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George V.

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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This beast has pushed me to my limit!

Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.

I was thinking of setting up a food trap that is either laced with some
kind of poison (any ideas as to what would work?), or running a 110V hot
wire through some food I set out to fry the bastard.

There must be someone who has had a similar problem and solved it - what
did you do?

katz...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>,

Since they are nocturnal feeders, setup a battery powered wireless IR motion
sensor to cover the area of the trash. When it senses that he is there an
alarm near you will wake you up. Grab your 12 gauge and have a ball!


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Robert Macy

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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Hmmm...how to answer directly with no address.....

On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, George V. wrote:

> This beast has pushed me to my limit!
>
> Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
> I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
>
> I was thinking of setting up a food trap that is either laced with some
> kind of poison (any ideas as to what would work?), or running a 110V hot
> wire through some food I set out to fry the bastard.
>
> There must be someone who has had a similar problem and solved it - what
> did you do?
>
>

We live in downtown San Jose, CA (near City Hall. you know, wall to wall
concrete buildings) yet we've had families of raccoons live somewhere in
our back yard for over 10 years.

It started years ago when late one night I came home and startled a
raccoon family "grazing" our lawn for slugs. This family had a
particularly precocious juvenile (about the size of a hat) that came up to
me and just looked at me. So I started talking to it and it followed me
all over and watched all that I was doing. The parents kept their
distance, but that little juvenile would run out to see me every time I
went outside (at night).

I feed a stray cat so I added extra cat food for the raccoons who love it.
The little one was getting bigger now but still would wait to have a
little "treat" of catfood, then he'd (?) run around the yard and grab low
hanging branches and swing around playing.

He got so that when I'd drive in he'd come out and stand on his hind legs
as if to say hello, then follow me everywhere! I had to keep the car door
closed or he'd have gotten into it. And the back door!

The next season one night a full grown raccoon brought out three very
small young ones (like wanting to show me his offspring) He came right up
to me and stood up to say hello, so I knew it was my old friend but the
mother stayed further off. The three little ones paraded by one by one as
if for some kind of approval. Yeah I put out some extra cat food. All
that summer they all continued to come out and say hello.

Now with the extra three of them I *really* had to watch all the doors
etc. I'd go out to the car and the three would stand by the back door and
gaze around, like "we're not doin' anything." But the minute I'd turn my
back, they'd proceed to try and get that door open! Then when I'd turn
around they suddenly would again become very nonchalant, like "we're not
doing anything."

Each night when I'd go into the yard they'd all run up and stand to greet
me. Now after eating, they would scurry around the yard playing and would
run and all would swing on the lower branches!

They did pick up a nasty habit of "dogging" my heels when I'd walk.
Wasn't so bad until they learned to reach out and swack at my heels as I
walk which would make my leg cross over and trip me! Don't know where
they got that from but I suspect they may have gone to the same high
school I did. <g>

They never touched my "protected" garbage, only would tear through the
unprotected plastic bags to get at stuff, like egg shells.

But they seem to have kept the lawn slugs down and the rats away which I
appreciate. Plus they've provided me with a source of amusement and
wonderment over the years as their families come and go.

Anyway, thought I'd share this with you.

- Robert -


Sandra Loosemore

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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Before anyone else gets bright ideas about trying to socialize with
raccoons....

Here in the northeast, virtually all raccoons are infected with
rabies. If they bite or scratch you, you can die.

Sure, they look cute and cuddly, but these are not critters you want
to mess with. If I had one that was being a pest around my home, I'd
call in a pro to kill it instead of messing with trying to live-trap
and relocate it myself.

-Sandra

Larry Caldwell

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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Urban residents commonly use a 22 pistol, with a toilet paper roll
stuffed loosely with tissue over the muzzle. It makes a quick and dirty
silencer so the neighbors don't hear you shooting. Try not to hit the
garbage can. A trigger guard mounted laser sight is nice for night
shooting, but that may be more than you want to spend on one raccoon.

-- Larry


In article <362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>, ple...@no.mail says...

Robert Macy

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
to Larry Caldwell

You are correct that is one of the most "quiet" silencers you can make.
But be *CAREFUL* I shot myself in the middle finger holding one over a
pistol barrel as a young lad.

- Robert -

lang...@teleport.com

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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:27:21 -0700, Robert Macy <ma...@california.com>
wrote:

>I feed a stray cat so I added extra cat food for the raccoons who love it.

I'm sure your neighbors appreciate your irresponsible feeding and
attracting of disease-carrying vermin to their neighborhood.

They may provide you a cute show, but you are not helping "nature",
and are perpetuating a civic problem. What do you suppose your city
and county's budgets are for vermin control?
--
Bennet K. Langlotz
lang...@teleport.com

Mark Atanowicz

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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In article <m33e8j2...@localhost.localdomain>
Sandra Loosemore <san...@shore.net> writes:

> Before anyone else gets bright ideas about trying to socialize with
> raccoons....
>
> Here in the northeast, virtually all raccoons are infected with
> rabies. If they bite or scratch you, you can die.

Hmmm, isn't rabies fatal? If "virtually all" racoons were infected,
there wouldn't be any to worry about.

Mark Atanowicz

Kenneth J Grindle

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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Build a little dumpster on wheels with a latch.
No more racoons and skunks feeding on garbage.
Ken 20 Oct 1998, 8:32pm

Porter Lancaster

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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My daughter had the same problem. I live about 10 miles from her and
have a large patch of woods out back so I built a BIG rabbit trap and
set it at her house so far we have caught four and released them in the
woods at my house. Haven't seen nothing of them so far.The conservation
dept. has traps you can borrow if they are not in use try this if you
had rather not hurt them.

rottoa

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98
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Robert Macy's approach I agree with. A tight fitting cover on garbage
cans will keep them out and allow everyone to get along peacefully.
rot...@inforworks.com

Robert Macy wrote:
>
> Hmmm...how to answer directly with no address.....

> We live in downtown San Jose, CA (near City Hall. you know, wall to wall


> concrete buildings) yet we've had families of raccoons live somewhere in
> our back yard for over 10 years.
>
> It started years ago when late one night I came home and startled a
> raccoon family "grazing" our lawn for slugs. This family had a
> particularly precocious juvenile (about the size of a hat) that came up to
> me and just looked at me. So I started talking to it and it followed me
> all over and watched all that I was doing. The parents kept their
> distance, but that little juvenile would run out to see me every time I
> went outside (at night).
>

> I feed a stray cat so I added extra cat food for the raccoons who love it.

jmg

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Sandra Loosemore <san...@shore.net> wrote:

>Here in the northeast, virtually all raccoons are infected with
>rabies. If they bite or scratch you, you can die.

Virtually all?

I was out one day a couple of years ago in a nature preserve near me (i'm in
Connecticut) and overheard a yuppy breeder family say:

Dad Look kids, there's a deer, just like Bambi
Mom (pulling the kids behind her) Stay Away! You'll get deer ticks!

Wish I had my brooklyn bridge brochures with me that day!

J
--
"Yeah, he's my son. But I ain't happy about it! I mean, I had a choice? How did I know he was gonna turn out like this?"

-- Mrs. Boy, May 1996 "NY Times" interview with William J. Buckley

[www.bongoboy.com]

dboultr....@erols.com

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:35:27, ple...@no.mail (George V.) wrote:

> Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
> I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.

There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!! The only reason they
go into the cans is that they can smell the food, not to browse your
old junk mail and toenail clippings.

If you have no other way to dispose of edible garbage, put it out for
them to eat. I'm sure there won't be so much as to attract hoards of
raccoons. One or two will no doubt polish it off. Be sure to wash
food wrappers before putting them in the trash to eliminate the oders.

Sadly, this newsgroup has contributed to some real misinformation
about raccoons. Of course they don't all have rabies, or even a large
percentage of them. Cars are their biggest enemy. They exist in most
suburban neighborhoods and a number of urban ones.

IMHO, the ways you suggest to get rid of them are much worse than your
problem. I know I'd like my neighbors shooting off pistols and
shotguns in the middle of the night and hitting God knows what. We
won't mention that it is illegal.

If you and your neighbors would leave edibles out of the trash, the
raccoons would find a new territory and leave you alone.

Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

Rob A

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Have you tried using bungi cords to keep the lid clamped on?
The cords have to be the right length, they must be REALLY
tight or else the buggers will get the lid off. If you have plastic
cans you can drill holes in the handles to attach the bungi
cord.

George V. <ple...@no.mail> wrote in article
<362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>...


> This beast has pushed me to my limit!
>

Merle Finch

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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We have cats and we've found that the most effective way of keeping raccoons
out of our trash cans is to clean the litter boxes and dump the stuff into the
top of the trash bags. When the raccoons sniff the bags, they smell the kitty
crap and soiled litter and move on to my neighbor's trash cans. In fact, we've
been doing this for 10 years so the raccoons in our neighborhood are trained
and no longer even pull the lids off our cans.

In article <sXnyXDNIUu65-p...@207-172-113-108.s108.tnt5.ann.erols.com>, dboultr....@erols.com writes:
|> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:35:27, ple...@no.mail (George V.) wrote:
|>

|> > Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
|> > I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
|>

|> There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
|> trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!! The only reason they
|> go into the cans is that they can smell the food, not to browse your
|> old junk mail and toenail clippings.
|>
|> If you have no other way to dispose of edible garbage, put it out for
|> them to eat. I'm sure there won't be so much as to attract hoards of
|> raccoons. One or two will no doubt polish it off. Be sure to wash
|> food wrappers before putting them in the trash to eliminate the oders.
|>
|> Sadly, this newsgroup has contributed to some real misinformation
|> about raccoons. Of course they don't all have rabies, or even a large
|> percentage of them. Cars are their biggest enemy. They exist in most
|> suburban neighborhoods and a number of urban ones.
|>
|> IMHO, the ways you suggest to get rid of them are much worse than your
|> problem. I know I'd like my neighbors shooting off pistols and
|> shotguns in the middle of the night and hitting God knows what. We
|> won't mention that it is illegal.
|>
|> If you and your neighbors would leave edibles out of the trash, the
|> raccoons would find a new territory and leave you alone.
|>
|> Doug Boulter
|>
|> To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

--
Merle Finch me...@sas.com SAS Institute Inc,
SAS Campus Dr, Cary NC USA 27513-2414.
Opinions expressed probably never reflect those of SAS Institute Inc.


Harold Souffrant

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:44:39 EDT, rottoa <rot...@inforworks.com> wrote:

>Robert Macy's approach I agree with. A tight fitting cover on garbage
>cans will keep them out and allow everyone to get along peacefully.

Not in my yard it doesn't. They knock the cans over and pry the lids right
off. Even the heavy plastic cans with the snap up locking handles with a
bungee cord across them.

They are smart......

Paul

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On 21 Oct 1998 04:53:29 GMT, dboultr....@erols.com wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:35:27, ple...@no.mail (George V.) wrote:
>
>> Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
>> I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
>
>There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
>trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!!

A simpler solution is to kill the dirty rotten bastards.

How about this for the electrical enthusiasts:

On your rear porch or back yard, put down a 2' or 3' square of sheet metal.
In the center of this, put a block of wood. On the block of wood, put a
hotdog (no bun).

Now, here's the good part. Attach the neutral leg of 110V to the sheet
metal. Take the hot leg of 110V and strip it back the length of the hotdog
and stuff it in. Put it on the block of wood and try to tie it to the
block to add some resistance when they pull at it. This will cause them to
chomp in to the hotdog and hit the wire with their little teeth and ZAP,
ZAP, BUZZ, FRY!!!!

Maybe spraying the sheet metal with a little water will help conductivity a
little better.

I'm not going to start sifting my garbage and setting up 20 different bins
of what I can throw out and how I throw it out. If it's trash, it goes in
the same trash can. SIMPLE. F' the overgrown rodents.

Unknown user

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Popular electronics/mechanics had an article a few years back just about this.

A little circuitry fired a auto coil wired to a metal strip the cans would sit
on. Every second or so a 10KV pulse was sent to the cans. Safer than 110V and
effective. My grandfather used to have a second coil in his car somehow tied
to the frame. At footbal games he would touch the bumper to the metal fence
and hit a button. Sent spectators a-jumpin off the fence.

JB

In article <70ii89$usa$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, katz...@my-dejanews.com says...
>
>In article <362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>,


> ple...@no.mail (George V.) wrote:
>> This beast has pushed me to my limit!
>>

>> Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
>> I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
>>

>> I was thinking of setting up a food trap that is either laced with some
>> kind of poison (any ideas as to what would work?), or running a 110V hot
>> wire through some food I set out to fry the bastard.
>>
>> There must be someone who has had a similar problem and solved it - what
>> did you do?
>>
>

ref

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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In article <3632d7a6...@enews.newsguy.com>, Paul <an...@spam.mail> wrote:
>>There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
>>trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!!
>
>A simpler solution is to kill the dirty rotten bastards.

Isn't this a little extreme? It's just an animal, not Al Capone.

All you need to go is get a live trap like a Hav-a-Hart (or just
make one from a box, with a figure-4 trigger), capture it alive,
then donate it to a local wildlife zoo, or just drive it 20 miles
down the road and turn it loose.

Sigh. Some people. "Dirty rotten bastards." Sad.

R.M.

Jeremy Lee Radosh

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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This guy's just Trolling for responses. Don't gratify him and his small-minded
need for attention. 'nuf said.

Dave Marulli

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Bill Seurer wrote:

> While I agree with your sentiment I have visions of two guys with
> traps catching the same raccoons over and over and releasing them
> near each others house. :-O

There were two (now-deceased) elderly gentleman in my neighborhood
that used to love to tell the story about how they spent an entire
spring performing a trap-and-transport on hundreds of squirrels,
in an effort to rid the neighborhood of the pests. They always ended
the story with "By the end of the summer, every last one of the
bast*rds came back."

We're not sure if they were pulling our collective leg, but we never
questioned whether or not they really belived that it was the same
squirrels that 're-took' the neighborhood!

Paul

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On 21 Oct 1998 12:07:54 -0500, r...@realtime.net (ref) wrote:

>In article <3632d7a6...@enews.newsguy.com>, Paul <an...@spam.mail> wrote:
>>>There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
>>>trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!!
>>
>>A simpler solution is to kill the dirty rotten bastards.
>
>Isn't this a little extreme?

No. Not at all.

>It's just an animal, not Al Capone.

That's right. I wouldn't kill Al Capone.

>All you need to go is get a live trap like a Hav-a-Hart (or just
>make one from a box, with a figure-4 trigger), capture it alive,

Good idea. Then I can hold it underwater until it dies.

Thanks for the tip!

allecenter

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Years ago I watched an evil way to keep racoons away from
metal garbage cans. Set the can on a car inner tube. Borrow or steal a
fence charger for keeping livestock fenced. Connect it to the can
and it's better than TV at night. They will quickly learn to skip your
cans.
John
G.
Rob A wrote in message <01bdfcdb$7bd90720$94138ed1@pc2>...

>Have you tried using bungi cords to keep the lid clamped on?
>The cords have to be the right length, they must be REALLY
>tight or else the buggers will get the lid off. If you have plastic
>cans you can drill holes in the handles to attach the bungi
>cord.
>
>George V. <ple...@no.mail> wrote in article
><362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>...

tw...@pop.omah.uswest.net

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Put out some anti freeze .

George V. wrote:

> This beast has pushed me to my limit!
>
> Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
> I always lose. I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
>

lang...@teleport.com

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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:47:51 -0500, tw...@pop.omah.uswest.net wrote:

>Put out some anti freeze .

Would this appeal equally to cats and squirrels, or should it be
reserved for city use only, if that?

Michael Baugh

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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I prefer to leave the garbage out of the bags when I put it into the can.
Then a sprinkling of alum. Gives them a real pucker, and a desire to go
elsewhere.


Rob A wrote:
>
> Have you tried using bungi cords to keep the lid clamped on?
> The cords have to be the right length, they must be REALLY
> tight or else the buggers will get the lid off. If you have plastic
> cans you can drill holes in the handles to attach the bungi
> cord.
>
> George V. <ple...@no.mail> wrote in article
> <362c9ee3...@enews.newsguy.com>...

Larry Caldwell

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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In article <362E4877...@pop.omah.uswest.net>,
tw...@pop.omah.uswest.net says...

> Put out some anti freeze .

Won't work any more. All antifreeze now has a bitterness agent added,
and it no long tastes like koolaid.

-- Larry

Matt V

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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r...@realtime.net (ref) wrote:

>In article <3632d7a6...@enews.newsguy.com>, Paul <an...@spam.mail> wrote:
>>>There is a very, very simple way to keep the raccoon out of your
>>>trash. DON'T PUT ANY EDIBLE GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!!
>>
>>A simpler solution is to kill the dirty rotten bastards.
>

>Isn't this a little extreme? It's just an animal, not Al Capone.

>
>All you need to go is get a live trap like a Hav-a-Hart (or just
>make one from a box, with a figure-4 trigger), capture it alive,

>then donate it to a local wildlife zoo, or just drive it 20 miles
>down the road and turn it loose.

In MA, it's illegal to relocate a wild animal. It maybe in other
states too. FWIW.

>
>Sigh. Some people. "Dirty rotten bastards." Sad.
>
>R.M.


Matt
___________

-Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?

Matt V

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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ple...@no.mail (George V.) wrote:

>This beast has pushed me to my limit!
>
>Every week it's a contest to see if I can keep him out of my trash cans and
>I always lose.

That's a pretty sad state of affairs when the lowley raccon can
outsmart the human. Try calling the local wildlife commision or
animal control officer to see if they can offer some help/advice.
When I was an ACO, we helped people with problems like that.

>I'm getting tired of cleaning up 1/2 the street afterwards.
>

>I was thinking of setting up a food trap that is either laced with some
>kind of poison (any ideas as to what would work?), or running a 110V hot
>wire through some food I set out to fry the bastard.
>
>There must be someone who has had a similar problem and solved it - what
>did you do?

Try a rag soaked in ammonia or soak the barrels in ammonia if need be.
Consider cleaning up a dead raccoon, who by the way, would loose
bladder control when electrocuted. The smell would be lovely too.

It's hard to take you seriously if you won't even post your address.

The temptation to electrocute this little guy, maybe great, but
consider the consequences:

The "Garage Door Saftey Sensor" group would have a fit, since this is
far more a hazzard than a garage door going down. Talk about
protection devices being needed.

Consider the poison aspect when your neighbors pet accidently roams
into the yard, perhaps their child.


Darwin would laaaaaaugh. . . . .

rob jones

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Mark Atanowicz wrote in message <70j6b1$1540$1...@newsgate.sps.mot.com>...

>In article <m33e8j2...@localhost.localdomain>
>Sandra Loosemore <san...@shore.net> writes:
>
>> Before anyone else gets bright ideas about trying to socialize with
>> raccoons....
>>
>> Here in the northeast, virtually all raccoons are infected with
>> rabies. If they bite or scratch you, you can die.
>
>Hmmm, isn't rabies fatal? If "virtually all" racoons were infected,
>there wouldn't be any to worry about.
>
>Mark Atanowicz
>

Racoons are one of the most prolific carriers of Rabies. An animal may be a
carrier of the disease and be able to transmit it without ever actually
contracting it himself. Racoons are cute to watch but should never be
encouraged. Nature is best left to itself. I don't know what current
treatments for Rabies are available. It used to be a series of shots in the
stomach - quite painful I hear. If you contract the disease and fail to get
treatment you can die.

Rob

katz...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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In article <3632d7a6...@enews.newsguy.com>,
an...@spam.mail (Paul) wrote:
> Now, here's the good part. Attach the neutral leg of 110V to the sheet...
> ZAP, BUZZ, FRY!!!!

220 vac would be more effective. I've handled 110 vac bare-handed without harm
on several occations (not through the mouth mind you, but the critter is going
to feel it as soon as he touches the hot dog since they are full of salt and
very conductive).

Donald Phillipson

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"Rob A" (XnospamX...@inreach.com) writes:

> Have you tried using bungi cords to keep the lid clamped on?
> The cords have to be the right length, they must be REALLY
> tight or else the buggers will get the lid off. If you have plastic
> cans you can drill holes in the handles to attach the bungi cord.

Where plastic garbage cans are common, raccoons
quickly learn they can bite holes in the lid.
(Only metal cans with spring-fit lids are coon-
proof in these latitudes.)

--
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Sandra Loosemore

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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verrochinos...@tiac.net (Matt V) writes:

> >All you need to go is get a live trap like a Hav-a-Hart (or just
> >make one from a box, with a figure-4 trigger), capture it alive,
> >then donate it to a local wildlife zoo, or just drive it 20 miles
> >down the road and turn it loose.
>
> In MA, it's illegal to relocate a wild animal. It maybe in other
> states too. FWIW.

Getting back to the rabies issue, the point of restrictions like this
is to prevent the spread of diseases between different populations
of wild animals.

-Sandra

nigel_...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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Get a hold of a picture of Linda Tripp, naked, and put it in the bait cage.

If it doesn't kill the racoon, at least you'll know it will never breed again.

Regards,

Nigel

Sandra Loosemore

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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"rob jones" <rob....@goawaygoaway.nortel.com> writes:

> Racoons are one of the most prolific carriers of Rabies. An animal may be a
> carrier of the disease and be able to transmit it without ever actually
> contracting it himself. Racoons are cute to watch but should never be
> encouraged. Nature is best left to itself. I don't know what current
> treatments for Rabies are available. It used to be a series of shots in the
> stomach - quite painful I hear. If you contract the disease and fail to get
> treatment you can die.

An infected animal (or human) can take several months to develop the
symptoms of rabies and die, but in the meantime they can still pass it
on to others. It's spread through their saliva. The corpse of an
infected animal can also carry the disease (so if you do shoot a
raccoon, I wouldn't try to skin it or make it into raccoon stew).

Rabies is a disease that destroys your nervous system and brain, and
you eventually go crazy and get convulsions and paralysis, and then
you die. By the time any of the symptoms appear, it's too late to do
anything. Post-exposure rabies shots are not as horrible as they used
to be but it's still a very expensive treatment and you have to get
the shots right away, before the disease has a chance to get into your
nervous system.

People who routinely work with wild or feral animals get pre-exposure
rabies vaccinations, much like the vaccinations that dogs are required
to have in most communities. This is one reason why I think it is
better to have a professional get rid of your raccoon than to try to
trap it yourself.

I learned about rabies the hard way, BTW, when I was bitten by a
semi-feral cat I was trying to rescue. The city health department
required me to have the cat euthanized so they could test it for
rabies. Before that, I hadn't realized that rabies was a serious
problem in this part of the country, but the raccoons have been
spreading it up the coast.

-Sandra

Matt V

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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nigel_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>Get a hold of a picture of Linda Tripp, naked, and put it in the bait cage.

A puking racoon can't eat. It'll starve to death.

>
>If it doesn't kill the racoon, at least you'll know it will never breed again.

If you're gonna cheat, find somebody pretty at least. It's the same
crime, make it worth your while.


>
>Regards,
>
>Nigel
>
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Mark (Remove T to reply)

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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Harold Souffrant wrote:

> Not in my yard it doesn't. They knock the cans over and pry the lids right
> off. Even the heavy plastic cans with the snap up locking handles with a
> bungee cord across them.
>
> They are smart......

You must have some highly desirable garbage!

Mark (Remove T to reply)

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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Yes, but you're not as confused as Nigel, are you?


nigel_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Get a hold of a picture of Linda Tripp, naked, and put it in the bait cage.
>

> If it doesn't kill the racoon, at least you'll know it will never breed again.
>

Jeanne Fouts

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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As has been demonstrated. If you trap or kill the raccoons and do not remove
the source of their food, others will return to continue pestering the homeowner.
The raccoons are looking for food, shelter, and a place to raise kids. If all of
these are removed, there will be no reason for the raccoons to invade.

The problem is that there are many folks in an urban setting that feed their
animals outside and there is lots of ways for them to find food in various
garbage cans. They are smart enough to get into most simple lid arrangements.
You have to be smarter than the raccoon and when they learn your new method
you have to find one that they haven't learned yet.

Jeanne Fouts
Wildlife Rescue, Palo Alto CA

Sean Cunningham

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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I suspect the human intellect is greater than that of a raccoon's. I would
try putting a lock on the trash can...unless that raccoon is the Einstein of
raccoon's, I think this will solve your problem.


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Dave Marulli

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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Harold Souffrant wrote:

> > Not in my yard it doesn't. They knock the cans over and pry
> > the lids right off.

Same situation in Irondequoit (Rochester) NY...

You should see the all the different ways peopl have deviced to
to keep the raccoons and cats from dumping their trash.

Multiple bungee cords, wooden 'sheds' for the cans, wooden racks
with 'arms' that swing over the cans and get secured down. I myself
keep the cans in the garage and put them out on pickup morning.

Robert Macy

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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As I said, I'm in the middle of urban area. I have two buildings here.
On one side is an advertising agency on the other CPA, Consulting firm,
and SW company across the street. So after 6pm nobody's around. And the
weekends this area is practically deserted.

Yes, I do consider furry critters vermin. However, the raccoons haven't
harmed anything and do provide a service - those pesky slugs in the lawn.

When we did have neighbors they'd leave their garbage exposed like beef
ribs from barbecue and we used to have a terrible rat infestation problem.

Now that's vermin! However, they were finally evicted, the raccoons
cleared out the rats. and we have that building. <g>

As far as city or state vermin control that's a joke! When I had pigeons
start roosting around our victorian, they offered *NO* help whatsoever.
Even had the gall to tell me that if the pbirds were a certain type I had
to leave them alone! But Luckily(?) they turned out to be normal pigeons
(feathered rats) and I started taking them out with a home made blow gun
(electrical conduit tube) and nails (tails feathered with a paper cone)

Actually, nothing got rid of them as much as "sticky" traps.

But the help I got from our officials made me want to cut their funding.

- Robert -

On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 lang...@teleport.com wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:27:21 -0700, Robert Macy <ma...@california.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I feed a stray cat so I added extra cat food for the raccoons who love it.
>
> I'm sure your neighbors appreciate your irresponsible feeding and
> attracting of disease-carrying vermin to their neighborhood.
>
> They may provide you a cute show, but you are not helping "nature",
> and are perpetuating a civic problem. What do you suppose your city
> and county's budgets are for vermin control?

Paul

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:14:36 -0700, "Sean Cunningham" <s30...@apsc.com>
wrote:

>I suspect the human intellect is greater than that of a raccoon's. I would
>try putting a lock on the trash can...unless that raccoon is the Einstein of
>raccoon's, I think this will solve your problem.

Yea, but it will cause another one. How does the garbage man get the trash
out of the can now?? Duh.

The whole problem is that when the trash goes out the night before pickup,
it gets knocked over and eaten.

Now - back to the thread. HOW DO YOU KILL THESE PIECES OF CRAP?

Westport Pools, Inc.

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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We would catch them in a trap and take them to a part of town where we don't
much care for the people -- no more raccoons and we can annoy people we
don't much care for

Kenneth J Grindle

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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no@mail (Paul) wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:14:36 -0700, "Sean Cunningham" <s30...@apsc.com>
>wrote:
>
>The whole problem is that when the trash goes out the night before pickup,
>it gets knocked over and eaten.
>
Have you tried putting the trash out in the morning ?

Ken 26 Oct 1998, 2:55pm

Sven

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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Lock the lid with a hasp and a hitch pin or pto pin. If your racoon can
then figure out how to unlatch the lid, then you should put a
combination lock on the frig, cuz nothing is safe.
--
Sven Magnuson
The Expediter
1-800-330-1800 / fax 1-888-330-1888
Please visit our web site http://www.expediter.com

Matt V

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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Sven <theexp...@att.net> wrote:

>Lock the lid with a hasp and a hitch pin or pto pin. If your racoon can
>then figure out how to unlatch the lid, then you should put a
>combination lock on the frig, cuz nothing is safe.

Combination lock nothing, adopt the raccoon and send it to college.

Matt
___________

-Darwinism: Natures way of dealing with idiots.

Ron Bagstad

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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> Now - back to the thread. HOW DO YOU KILL THESE PIECES OF CRAP?
>

The Sharper Image and probably other stores has a motion detector which you
could hang on the garbage can. When motion is detected at a distance, it
sounds like 2 Rottweilers growling. And the closer the motion, the
ferocious they sound.
That might work if you can convince the garbage man you really don't have
any Rottweilers. ;-)

Ron Bagstad

Matt V

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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"Ron Bagstad" <rbag...@uslink.net> wrote:

I've seen similar devices that hook up to your garden hose and they
have sprinkler attached, that would work too.

They're marketed for deer or something.

monicar...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Even if you kill this one racoon, there will always be another to take its
place. No way you can kill them all, so your best bet is to learn to live
with them.

We keep our dog food outside in a can with a lid that snaps down. Got it at
Home Depot. Every now and then it's knocked over, but as long as we fastened
the lid the can stays closed. Racoons won't stick around if they aren't
getting any food. If your raccoon is more persistent than ours, they sell
locking cans where these metal handle things clip the lid on. I'm certain
your garbage man could figure out how to open them on trash day.

Monica

In article <365283f6...@enews.newsguy.com>,


no@mail (Paul) wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:14:36 -0700, "Sean Cunningham" <s30...@apsc.com>
> wrote:
>

> >I suspect the human intellect is greater than that of a raccoon's. I would
> >try putting a lock on the trash can...unless that raccoon is the Einstein of
> >raccoon's, I think this will solve your problem.
>
> Yea, but it will cause another one. How does the garbage man get the trash
> out of the can now?? Duh.
>

> The whole problem is that when the trash goes out the night before pickup,
> it gets knocked over and eaten.
>

> Now - back to the thread. HOW DO YOU KILL THESE PIECES OF CRAP?
>

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James J. Momenee-DuPrie

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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An interesting fact about animal behavior:
If a critter eats something and gets real sick, it'll (usually) starve
to death before it eats it again. You may be able to use some negative
conditioning - say a chocolate cake loaded with X-lax, followed by a batch
of chili loaded with ipecac... If you get 'em oftern enough, they'll either
become *real* picky eaters (and maybe starve), or go somewhere else where
the food doesn't make 'em sick.
Persoanlly, I prefer a .22 (or a good air rifle if you live in the
city).
-JD

Paul

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:31:56 GMT, monicar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>Even if you kill this one racoon, there will always be another to take its
>place. No way you can kill them all, so your best bet is to learn to live
>with them.

That sounds like a challenge. I bet I win.

Mark Armstrong

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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Dave Marulli wrote:
>
>
> Multiple bungee cords, wooden 'sheds' for the cans, wooden racks
> with 'arms' that swing over the cans and get secured down. I myself
> keep the cans in the garage and put them out on pickup morning.
>

I had something, not sure what, chew thru a wooden garage door (the
panels had 1/4" wood inside of them).

I enjoy the squirrels, have some chipmunks live under the house, frogs
in the sump pump, etc but racoons are another story.

We had a large nieghorhood party a couple years ago, 1/2 hour before it
started a large racoon was slowly crawling across the yard, I think it
had rabies (we shot it).

I place a nice pan of anti-freeze in the garbage. It has a nice sweet
taste which animals love (do place it in the garbage, don't want to kill
the nieghbors cat).

This should be evil enough, it is a slow death for the racoon.

I also live in Rochester, NY.

Mark

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