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Pacesetter Story: A Buyer's Guide

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Ima Myself

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May 2, 2003, 11:16:25 PM5/2/03
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Found these stories on a website, and thought I'd share in case they
go away. Most are good reads.

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A Buyer's Guide
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Hi there!!!!

As an ex employee of the Pacesetter Corporation, I am writing this in
hope of getting the truth out to people who truly have an interest in
knowing the truth about Pacesetter.

Pacesetter started in 1962 as a storm window company owned by the
Shraeger Brothers in Omaha Nebraska, and has since grown into one of
the largest home improvement companies in the country. As it is with
all of the larger companies, their overhead makes it impossible for
them to compete price wise with your local companies.

This is the reason that they use their "10 step" sales pitch in the
home, and sign all documents including financial documents at the time
of the sale. they are taught to "warm up" with the potential customer,
to make a freind and to relax them. The salesman should walk the
prospect around the house showing them all of the troubles they have
with their existing product. This is meant to put fear and loss into
the prospects mind. Next is the window demonstration. They have
something the other companies don't have. Next is step six, getting a
commitment from the homeowner to make a decision if "I can do
something really special for you". This is the incentive to do
business the same night. Next they show an incredibly inflated price,
then start the discounts, getting responses after every price drop.
This insures that they will get the most money from their sale, as
they drop, they close. If you say yes early, you spend too much. They
also are taught to close the sale on the first visit, as they know
that if someone takes the time to shop at all, or just make a few
phone calls, they will find that they are outrageously overpaying for
the product. The fact is, most people do not continue to shop after
they have bought, and they will continue to be able to operate in this
manner as long as people are willing to allow themselves to be sold on
the first visit. They also do all of the loan paperwork at the time of
the sale, that way there is no recission for the loan at a later date
then the sales contract recission. I do not feel that the Pacesetter
Corporation acts illegally or in a malicious way, just that they are
aware of what they have to do to sell at the inflated prices they
charge.

Federal Diversified is owned by the same people that own Pacesetter,
and most of the complaints that I used to hear from customers when I
called them was about the collection practices of FDS. So not only
does Pacesetter make money on the product, but the real money and
value is in the portfolio of the lending branch.

Pacesetter does use high tech equipment in its telemarketing
department, with auto dialers, computers, etc., and all is linked to
the main offices in omaha. The company is financially sound, and has
a large overhead to support.

The sales mentality is the same for most companies that do in home
sales for windows and doors. Sales people will sell for what they can
get, not for what is necessarily fair or practical.

Personally, I have stayed in the industry, but found a company that
thinks more like I do and works to give people a fair price and
quality service. Service is not something that is Pacesetters strong
suit, as they are so spread out, it can take weeks for people to get
decent service. In the years I worked for them I heard many
complaints, but to be fair, there were literally hundreds of satisfied
customers as well. If they didn't know any better, then I guess that
is their concern. A few hints for those that wish to get home
improvements done.

1. Always check with your states contactors board for complaints. The
Better Business Bureau will give good reports as long as they get
money. Always check with your contractors board.

2. Do not buy out of impulse. Check to make sure you are getting a
decent deal, and be comfortable with the person that you are dealing
with. Make sure they are licensed to sell in your state (especially
in CA.)

3. Make sure that any company you use is properly insured and bonded.
Make sure all licenses are current.

4. Get referrals that show the work that you want done. Get more than
one. Check them personally, and talk to the person as well. Most
companies will give you their best customers, so you should get
shining examples from these people. If you hear anything bad, you are
either dealing with an idiot, or their best work is less than what you
want for your home.

5. If someone drops their price ridiculously, they are charging too
much or just flat lying. Use common sense, and then ask the salesman,
"why didn't you give me that price in the first place?"

6. Do not sign sales contracts and final loan paperwork on the same
night. If they have the loan paperwork with them (not an application
for funds, but an actual lending contract) then you are probably
paying alot more then you should as Sears, Pacesetter, K-Designs, and
others use this as they know they will not get a second chance.

7. Ask freinds that have had work done that they are happy with. Talk
to their company, and then still check things out. Better safe then
sorry.

Good luck to all, and I hope that this clears up a little bit of
confusion. You can feel free to email me at any time if you have
questions, and I will be happy to reply to you, especially for
questions regarding the Pacesetter Corporation.

P.S. I am not a disgruntled ex employee. Pacesetter always treated me
well, and I was paid fairly with good benefits etc. I know many of
the people mentioned in some of the articles, and can say no one ever
lied or decieved me in any way.

Editor's note: This post has been altered from the original version to
remove the sender's name and e-mail. Also, it was written in all
uppercase letters, so I changed the case for easier readability.
Spelling and grammar have not been corrected.

And for the convenience of those in my home state of California,
here's a link to the California State Contractor's Board
(http://www.cslb.ca.gov/consumers/default.asp).</a>

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> Found these stories on a website,


http://www.pacesettersucks.com/stories-the_unlockables.htm


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I'm a former Pacesetter employee and would like to talk, my name is Mike T.
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