On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 3:18:35 PM UTC-6, ItsJoan NotJoann wrote:
> On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-6, CanopyCo wrote:
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> > On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-6, ItsJoan NotJoann wrote:
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> > > My store, a LARGE chain, sends me amny, many store brand coupons. Lots of large chains do this.
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> > None here do that, and that is why you considering anyone not using coupons to be stupid is, well, just stupid.
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> I never once said that. Show me where I stated a person who does not use coupons is stupid. You said you don't use coupons. But you seem to be proud
> YOU don't.
Proud that I don't?
No, proud that even without them I do still manage to stay below $200 a month with healthy food.
Part of that decision to not use coupons was due to the fact that 99% of the coupons that I see is for name brand idioms and prepared food that I don't use due to both cost as well as making my own food being healthier.
I recall a video that I seen once where a fat lady was managing to not spend any money at all on her food by chancing coupons.
That was all well and good if a person has all day to devote to nothing but chancing coupons, sorting coupons, and running from store to store to look for sales and mark downs to use the coupons on.
And I seen her cart of food.
Not one fresh item or chunk of raw meat.
It was all prepared processed food that is well known to decrease ones health.
That is another reason that I don't do the coupon game.
If one has nothing to spend on food, then yes that is better than eating rocks.
But if one has some money to spend on food, my method will both give you a healthy diet and cost less than $200 a month often for two people.
Regarding your second question.
Feb 7, the first thing you ever posted to me.
Your very first typed line.
You're not as smart as you seem to think you are. Coupons CAN save you money and keep you under $200 per month.
In your opinion you were complimenting my intelligence or trying to say that not using coupons is smart?
And then there is the fact that you insulted me on every fact that I posted as if they were all idiot nonsense.
And that just pointed out how stupid you really are, considering that every fact that I posted was a fact and my method did work to keep my expense down below $200 a month for healthy food.
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> > Possibly I could do all my shopping 50 miles away and get one in the city to start doing that, but that won't work either if saving money is my end goal.
> > When they do send you coupons, do they send you 50 of them so that you can improve the use of the sales like I talked about?
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> You must live out in the boonies if your store offers no coupons or any deals. My store sends me coupons based on my buying habits. I don't buy diapers and baby food nor dog food so no, they don't send me those.
Yes, to improve my quality of life while also improving my ability to live frugally I moved out into the country.
I burn wood for heat, something that many cities will not allow.
I also have livestock and a garden to produce my own food.
Another thing that often isn't well accepted in town.
And my land was both really good farm land and cheep to buy.
Something that is nearly impossible to do real close to any large town, let alone city.
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> > No, just one coupon per item?
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> _Usually_ I can use a coupon for 5 purchases of the same item.
Your coupons are quite different then Oklahoma coupons are.
Ours state right on them that it is for one item only.
I'd have to have 20 coupons for 20 items here.
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> > Do they send you coupons for itoms that they then put on sale?
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> Even if the items is on sale I can still use it.
But does the store send you coupons that are good while there sale is on?
Here it is either one or the other with store coupons.
Even with the regular coupon, it is rare to find a coupon on a item that is also on sale.
The manufacturer of the item usually decides if there item is on sale and they usually make sure that they aren't doing double discount by running a sale and sending out coupons at the same time.
On those rare occasions that you find both, you have found a sale that the store is taking the cut in budget to run.
Take Dr Pepper for a example.
Here it is now $1.49 per 2 ltr bottle.
Dr Pepper ran a sale on it for $1 a bottle.
The stores had no say so on when then the sale started or ended.
And Dr Pepper didn't put out any coupons that I know of that were still good when they started that sale.
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> > No, they expire before the sale starts.
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> Nope. You REALLY need to get out in the world more.
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> > And that is better than buying bulk when on sale?
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> Bulk buying is good if you have the space to store all that stuff and a large family to feed. I do have an upright freezer that is simply bulging. 99% of the stuff is packed in FoodSaver bags and looks like the day I bought it. Sealed tightly and no air penetrating those bags.
I use a smaller chest type freezer so that it takes far less electricity and presently it is full, as is the freezer on my refrigerator.
The stuff in the freezer is still in its freezable store packaging and is reduced to the jars when I bring it into the refrigerator.
It is full of hams, pork loins, boneless skinless chicken breast, sausage, stick sausage, and a few other items that I caught going cheep.
And all of it was less than $2 lb.
For a lot of it, it was less than $1.50 lb.
The stick sausage was actually down to $0.50 lb on sale out when I cleaned out that rack.
> > The math doesn't work.
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> > > > Buying 50 news papers at $2 a paper too get 50 coupons to save 10 cents per coupon isn't saving you anything because of the cost of the news paper.
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> > > Who buys a newspaper to get coupons?
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> > Anyone in Oklahoma using coupons.
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> I'm having a hard believing that NO stores in Oklahoma don't have websites to download coupons.
No stores within 30 miles of me (wall-mart) does, and any coupons that they do have is on prepared items that I never use.
I'd have to buy a printer just to get maybe one or two coupons a year that were actually on something that I would use.
My mom is big on the coupon racket.
She has a room full of boxes of stuff that she will never use, and much of it is stuff that she doesn't even know how to use.
All because she had a coupon on it.
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> > > > And buying a printer and using the web doesn't help me much either.
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> > > Why?
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> > Because the printer and ink take up the savings on the few coupons that would apply to my food buying.
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> As backwards as you are I'm surprised you even have a computer. I don't print off my coupons, they are downloaded to my shopping card. And a printer can be used for many more things others than printing out coupons.
I don't know of any store that does that here, nor have any idea how to do that.
In fact, I have never seen a coupon page that offered that.
Every coupon page that I have ever seen said print the coupon.
No other option.
BTW
How does downloading the coupon to your Safeway card let you buy soup that is on sale at Bobs Grocery?
Bob's doesn't even have a card but they are running a sale, and Safeway is higher with the coupon then Bobs is without it.
How does this let me use a coupon on Bob's sale items?
As far as a printer being useful for other things, it is still a item that I don't need to spend money on as I can do all those other things in other ways.
And I notice that you have went back to insulting when you get shown that you method won't work here.
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> > > > Today they are having a sale on Campbell's mushroom soup and manwitch for $1 a can.
> > > > Those are the only two name brand items that I can think of right off the top of my head that I use regularly.
> > > > Can you come up with a off the web coupon good in Oklahoma for those items before the sale runs out?
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> > > Look at your grocery stores website if they are large enough to have one.
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> > Wall-mart, nope, no coupons on that item.
> > None of the grocery stores that are running the sale also have coupons on the sale item.
> > They don't do that.
> > I don't know of any that do.
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> Mine does.
On those rare occasions, that sale was ran by the store and not the manufacturer.
Here they don't do that very often, because of the coupon making them loose money on that transaction.
They have already decreased the price down to cost, and the coupon makes them loose money.
Your store may be pricing there items higher then you could get them someplace that isn't giving out coupons.
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> > The coupon is a offer to let the holder get the sale price when no sale is on.
> > But they expire before the sale starts.
> > They don't want to give twice that discount.
> > Store coupon or sale, but never both.
> > Your only hope on that gig is to find a store that will match prices.
> > Here that is just wall-mart.
> > 25 miles away, 50 round trip.
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> As I said above, you need to get out more.
I get out to every store within a 35 mile radius.
On top of that I did construction contracting all over the US before I retired so I have seen a lot of thing in a lot of places.
How would going to them more often change anything?
Maybe you should get out more and see how it is in other towns besides yours.
BTW
Where do you live?
I'm in Oklahoma, about half way between Tulsa and Oklahoma City so that I can use both for medical treatment.
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> > I better buy a couple hundred if I'm going to save money doing that (gas prices) instead of just going 5 miles to my usual store that is running the sale.
> > And by the time that I get around to using the last 50, they will be out of date.
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> > Or I could just buy 20 cans while they are half price.
> > That will last me pretty much all year for that item.
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> You need to expand your menu as well.
Why, not enough unhealthy prepared food?
My menu is quite healthy based on what the doctors tell me and what I read here and there.
Lots of fresh vegetables and low salt or chemicals.
Just exactly what do you think I should bring into my menu?
More frozen pizza?
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> > > > I'll be buying 20 cans of each tomorrow.
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> > > Good grief.
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> > You think buying in bulk while the price is cheap is a bad idea?
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> 20 cans is a bit much if you eat that much of that stuff.
How do you figure that?
Those 20 cans will last me 6 months easily.
Could even last a year, depending on how often I want to bake something in that soup.
Often I just fry it all up in olive oil without even putting pepper on it.
When you use fresh food, it all tastes so good that you don't have to put anything on it to get it to taste good.
It already does.
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> > > > And before you start in on the double coupon racket, that isn't here and driving 50 miles to the nearest store that may do that isn't going to save me squat.
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> Once again, I never said anything about double coupons.
Why didn't you.
Do you not know that using stores that double coupons gives you the best use of those coupons?
Are you missing that part of your method?
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> > > I never said anything about double coupons.
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> > That is one of the few ways to actually save money with coupons.
> > You didn't mention it, and I did because I already explored that rout.
> > It didn't work here.
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> > > > While you are at it, look for some coupons on fresh squash, onions, bell peppers, potatoes, and just about any other fresh vegetables that you see in that part of the store.
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> > > I've never seen a n y store or ever heard of a n y store having coupons on fresh vegetables. Those you just have to watch the store ad and catch them on sale.
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> > And yet you say that coupons are better than buying bulk when on sale?
> > I guess I'm expected to both increase the cost of my daily food while decreasing the health value of the food that I eat just so that I can use coupons?
> > No thanks.
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> Manwich and Campbell's Soup is a healthful value?
No, manwich and soup are sauces that I occasionally put on the healthy food to give it a different taste and to make pasta and rice a different taste then it has otherwise.
Those two items are not all that I eat, nor even what I eat once every week.
They are, however, just about the only thing that I do eat that may have a coupon.
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> > I eat like a king (home cooked quality food) on less than most spend on eating like a child (already prepared junk food).
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> I don't think so. The sodium in Campbell's soup is through the roof. The lower salt variety tastes like crap.
However that one can of soup was use over 4, 1 inch thick pork loin chops that were baked at 400F for one hour.
No salt was added.
Then 1/4 of that soup was dipped out of the pot and dumped onto a bowl of rice that has squash, onions, asparagus, bell peppers, broccoli, sugar snap peas, and Brussels sprouts in it and the chop on top.
None of that was salted either.
When looking at 1/4 the salt in one can being the only salt in the meal it suddenly isn't so high anymore.
And that soup meal was not every day.
Once every couple of weeks is pushing it.
75% of my meals have no prepared food in the at all, other than a can of chopped tomatoes now and then.
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> > > > I can cook, so I don't do the prepared crap food that most coupons are for.
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> > > > Much healthier food that way.
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> > > Manwich and Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup are healthy?? (Don't get me wrong, I like Manwich once in a while, too, and o use c.o.m. soup on occasion.)
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> > They are healthy if used properly and occasionally.
> > Those 20 cans of each will last me a year.
> > I use them as a flavoring sauce when baking meat.
> > Then I use that same sauce to flavor the rice that I put under the meat.
> > What is left of the sauce, I use as a soup for a late snack or jar to use on meat again later.
> > The manwitch is used the same way, except that I don't use it as a soup later.
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> Even if you can't shop wisely and cook healthy, please learn to spell MANWICH correctly.
When you start shopping wisely and cooking healthy I'll start looking into my spelling.
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> > > > > Hey ace, check your marked down meat bin if you REALLY want some bargains.
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> > > > I do check those as well.
> > > > However, the best spent money is on the fresh, up to date meat that is just on sale.
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> > > Oh please. Do you think they just ran outside and butchered that cow when they saw you drive into the parking lot or just wrung that chicken's neck? That stuff was processed days or weeks before.
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> > > I guess you've never heard of aged beef?
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> > Beef?
> > Not only is it always tough, but it is also always expensive and full of bones unless it is hamburger.
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> You need to be looking for better quality meat and perhaps it's not as the store you frequent.
You are clearly clueless of what makes quality meat.
I buy the best quality meat, and it isn't from a cow.
Hint, white meat is the healthy meat.
Pork is the other white meat and pork loin is almost 0 fat.
And buying beef at $5 lb isn't more frugal then buying boneless skinless chicken breast at $2 lb.
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> > Pork loin and chicken are never either one when I get them on sale.
> > You get beef for less than $2 lb?
> > Is it green or gray yet when you do?
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> Absolutely not.
I didn't think you could get beef for less than $2 lb.
Spending more just to get beef isn't very frugal.
Occasionally they get hamburger down to $2 lb if you buy 10 lb at a time.
But that is the fat type hamburger, not the lean type.
I use ground chicken or turkey for the ground meat jobs and have far less fat to deal with.
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> > And letting a chunk of meat get pawed by a half dozen unwashed hands while it sets out for days is not particularly appealing to me, even with the rapper.
> > Especially after it starts turning color.
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> My meat is packaged in Styrofoam trays and wrapped in plastic. Yours isn't???? And once it's home it's repackaged into FoodSaver bags. Clean, clean, clean!
Yes, wrapped just like that.
One layer of cellophane, often punctured by the time it was marked down and clearly looking different then the fresh meat.
You are aware of the limitations of leaving meat in the refrigerator, right?
It can't set there forever without spoiling.
The marked down meat is just this side of spoiled.
That is why they marked it down.
Ask the butcher.
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> > And you can find enough of it to supply all your meat at less than $2 lb?
> > Buying on sale does for me.
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> I sure can! You need to take a knowledgeable woman with you to show you how to snag some bargains.
You have shown me that there are no knowledgeable women.
I know how to do math and can tell if something is cheaper or not.
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> > You can butcher a animal and put it right into the freezer and it will last for years.
> > But freeze it and thaw it over and over and you start getting problems.
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> Who is doing that but a dumbass or a clueless man????????????????
See, no knowledgeable woman here.
Talk to the butcher.
I worked at a chicken plant.
You have never in your entire life gotten a chicken that was killed that month out of the meat section of any grocery store.
All of it was frozen at one time or another before you got it to keep it from going bad before it made it to the store.
You actually think that they are butchering chickens only as fast as you eat them?
They have year's worth of chicken in the freezers right now that they bring out every time production starts getting expensive.
Then when productions gets cheaper, they start freezing more chickens again.
That works for beef and pork just as well as it does for chicken.
Now, for the second part.
Freezing, thawing, refreezing, thawing, refreezing again has long been established as a bad health thing to do with meat.
You didn't know that either?
If you buy meat that is not frozen at the time you buy it, you have added at least one more freeze thaw cycle to that chunk of meat because I guarantee that meat was frozen at least once before you got it.
Add to that a chunk of meat that was setting out so long that it is nearly spoiled and now marked down and you really are asking for trouble.
I use marked down meat when I find it cheap enough, but I use it fast instead of freezing it.
I try to get already frozen meat for the storage.
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> > This is not to say that buying expired meat will not save you money.
> > Just that it won't save you money on all the meat that you eat.
> > Buying on sale will.
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> More baloney.
You are saying that you only eat meat that is near its expiration date and never eat fresher meat?
That is what your baloney statement said.
I said that they usually don't have enough nearly spoiled meat marked down cheaper then $2 a lb to supply all ones meat, therefore I buy fresher meat at less than $2 a lb to fill in the gaps.
Your statement apparently indicates that you don't buy fresh meat and eat nothing but nearly spoiled meat.
And you suggest that I should get better quality meat?
:-D
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> > > > Sure, you can buy meat that is hours from being spoiled.
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> > > Again, oh please. Before you post comments that make you look silly and clueless do a bit of research.
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> > I did, that is why you are looking pretty clueless.
> > I checked both health as price routs, and both are showing less value gained when compared to boneless skinless chicken breast or pork loin for less than $2 lb that are both nowhere near there expiration date.
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> Cite your sources.
Google the following line.
How long can meat set in the refrigerator before it goes bad.
Read any of them to find out that the meat cannot set in that meat refrigerator more than a couple of days before it starts going south.
Now, just how cold do you think that chunk of meat on the top of the stack in the meat counter of you store is?
It isn't nearly as cold as one would like it to be.
Now Google the following line.
What is the healthiest meat.
Now, let me know what cite showed beef to be healthier then boneless skinless chicken breast or lean pork loin.
The health qualities of lean white meat as well as the limitations regarding leaving meat unfrozen have both long been established, but apparently you missed that bit of information.
Still looking for that knowledgeable woman.
:-D
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> > That meat is always just about to be tossed.
> > That is why they marked it down in the first place.
> > Ask the butcher what will happen to that chunk of cow if no one buys it today.
> > He will tell you that it will be in the trash in the morning, because it is expired and likely spoiled.
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> No it's not.>
Then why do you think it was changing color and marked down?
You think that they toss all the meat and restock the meat counter every day with meat that was never frozen?
Talk to your butcher so you will know what you are talking about.
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> > Just how long do you think you can leave a piece of meat in the refrigerator before it goes bad?
> > Days, yes, weeks, no.
> > That marked down meat is coming up on the weeks and that is why it got marked down in the first place.
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> My grocer puts meat fresh meat out on Monday, if not sold by Thursday it is marked down. The date is on ALL the packages.
Isn't that 4 days before it was marked down?
That is 5 days if you get it marked down on friday.
Wait until Saturday and you have 6 days.
How long did the cites say that meat can set in the refrigerator before it goes bad?
Here, let me rent you a clue.
http://www.foodsafety.gov/blog/meatinrefrig.html
The cite states that meat kept above 40F grows bacteria fast.
That is about 8 F above frozen.
I'm betting that meat you got wasn't crunchy, so it wasn't even near 40F the entire time it was setting out.
It also states that chicken and all ground meat (like hamburger) left out at 40f or below will last only 1 to 2 days.
Your butcher sold you spoiled hamburger and chicken if he left it out 4 days and then marked it down.
Every day after 2 was bad, and you are buying 5 or 6 day old meat that wasn't even kept at 40F or less?
Your beef was only good for 3 to 5 days, so his 4 day old beef was also shaky.
Just not as nasty as his hamburger and chicken.
Still looking for that knowledgeable woman.
:-D
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> > > > You are either buying bones, fat, grilse, or paying more than $2 a lb.
> > > > With the pork loin and the chicken barest you don't get any of the waste as well as the price.
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> > > How did bones and gristle get into this conversation? Did you fall out of your chair while typing and hit your head?
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> > No, I was just not so stupid that I would think that buying meat never includes bone or grissle.
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> Gristle in my meat.
Is a waste of money.
You didn't know that?
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> > And that will be part of the overall value of the meat.
> > Let me guess, you think that buying a chunk of cow that is 25% bone and 5% fat for $4 lb is more frugal then buying pure lean meat from a chicken or pig for $2 lb.
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> I don't buy cheap meat like you are citing.
Buying expensive cuts of meat is more frugal and saves more money than buying cheaper cuts of meat that also don't have fat or any other waste?
Really?
Still looking for that knowledgeable woman.
:-D
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> > Do you even know the meaning of the word frugal?
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> I certainly do!
Buying the most expensive cuts of meat isn't very frugal.
You aren't saying that you get coupons that let you get the most expensive cuts of meat for less than $2 lb are you?
You have stated that my chicken breast and pork loin are not up to your quality, so you are not being consistent.
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> > > > > > I deal with the 10 lb sales by using freezer jars.
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http://www.amazon.com/Ball-Mason-Jars-Wide-Mouth-Freeze/dp/B001DIZ1NO
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> > > > > Try a FoodSaver system for better control of freezer burn and better use of your freezer space and no worry about dropping a jar and breaking it. Only a clueless man would use jars exclusively for storing food. <eye roll>
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> > > > Only a idiot of any sex would spend as much as 25 cents a bag to save 10 cents a lb on meat.
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> > > You are one of the MOST clueless people to have ever posted on 'how to save money and package food. Where did you get the 25 cent amount?? I buy FoodSaver bags by the rool and create my own. Oh, and those bags are washable and can be used again and again and again and completely airtight.
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> > That roll free?
> > No, it isn't.
> Two 11 feet rolls for $15 and they can be bought cheaper on eBay.
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> > And you never set down and look at how many inches you use per package and done the math to see how much per inch you pay for that plastic bag.
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> > And you reuse that bag forever?
> > Really?
> > It never gets shorter as you cut off the sealed part?
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> Yes, it gets shorter but it is used many times before being tossed.
You didn't show your math, or likely even do it, so I'll do it for you.
Food saver bags off the web are $50 for a 20 foot roll 8 inches wide.
That is $0.40 a inch.
6 inches to store a lb of ground meat.
Likely more, but I'm cutting you slack.
That is $2.40 to store that 1lb of meat.
Just how much was that meat marked down anyway?
I'm betting it wasn't marked down $2.40 a lb, so you lost money.
You cut off at least a inch to open it so you don't have but 6 inches left.
Sealing it again only left you 5 inches of food.
You won't be using that bag again, with only about 2 inches of bag left after sealing it again.
I'll be generous and let you split the cost down from $2.40 a lb to $1.20 lb by using the bag to store two pounds at 1 lb at a time used twice.
Not that you could actually get a second pound in what was left of the bag, but just to humor you.
If the meat was marked down by $1.20 lb, you just broke even with the guy that bought fresh meat at full price, while you eat spoiled meat and think you did good.
My jars are reusable hundreds of times, and brand new they only cost $1.33 each so I can break my jar every time I use one and still be cheaper than your $2.40 first bag.
And my jar didn't get smaller every time I used it, so it just got cheaper as time went on.
Not like your bags that vanished after about two uses.
Still looking for that knowledgeable woman.
:-D
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> > I have jars that are over 10 years old and have been use at least 50 times.
> > How many of your bags have been used 50 times to store 50 different items over the past 10 years?
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> Sveral.
That must have been a 10 foot long bag just to account for the 1 to 2 inches used up in the sealing part.
That or you are a bold faced liar.
Let's see, at $2.40 a inch, that was one hell of a expensive bag.
My jars are only $1.33 each and they last forever if you treat them right.
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> > I open my jar and scrape out some red bell peppers and another jar for my green onions to cook in my egg omelet for breakfast this morning, and then put the jar right back into the freezer without thawing it.
> > I guess you think cutting off the top of that bag and getting them out and then resealing is it better.
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> I freeze PORTIONS in those bags that will be cooked when the bag is opened.
Pretty high priced at 40 cents a inch and a minimum of 4 inches to get a seal on both ends.
My jar only cost $1.33 and can be reused for ever if you take care of it.
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> > You must keep your sealer out and plugged up all the time to do that.
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> Nope.
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> > Or you are just talking out your ass.
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> Talking from experience
Not accurately.
Experienced liar?
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> > > > Those bags are not reusable without risk, they cost every time you use them, are not better then the jars for freezer burn, and they don't do anything better then the jars other then let me be super clumsy and just throw my food around.
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> > > Ever heard of soap and water??
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> > > Baloney. Once again you are commenting on something you have NO knowledge of whatsoever.
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> > No, I am showing just how clueless you really are on the subject.
> > You have not shown anything to support your belief that your freezer bags are better than the freezer jars.
> > All you do is talk shit.
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> Ever notice your grocer uses a vacuum sealer for many of their products? OOPS, sorry, you live in a one horse town that doesn't have up to date markets.
Ever notice that everything that he sold you was packaged in disposable packaging?
He would be using the jars if he planned to reuse the packaging.
Disposable packing is commonly more frugal then reusable packaging?
Really?
Oh, and none of that meat on Styrofoam trays with cellophane wrapping was shrink wrapped.
That is only the thick plastic wrapped meat that is shrink wrapped.