mild chlorine solution.
leave door open when not inuse.
Chlorine is the only practical way to kill the mold. Unfortunately,
it can adversely affect the rubber seal. Do start with a weak solution
- perhaps 5% solution of 5% chlorine.
Increase the strength, only if needed so as to minimize damage to the seal.
Don't use chlorine (bleach) if the washing machine has a GRP
(glass reinforced resin/plastic) outer drum, as it will make
it brittle and liable to crack. (Or at least, keep it well
clear of the plastic.)
Don't know what AEG parts cost, but spare parts like the
door seal are very cheap for Hotpoint machines, and I would
consider replacing it.
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I used HCl based patio cleaner for this, it was very effective.
However it needs to be brushed repeatedly to work, and of course you
cant do a wash cycle with HCl.
A boiling hot wash should kill any mould. LEave the door ajar and hot
wash monthly to prevent recurrence. You might also need to demould the
soap dispensing area.
NT
Actually, removing what it's living on (which is a residue deposited
on the surfaces) is the only way to get rid of it long-term. Chlorine
will temporarily kill it, but there's a food source still there and
very like a high concentration of spores from other areas in the
machine, and it will inevitably reinfect unless residue food source
is removed. Chlorine is useless at cleaning things, but it's good at
making dirt invisible;-)
> we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to
> have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there
> any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks.
After 10 years, you will soon need to replace the door gasket
(if available.) After removing the old one you can clean thoroughly
(with chlorine) the groove that secures the gasket.
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Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to
wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by
the manufacturer.
Use bleach, keep door open when not in use.
Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach
in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you
fractured plastic parts.
Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based.
(Note, I'm answering for UK/Europe as two of the newsgroups the OP
included are uk-based. Soap powders used in the US are completely
different from the washing detergents used in Europe, and machines
have completely different washing cycles for the two products.)
And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
this machine, buy that one.
The light grey seal may be permanently STAINED, so even killing the mold
with bleach may not remove the stain. Use the bleach to kill mold
and then keep the door ajar slightly so that it dries between uses.
what country are you in?
NT
The seal will be permanently stained. Every time I have come across this
problem, the cause of the mould has usually been washing regularly at cool
temperatures.
>Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach
>in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you
>fractured plastic parts.
>Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based.
[ ... ]
In the US of A, most washing machines have built-in dispensers for
chlorine bleach. Only the absolute cheapest models give directions
for when and how much to manually add.
The OP could have been a bit clearer about his location. In any case,
I concur with the recommendation to replace the seal; if it's growing
mold, it's probably decomposing and will fail soon in any case. Much
better to replace it when it's convenient, rather than after the floor
gets flooded.
Gary
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If you do a google for "front loader smell" you will find lots of
discussion about problems of mold, odor, etc unique to front loaders.
And contrary to what one would think, if you have an odor problem
related to this, isn't easy to solve. I've seen lots of posts from
people that have used bleach, vinegar, hot water, etc. In some
cases, that works. In others it only helps a bit, or not at all.
Lots of people had done everything they could think of, replace door
seals, run hot clean cycle numerous times with bleach, etc and they
still could not get rid of the smell.
From what I can gather from people who seem to know what they are
talking about, one thing that has made it worse now is the elimination
of phosphates in detergent. It also may depend on what the local
water contains, climate, etc. Some of the recommendations culled from
a lot of the people who had success in dealing with mold/odor:
Always leave the door open after use
Use only HE detergent, many said switching to Tide helped
Don't use softener. Apparently softener builds up a waxy residue over
time inside the washer that won't come out and mold grows on.
Run aafresh in it periodically, like once a month. (This is a tablet
designed to run by itself with hot water to clean it)
>And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
>machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
>THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
>no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
>It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
>this machine, buy that one.
Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine
everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge
top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder
then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to
within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into
submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times
the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from
sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade
deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and
powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage
using significantly less energy and water.
Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
at a UK university.
Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies
might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :)
--
>On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:43:11 -0800 (PST), ransley
><Mark_R...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
>>machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
>>THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
>>no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
>>It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
>>this machine, buy that one.
>>
>>
>
>Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine
>everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge
>top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder
>then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to
>within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into
>submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
>deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
>
>
Are you living in a cartoon? 176F outside temperature and boiling
water in a washing machine with a two hour wash cycle?
>This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times
>the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from
>sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade
>deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and
>powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage
>using significantly less energy and water.
>
>Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
>at a UK university.
>
>
He made those time / temperature claims? What a wacko.
US and Europe have completely different washing machine technologies
(I use washing machines on both sides of the atlantic). It's not just
the machines, but the wash programs, the plumbing, the mains supply,
and the soap/detergents are all part of the system, and completely
different.
Europe used to use US style washers, but moved away from vertical
axis drums about 50 years as newer better products appeared on
the market. 30 years ago, the economy of the wash started to get
important, and since then, the European horizontal axis drums
(which were already much more efficient than the earlier vertical
axis drums they replaced) have become very much more efficient.
US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but
you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, as you
can't buy detergent for it (and US soap power won't work in it),
and you can't get enough power out of the mains outlet to power it.
You have been able buy to horizontal axis drum machines in the US
for a while now, but they can't operate like European machines,
for the same reasons.
For any US readers wondering what's so different about European
washers, they mostly now only use cold water supplies, and they
use very much less water. The washing detergents are all designed
for relatively cold washes. Even if you want to do a hot wash,
you must start with a cool wash as a number of the detergent
clensing ingredients are destroyed above certain temperatures,
and won't get a chance to operate on their target dirt if you
expose them to hot water from the start. Max initial temperature
is 30C (86F), and a normal wash is achievable at 35C (95F) max.
If you want to do a higher temperature wash, then the washer
must do what's called a profiled temperature wash from 30C (86F)
to 50C (122F) whereby it increases the temperature slowly over
this range to allow the components of detergent to operature at
their working temperatures. Once you get to 50C (122F), if you
still want to go higher, that can then be done quickly. With a
good detergent (and not one of the eco-crap ones), it's very
rarely necessary to wash everyday items above 35C (95F) anyway.
So European washing machines don't need a hot water supply, but
they are all about 2.5kW, which is well over what can be drawn
from a US outlet. They actually don't use much energy (the heater
is operated only very briefly because the water content is so
little), and they could easily be made to operate at a lower
power, but that's not necessary anywhere in Europe. They won't
work with US soap powder, and it's not necessary to use bleach
in the wash with European washine detergents (so the washers
can use plastic parts which are damaged by bleach, as mentioned
earlier up the thread, and hence most explicitly forbid the use
of bleach). IME, European machines have very much more effective
spin drying cycles -- it was something that became a competitve
marketing feature about 20 years ago.
Contrary to the comments made by Mike above, the low temperature
profiled wash takes a bit longer than a US wash, but does
produce less wear in fabrics. Some machines can be set to do a
fast (less economic) wash if you need to (mine has a 30 minute
program for this purpose).
>Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
>at a UK university.
You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US
routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen.
Might explain the state of education in the UK...
>Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies
>might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :)
Most people using non-disposable diapers here purchase a used maching
which is used only for the diapers, then sold once the child is out of
diapers.
> In article <2l6ph4pvf77e8lssd...@4ax.com>,
> Mike <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > [ ... ] Then they tumble dry the washing into
> >submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
> >deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
> [ ... ]
>
> >Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
> >at a UK university.
>
> You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US
> routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen.
Making a lot out of a typo, aren't you?
> Might explain the state of education in the UK...
Don't get me started on US education....but we could start with the mad
Zero Tolerance system (e.g. the student punished for having a miniature
baseball bat in his car - yes, a trophy awarded by that very school...)
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>On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:26:01 UTC, ghe...@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <2l6ph4pvf77e8lssd...@4ax.com>,
>>Mike <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>[ ... ] Then they tumble dry the washing into
>>>submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
>>>deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
>>>
>>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>>
>>
>>>Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
>>>at a UK university.
>>>
>>>
>>You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US
>>routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen.
>>
>>
>
>Making a lot out of a typo, aren't you?
>
>
>
I suppose the "heat it to boiling for a couple of hours" claim was also
a typo?
The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the
other front loading machines sold in the US use. And it's not hard
to find, Tide is one common brand. I would also not assume that the
Bosch's sold in the US are the same, or even similar to those sold in
Europe.
> > So European washing machines don't need a hot water supply, but
> > they are all about 2.5kW, which is well over what can be drawn
> > from a US outlet.
>
> ^
> 110V
>
> A lot of US houses have 220V, too, especially for domestic appliances.
>
> > IME, European machines have very much more effective
> > spin drying cycles
>
> IME, European washing machines are superior in every respect to American ones.
> And as for a stacked tumble drier on top of a top-loading washing machine... I
> nearly peed myself laughing the first time I saw one.
>
> --
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> [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
What an ignoramus.
>
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Well, actually yes, there are lots of front loaders being sold. If
you got away from watching cartoons and went to any appliance store
you would see that the stores are full of them.
Living in NJ USA, (and I've previously criticized in another thread, the
wonderfully expensive Maytag Neptune for stinking mold if you don't
leave the door open) but you Brits/Europeons (Ha!) forget that 80-90F
heat comes with 90-100% humidity, so, hang your clothes out for a few
days, they won't dry, something will eat them, or make a home in them
and they will smell. I first learned this lesson in Singapore, 99%
humidity does NOT dry clothes, so, you have to use a dryer. The answer
to smelly washers is to run them on 240V and put a freakin heater in
them, jeez theres a heater in the dishwasher, (Which fills from hot,
unlike the UK) can't the Yanks figure out putting a heater in a washing
machine without the Bosch showing them how to do it? Of course a US
washing machine will happily accept a V8 engine through the door which
is nice, but means there is a lot more water in there.
And exactly who's wrong here about what? Let's recap. Someone
posted:
"you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US,"
To which you replied:
">> W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US
now, although as
>> you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch
>> don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it
>> fixed if it fails. "
That makes the false implication that because Bosch's washers are
being sold in the US, that they are a European type front loader
machine, in some way identical to the features, voltages, cycles, etc
of the European machines being discussed in this thread. For
example, in this thread it was claimed that European machines don't
need a hot water connection because they do any heating themselves.
I can assure you that the front loaders sold here do require a hot
water connection, just as any washer would. Just because they are
Bosch doesn't mean that besides being front loaders they are European
machines. In fact, they are made for the US market and are similar to
ALL THE OTHER FRONT LOADERS SOLD HERE.
And the HE type detergent that ALL the manufacturers of front loaders
being sold in the US recommend, including Bosch, is widely
available. Tide HE is but one common example that you can find in
just about any supermarket. You're dead wrong on that one.
And then after I posted:
> The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the
> other front loading machines sold in the US use.
Your reply was:
"And there are shitloads of those, right? "
As another poster pointed out, from Maytag's website, 6 of the 15
washers they sell here are front loaders. Take a look at a common
retailer, BestBuy's website.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0910001&type=category
They have 23 top loaders and 73 FRONT LOADERS as line items. Front
loader manufacturers are Whirlpool, LG, Frigidaire, Maytag, GE,
Samsung, Electrolux, and Kitchenaid. And given the price delta,
which do you think they push and sell? Walk into the store and the
front loaders are prominently featured, the top loaders are in the
back.
So, living in the UK, stop making an ass of yourself about that which
you don't know. Perhaps using rumours as if they were fact is your
major malfunction.
It does have hot and cold fill - but that seems unrelated to the
machine's electrical spec. (I.e. at that rating, a fairly decent
internal heating element is quite feasible.)
If you go to the WFMC8440UC model, you get:
Internal Water Heater
An internal heating element heats the water to up to 170 F while a
digital temperature sensor continually monitors the water temperature.
Bosch Nexxt washers deliver the most efficient and accurate water
heating method for each selected fabric type.
(Though that is a 110-120V model with just 1350W rating.)
LOL. Forget all the above drivel. Do you still want to claim:
Claim: Bosch front loaders sold in the USA are somehow different
"European type" front loaders and make it sound like they are somehow
unique and one of the only machines of that type available?
Fact: They have features similar to ALL THE OTHER WIDELY AVAILABLE
FRONT LOADERS being sold be virtually every washing machine
manufacturer selling products in the USA: Maytag, Whirpool, LG,
Samsung, Kenmore, Frigidare, GE, etc.
Claim: Runours about Bosch service being poor.
Fact: Instead of posting about rumours, if you don't have any factual
data or experience, only an idiot would cite rumours as advice.
Claim: Front loaders aren't common here.
Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of
these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been
in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you
look at the Bestbuy link?
Claim: HE detergent for front loaders is hard to find in the US.
Fact: The shelves in any supermarket, discount store, wholesale club
are full of them. Tide, Gain, All, Cheer, House brands, probably 8
or more different ones to choose from in any reasonable store.
So, what kind of moron are you?
No comment on the other assertions but I looked out of interest and
Frigidaire were offering one top loader and about twenty front loaders,
which would seem to indicate correct rather than incorrect!
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