also much quieter than the 80s one
it replaced.

[Nate Nagel]

The flip side to that is that the 30 year old one lasted 30 years; the
new one I don't trust to last half that long.

I sound like a grumpy old man, "everything built these days is CRAP!
When you find a quality product buy it because you know it'll be
discontinued soon for something shittier!" The problem is, I believe
those statements to be mostly true.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 01:22:38 -0700 (PDT), Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

That's similar to what my GE did. They show a Kenmore name on that
one in the Video but it's very possible it was made by GE. I know my
Current Kenmore is made by either Frigidare or Whirlpool and has
worked perfectly for over 10 years. I'll never buy another GE - I
bought it because it was highest rated by Consumers Union. I don't
pay much attention to their ratings anymore either.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:23:08 -0700 (PDT), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
wrote:

Most recently I tried CostCo's little pods of detergent and they seem
to work as good as the best of anything else I've used. And they are
bargain priced. Since using teh Costco I stopped bothering to add the
TSP I had been adding.

[Oren]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:36:02 -0400, willshak <will...@00hvc.rr.com>
wrote:

>>> What kind of crud and debris?
>>
>> Similar to what's seen in this video starting at about :22. Leaves
>> particles, dried soap film. The configuration of my washer is very
>> different though.
>>
>>
>> http://youtu.be/FC8Vo_NyXls
>>
>
>Chicken bones in a dishwasher?

... and broken glass. Something should be obvious about dishes with
missing parts :)

Nicely done video, though. The guy has a couple hundred ...

[hrho...@sbcglobal.net]

> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6iRQt85G2dFNTJsTnc0dC1vRVU/edit?usp=...

Have you defeated the safety door interlock and looked at the machine
while it was running to see if water is actually coming out full force
from the spray arm(s)? If the water isn't coming out full force that
is a pump/plumbing situation. On the other hand, if the spray is
coming out full force, then you may have a timer problem, or a drain
issue where one cycle does not completely drain before refilling for
the next cycle, etc.

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:27:32 -0400, Nate Nagel <njn...@roosters.net>
wrote:

>On 05/10/2013 11:13 AM, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
>> On May 10, 10:05 am, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2013 09:06 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm thinking two things. First, maybe too much food on the dishes
>>>> when they go into the washer. It's a sanitizer, not a washer.
>>>
>>>> Second, the new dish stuff is phosphate free, and doesn't work any
>>>> where near as well. We had that thread on AHR, several months ago.
>>>> The dish makers were pressured to remove phosphates. .
>>>
>>> I've found that older dishwashers with the single spray arm at the
>>> bottom just don't do a good enough job with the newer detergents, but
>>> the one I'm using now with three spray arms must be better at
>>> mechanically cleaning the goo off the dishes, they actually look
>>> acceptable now.
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>>
>> Kind of what I was thinking, ie once you've got a 30
>> year old dishwasher out and apart, is it worth screwing
>> around with? The new ones do a much better job of
>> cleaning. I got a nice new one about 5 years ago that
>> was an out-of-box one on Ebay for $175. Not only does
>> it work well, but it's also much quieter than the 80s one
>> it replaced.
>>
>
>The flip side to that is that the 30 year old one lasted 30 years; the
>new one I don't trust to last half that long.

If it lasts 15years, I'm more than happy. For what they cost now, I
really don't care. Clothes washers only lasting 5years does piss me
off, though. They aren't cheap.

>I sound like a grumpy old man, "everything built these days is CRAP!
>When you find a quality product buy it because you know it'll be
>discontinued soon for something shittier!" The problem is, I believe
>those statements to be mostly true.

No one is willing to pay $5000 for a dishwasher. It's no surprise
that there aren't any in that class available.

[Fat-Dumb and Happy]

TSP I guess it works, I put a little in with the soap when I run the
dishwasher. Doesn't seem to hurt anything. a TSP video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym8DgJyi4f4

[Oren]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 12:40:45 -0400, k...@attt.bizz wrote:

>No one is willing to pay $5000 for a dishwasher. It's no surprise
>that there aren't any in that class available.

I spent more than that on my bride. My reserve dishwasher...

[k...@attt.bizz]

You play starting dishwasher?

[Congoleum Breckenridge]

On 5/9/2013 11:26 PM, Doc wrote:

> Where else could debris be lurking?
>

Scrub the very bottom of the DW door.
Ours had a bunch of buildup down there.