Ceiling fan installation
Brad Vandrasik
light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
replacing and pull up the floor then? If I hired someone to do this,
what should I expect to pay?
Thanks,
Brad Vandrasik
Steve Masticola
>I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
>light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
>this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
>replacing and pull up the floor then?
Well, if you want quick and dirty, you could mount the fan on a joist,
and run surface wiring up to it. Ugly, but it'd work.
- Steve (mast...@scr.siemens.com).
Gary Parilis
>I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
>light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
>this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
>replacing and pull up the floor then? If I hired someone to do this,
>what should I expect to pay?
Quick and dirty:
Get one of those braces that you can attach to joists from below. They
w/ a box attached. Then, if running wires is a hassle, run conduits on
the outside of the wall. An hour or two, and Bam!, you're finished...
- Gary
Don Scott
are sold that are made to mount cieling fans on cielings where
there is no attic access. You cut a small hole in the cieling,
insert the device and screw it into the joist (by expansion).
As far as the wiring, there must already be a source of electricty
for this to work well.
In article <DBx6v...@scr.siemens.com>, mast...@scr.siemens.com (Steve Masticola) says:
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>vand...@macon.com (Brad Vandrasik) writes:
>
>>I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
>>light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
>>this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
>>replacing and pull up the floor then?
>
Steve Masticola
>As far as mounting it, there is a device sold in stores where fans
>are sold that are made to mount cieling fans on cielings where
>there is no attic access. You cut a small hole in the cieling,
>insert the device and screw it into the joist (by expansion).
I tried using this thing... fiddled with it for at least an hour
before I got it to seat right. It has two plates with half-inch
conical teeth that are supposed to bite into the joists near the hole.
If you don't get the plates parallel with the joists, and get all
obstacles out of the way, it won't work. I had both problems (some
disused knob-n-tube wiring was running through the ceiling.)
However, it does hold pretty well once you get it in. I did a chin-up
(or as much of one as I could) from the bar to test it. And, if used
correctly, there's no need to patch the drywall. But make sure you
cut the hole the same distance from both joists, or you will (like
moi) end up having to patch anyway. Use a stud finder to position the
hole.
>As far as the wiring, there must already be a source of electricty
>for this to work well.
Of course, you could still put in the hanger and run conduit over the
wall. But for a Q&D job, why bother? IMHO, one should either do it
right and fish the wire, or do it Q&D and mount both box and wire on
the surface.
- Steve (mast...@scr.siemens.com).
Matt J. Lavoie
chain, some decorative power cord... ceiling hooks... voila! If done
appropriately this can look elegant as opposed to a hack.
- Matt
Steve Epstein
: I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
: light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
: this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
: what should I expect to pay?
: Thanks,
: Brad Vandrasik
What if your wife won't let you do it the ugly way and you need to hide the
wires in a vaulted ceiling? Would I need to pry off the wood that lines the
ceiling. I probably will have to dig through the wall to hide the wire for
power and electrical.
Just thinking about this--this $100 fan will end up costing $200 in extras!
Bruce Lowekamp
Brian McInturff <turf@skinner> wrote:
>Brad Vandrasik (vand...@macon.com) wrote:
>: I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
>: light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
>: this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
They make braces for ceiling fans that can be inserted through a
fixture sized hole in the ceiling. You put the brace up there and
then twist to extend it. (just make sure you get the one rated for
ceiling fans). From that point it's a question of how to get the wire
to it. This may or may not be too hard, but if you're not comfortable
with that sort of thing, you could probably hire an electrician to
pull the wires for you.
Bruce
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Bruce Lowekamp lowe...@cs.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon Computer Science (412)268-7673
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~lowekamp/home.html
George A. White
>Brad Vandrasik (vand...@macon.com) wrote:
>: I need to install a ceiling fan in a room without an electrical box or
>: light fixture in the ceiling. Is there any quick and dirty way to do
>: this, or should I just wait untill the carpet in the room above needs
>: replacing and pull up the floor then? If I hired someone to do this,
>: what should I expect to pay?
>There is now made modular track electrical lines and outlets that
>mount on the surface of walls and ceilings. It sticks up about
>half an inch or more, and would look obtrusive in most homes. You
>can also run a wire from an outlet (or switch in some cases) by
>burrowing a channel into the drywall, laying the wire in it,
>and then patching the drywall. Go by homes under construction
>while they are doing the drywall and ask how much they would
>charge to fix the size channel you would need, if you think
>you could do the electrical work yourself, or vice versa. This
>assumes that you can also match the paint so there won't be
>a stripe where the channel runs.
>turf
Hmmm...you could also hang the ceiling fan conventionally, and run the
power cabling swag-style in a chain to make it look better.
Personally, I'd do it either inside the wall, with the surface raceway
or not at all.
The idea of burying the cable in drywall and patching it over isn't
too safe. In my area (Chicago), all electrical wiring must be encased
in metal conduit for safety. Even in areas where NMC (non-metallic
cable like romex, etc.) is permitted, the cable must be protected by
metal plates (to keep nails from picture hangars, etc from
penetrating) on the studs when it passes close to the surface of the
drywall.
Hope this helps,
George
gwh...@cdw.com